We're supposed to lose. So we might win.
The margin for error is razor thin.

We either play well or like total shit.
Reward my faith or extinguish it!

I'm too nervous whenever it comes to Perth games; my absolute hatred runs too deep. Ever since Joe-Joe was mauled to oblivion by Vlahov and Fisher in the finals out west, my rage has been at peak levels for the black and red.

25 years ago, my brother would rock up to our members seats in a #15 Grace top and my Dad would have to separate us to quell the violence. I still remember the boos and food thrown.

Good times.

Sixers with Sobey to explode. Too much to play for to let this slip. Perth on steady decline - Sixers too much talent. DJ drimic deng Wiley big froling time to put on a show. Sixers by 12plus.

I'm kinda nervous about what the 36ers could do to us tonight if they smell blood in the water and get rolling.
Heaps at stake in this one. Character test time for the Cats.

I think your write up is being generous to Perth Jack.
Neither team is playing like a finals bound team.
Someone has to win so I will pick Adelaide and hope I'm wrong as usual.

What is Wrong with Perth's Offence?
(Written for nbl.com.au by Tom Hersz)

Perth have got this one easy.

All they have to do is play a zone, pressure the ball carrier enough and the 36ers will capitulate in the 2nd half once again.

Adelaide by 10.

I could see us jagging this game at home tonight and then getting destroyed in the next two in Perth.

Sixers by 4 points

Saw that article luuuc. Biggest takeaway for mine is the reduction in fta, and after last weeks cairns game it is clear they are just settling for jumpers. If they do attack the rim, they just give up if they don't get the call, go back to jumpers. 7-10pts at the line would bump their score back up to low 90's, that right there is the difference between good cats and bad cats. This game could get very ugly from a basketball standpoint, 6ers not knowing how to attack a zone and perth relying on late shot clock cotton against a double team...

Hogwash, I quite agree! Both teams are probably the worst two teams for form at the moment

"Jesse "Stuart" Wagstaff has engineered a stella career“

So, has his career been “stellar", or has he been drinking “stella” artois throughout his career? I've never seen a white singlet under his uniform, but who knows.

Seriously, another good write up. Already created differences of opinions.

My tip is Adelaide to toast the Wildcats. Without their avocado import the toast will be more blue collar, so maybe Froling and Teys to have big games. Or blue collar Wagstaff might have a big game before celebrating with his blue collar beer.

It’s all too had to predict now.

Wildcats to have a 16 point lead in the second half and then lose by 10.

it is clear they are just settling for jumpers. If they do attack the rim, they just give up if they don't get the call, go back to jumpers.

Agreed o boards are a necessity for Perth, and the best way to stop transition offence (Adelaides bread and butter) also happens to be scoring.

Time to feed the ball into Brandt and Kay, if we keep relying on our shooting we'll lose (unless of course we shoot lights out).

All they have to do is play a zone, pressure the ball carrier enough and the 36ers will capitulate in the 2nd half once again.

Every team can be beaten "easily" by a sentence - actually doing it is another. You could say beating Perth is just as easy as not letting Cotton score more than 20.

If Perth miss a lot of shots (which is highly likely given their poor offense as of late) and don't get back, ADL will murder them in the open floor.

Correct that they need to use the post more. They run a post oriented offensive game plan but haven't been dropping the ball in nearly as much as they did earlier in the season.

Is Cotton playing?

Guess this game and no announcement ends all speculation on another import. With the next 8 games all against good teams, we will find out what the team is made of.

This one shapes as a huge grudge match with both teams desperate for a win and so much on the line. Perth have stated this week they need to increase their intensity levels and i expect adelaide to respond in kind. I envisage a fouling and flopping encounter with a few tech fouls and an ejection. If coach joey can keep his shirt on the sixers should just prevail.

Adelaide by 4

Is Cotton playing?

I predict this thread will largely discuss anything but the game.
Maybe expect bitching about refs, flog and flop references and the all time classic our team is better than yours despite either team being legitimate contenders.

If both teams could somehow lose that would be great

If there's anything outside of a 3rd import that might get Perth's offense going, it's probably Adelaide's defense.

Adelaide should win on form, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Cotton/Kay have big games and the Wildcats pick up a W.

Macdub...Those are things that are easy to do and Perth don't even have to do any of those things particularly well - just implement them and it will go a long way to defeating the 36ers.

On offense all Perth have to do is have Cotton and Steindl camp in either corner and the 36ers will give them open shots all game.

"I predict that the fans of the team that loses will accept the loss graciously, and this thread post-game will be full of respectful and polite conversation."

Comedy gold.

Wildcats are playing poorly and shooting poorly.

There are too many people in the team not performing to expectations.

I think ADL only due to the home court advantage and I think Drmic will do better for the extra time without Moore.

Game predictions (hopeful)

- Cotton to do Cotton things
- Drmic to be ejected
- Wagstaff to finally play a good game this season
- Sobey to get benched late for Doyle/Bruce because Joey Wright
- Brandt to double double
- Wiley to flex, yell and carry on after scoring his first points early in the 2nd half
- Homicide to still be a flog whether he's commentating or not

Any chance McVeigh gets on court with Moore out?

Anon 690

No Moore are Adelaide favourites.

No Adel either. He's playing G-League I n a 2 way deal, isn’t he?

would you bet an over or under ? settled around 183 pts

Perth and Adelaide match up well. Both are not the biggest teams in the league and struggle against the likes of Shawn Long or Bogut. Should be a good game. The way the Wildcats have played lately they will need 70+ combined from Cotton, White & Kay to be in with a chance.. or maybe 50 from Cotton himself.. and therein lies their weakness

Drimic is a flog!

Excellent, we've got Homicide on commentary for this one.

Believe it or not, I like it when Homocide calls Perth games. Great entertainment value and he has no problems making statements that the others would shy away from. Like him or not, in time he could prove dead right about the Wildcats this year.

Game prediction
Adelaide will have the best "new player" stats

Adelaide by 8. Sobey with 22 pts. DJ with 8 rebounds. Cotton and Terrico to lead Perth. Wagstaff to hit 2 three pointers.

Adelaide 94 Perth 86

Adelaide 97 Perth 78

Homicide to start 27 sentences with "Definitely"

Luuuc haha

I can already sense Rhys Vague is going to dominate tonight for -15.

I just turned it on as tip-off happened.. Vague starting at 5??? Is Brandt injured?

Perth announce Rhys Vague is now their 3rd import. Looks like a better shooter than White, at least.

Perth playing spread offense rather than flex. So playing 4 out set, no doubt the reason for the lineup change. Good offensive adjustment. 3 postups for Kay and 1 for Vague in the first few possessions also

Refs robbing us blind so far

Just saw flex in transition off the make and horns the following play. I like the 4 out spread with a legit post threat

lol @ that Perth sequence.

Tough call on Brandt for his second foul

As the ref complaints start rolling in I should probably mention that my robbing blind post was just a joke

Brick Mode engaged for Perth

Cotton clocked in the face, mcveigh carry on like that no t??? Wow

Well done Joey.. it was a good call

Could smell the Wagstaff flop as soon as Froling put the ball on the floor.

Wow Perth's offence is abysmal.

Froling on a tear.

Refs wow wow. How hard is it.

Perth scoreless for 5 mins before Norton buzzer beater.. sound familiar? Literally have to play Cotton for the rest of the game no sub to stand a chance here.

Mitch Norton loses his footing again.

Burning Cotton out.
No Steindl is he injured?

No minutes available for Steindl behind Vague and Hire.

Adelaide 16 points in the paint so far- danger signs there, also 9 offensive boards vs 12 defensive for Perth.. not looking good. And Froling is a beast tonight

Ouch. Kay gets his 3rd :/

Wow 3 on Kay, 2 on Brandt. This could get ugly

Let kay play! That is comical. As was congers flop.

Kay and Johnson locked arms, they call it on Kay just because heis the defender. Play on.

Absolutely pathetic. I've never seen that type of run in the NBL before. Wildcats organisation are in denial!

Look out 36ers if we start passing the ball to our own players

Mitch Norton sucks balls

I think even Sobey felt bad for the Wildcats there and gave it up to Wiley to demonstrate how to pass to your own players.

Adelaide a 9-0 run in 56 seconds between timeouts.. ouch!

Not even a 36ers fan, but I love watching the 36ers when they're in this mood! Crowd into it too. Entertaining.

SIXERS. Game over.explosive.

I like the change up here, iso Vague.

4 turnovers the last 8 possessions for Perth. Have to look after the ball against this team or be prepared to watch dunks all night

I think Vaguey gave him a decent barge on that one.

Stupid play by Vague there. You can tell he intentionally wanted to hit Froling on that screen so moved into him. They'd been going at it all night.

Perth are starting to come apart at the seams. Why do they run flex when they never ever hit the cutter off the flex cut?

Feels like Adelaide would be up by 15 or so right now if Conger hadn't started chucking up crap contested 3s without even trying to run anything offensively.

That was a nice finish from McVeigh.

Did someone forgot to turn the air con on?

Perth getting beaten off the dribble way too much, even Damo. With the starters out there Perth can score with them but I get the feeling Adelaide will wear them down and blow this out late in the third or in the fourth. This is Adelaide tempo

Somehow it's a two point game at HT.

So after all that layup practice we gave Adelaide somehow we ended up winning the quarter?? Weird.
Stoked to be down just 2. Should be more like 15.

We're doing cheeseburgers on and-1s now?

2 point game at the half is a lot closer than the game feels. Perth needs to slow the tempo down because they can't run with Adelaide. Execute in the half court, get Kay back out there and they may hang in there for awhile but I still think Adelaide blow this open late

It's a causation thing that is keeping Perth in it. They're offense is helping their defence.

That is, them making shots = Adelaide can't run/push = put Adelaide into a half-court game = reduce ADL scoring = better defense

If they can continue making shots they stay in it, but if they miss a bunch and ADL push they are in trouble.

Sometimes offense is the best type of defence I guess!

Jervis is a DNP so far. With them going a single postup player in their lineup he is suddenly superfluous to their requirements this game at least. Perth would be happy to be down 2 considering they gave up 32 points in the paint and points off turnovers is 10 to 0.

Wiley's story pretty impressive, have to say.

No thanks. Enjoyed his story though. I'd rate it ahead of Cadee's car accident and Kev White being forced to drive 40 minutes down the Princes Highway.

Yeah great story on Jacob Wiley. Great to see people use basketball to overcome adversity in their personal lives

Jervis isn't playing because he will get cut if the Wildcats keep losing. Lose to Adelaide and Melbourne then 3rd import will be here. Jervis goes to Brisbane where his wife is.

No idea why Jervis chose to go back to Perth. He's a loyal guy and wants championships but his family is in Brisbane. His heart just isn't in it.

Cutting Jervis is a win win for the Wildcats and for Jervis.

Everyone has a story to tell, not just sports people, but everyone. Wiley is no special.

Wiley's dad was one of those white Americans who can't ball.

OFFS

Gees Cotton is a genius creating his own shot.. catch is Perth needs another 15 or 20 just the same

It's one thing to front the post, another thing to do it fundamentally correct. Have to hook back the high foot and spin back off the reverse pivot. Adelaide track meet again to start the third

Wiley doing OK for himself. Fairly special I'd say.

Kay gets another foul so perth rush their offence... a corner three in transition is asking to get scored on..

Gleeson basically said nothing in the huddle that was constructive.

Perth are well and truly cooked. Sixers by plenty and more. 2019 3 wins v Perth guarantee

When you don't go to school of course you'll send your frustrated father to be an alcoholic

Yeah a postup.. Perth needs more postups, their overall points per possession of postup plays would be interesting to see- no doubt more efficient than anything else they do

Perth should improve their transition defence. Only have 1 crashing the boards and get the other 4 back ASAP

Jervis isn't playing because he will get cut if the Wildcats keep losing. Lose to Adelaide and Melbourne then 3rd import will be here.

Adelaides only problem is recognising when the defense is back on their run outs and not forcing the play and turning it over. They get that right they win this by 30

Mitch Norton can't finish

Thanks KR.. yes they need 7 games to qualify. Bear in mind Adelaide are a smaller running team so Jervis would be more suited to the Melbourne, Sydney, NZ matchups

Some serious home cooking here

betting unders in this league is juste a waste of money , crazy the amount of shoots and fouls and 3's they taking per minute...and i'm not talking about the defense..crazy

Adelaide run good half court offense, just need that recognition to know the difference between that and a runout- it's a read obviously

Wagstaff didn't even touch Deng

Teys schools Damo. An era has officially ended.

Gleeson did tell them to post Brandt out of the timeout and it produced a score, and now a foul. I'm not a Gleeson fan but the players on the floor can’t get sucked into Adelaide’s track meet tempo.. "wide pin down" on this play by 36ers, let’s have a look

Is McVeigh ADHD?

Screener flares vs slower defender, nice quick hitter

Hire is no threat from the 3, can't guard out high off the dribble or running cut, which is Adelaide’s game basically.. what is he doing out there? This lady 2:50 is danger time for Perth

Silly play by Jervis, all
He needed was fundamental foot work, he had position

Deng flops

Rest my case on Hire, doesn't suit this style of game or the matchups. They are too quick and rangy for him

Even the average under 12s player ain't gonna bite on the Greg hire 3 point shot fake

What did I call at the start- Adelaide 97 Perth 78.. I'm sticking with that

Everyone has a story to tell, not just sports people, but everyone. Wiley is no special.

Good effort to muck that up from that range, Tom

Perth 122 half court trap back to 122 zone. At least it's a change up, nothing to lose here. Going by the numbers Perth can’t score more than 16 in a quarter, 20 at a stretch.. so Adelaide scores 10 and it’s over

Gleeson is a great recruiter. Much better than Nielson who got us Jaron Johnson.

Perth are junk

Still a reasonably tight margin; and especially dangerous if Cotton gets going.

Gleeson is a great recruiter, which is why limiting him to 2 imports is exposing him. He isn't a great strategic coach by any means but he sure can recruit and pick talent

Perth 122 half court trap back to 122 zone. At least it's a change up, nothing to lose here. Going by the numbers Perth can't score more than 16 in a quarter, 20 at a stretch.. so Adelaide scores 10 and it’s over

Perth now playing a sagging man to man, packline style. Looks like a zone but they are trying to protect the paint

perth downfall is ugly

JR, please stop.

Agreed Luuuc, it's also the rule changes, FIBA has literally outlawed defense. And we are now in our 30’s so that tends to impact lateral quickness

Either a 3rd import comes in or Gleeson goes out. You cant keep burying your head in the sand saying 'this group can do it' whilst continuing to dish up bad losses

Tightening of the rules has affected everyone, but personnel turnover and age have not been kind to our D in particular

Agreed and agreed to the last 2 posts :)

Agreed and agreed to the last 2 posts :)

Posting up against a size mismatch is sad to watch. Kay is what? 6'5 and Froling 6’10

Do Adelaide have a spare backboard?
Conger breaking this one might be our only chance to escape without a loss

Interesting Adelaide are not switching now, first time I have seen it in a very long time. Maybe prepping for Melbourne who exploit it

Sympathy whistle for Damo there

Player scores more than 2 points
COREY HOMOCIDE WILLIAMS: Player come here to play

This has been satisfying.

Bye, Felicia.

Sorry Luuuc they will replace it and Tiny Pinder has been retired a very long time

Cheer up Perth fans, your team is still in the top 4 and will make finals again for the fourth consecutive century. Plus Terrico is showing his closing skills in the fourth.

White does look ominous.

But... that block party.

97-78.. I could be right.. but rather hit the powerball numbers just quietly haha

Muppets on tv. What are these refs watching. Replays waste time.

Maybe not :)

lol @ Joey telling Bruce to shoot it at the end.

Wildcats are lacking athleticism. Definitely need an athletic big next season... Or now

What is actually going on in Perth? They've been the most dominant franchise for the longest time. Genuine question for Perth fans - I haven't been following the slide all that closely.

Was on the under 181.5 pts with 50 $ on it for a 100 $ return...better check my girlfriend when I come home

2-8.

Gotta love McVeigh

Good win by Adelaide, just took the game away from us in the 2nd half. As a Perth fan I'm over this crap, home or away we are being out-coached and out-husstled. Time to be ruthless with personnel either on court or in the front office. A 10-1 start cant be wasted.

Pretty much as expected. Adelaide shouldn't celebrate too hard they got Sydney and I think they lose that one. The wildcats, another loss and The Look! As I said before a good plan is flexible and another import is something they should change their mind on. Their is too much talent in this league to expect us to win with this lineup. White played great, Cotton got doubled on every ball screen forcing him to give it up, as such he only had 10 fga’s in 34 mins. Steindl should’ve played more, may have been injured and Hire shouldn’t have been out there.

I don't understand the numpties who think this is all Gleeson's fault.

He has little to play with given the bench he is working with this year.

It's a major transition, and yes I agree we have kept on player we shouldn't have for sentimental reasons.....

IF we make finals. That's as far as we go. But the core to build around is decent.


God I'm angry... Why am I trying to justify this...

AngusH Joey telling him to shoot it was thinking about the head to head at the end if tied for a position. He was right

46 to 27 rebounds says it all

46 to 27 rebounds says it all

We (Perth) suck.
Congrats to Adelaide.

"We (Perth) suck."

Told you all. Over a month ago. Too late now.

Next 7 games:

Home vs Melbourne
Home vs Adelaide
Away vs Sydney
Home vs Illawarra
Home vs Sydney
Home vs Adelaide
Away vs Melbourne

Brisbane have a much easier run and Adelaide's is slightly easier. Long story short, I don’t see Wildcats beating either Melbourne or Sydney which means the two against Adelaide and one against Illawarra are must wins. The next two games between Adelaide and Perth probably decides which one makes the playoffs. The playoff streak is in serious jeopardy. Guinness book of records may show it as 32 seasons and over

Wasn't expecting another insipid display from the cats again today. Credit to adelaide for their D and rebounding dominance but to be honest its pretty easy against this cats side at the moment. Playoff streak will finally come to an end this season. I cant see them getting out of this slump.

The next two games between Adelaide and Perth probably decides which one makes the playoffs.

Yeah, IMO this was the one we had to win to realistically keep the playoff hopes alive

KR I agree with most you post on here, and I agree again but u did tell me I was wrong in Dec when I said I response to Perthworld (in agreement) that the playoffs were questionable.. they didn't beat Cairns did they?

@ JR; is the point differential tie breaker still a thing? I didn't think it was?

AngusH as a coach you always try to cover all possibilities. You will be right more than likely but you try to cover all bases. I think Larry Bird said it best- as a player with 2 mins to go and up 4 you figure you got this won, as a coach you figure we can still lose this.

Point differential between teams is gone, replaced with point differential over the season.

@JR, I assumed they wouldn't fall so far as to lose to Cairns. Don't think I was alone there.

KR for sure and I understand. No big deal hey.
I put it at 70/30 or even 80/20 wildcats are not making playoffs, what do you think?

The four sides currently in the top 4 will be the 4 sides who finish in the top 4.

Perth needs 3 wins, and they'll achieve it including against Adelaide in Perth. Adelaide losing to Brisbane at home was the nail in the coffin, Brisbane have played brilliantly this year and will make a deserved spot in the finals.

This game was exactly what I'd hope Adelaide do on a consistent basis. I'd go so far to say Adelaide would do very well to keep this team for next year (including expensive Conger, keeping Sobey etc).

Rebounding -Tick
Defence - Holy Sh*t, Finally, Tick
Even Spread of Contributors - Tick
Energy - Tick

Sobey - Played a very good game without scoring much, great point guard game, passing, decision making and defence.

The difference between this game and last game is he fed off the energy and contribution of others, he wasnt required to get scores so he wasnt taking clunk clunk clunk shots. Sobey is a barometer for the 36ers.

Johnson - Racks up points even though he didnt appear dominating, a good solid game from the captain. Moved the ball well, didn't get into the forcing it style game.

Conger - Good game, he's starting to fit into the team well now. Having him and Wiley was beneficial tonight in the super hot weather to always have a speedy athletic forward.

Wiley - Love the aggression, didn't do anything silly or over the top. One of his best games as a 36er.

Mcveigh - Good energy and contribution, 36ers need more of that and consistently to develop depth.

Froling - Loves, like Drmic, to get into the verbal stuff, but this bloke has developed sensationally this season and is a favourite of mine the way he is going. Some slick foot work, a good touch and best of all, the rebounding.

Teys - Has had a good season coming off the bench and providing key little contributions, harder to do than most people think - respect for that.

Deng - Playing himself back into form. Deng isn't terrific at opening space for himself, so he makes a living shooting over people or off balance. They are tough shots - if you miss, it's not surprising. Deng hits them at a ridiculously good rate for the difficulty. Hopefully he understands that and puts confidence and trust aside and plays his style - that will help him produce what he did last few games, and most of last year.

You know u are one of the few whose opinion I respect, you will notice I don't respond to some

"Guinness book of records may show it as 32 seasons and over"

Why would it be in the Guinness Book of Records when it isn't even the record in world sport let alone pro basketball?

KR for sure and I understand. No big deal hey.
I put it at 70/30 or even 80/20 wildcats are not making playoffs, what do you think?

KET really nice write up, however the 36ers are one of those teams that the more they play the better they get, they will come home strong because their only weakness is recognition and smart teams being able to punish the switch. As time runs they turn weaknesses into strengths and play better. I think wildcats are not making playoffs, love or hate Homocide he called it weeks ago along with a couple of others including yours truly. Perthworld did too for all the shit people level at him on here

Perthworld I thought it was world record but I stand to be corrected. Maybe I listen to the news too much, not the first time they have reported incorrect so called "facts".

but I'd say 97/3.

Haha.. maybe u are right I was being way too conservative

AFAIK the only streak that beats them is Maccabi Tel-Aviv in the Israeli league, where they've won the last 35-odd championships because they're the only pro team in the competition.

I have trouble counting that.

Maybe I was "respecting the bloodline".. which is a way of thinking that has infested the organisation in a negative way this year

Oh of course, that is a different equation with maccabi and Euroleague teams playing their local leagues such as in Israel, France, Spain and Adria league. Fair call, I called it wrong but it has been reported on the news here in Perth that 32 straight is a world record.. my bad for believing it. I stand corrected :)

@JR the club in their arrogance proclaimed a world record a few seasons ago without doing any research; media at first repeated the claims but later everyone realised it wasn't and stopped saying it.

@KR it is a pro league it's just that Maccabi Tel Aviv spend more than any other club which is a typical European style system when you have promotion/relegation, no salary cap and a team from the capital with enormous backing from sponsors.

Even so, it's clearly not a top-tier competition. If they do that in the Euroleague we can talk.

It's the professional national basketball league of Israel. You can't just ignore that.

@Perthworld they reported it last season on Channel 10. Not saying it was correct but it was reported

From my understanding. If we count the cats streak under teams with a postseason + a salary cap (which is a stretch sure), in a pro league (which would exclude certain ice hockey league's that have 50+ yr records)

Then they would need to get to 35 season to be ranked #1 in the world interested those criteria.

Technically 34 because they would be in front by default by it still being active.

Not really an easy "record" to research

Perthworld did too for all the shit people level at him on here

@Flop Warning correct, still short of an NHL team from memory. But don't tell the club that.

Legitimately speaking I agree with KR, belittle it as much as you like but 32 straight is pretty awesome in the highest league the team plays in. Having said that it looks like it ends this season

We were 7th of 8 playoff teams in a 11 team that one season...

Hey you wanna talk records, the Harlem Globetrotters are unbeaten since the 50's so I guess the rules of engagement need to be defined

We were 7th of 8 playoff teams in a 11 team that one season...

And your point is?

Gleeson made some bad decisions tonight. Didn't protect his bigs at all. Starts Kay in the 2nd qtr when he is on 2 fouls, of course he gets his 3rd, puts him on in the 3rd and of course he gets his 4th. Bad, bad, bad.

Yeah we got super lucky that a massive playoff expansion coincided with the retirement of that core group.

I guess the flop call has disappeared again. No wonder players flop when you get the all clear with a charge from the refs.

"Not really an easy "record" to research"

Agreed and I haven't

@PW I did a heap of research into it a few years ago when I wrote an "opinion" piece about it.

I have the info on my laptop somewhere. I'll see if I can find it. The responses I got made me question literally everything I wrote.

It's bloody impossible to place it amongst so many different sports. Soccer makes it so hard given their "lack of cap" almost worldwide in what we would consider "pro league's"

But imo. There are two ice hockey teams the cats will never reach. (One was def +50, both might have been) and another. Which I can't for the life of me remember what sport it was... That was the closest in setup to the nbl. That had a 34 season record that ended mid 2000's.


However you look at it. The cats don't hold a world record. But they do have a very impressive streak that few teams worldwide in any sport can boast

Point is I created my own personal irrelevant qualifier out there as kr did.

Yeah, that was one of the dodgier years - bit of luck by Perth

How it wasn't top 6.... classic old days of random stupid decisions by NBL

Yeah no a single flop call this season but how many last year? Every game there was at least one I think form memory

The guy screaming out during Sixers free throws sure went quiet in the 4th. Must of lost his voice.

@Flop Warning I remember that as I was the anon on here at the time who originally pointed out the incorrect facts coming out of the club in embarrassing press releases re: world record and gave Maccabi as an example in just the sport of basketball, plus those NHL sides.

(I follow a lot of sports.)

Point is I created my own personal irrelevant qualifier out there as kr did.

Yeah but they did make playoffs didn't they? As I said I agreed with you weeks ago so I respect your opinion but they made the playoffs that year, picking and choosing what is right and wrong in playoff qualifying is splitting hairs. One could argue things like that in the which ever way they please. Better just stick to facts I believe, but each to their own. What did Dirty Harry day about opinions?

Agreed with you JR, but not with kr's argument re: him "feeling" the Israeli league somehow doesn't count.

Flop Warning I remember that as I was the anon on here at the time who originally pointed out the incorrect facts coming out of the club in embarrassing press releases re: world record

I guess I missed that one :)

@Perthworld.. each to their own, it's down to personal opinion isn’t it? KR stayed soemthung that would be like the Wildcats playing WA SBL, I can see his point

https://www.hoops.com.au/forum/36569-wildcats-equal-world-record-for-consecutive-post-s/#p517209

@PW my article wasn't on here. I'm new to this site. So I honestly don't know what was said about it on this site (or if anything was said about it)

I wasn't writing it as a cats fan. Well I was... But I also disagreed with the idea that it was a record.

I wanted to know the truth... Several years later... I still have no fkn idea hahaha.

Well I linked to the discussion on here.

Was it an article you wrote on The Roar or a site similar to it? As I do vaguely recall one.

I do recall media outlets such as Ten and The West running with it for a while too. *cringe*

@Perthworld I made the mistake of believing Channel 10 and I usually don't.. as I said earlier I stand corrected. It’s not such a powerful factor in my life that I go to the trouble of researching it and for that I apologise

I hate fake news ;)

I never wrote an article on The Roar in my life, in fact didn't know it existed til you mentioned it. As I said I stand corrected, I didn’t research it but hey I don’t really give a shot, happy to take you for your word

@JR exactly.

It's possible to spin it to say the cats hold the world record. Without too much effort.

But the criteria that needs to be applied makes it almost redundant.


The record is impressive. But it isn't #1 worldwide. And like I said earlier. I would be happy to admit they have #1 under certain criteria if they got to 35. But as it stands.... No


Even then... It's a stretch


Doesn't make it less impressive. Just one of those things. You can't compare all sports worldwide as if they are equal.. the nbl is not a tier 1 league. So that does take away a small amount of credibility. And I AM a very very passionate cats fan.

If anyone wants to do their own research. I have one piece of advice.

Don't do it... It will drive you insane trying to figure it.

Fake news.. don't get me started, I never watch the news so there u go but for some stupid reason I occasionally watch the sport report.. maybe I shouldn’t haha

JR I was talking to Flop Warning re: article etc.

@Perthworld- my bad, I get a lot of ppl trying to guess my real identity over here. Apologies for jumpinnthe gun

Adelaide provided some of the
Most exciting dunks. Perth had some handy flops....

@Flopwarning.. agree with what u say, rules of engagement are not defined therefore is open to interpretation ie. ones own personal opinion

And let's be honest, they are 97% chance not to make the playoffs which is something on rethinking I must agree with. Too inefficient offensively and they can’t grind it down to a low scoring game as they could years ago which is something Luuuc referred to

Jr you may be overlooking something quite valid.

In the last two rds they play melb and Syd. Plus adl

It is in Mel or Syd's best interest to lock in a series against Perth.

There will be a gift win in the last two rds. And possibly 2.

They just need to win 1 game against adl and I'm confident they will make finals on the back of strategic tanking

Cats for Life, did you stay to the end? I hope my fellow Adelaideans were hospitable to you and your family.

Was that you making the noise during the 36er free throws, they missed a few, so good job.

Anyway don't get too down and let tonight ruin your stay.

Oh and there is a HJ's at the eastern end of Rundle Mall so enjoy your cheeseburgers.

@Flopwarning- that kind of thinking is dangerous. To be a championship team you have to take on all comers and styles on any day and any arena.. picking and choosing you opponents is simply imbuilding the habit that you can "flick the switch" to get the win. It's also practicing losing by design.. Very dangerous and anyone who is a competitor either as a player or coach knows it is pure folly. You must play to win always or you won’t its a simple as that. The eventual champion team will win because they perform consistently at in and day out

*day in and day out

Typo again.. iPhones suck with phat fingers :)

We are talking about melb and Syd here...

They have been buying championships for a fair while in recent history. And they have 1 between them.

I'm confident in what I said given how they have approached things.

The cats are a 1% chance as things stand ATM for the championship. Yet of the contenders for 4th spot (this being my argument. The team finishing first choosing their opponent, which is kinda doable in this season) both melb and Syd will feel they have Perth's number more so than the other contenders.

I won't be at all surprised when one or both (depending on circumstances) rest their stars in preparation for the finals.

You can't tell me that you can't already see it happening? Well I suppose you can, and I'll be shocked... But remember which teams we are talking about here.

@Flop Warning- if they do they don't know what winningnor championship demeanour is all about. What more can I say. I’m sure they won’t as they are professional outfits, I couldn’t see the likes of Bogut or Ware and Co going for that type of thinking. If they aren’t good enough to beat Adelaide/ Brisbane then they don’t deserve to be champions and that is the way they will approach it believe me. Have u ever coached before? I have and believe me what I say is a fact

Gleeson needs to go.

Why burn Cooton out and only give Steindl 5 mins.

Has a team ever started 10-1 but missed playoffs??

I am a coach of 2 juniors teams... Basically I pull my hair out a fair bit. It's not the same thing. But I wanted to answer the question.

I also don't think the players have as much say as you are alluding to. It's kinda like listening to everyone on here who thinks Gleeson is the only issue at the cats.

If they are told to sit... They sit. Bogut is a good on court coach (something the king's have been lacking for AGES.) I actually think the king's are a well run team, it's not because of gaze. Kinda like Gleeson's first championship with the cats... Martin was the coach.

Arrogance does wonderful and horrible things... Just look at the cats.

Na, had to leave about 5 minutes to go, daughter was getting abused and it was pissing me off. So better to walk away, enjoyed the atmosphere and seeing perth play away and now watching on tv I can visualise how it is.

Other than the abuse and air con, I really enjoyed the stadium bit far from the city but all good.

As for the game, to many stupid turnovers and kay and big Angus got called for a few questionable calls. That's the difference playing at home and away, ref's are the same everywhere but everybody just focuses on perth but yet now there losing I haven't heard anything?

"I am a coach of 2 juniors teams... Basically I pull my hair out a fair bit."

Haha.. we do that at all levels and we have all coached juniors. But seriously would you go into a game not trying to win? Winning is a habit, unfortunately so is losing which is why I say that kind of thinking is dangerous- to be the champions you have it take on all styles and comers, any day any arena- surely you would understand that even if coaching u12's.

Not every team I coached was a championship, in fact few were but the thinking doesn’t change. But the odd occasion we did win believe me we played so winevwty game, even when we got a bad blow out loss.

Cats for Life- it’s sad to hear you had a bad experience at the game. The game is for us all to enjoy and that sounds like something from the Boston-LA game 7 1984 where the odd Laker fan was thrown over the balcony in the old Boston Garden. That type of behaviour has no place in our sport and regardless of allegiances you should not be harassed physically, period! That has no place in our sport and I’m sorry to hear that

*we played to win every game

Previous typo.. would be cool if they had edit for the stupid ones like me lol

I just saw Koberulz thread on hot starting teams collapsing I guess that answers my question.

Still Perth are not officially eliminated... yet.

My daughter is 5 years old and a bit overweight and people as we are leaving giving her shit! A 5 year old. Understand violence does not solve anything but when you're daughter is copping shit and crying I was close to going back. Luckily I wasn't drinking because of the air con.

@Hogwash- no they aren't and that’s the beautiful thing anout this game isn’t it? It comes down to who wins on the night, my guess is Perth are done though. Time will tell is the truth

I've gone into plenty of games not trying to win, but to follow a basic plan.

Don't get me wrong. I was planning to win every game. And that may not always be the message I tell the team... Well usually it's more of a "team message" directed at individuals in a way that doesn't have the parents of one or two particular individuals abusing me afterwards.

In one team I'm dealing with a no scoring policy... Which is a load of wank. Every kid on the court knows the score and so do the parents.

What I'm getting at is this. I'm not comparing my situation to that of actual coaches. I'm just a father who has some knowledge, and more time and/knowledge than the other father's/mother's

My goal as a coach has always been to make the kids enjoy playing, and trying to make them better... Unfortunately is secondary. That doesn't always sit well with me. But it's the job I signed up for.

@Cats for Life- well done mate, hope your daughter is okay. Ignorant people say ignorant things and or was a game full of feeling and emotion but watch the players- they all shake hands and (behind closed doors) usually share a beer after the game together. After all it's just a game and yes, we want to win but it’s just a game

"Don't get me wrong. I was planning to win every game"

Which is what I was saying yeah?

Parents.. yes point taken. Can I be honest?
My philosophy with the club officials was “if they (parents) have a problem you must direct the them to have our out with ***** (substitute my name here) and communicate with me as the coach as I make the decisions!” Maybe experience of 20+ odd years coaching helps here but sometime club officials can make things harder out of good intentions.

It's like a parent who tells his kid “no he vannktbjave an ice cream”. If he runs to the other parent and that aren’t gives a different answer then a three way battle of wills transpires that no one can win from.

Honestly, back in the 1990’s I read a great book on the psychology of coaching written by Pat Riley called “The Winner Within”.. please find a copy and have a read. I guarantee you it will set a lot of things straight about things like this. Many years later I have learnt a lot more but this book contains a lot of great advice about how to handle “preripheral enemies” as he phrases it.

Good luck to you, anyone who is prepared to invest time and effort in bettering our sport without monetary gain as I am sure you are is deserving of praise and parents don’t always see things this way.

Usually parents are too scared to mess with me and when they see the team winning more and playing better than they ever did before they become yoirngreatest advocates, even if it is in insight or begrudgingly.

Wish you well with your coaching, stick at it and please read that book it’s a great mindset focus.

*no he cannot have ice cream

For the typo

Again :)

I'll just type it again cos so many errors

"
Don't get me wrong. I was planning to win every game"

Which is what I was saying yeah?

Parents.. yes point taken. Can I be honest?
My philosophy with the club officials was “if they (parents) have a problem you must direct the them to have our out with ***** (substitute my name here) and communicate with me as the coach as I make the decisions!" Maybe experience of 20+ odd years coaching helps here but sometime club officials can make things harder out of good intentions.

It's like a parent who tells his kid “no he cannot have an ice cream”. If he runs to the other parent and that says a different answer then a three way battle of wills transpires that no one can win from.

Honestly, back in the 1990’s I read a great book on the psychology of coaching written by Pat Riley called “The Winner Within”.. please find a copy and have a read. I guarantee you it will set a lot of things straight about things like this. Many years later I have learnt a lot more but this book contains a lot of great advice about how to handle “preripheral enemies” as he phrases it.

Good luck to you, anyone who is prepared to invest time and effort in bettering our sport and players without monetary gain as I am sure you are is deserving of praise and parents don’t always see things this way.

These days is usually parents are too scared to mess with me because they come to practice, see me teaching concepts well beyond their knowledge and then when they see the team winning more and playing the kids playing better than they ever did before they become your greatest advocates, even if it is in hindsight (which means they will admit it) or begrudgingly.

Wish you well with your coaching, stick at it and please read that book it’s a great mindset focus. I wish you well and respect you always for your small part in bettering our sport!

Hahaha

I figured all your typos out. But appreciate the effort in re-typing. I am terrible on phone's too. I keep getting screwed by autocorrect. I will get a copy of that book ordered tomorrow.

I'll be sticking with it. I have 5 boys in my family between me,my brother and sister, all under 3 yrs old.

I have a basketball team in the making (hopefully) might as well learn how to teach them properly

"no-one really cares."

I'm good with that :) let’s keep it that way

@Flop Warning

Good on you! Good luck brother

Anon, give it a rest. Cats put more heat on the rim and looked to be playing well again early. A few quick and cheap fouls on their bigs, cotton amd terico getting hit on penetration, not geting the calls and they went back to shooting corner threes... not smart. They actually improved in significamt patches, could have easily had a few more fta, kay could have not been rendered non existent on a couple of very soft calls, maybe the game goes the other way. Re watch the first quarter, funny how the adelaide run was on the back of some cheap fouls on kay and brandt and terrico getting absolutley smashed from behind on a layup attempt. Did it change the result, maybe, maybe not, but it sure made for a noticeable change in momentum.

"He has little to play with given the bench he is working with this year."

Gleeson's rotations have been terrible this year. Appalling in fact.

Classic example, knowing that they need offense, how Steindl only gets 5 minutes last night is puzzling (ironically he goes 1-1 from 3 in those 5 minutes).

How Wagstaff and Hire get triple and double the amount of game time of Steindl is ridicolous.

Wagstaff/Hire go a combined 1/11 for 2 points.

Steindl scores more than that on just 1 shot.

Perth hitting shots early, I thought here we go, Sixers are going to play another team into form. Vague hitting 3pt, Martin hitting 3pts, Cotton being Cotton. Sixers got going a bit, but they struggle to get stops. Perth started going inside and basically scored everytime. When Martin hit his second 3pt I thought uh, oh. But Sixers adjusted, played zone and stayed with Cotton, didn't even give him enough room to even take a breath. Congers last couple of games have been really good. He is defending well, doing little things like covering teammates, and is putting the ball in the hoop. He is looking more confident and comfortable every game.
The only thing Hire seems to do is foul. He cannot help himself. Trying to be the tough guy.

Did Cotton show any signs of being laboured by injury? I didn't watch

Manu

No, but he's been labouring under the burden of carrying the team.

"Steindl went one from one last night but is very streakie, and Perth we're thinking of playing defensively which isn't Steindl strong area."

Which would make sense if Hire or Wagstaff were good defenders, even decent at least, but they are not.

Both have poor lateral quickness and cannot contain players off the dribble. They rely on muscling up opponents to defend, but I wouldn't say they are effective by any stretch.

Thanks UseTaHoop, that's great to hear

I agree that it was our D more than our O that was the main problem last night. We had one scoring drought in the 1st but mostly the scoreboard kept ticking over - especially considering Kay & Brandt were limited by foul trouble. It was one of Terrico's better games IMO and Vague was active.

I like Steindl because I'm a sucker for a good long bomber, but I acknowledge that his D is a problem, and more to the point in the back half of the season opposition teams are making a point of going at him. So I don't know that he would have been the answer last night, but you don't know unless you actually give it a try and he barely got a look. Plus it's not like anyone else on the team was slowing anyone down.

I don't remember a time in the Bevo-Gleeson era that our defence has looked this ineffective. JR made a fair point about today's rule interpretations making lock-down defence much harder, but there are still times when other teams will bother us by playing aggressive defence, whereas we rarely seem to manage it anymore. More often that not when we try it, it gets easily beaten resulting in a gimme basket. Gleeson & Martin mentioned it in the press conference so I'll be interested to see how we respond. But in a team that has always relied on good D to build offensive momentum, it's a significant loss when that avenue dries up. Gleeson has never been known for quality half court offence.

I'm still not going to spit it though. I don't exect a title run every season (that is unrealistic, spoiled fan behaviour IMO), and I think that renovating our aussie core by adding Kay & Norton was the right thing to do for the long term even though it hurt our flexibility this season.

Watching Teys drive by Martin was a low point but I still managed a chuckle.

It wasn't a bad game. Sixers simply outplayed us.
Positive was Whites game. Top scored at a good clip.
Big concern for me was the way we got clobbered on the boards, and our overall poor defence.

What the fuck are you smoking? That was a fucking dreadful performance by the Cats.

Were you watching a different game Dazz?
White was good but Cotton only had 10.
Kay had a night to forget and as usual the bench was non existent.

Don't actually address any of the points raised anon, just troll instead. Keep up the good work.

I think Perth's biggest problem is trying to keep the band together too long. IMO it's obvious Martin has played on a year too long, Jervis is shot, Hire was very fortunate to get another contract this season and Wagstaff looks like he might only have one or at best two years left in him.

You can't really get rid of everyone in one hit without possibly damaging team culture so I think Martin, Jervis and maybe Hire will get tapped on the shoulder and Wagstaff will probably go around again next season.

I agree with others that Perth were quite shrewd in nabbing Kay & Norton and locking them in long term as there was always going to be some sort of transition period from the old guard to them but the team probably hoped that they would keep the playoff streak alive during that transitioning period but it's starting to look like they perhaps erred in keeping the old guard around a bit too long.

Jervis and Hire are done.
Wagstaff if he comes back on a cheaper deal might be worth keeping.
Vague shows promise but isn't ready for big role yet.

Martin has a few more years in him, but would bring him off the bench playing max 15 minutes a game and let Norton become the on court leader with Martin mentoring him.

coupla nice runs from sixers and bench players very good ...
refs must've been pretty bad to allow that ...

Surely Norton no longer requires a mentor, has been in the league seven seasons (8 if you include his development player year cut short to 5 games) and been a key player for the past 4 seasons.

I think now is the time for him to step up (like he did earlier this season) and take on more responsibility.

He needs a mentor for leadership and to take more of a vocal load. He's all around game is fine, next step is leadership and I don't feel I've ever seen him in that position.

Cats for life - REALLY sorry to hear that. Inexcusable. I sat next to a Cats fan last time they were here. We sucked and I had a qtr of grumbling... then chatted to him for 3 quarters about all things NBL. Was actually really cool hearing a non-Adl point of view from another NBL fan.

Hope you enjoy the rest of your stay and your daughter is well and happy.

Yea really enjoyed adelaide, great city went to glenelg to the festival this evening and it was great.

All in all was a very relaxing 5 days, of to home tomorrow and I would definitely return again.

Thanks for the kind words and end of the day it's just a game and no need to be keyboard warriors on here.

"hahaha but sixers simply outplayed you. that's no big deal. nothing to worry about. just like how every other team in the league simply outplayed you. it doesn't mean you are bad it just means that every other team is much more good"

Sorry, what I meant to go on and say was that in isolation, it wasn't bad, and there were actually some positives.
But yes, last 7 or 8 games (or whatever it is) have been deplorable.

Great to hear, Cat. Safe trip.