Pretty good write up actually, hard to disagree with anything.

You're an easy marker, wish you were my high school teacher!

South have no promising juniors and they won't be able to recruit anyone because this years recruits are leaving

Swap Riewer and Teys.

Brendan couldn't collect his award - he flopped on the way up to the podium and suffered a concussion.

What on earth has Riewer done to get all this praise?

055 you're not serious right? Are you new to basketball? Hope you're enjoying it.

Shot well one game. I guess that stands out when you play for Centrals.

I must agree with #055. We have played them twice and he has done nothing to warrant this ranking. I wouldn't take him into my club team let alone an all-star team.

As a general comment we tend to focus so much on scoring or offensive capabilities. Don't get me wrong but I think the team that plays best defense as a team unit will be hard to beat this year. From what I have seen North is that team and that is where the importance of their bench lays. I must I don't see much of Mt Gambier - I'm leaning to those two teams making the GF.

Make that two games. If his 3 isn't falling he doesn’t score much. Averaged 15.

Second best shooting guard apparently.

i dont know whether riewer should be listed as the second best sg or not but those that dont rather than just pot him perhaps suggest who you believe should be in that role instead.

PL coaches I've spoken to really like Riewer. I wouldn't be suprised to see him back next year at Centrals, or recruited by one of the top-5 clubs. His skill set and style of play would fit exceptionally well alongside more talented and disciplined teammates. In saying that, I don't agree he's top 5 in the league.

I think the top 5 players are Daly, McVeigh, Barkley, Turnage and Majok big they don't fit the positional requirements.

Considering that Riewer is playing with a rabble with no consistency on either offence or defence he's done pretty well. Previously had a good year in Europe a couple of years ago and a very good college career. Put him in a well run system and he would definitely be in discussion for top point guard. Somewhere like North would be great fit.

What college did Reiwer go to? Division 1?

Bloke averaged 12 against top 5 teams. Jet

Centrals have some great talent, one of the longest and fastest seen in a long time and great individual offensive players. What they missed was Jones leaving mid season so they had no inside game and lack of structure on both ends. Looks like they try to run motion but normally just ends up with a player going 1 on 1. And the culture seems terrible, players not showing up to a game, what other successful club would that happen at. Can see Riewer getting frustrated, can't see him returning, will make more money in Europe. And defensively they are terrible giving up too many points. Missing a big in the middle hurts, but their perimeter players are often lost and miss key rotations. Can't see Ricky getting COTY, sure they improved in win column but a lot of way weaker teams out there and their recruits suggested a way better season. Competition resembles the NBA eastern conference, bad teams making playoffs but would get killed out west. As I said they looked lost and culture terrible and buck has to stop with coach. Be interesting to see lineup this week, if those missing players get a game it's a sad indictment on club, and bit late to blood some youngsters in final game. Can see Sapwell getting job next year so he can start both his kids.

Allmon for Woollacott....easily.

Rogers for COTY. Ageing roster, essentially only 1 import and still easily in finals.

Good write up, with so many players having strong seasons there will be some who are very unlucky not to make the first five.

Inevitably, players statistics get quoted when discussing their performance. I have heard that there were some games played at one specific venue where the individual player statistics were woefully incorrect.

Has anyone else heard this? Or had direct experience of it?

Yep, happens quite a bit.

Rojo for COTY???? He isn't even their coach. Limping into the finals like Cliff Young. If there wasn't such a gap between the 6th placed team and their good start they have finished terribly, the worst thing you want going into playoffs. Fair enough he doesn't really coach them but getting Moultrie was a bad decision.

Yes it happens at a few places. I am aware of one case where they put the points for a free throw to a player who never had a free throw for the game. If they get that wrong then you can have no confidence.

Thanks for posting Michael lmao

I see D Webber was listed as an assistant coach for game against Forestville.

"Rogers for COTY. Ageing roster, essentially only 1 import and still easily in finals"

Lol

I think there are too many candidates for All Star 5 and not enough for COTY.

Have any other imports been D2 all American in our league recently?

Just shows how underutilized he has been at centrals.

He was the "basketball times"second team all American in 2015

The NSIC is the best D2 conference in the US. Riewer is no slouch.

Aric Miller from memory was D2 all American.

Versatile big man, if I remember, especially effective with the area between his forearm and upper arm.

No doubt, plenty will be happy to see him gone.

Yeah,

Basketball times 2nd team

NABC 1st team with Austrialans own Mitch Mccarron where McCarron was D2 player of the year that season. NABC is the list you want to get on.

He was also on 2 other All American teams that season. So he made 4 All American lists his Senior year.

And I would agree, he has been very underutilized this season but also playing with a lot of young kids. Honestly impressed that they have 8 wins. Would be fun to see him on one of the better teams next season. Would love see him on North right now.

Or West......but they may not be able to afford him. Or anybody for that matter.

Doing a quick google it appears Devin Gilligan from Southern was an NABC Div 2 All American. I haven't seen him in person, how good is he? Would he be considered for all star 5 if he played a full season?

My impression is that the statistics at Starplex can be particularly unreliable. A shame, tends to distort the statistical record of players' performances.

Watched the 1st Centrals South game online and afterwards was amazed at stats. Not even close when I rewatched it, they gave Riewer an extra 5 or 6 turnovers and ripped off Jones a dozen extra rebounds. Surely someone should review the games to make sure stats are correct, guys like imports rely on them to get jobs.

Riewer was benefitted by not having some misses counted. But he is a good player & worthy of being in the discussion.

Dickel COTY! For what, having a team that isn't a social team. Maybe as a recruiter for getting a couple of actual players but way off being a good team. Knowing him though it was probably himself that posted the nomination. Dick!!!

Some coaches have gone from bottom to top and not won so I don't think Dickel getting a couple of wins will get him many votes, nor will his attitude.

Sutton in the Women for me. Bello runner up.

I've heard Riewer and Boone on the womens team are dating. Wonder if Centrals can somehow get both of them to come back

If anything they'll go elsewhere together than stay at that train wreck.

I hope the refs don't check the stats sheet before doing their mvp votes. Those stats at Central sound very unreliable and misleading.

If the mvp is close, a couple of votes from Starplex could have a very unfortunate impact.

Can't imagine it will effect the Halls or Woollacott voting.

Some pretty horrendous omissions etc. Had to impact if being at all relied upon.

Are you saying that refs don't look at stats?

Or that the voting won't be close? Deng to win it in a canter?

I don't think Starplex stats will effect Woollacott or Halls voting.

Battle for the wooden spoon tonight at Marion between South & Eastern with Sturt also buying in if they cant get the W against a 6 man centrals outfit.

Jefferson, Thomas and Kubank to combine for 20 each to send off Truslove and.... West lose by 35 once again. Calling it.

Saw a video of Allmon crushing beers last night, i'd Be downing them too knowing I had to wake up the next day and play with that rabble

Surely it comes down to the competitons manager to ensure that statistics at every game are recorded pretty accurately?

Mike Gibson letting the players down?

Allmon just getting in some early celebrating for his mvp win?

Allmon out with fat boy ciabottoni again, that family always latches on to imports

South to finish in the basement this year. Underwhelming coach and players apart from Allmon. Tonight can't finish quick enough IMO.

Fresh and potentially out of match form come the big game.

Great review and agree with most.
Nice to see discussions in a PL thread for once and not hijacked by buthurt trolls.
I know, cue the buthurt trolls.

Every club should provide competent people to record the livestats. Kryten, you are correct.

BasketballSA should be making sure that they do. But this has been a problem across the whole season. Hasn't been rectified. Mistakes haven't been corrected.

Not good enough.

Theres no way anyone should expect south to be anything special, just alcoholic party boys

encouraged by their coach

explains their shitty culture

In his hilarious interview he gave, Petty described how he'd changed the culture and gotten rid of 9 or so players who's behavior wasn't up to it. Kind of makes you think how bad they must have been in his eyes. Anyway, hope Jonnek enjoyed his 30 pieces of silver and watches North advance in playoffs.

changed the culture for the worse thats for sure

probably got rid of all the serious players and just wanted to piss around

Congrats to Blake Truslove on a great career. A highlight surely was when he chased Shooter McGavin down to return Happy Gilmores gold jacket.

Riewer is quality. Plays under a lot of control.

Norwood vs Woodville was 53-38????
Wow that's some low scoring!!!

Della Pia played half a season on the bottom placed side in D2 mens before transferring over. Just shows Eastern will take anyone really

wait i thought you couldnt transfer clubs in the middle of winter season? whats the rules here?

Well done Mavs
Just a rabble of a club
Congratulations Blake Truslove

You exploit rules for actually impactful players, this is just a case of random breach

Mavs have no one but themselves to blame for their horrible mess, the final nail in the coffin actually happened at the start of the 2018 season when two players who hadn't committed nor trained were allowed to show up days before the first game and walk into the team. Blatant favouritism for 2 players who were only average or less at this level ( one couldn’t) get a game in Woodville reserves at the time., and was allowed to train football during the week, yet started without even training !!!!!! What message Warhurst did that tell the players? Then there’s the two brothers who are given unlimited court time and favouritism without any connection to non performance in reserve grade, for years.
Well the final result is this ...... the players with any credibility walked in 2018 some at the start of the season and the rest ran for the exits at the end.
The club only won games this year through the dominance of import Morris and some hot shooting games from young Bald (leaving for college)

CULTURE = what Mavs ? You don’t know do you

The two players laughed about it to some their team mates no wonder the squad was fractured

Andrew Barton for Woollacott?

Highest paid player in the league

Mav's players don’t mind a post on here hey. How about the West effort tonight. Coach McLean really galvanised the fellas into a dominant performance. Clearly awe inspiring half time speech led to their bench letting a 5 point deficit blow out into a 15 point deficit..

Live stats at the ARC must have broke down because game score was 84-74 flames

Live stats only had 3/4's showing but the bright sparks here clearly didn’t pick up on that.

No kidding. Who sees a 53-38 score line and doesn't immediately suspect an error. The correct score is on the Premier League social media platforms.

Some good individual games last night,

Bryan Jefferson- 36pts, 10Reb's 3ast. 16/25 from the field for 64%

Alex Starling - 33pts, 13Reb's 4ast. 11/19 from the field for 57%

Majok Deng - 33pts, 9Reb's 0ast. 12/14 from the field for 85%

Brandon Morris - 34pts, 11Reb's , 3ast. 14/25 from the field for 56%

Zach Allmon- 30pts, 17Reb's 2ast. 13/23 from the field for 56%

Jordan Riewer- 33pts, 6Reb's 10ast. 11/18 from the field for 61%

Nick Desantis - 30pts , 4Reb's 2ast. 10/14 from the field for 71%


I didn't see a final boxscore from the Norwood vs Woodville game.

South dancing in the changerooms like they just won a championship then posting it on facebook is one of the most cringeworthy things ever seen

Seb Vozzo -9 in 5 minutes lol

Devin McGee 20 minutes 0 pts 1 rebounds

Some pretty impression individual performances

Who's gonna win best player u20 this season?? Thoughts there’s a few decent ones

So south lose they get bagged? South win and celebrate like a good cultured team should.... they also get bagged?

At least Easterns players didn't piss off to a interstate tournament with 2 weeks to go, only the sheer terribleness of South prevented 2 losses to bottom teams. Another example of a clubs culture letting them down. From Cunningham to now Simpson that club is a mess, don't even think they'll be able to field teams next season in mens or women's.

Good culture ha ha ha ha

Singing a song and carrying on like you won the NBA championship after beating the bottom side and just barely avoiding finishing their yourself, doesn't create good culture, turning up to training, putting in the work and actually winning more than 4 games a season does

Mavs are in bad shape when the coach and "club legend" Seb Vozzo are going toe to toe in a yelling match during the game. Mavs need a cleanout and culture shift immediately how anyone at the club thinks this is acceptable is mind blowing.

Do you guys realise teams like south centrals Sturts average age is like 20 give them a break. They are trying to focus on building their juniors up... not every team has the budget to rebuy all new players every year

Mavs board need to be seriously looked at for the decisions they have made over a very long period on the mens side. Warhurst shouldn't cop the blame alone for poor results and an awful club culture.

I think Centrals will be fine in the future, They just finished 6th in the league. With everything they have gone through this season, that is quite the accomplishment for the club.

Looking at the boxscore last night, they rolled out a reserves team to play with Diing and Riewer.

I'm unsure with centrals their young core seems very uncommitted and don’t have a good understanding of system basketball.... individual talent they have a lot of but I’m not sure that wins finals in this league

Predictions on loosest team to make an ass of themselves at Woollacott?

My thoughts: Norwood/West/South on the men's side. & Forestville/Sturt on the women’s end.

What's happening with the Norwood Woodville game?
Will those stats be fixed?

Given Basketball SA's lack of interest in fixing the considerable problems with the individual stats at Centrals all season long, I wouldn't expect so.

Centrals is more like an AAU team than anything, just individual stuff all the time

Is anyone on Forestvilles womens team old enough to drink?

Only about 90% of them.

Must have been a few 18ths this year

Is it simply that there is not enough player depth, access to financial resources and quality administration to sustain a competitive 10 (or 11) team league?

Folks have been debating the poor quality of the bottom two or three (or more) clubs for as long as I can remember. If anything, you add in Mt Gambier and the gap between the top hand full of teams and the bottom ones gets bigger.

And then there is a club like Sturt who are happy to go with an uncompetitive team, rather than find the money to bring in some better players to provide leadership on court.

No doubt the quality of play between the top teams has been high quality and very watchable. But the standard just falls away too quickly.

Far as I knew, Sturt's team finished top. Not sure why you would think they were uncompetitive.

Perhaps the bottom four clubs merge into two for PL purposes? Keep all their other teams separate but join for seniors, e.g. South-Woodville warriors and the Sturt-Eastern Mavericks!

No ones going to merge, remember only a few years ago southern were a basket case spent heaps of cash won a few premierships on their way to being basket cases again

For COTY it would be between Hill and Hawkes, slight edge to Hill. For Woollacott Turnage a deserving favourite but my Olbrich tip is Allmon, Hoppo might be the only other South player to get a vote so seeing as oppositions top player gets some votes, he would poll in every game despite losses.
*For Olbrich reference look up past winners from really shit teams.

Showing your age 394

I think youll find that this isnt the first time those centrals kids abandoned their team. They were in the SAABL competition in 2018 and forfeited all of their last 5 games around the same time of the year

It staggers the mind why so many people think who wins an amateur senior competition has any significance?

It's actually sending clubs broke. Southern case in point. If they tipped in as much cash to their juniors they may have more than a few competitive teams.

Even the bigger clubs (Fville,Norwood) spend way too much money when their junior progrms are average.

I like Woodville finally appointing some to focus on their juniors and I hope they give that person the resources to do a great job.

The PL serves a purpose for a small minority at each club that seem to have a loud voice.

Same old same old every year. Getting funnier and funnier to watch.

Proximity probably an important factor.

Whilst it would probably never happen, it would be one way of reducing the number of teams without taking away any of the club's identity.

A strong PL, where people want to come and watch and good players want to play, especially with some new and improved facilities, sounds like a good idea to me.

A stronger, more competitive league might also help with sponsorship and even improve the League as a pathway to the NBL.

LMFAO juniors need something to aspire to at the expense of the program they need to get to that goal and then find the club has no spots for them because its win at all costs and that means imports and players moving constantly. Add to that their coaching director or BOM not available to do what they are employed to do 'develop juniors being a huge part of that' because they are coaching Premier League and hanging with their coach mates. LMFAO again PL serves a few at the expense of the many and usually the few are part of a select impenetrable and protected group. Sturt is the only club that has the right idea at this level and their success beyond their club speaks volumes. Clearly there for the players and not the coaches exclusively. The club is truly first and that means you look after the players. Player, Team, Club = success. Not the other way round like other clubs. Just take a look at where the juniors are across the board right now. More people are happy at the club with juniors who are developing and have a future in the game and opportunity than those who go to a few games over winter to fan out on imports and then go back to the frustrations of their teams and poor coaching.

Your sure that the Sturt management committee is not simply dominated by the parents of juniors who only care about their kid and have no real interest in getting a balance between the programs that allows both seniors and juniors to thrive?

Not sure that Sturt are the model to follow when looking for a strong and sustainable premier league.

Yeah I don't think anyone admires the Sturt PL Women or their Junior Mens program that uses their PL to aid their success beyond SA. Such a terrible club. LOL.

So how can money be reinvested back into juniors? Most JDOs are just there to speak to disgruntled parents that think their kids should be in higher div. Then it's the case of finding coaches for div 3 or lower. A few clubs have even given that up saying if a parent doesn't coach they won't have one at all. Most camps during holidays cost just to put some extra money in imports pockets. So how to invest money in juniors? But a shooting machine? Dribbling goggles? Or do fees just get reduced.
Again most JDOs come in with best intentions of mentoring coaches, helping out at trainings, having workshops etc. Instead it's a case of cat and mouse on Sundays avoiding parents, either pumping their kids up or putting others down. Slowly but surely they're worn down and end up not giving a crap and just take the cash. If your club has one, what do they really do?

#448, yes you are correct. Fantastic junior program. Senior women going really well.

I was not clear enough in indicating that I see their relative lack of success in their men's program as a reflection of misplaced priorities.

I see a consistently strong men's program as not beyond their capacity. Yet it is something that seems to consistently run below their commitment to their junior program.

Who are the state's strongest clubs overall? Sturt and Forrestville? Yet Sturt appear to place little value on their senior men's program.

A bit odd?

Not good for basketball in SA?

LOL its the parents fault again if a JDO or coaches suck at what they do. How ridiculous. Grow up, admit your weaknesses, seek to learn, grow and develop, Build relationships and for god sake communicate with players and parents instead of being an autocratic coach that just coaches and ignores parents who should be in partnership with you. Be human, be honest and be accountable. So much defensive behaviour that suggests to me that it is a way to deflect and cover up incompetence and lay blame elsewhere. There is not hundreds of rogue parents out there making JDO's life so hard they can’t do their job. If they did their job then there would be far less complaints or concerns and even less if coaches where properly supported and educated by their JDO’s. Many are too busy doing other stuff that takes them away from their core role. Maybe clubs need to employ a qualified manager and a head coach that just deals with coaching and not have them coaching PL.

Sturt mens would be better if they didn't have so many of their players at college, Europe or playing for Australia !

Outstanding junior program.

Leading into a very ordinary senior program.

Just seems out of balance.

^simple explanation:

Their elites go to higher leagues

We need to remember that juniors become young adults who have study, work and other things to explore in life and thats okay. The ones who want to make a living out of it go os or college and others live their lives. They are more than just basketball. There are also differences depending on where you live, socio economics, work opportunities etc as well so each club will be different going in to YL and Seniors. Sturt caps its teams so they are able to manage their club well. In years to come that may change. Others have huge numbers that go on to Seniors and it becomes a community, its just different.

#458 its not hard to understand is it really LOL

How many South Australians play in the NBL? (Less than 5?) And people on here want a bought elite PL comp that rewards financial debt and sponsorship. The only way PL will survive if its tribal and represents a club and junior program. Like the SANFL was in football eras past. Im not from Sturt but good on them for showing some ethics and philosophy. Thats maybe why they are so good.

Here's an idea out side of the box, what if PL teams were required to field 80% line up of junior program. That would force JDOs to work hard. And money to the right areas!!

What Sturt player is playing for Australia? And you'll find other clubs have kids at college. What ones are in Europe?
Sturt are probably the ones that 1st started the arms race with Ninnis and the Sturtysixers, if you wanted a DP spot you had to go to Sturt.

I would simply like to see more PL games at the standard of the games between the top 3 or 4 teams. Great standard, very watchable.

You don't get competitive games all the time in any competition, AFL has teams not up to it, NBA has teams not competitive, England’s premier league just to name a few

That's true.

Other leagues, e.g. AFL, take multiple different approaches to try to assist teams to be competitive, and not allow them to be forever in the cellar.

In PL the gap between the better teams and the cellar dwellers is widening. Makes it harder to promote the League - to sponsors, imports, as a pathway.

Having the option of 2 imports does help even though you get what you pay for. If Centrals had kept Jones I think they would have gotten a few more wins. Then you look at other bottom dwellers. Sturt had one and he was terrible, Cherry for Eastern, West having 1, Woodville bringing back Perry and underutilizing Clippinger, don't know what they were doing there. And Zinser for South, wow, he was woeful. Most loaded up on a good import then got a budget one in. If clubs can succeed and get 2 good imports instead of breaking bank on one and getting scraps for second then it's proven they won't succeed. Norwood bringing back Moultrie when they have resources to get a good big will haunt them, probably thought they were getting same guy as a few years ago. Rest of the league were a bit worried but turned out he's a shell.
Plenty of players out there looking to start career and ours is a pretty good one. And some just looking for working holiday. If can get sponsor family for accommodation, a few clinics here and there, a cheap car, then it's not bad for 4 months or so. Just seems team don't do their homework.

Agreed. Possible to take positive steps without putting the juniors' parents in the poor house.

Not sure why Perry cops so much heat, on points alone he ended up averaging more than

Riewer (all American )
Dowdell
Dickson
Cherry
Hayward
Carleton

Jones only average .9 PPG more .

Nowhere near the worst import re points return

Perry was supposed to be their number 1 option and shooter yet shot 40%. Brought back and continued to be injury prone, only 12 games, of the others mentioned Riewer played in a system where he was totally unselfish and easily could have gotten extra 10 ppg more, and shot 50%. Dowdell and Dickson were role players and probably 4th option on offence, yet nearly outscored Perry, the others mentioned as before are terrible. And Perry's defence was terrible, his only job was to shoot and score, so contributed nothing else.
So that's why he's one of the bad ones, might have a good game followed by 3 bad ones then sit 2 out injured.

Also contributed about 3 rebounds and bugger all assists. Was bad last year and worse this year.

cassella pulled the plug at sturt, be interesting to see who gets that job

That's a huge loss for Sturt

hUgE

Wonder how many experts on this forum will apply for job? Said they knew more than him.

Feel for Cassella. Imagine being a jockey that is passionate about horse racing, finally getting an opportunity to race on the states biggest stage and being handed a three legged horse to compete with.
That would suck, and dont bother Sturt elitists with your " we look after our juniors " rhetoric, your PL program is average at best and it isnt the coaches fault.

Janx and Jase

Hope they can ride a three legged horse...

We have for years been chastised by Sturt for not developing our juniors so that we can be competitive so that basketball in the state can improve.

So what happens when you move out of U18's does this theory stop? I would argue that Sturt do a disservice to their juniors who wish to continue to improve and reach the highest level they can but have no desire or intention to go to college. That route is only one option available to players.

When Sturt juniors venture out into the big world of seniors how do they improve? By playing? Maybe but if you do the math they may play 25 minutes a game for 20 games and they get 500 minutes of being challenged and improving. But wait - half the teams only are strong enough to challenge these players so maybe they get just over four hours of improvement a year.

At this level training is more important to continue that development. Being in a PL squad at a club where there are better imports or NBL players will help you develop more. Imagine training 3+ hours a WEEK against better players including scrimmages. Who will develop better? Top that off with a higher profile coach who has experienced first hand what it takes to train and play at the NBL level and that to me is the way to go. Yes some of these kids will play less minutes initially but when called upon they will be more than ready.

Yes these Sturt juniors do train but against who - other Sturt juniors who are not strong enough to compete as they should. They are not stretched at training and hence improvement stagnates as well.

If I was 19 or 20 at Sturt and had no desire to go to college then I am resigned to not reaching my potential or switch to a stronger PL club.

If the Sturt approach is so right why are we starting to see more players leaving Sturt to play at other PL clubs. There are 3 at Tigers. So does a guy like Max get better by training week in week out against the likes of Turnage, Dodman, Ellison etc or by training at Sturt against who knows who.

In my opinion if you have no intention of going to college, at Sturt and about to finish up in juniors then I would start looking around at the better PL clubs with good coaches if you wanted to get better.

these sturt juniors not getting a game in seniors do have the option of going elsewhere to find a game, they aren't shackled to sturt for the rest of their lives

Yes of course which is why some have left.

They just need to have the courage to step away from the blue and blue security blanket and accept there is a better way!

Wow, Team player are you Phil. Was always Jason's biggest fan, kept him on the 6ers for years for some reason now backing him into coaching PL after doing juniors.

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Absolutely on the money

Interesting ?

Four of Forestvilles starting 5 play 40 minutes each every week so it's not like they need a deep bench.