Olgun Uluc is claiming that Sobey is leaving because Wright is sticking around.

https://twitter.com/olgunuluc/status/1107995640238231552?s=21

From the tweet - "Regarding Nathan Sobey: expect him to have a new home for the 2019-20 NBL season. It wasn't ever a money thing; it was a Joey thing. I’m told that Joey Wright’s decision to stay put was the nail in the coffin of Sobey's time in Adelaide"

End of the day, Joey may have a bit more money than a few years back, but he wouldn't be able to match what SEM are offering. So he wants guys who want to be there. And he generally does a good job, of both recruiting and building a team.

I know Wright has given Sobey a roasting at times but no one on that team gets spared a spray.

If true this is a great concern that the coach is preventing a good player from re-signing.

I know this is moot as Wright has 3 more years, but if given the choice would you choose Sobey to stay or Wright to stay?

I really hope to see Sobey at SEM.

Rumour is:

Sobey signed

Is now trying to back out of the deal by adding extra clauses

NBL has been told that he has a signed contract and can't change it

Sobey retaliates that he will sit out then

Mystery rumour regarding Joey being difficult created to put pressure on 36ers to release Sobey

Sobey to SEM or G League under same management as Creek

IMHO , and purly from observation, Wright's preffered culture is WW, (Worship Wright). He seems to view this as "loyalty to the cause" and a good thing. I see it as populating his bench with yes men.

Being (W)right is what he gets off on, wasn't like that in Brisbane , as he did not really have to coach much.

Yes, this can get players motivated and developed, but it gets old within a few seasons.
I'd expect to see creek and Sobey to break out again nex season if together in Melb.

Thanks anon for reminding why I shouldn't visit or post on this site anymore. Full of dickheads. Used to be a good site, now over run with idiots.

If Adelaide is losing Sobey, maybe they'd like to take Cadee off Brisbane's hands. He used to be touted as the future Australian point guard, so you know he's good.

I see the posts about the supposed reason behind Sobey not wanting to play under Joey have been deleted. Not good.

I think this pretty much rules out much chance of Sobey playing with SEM or anywhere else in the NBL next season. As if the Sixers would let him out of his contract to sign with a rival team.

Can we trust that the Sixer's actually know if he has a contract signed or not?

"Can we trust that the Sixer's actually know if he has a contract signed or not?"

would not be surprised if they did have a signed contract, but found out that its invalid because they spelt the name wrong ;)

KB3...that is a pretty wild rumour.

Let's think about this for a moment, if Joey being gone is one of Sobey's main requirements (ie important enough that you'd want to sit out), why would he sign before Joey is officially gone?

Does he have an Euro out clause? It might be his saviour but we won't see him for a couple of seasons.

Sobey re-signing for 3 years and now having second thoughts was mentioned by Boti last week.

He may have re-signed when the relationship with the coach was considerably better.

It only takes one altercation in the heat of the moment to damage a relationship beyond repair.

Did they spell his name right on the contract #jingles

I'm ambivalent about both at this point! Joey is a good coach and has got some good results on the board after the abysmal Marty Clarke era, but he has his flaws and I have my doubts he can get any more out of our best players at this point. We have top Australian talent, but we STILL can't play defence and we STILL aren't good at attacking our opponents weaknesses on offence.

I've heard rumours that Joey wants out, but hasn't found the right landing place back in the US yet. Not ideal if your coach doesn't really have his heart in it anymore!

The long contract is a massive problem, but its not every day a coach like Beveridge becomes available, so part of me would like the Sixers to pursue that path. The other part thinks Joey could still get us that elusive title if we can get the right imports.

I love Sobey's passion and defence and he can be electric when his offence is on, but I just don't think he has the court awareness and all the skills he needs to be our lead guard and closer. Moore is the same - he's a good player, but not a lead guard. Both players have similar skillsets, but neither is a knockdown three point shooter. It makes it hard to play them both together.

Personally, I would have preferred to keep Sobey and let Moore go, but the Sixers have already signed Moore and from the rumours I heard, something definitely went bad between Sobey and Joey or the team during the season. So if we can get a Bryce Cotton or Melo Trimble or similar, then I don't think it would be a disaster to lose Sobey. It would be a better story though, if Sobey returns to the team that built him as a player and takes another big step forward, helping to win the Sixers a title.

If that rumor is true I'd like to see the Sixers owner take a stand and sack Joey tell him if he wants a payout to see him in court and back Sobey in. He's now the closest thing we've got to a "home grown" star the fans love him.

After Creek leaving we can't afford to lose Sobey as well especially if Joey say quits after next season anyway does a year penance and then comes back to the NBL in 2021 when the Perth, Brisbane, Sydney & SE Melb jobs could potentially be up for grabs again.

The long contract is a massive problem, but its not every day a coach like Beveridge becomes available, so part of me would like the Sixers to pursue that path.

The other part thinks Joey could still get us that elusive title if we can get the right imports.

Zodiac, I missed what was said on Hoops about the Joey/ Sobey incident. Are you able to give me the gist of what was said without it getting taken down?

After Creek leaving we can't afford to lose Sobey as well

Lovebroker, I agree - if Childress didn't get that freak injury, I think we'd have won the series. This last season has shown how much difference he made on defence. IIRC the Sixers had the best defensive FG% in the league in the 2nd half of that season. We were nowhere close to that in the season just gone!

Yes that season we played the best defence under Wright plus our trademark high octane offence and it got us to within one game.

So you know Wright 'has it in him', but why can't he achieve it year in year out?

This season pass we should have done better on D, we have Sobey, Wiley, Deng, and Froling's size.

I would have liked to keep Shorter rather than Deleon as the better defender.

dousnt.

A lot of people blaming Joey which is unwarranted in my opinion.

Creek leaving and the debacle surrounding that wasn't Joey's fault.

Sobey has a lot of talent but is a hot head and isn't the best decision maker. He cost us games last season. When the game is on the line you don't want him with the ball making decisions.

If you keep Sobey (ideally you do) you play him at SG and get a good import PG next to him.

I don't think you keep him at the expense of Joey though. Joey has brought success and young talent to the team which has kept us competitive & developing with a budget much less than a number of teams. He has been the key to the signings of Deng, Froling, Drmic, Mcveigh, Sobey and is the key to future signings such as Isaac White should he not get drafted to the NBA.

Next season could be a lean one if we lose Sobey and considering the imports we already have signed (limiting the moves we can make) but after that I think it is looking up...especially as the likes of Drmic, Froling Mcveigh will have been in the system a couple of seasons and further developed.

Isaac White if not drafted into the NBA....ha, ha, ha.
Might get a DP NBL spot somewhere and just as likely to be back playing for Sturt in Premier League. Drafted into the NBA....

Tornado, I agree there are a lot of good things about Joey as a coach. As I said though, he has his flaws. The team seems unable to consistently play either a high level of defence, or to exploit opponents weaknesses on offence. Ultimately those things are on the coach. It's not a case of blaming Joey for all the ills of the team, but I think some criticism is warranted.

Anon...I have no idea how good Isaac actually is or could be but he seems to be doing alright in college at the moment.

Beantown...wasn't saying Joey wasn't without his flaws (every coach and player is) was just saying that he is copping a lot of blame for things outside of his control or because players don't want to take ownership of their own flaws/attitude/actions.

Playing Sobey at point guard is flat out wrong and was a mistake , he is a finisher. I'm glad they kept him there during the year, having him as the finisher on the break would have been scary.

but after that I think it is looking up...especially as the likes of Drmic, Froling Mcveigh will have been in the system a couple of seasons and further developed.

Deng regressed because he is not a good one on one defender, he was getting smoked by Vague and Moller during the season. Good offensive player, and can block shots when camped under the ring because of his length, but can get exploited on the defensive end.

Are you able to give me the gist of what was said without it getting taken down?

Like I said...not sure of how good Isaac is or can be, I was just going off info of him pre-Stanford (I didn't compile this by the way);

• Regarded as one of Australia's top prospects
• Led South Australia to the 2017 national title
• Averaged 20.9 points, while also leading his national team in assists, free throws (80)
• Posted a 53.6 shooting percentage from three-point range
• Led his South Australia team in scoring each of the his two years at the Under 20 Junior Championships
• Led his Under-18 Australian team to a 50-3 record, defeating some of the country's top teams in the Melbourne Classic tournament
• Named the Premier League's top Under 21 player
• Averaged 15.0 points his first season and nearly 30.0 points last season
• Posted a 65-point performance (10 three-pointers) against West Adelaide
• Proved himself on the national level with dominant performances for the Australian National team at the Albert Schweitzer Tournament and FIBA Oceania Championship

Are you using domestic youth league stats as a case for Isaac to make the NBA LOL ??

The White Zion right there.

Gotta be honest, I always get a bit querulous when I read comments about players leaving because they had an argument with the coach.
Is this the under 12's?
Different if a player honestly believes the coach is bad for the team and can't lead them to a championship, but I don't feel that can be the case with Joey. Otherwise, unless he has been diddling Sobey's GF, Sobey needs to suck it up.

Joey, from what I've seen, would make a great College coach. All offence, lots of passion, and highlights. That said, it also seems to be a style most Adelaide fans appreciate, and maybe his philosophy is correct. If you haven't got the money to win every game, at least keep the fans entertained and passionate.

Joey, by and large is great at spotting and developing talent. Some of his picks have been inspired.
That said, a few have been questionable, and some don't seem like the right fit. I can only assume he's severely budget constrained and looking for diamonds in the rough.

People (not all) aren't listening and just love to troll/be negative clairvoyants so...ok.

Just to add a little weight to the rumours previously mentioned here, Boti is reporting that Sobey has signed something called a 'Heads of Agreement document' (I don't know what that is or how binding it is), and is now looking to back out.

http://botinagy.com/blog/ftf-thats-a-2018-19-wrap/

The quote : JUST repeating, the word around Adelaide is Nathan Sobey signed a Heads of Agreement document with the 36ers to play for the club for the next three years but is having second thoughts.

Let's say it's true and the Sixers could hold Sobey to the contract. Should the sixers hold someone to a contract if they have no heart in playing for the team?

Mitch Creek is doubtful to play for SEMP so Sobey might join them, Mitch and Sobey are good mates.

Heads of agreement documents are non-biding anyways so he won't have any problems backing out.

I would let Sobey go.

I would combine Sobey and Congo's salary and sign a stud point guard.

I think Drimic is ready to be given far more responsibility and could become a 15/16 PPG starting guard. This would cover the loss of Sobey

1) Stud point guard '/ Teys / Doyle
2) Import / Moore
3) Drimic / McVeigh
4) Wiley / Dang
5) DJ / Frolling or a young NCAA Australia pivot if Frolling goes NBA or G League.

I’m not overly fussed id Sobey leaves as he is extremely unreliable with the ball in his hand down the stretch but whatever happens, we need to sign a reliable point guard who can be that playmaker in trhe final 5 minutes.

Sobey leaves more becomes a 100% shooting guard. Get the ball out of his hands.

PPG= points per game not point guard.
If Sobey goes Adelaide are screwed.

The best teams it seems to me are playing a dedicated PG, and a combo in the 2 spot. As such I feel that is where Sobey is best suited.
I think a backcourt in which he's paired with a gun PG would be top shelf.
As such I'e never quite understood why Joey persist with Moore. Is he just really cheap?

Losing Sobey might actually improve their structure, but the problem is that replacing quality locals is extremely difficult. Not sure who's available on the FA list.
Joey is good at identifying and developing young talent, but it takes time. You can't keep haemorrhaging talent like Creek and Sobey, and expect to immediately replace them with youth.

Chill pills for Joe lol.

So..... it's a foregone conclusion that Sobey is leaving.

Personally I think this is devastating, first Creek then Sobey. Please noe that I do not hold anyone responsible for their departure, it's just sporting reality.

Right now, other than for supporting the club, there is no draw card.

DJ is a very good player but does not inspire.

Wiley can have flashy highlights but they are irregular.

Froling is probably the one I would enjoy seeing grow as a player.

Unless there is a gum import on the horizon, I fear this could be another lean year for the Sixers.

Disclaimer : I had hoped Drmic and Deng step up but that has not happened so I won't place any hopes in that this year.

"Not saying you're wrong, but Ware and Randle are shoot-first PGs and Cotton could essentially slide to SG because Perth had Martin and Norton. It's an interesting dynamic."

True, both those guys could almost be described as Combos, although Randle is a little short and lacking on D.
But he's partnered with Lisch, who can and has run the point, and just look how much better Melbourne looked starting McCarron. Again, call him a combo may be a big stretch, but he too can and has run the point.

I mean Sobey is a great player, and in a sense its great he gives that flexibility that you can start him at 1 or 2, depending on who else you've got. I just think Adelaide would have been better off with an import PG and Sobey at the 2. (Which I guess is what they tryed for with De Leon?)

Sevennews are gonna run the story, tonight exclusive; '36ers keypiece'

Wonder if it's Adam Gibson

Kevin Lisch for a bit of vet stability, knockdown shooting and defence?

Either that or another cringeworthy Wright blast from the past.

Free agency hasn't started yet, so they're not going to be announcing any new signings.

Yes that's right.

Must be another 3 years of Nelson Larkins then.

Sevennews understands due to Sobey - Wright relationship which included physical in NZ, it is better for Sobey to leave and also understands Brisbane is likely

Sixers denied it, when sevennews asked them about it .... sevennews understands it was after the last game against NZ