Kyrie Irving

Lauren Jackson then daylight. It's a non contest, played all over the world was always the best.

It's no contest Kyrie Irving
Born
March 23, 1992 (age 27)
Melbourne, Australia

NBA champion (2016)
6× NBA All-Star (2013-2015, 2017–2019)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Second Team (2019)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)

Irving might be born in Melbourne but he's not Australian, as noted above check out what Jackson has achieved, it’s a no brainer.

Greg Hire

Zac Delaney

Irving might be born in Melbourne but he's not Australian, as noted above check out what Jackson has achieved, it's a no brainer.

NBA, Cleveland Cavaliers celebrating Australia Day as Aussie playing contingent grows
AM BY NORTH AMERICA CORRESPONDENT MICHAEL VINCENT

"To celebrate Australia Day really means a lot to me and my family and hopefully a lot of people back home in Australia," Cleveland's Australian point guard, Matthew Dellavedova, said at the announcement.
Alongside Dellavedova on court is number two Kyrie Irving, who was born in Melbourne and has dual US-Australian citizenship.
"I haven't been back [to Australia] for the last two years, but I'm doing everything possible to get back," said Irving, whose father, Drederick, played in the NBL for the Bulleen Boomers.

"Probably the best experience of my life, if not the best was going back and being able to experience Australia with my dad."

Is Greg Norman Australian?
Errol Flynn
Flea from the red hot chilli peppers
The list goes on and on

LJ was very good in the women’s bb possibly the best woman bb player ever.
How far would LJ have made it in the NBA?

Kyrie best male
LJ best female

Jackson. Easy.

Phil Smyth

If Irving really wanted to be Australian he would've played for Australia. It’s nice that he wants to come back for a holiday but he’s American.

Jackson it is.

If Irving really wanted to be Australian he would've played for Australia. It's nice that he wants to come back for a holiday but he’s American.


Is it about the best boomers player or the Australian player?
Is Kendall Stephens an Australian or an American?

ESPN 2017

Australia ranks third on NBA player list
The NBA told AAP it compiled its list based on birthplace, although it includes the New Zealand-born, Australian-raised key member of the Boomers Aron Baynes as an Australian.

Australia's NBA players are: Ben Simmons (Philadelphia 76ers); Andrew Bogut (Los Angeles Lakers); Patty Mills (San Antonio Spurs); Joe Ingles (Utah Jazz); Dante Exum (Utah Jazz); Matthew Dellavedova (Milwaukee Bucks); Baynes (Boston Celtics); Maker (Milwaukee Bucks); Mathiang (Charlotte Hornets); Irving (Boston Celtics).

The NBA announced 108 international players from a record 42 countries and territories are on opening-night rosters for the 2017-18 season.

NBAOLYMPICSBy Matt Lichtenstadteron August 10, 2016
Four years ago, Kyrie Irving was incredibly close to representing Australia at international level. At the time, it seemed that breaking into Team USA would be incredibly difficult, considering everyone that was ahead of him. Irving was born in Melbourne, meaning that he’d be immediately eligible to represent the Boomers, as they’re called. But someone changed his mind.

Here are some of his quotes from then:

"It was a great opportunity and 2016 is a while away, that’s all I’m going to say," Irving said at the time.

“It would have been great to go play with guys like Andrew (Bogut), if he was healthy, and Patty (Mills) in London.

“I’d like to be part of the culture here, do something special for Australian basketball.”

In a separate interview, Irving said: “I’m Aussie born and I consider myself an Aussie.”

This is from Kyrie Irving himself

In a separate interview, Irving said: "I'm Aussie born and I consider myself an Aussie."

Best Australian bb player
Kyrie Irving male
LJ female

He doesn't consider himself Australian, he plays for the USA. No matter what you say he says, he’s American.

I think to be classed as an Australian you would play for Australia, Jackson played for Australia.

Will the dickhead obsessed with Irving just shut the fuck up.
Don't hear kiwis claiming Aron Baynes even though he was born there.
Steve Nash was born in South Africa but he is one of Canada's best players.

Will the dickhead obsessed with Irving just shut the fuck up.
Don't hear kiwis claiming Aron Baynes even though he was born there.
Steve Nash was born in South Africa but he is one of Canada's best players.

Calm down you don't have get upset mate it’s just a debate about

Best Australian Basketball player of all time
Not the best boomer of all time

No one wants to play for nz


No matter what you say he says, he’s American.
What?



In a separate interview, Irving said: "I’m Aussie born and I consider myself an Aussie."

Is Kendall Stephens Australian or Americans?

on the kyrie topic, honestly if he did not want to play for australia, we should not try to claim him, if hes not proud enough to wear our colours and represent our country, then he shouldnt be argued to be "Australian" or "Australias greatest basketball player"

on the kyrie topic, honestly if he did not want to play for australia, we should not try to claim him, if hes not proud enough to wear our colours and represent our country, then he shouldnt be argued to be "Australian" or "Australias greatest basketball player"

It's not about the boomers
It’s about the Best Australian Basketball player of all time

The National Basketball Association's first overall pick is the player who is selected first among all eligible draftees by a team during the annual National Basketball Association (NBA) draft.
Andrew Bogut (Australia) in 2005, Kyrie Irving (Australia) in 2011, Anthony Bennett (Canada) in 2013, Andrew Wiggins (Canada) in 2014, Ben Simmons (Australia) in 2016,

The NBA recognises he is an Australian
He thinks he is Australian

Kyrie Irving isn't in the conversation. If you play for Team USA, you're out.


Best Australian Basketball player of all time
Not the best boomer of all time
Shouldn't matter if he plays for Afghanistan he was born in straya mate he’s a true blue Aussie

This is from his mouth
In a separate interview, Irving said: "I’m Aussie born and I consider myself an Aussie."

I’d rather play for gold than maybe 4th place how about you?

Thank you AngusH, if you take the male and female out of it, Jackson has won more championships and mvp awards. That's how it should be looked at, and those thinking that in her prime she would be just an nbl 1 men’s level have no idea.
Bogut and Longley up there as well and locally Gaze to.

It was the London games when Kyrie was looking to play for Australia and he was 19
He was talked out of that with the promise of playing for the USA evidence backed
Same thing could of happened to Simmons

I can see many of personal opinions deciding if he is Australian or not but the evidence backed or facts are
He was born in Melbourne fact
NBA recognises he was number 1 draft pick from Melbourne Australia. Fact
He is a duel citizen Australian and American. Fact
He him self considers him self an Australian. Fact
And when he is finished in the nba he is coming to play in Australia. Fact

From an interview
Irving, to his credit, says that he will play in Australia when his NBA career ends, owing a debt of gratitude to the country where he was born.

He's Aussie mate Fact

Fact is that you just posted a load of horse shit. Fact fact.

Fact is that you just posted a load of horse shit. Fact fact.

And that's your opinion and based on non fact
All my information comes from interviews and media reports. Fact


And how about Kendall Stephens is he Australian or American?

seriously......

How can he be considered aussie, he has never represented us at any level anywhere. FACT

He was born Melbourne that's a fact
It doesn’t matter if plays for Australia or not
It happens in other sports. NRL World Cup how many players where born in Lebanon? I don’t think any where but they still had a team.and you wouldn’t say there not Aussies just because they played for another country. we didn’t abandon them.
It sounds like you have a bruised ego because he chose a different team to what you would of liked. F?
When he’s retires from the nba he will play in the NBL as a non import as an Australian

CU

Lmao you are kidding. Jackson at her peak would have been a star even against men.

Gaze then daylight.

best Australian team ever
Gaze
Simmons
Ingles
Delly
Bogut

Bench

Maher
Mills
Broekoff
Cadee
Longley

:) Cadee

Didn't know Simmons was actually Australian.

Looks a bit like an American and seems to be demonstrating the accompanying values.

Jackson is the best female player but not the best overall. She would get destroyed in men's leagues so I can't see how she can be our greatest basketballer.

I know people will say she wasn't allowed to participate in men's comps but it doesn't take much imagination to know she wouldn't do that well.

Ultimately ladies basketball is of a lower standard than men's. I understand genetics are in play but well that's life. Should I discount LeBron James from discussions about great players because he is more athletically gifted. Guess what, we are talking about an athletic game, it matters!

Does "best" basketballer mean who is winning a 1v1 comp? Or most skilful overall?

LJ is more skilful than Bogut. Just because she played against women (apparently playing against other elite women doesn't mean shit to half of you) doesn’t mean she is instantly less skilful than bogut.

LJ is the best basketballer we’ve ever had. Just because she couldn’t beat a NBL1 level bloke doesn’t mean anything.

She’s done the most.

Point is LJ would eat an nbl1 player, it's all opinions but her list of achievement is better than all.

Saying LJ is the best because she's achieved a lot in women's basketball is like saying a legend in the state league is better than the national league.

It's a lower standard!

Dont include women, thats just silly.

Simmons is already better then Bogut, already best player we have seen.
Gaze 2nd.

Women's standard being lower than men’s standard means nothing.

LJ did what she did against other elite women.

"LJ was the best female player in the world and achieved the most she could in the competitions she was able to compete in. "

I like how people use "in the competitions she was able to compete in" like the only thing holding her back from dominating men's competitions were the rules that didn't allow her to play.

" It's basically saying that the titles and medals earned by Margaret Court, Susie O'Neill, Dawn Fraser, Cathy Freeman, etc etc, didn't matter BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T MEN. FFS!!"

No one is saying they didn't matter, it just doesn't stack up as an argument as to why she is better than the great male players.

I could stack up a list of amazing accomplishments at my local rec centre but no one would consider me as the Aussie GOAT because they'd say the standard of competition isn't high.

It is a similar rationale for me why you can't consider LJ to be better than Gaze or Ben Simmons.

"(I don't go for the view that the NBA is a better competition than the FIBA World Cup or Olympics, sorry. Any competition which is open to the best players in the world MUST be stronger than one which is based around superior athletes from mainly one country.)"

The NBA is a very global league these days mate. It is very open to international players and teams have scouting all around the world. If you're good enough, you can play in the NBA, it doesn't matter which country you're from

Calm down Perthworld,do everyone a favour and follow your own advice by keeping quiet.

Well "Perthworld" the OP should have specified best Male.
If you have a partner or Children you should spend time with them and not your keyboard.

The opp said best Australian basketball player, while it's a matter of opinions, LJ clearly has the best credentials.

TIMMS is right up there.

Timms, Jackson, Taylor, Bogut, Gaze.

Perthworld, you sexist bruh?

Perthworld wrecks another thread I'm surprised said no one ever.

Got a horrible feeling GWB is back.

"Lots of anons and PW pushing their mysoginist strawmen arguments."

Look, I love that women play the game and play it well.

But I have to apply common sense. Men are stronger and more athletic. They are better at basketball than women, and by some margin.

It is possible that a female player could have the most unbelievable skill level that it overcomes the physical disadvantage, but that hasn't come close to happening yet. At the end of the day basketball is a very dynamic game so athleticism plays a huge part.

So being able to dunk is more important than countless individual awards. I shouldn't be surprised Hoops feels this way.

"So being able to dunk is more important than countless individual awards. "

I've found that people when struggling to come up with rational arguments just make up words that others said

"So being able to dunk is more important than countless individual awards."

When it comes to awards it depends on the standard of competition associated with the awards.

If someone won 5 NBA MVPs, all things being equal, you would rate their achievements higher than someone who won 5 NBL MVPs, because the standard of the NBA is higher.

A woman playing at the highest level they can play is playing at the same level that a man playing at the highest level can play.

No one:

Hoops: Men are better at sport so it is impossible that a woman could have a better career than any man.

Fucking hell. If a wheelchair basketballer played 10 years in whatever the top level of wheelchair basketball is, won 10 championships, 10 MVPs and two gold medals, they couldn't be the best basketballer we’ve produced simply because their legs don’t work? Ben Simmons with his two popularity contest appearances has the better career?

Andrew Gazes 130 minute NBA career is better than Lauren Jackson's WNBA career despite her winning two championships, three MVPs, 7 all stars, DPOY, three scoring awards, because he played in the same league as Jordan.

the word male beeñ added by the OP Perthworld and the anon trolls might have been quiet

OP wrote about junior careers. Not sure what that has to do with playing NBA.

"Fucking hell. If a wheelchair basketballer played 10 years in whatever the top level of wheelchair basketball is, won 10 championships, 10 MVPs and two gold medals, they couldn't be the best basketballer we've produced simply because their legs don’t work?"

In short, yes. If you put this player on the same court as Lauren Jackson and started a game of basketball, I think Jackson would be far more effective in contributing to her team winning the game.

It doesn't mean wheelchair players shouldn't be admired and can't have a great career though.

ME and Perthworld take your sexist and misogynistic views elsewhere

OP said best career. Yet is talking about Boguts one NBA ring and youth achievements. Much better career than LJ though.

As with a lot of these arguments, there are so many ways to define "best" that you end up going around in circles.

Even saying best "career" - what does that mean? Individual awards? Team success? Money made?

Go away Perthworld you crass piece of shit

what did you say you crass piece of shit?

There is a difference between acknowledging facts and being crass and discussing or referring to appendage size etc etc. Either talk about actually things that are relevant to the OP and basketball or go away. No one is really interested in the other garbage.

^idiot