Troy will surely replace an underperforming import mid season just like he did this time last year. Oh...

Can we just have one official "massively overreact to your team's latest game" thread?

23 of 52 tells it all. Bogut non factor. Sydney sloppy first half.

As usual at finals time they will be WHITE hot !

Huge overreaction. Perth will be fine.

They're 11-3.

Their bigger issues are more about allocation of minutes because they have depth (which is actually a good problem).

One of the things I've seen this year is that they look better with Norton out there than Martin.

MACDUB, Norton had clearly Perth's worst +/- until recently, so that's not true over the whole season, but that is starting to improve. He's still in the bottom half of that list, and below Martin, but the trend is positive.

"if you're on with bench most times your +/- should not be as good as starters"

That doesn't really make sense, teams often have their bench with better +/- than their starters. Brisbane, Adelaide, Illawarra and Sydney are all in that basket at the moment.

As for Norton, if you're clearly your teams worst +/- that usually suggests something. In his case I'd say it was a lot to do with a new PG trying to fit into a well-established system.

Main point is, for most of this year Perth haven't been better on the scoreboard with Norton on than Martin, but that has started to change with Norton finding a niche where he can help the team.

I do agree with the critisms of the +/- stats but also concede that taken over a period of time, not just a game or two, the +/- is good. Shows the genral outcome(s) when player is on/off the court.

Thinking positively, looking at the +/- stat may even tell who (or whom???), on your team, play well together etc.

Exactly. When you're clearly the worst for your team in a season you can't really blame others! Alternatively, if you're clearly the best for your team then it's hard for others to take credit. It's in the middle that it gets murkier.

It is a crucial stat for coaches though, if you've got good players who are negatively impacting the scoreboard when they're on the floor over a number of games, you've got to dig deeper and find out why and adjust offences/defences/combinations etc depending on what you find.

I like White but I thought Perth would be better if they went for a 3 man who can play a bit of 4 when Kay slides over to the 5.
Steindl has proved he is more than capable of being back up 2 and can play 3. Wagstaff has taken a step back this season so another forward would be ideal.

The 2 teams who supposedly can't win a title with an import who is white are currently #1 an #2 on the ladder so I don't think it's panic stations for either of them.

FMD I will punch the next person who says "we're 11 and 3"
We're 1 & 2 against the only teams that matter, and by rights it should 0 & 3.

So the the OP is partially correct, we can't win a ring if we can't beat Sydney or Melbourne.

And whilst clearly he isn't the worst player, I think the point is that he's the most easily replaced.

The alternative is that Wagstaff retires, and is replaced by an import.
That would be a close run thing. By my count, he needs to play 21 games to reach 300, and leaving the bare minimum 7 to qualify an import. Plus I don't know if the Wildcats would deprive him of a shot at another ring.

Be interesting to see what happens.
White is clearly a better outside shooter than JP, but on the whole I preferred JP's intensity,
I actually think we look better when Hire or Stiendl as at the 3. But thats just a personal preference.

We're 11-3.

Come at me bro.

5 straight now on the road it gets tougher now but Perth will finish with 6 of 9 on the road.

White is good not great but I still think a 3/4 import would've been better.

it seems you gotta play against 8 , while you only got 5 on the court.

Geezuz, I'm embarrassed to be a Cats fan with some of the ridiculous comments coming out in this forum. White did his job, in fact Cats did a great job, but made bonehead mistakes right when it mattered, and decided the game was won earlier than it was.

Norton and Cotton making retarded fouls when Kings were in the bonus, yep, lop their heads off. Fuck sake.

White's job is to put up his solid numbers which he has done for the most part, Cotton is there to win us games. Cotton has won multiple games for us off his own back all season, he's not going to do it every single game.

Cats are fine, the league is better than it ever has been, and the competition has risen another level (in the top bracket of teams anyway).

"Why do you assume that the stupid comments about Perth only come from Cats fans?"

I don't, I just ignore the stupid ones from non Cats fans.

My troll detector is high, I usually can tell the Cats supporters from the haters.

"So is OP a Cats fan?"

My comments weren't based OP, but I'll take a crack and say it's NOT a Cats supporter.

That huge choke job could cost Perth top spot. Lose tonight and they have the same amount of losses as Sydney and the Kings have the tie breaker

I'll be honest, White is a fucking frustrating player to watch. His percentage is piss poor, because some of the shots he puts up are just shit, and unbelievably so. You can hear 13,000 people groan even as it leaves his hand. I can't recall anybody so frustrating.

Don't misunderstand me, I'd rather be kicked in the balls than watch Hire/Vague/Wagstaff try to shoot threes, but White will hit a brilliant shot, nothing but net, and then the next throw up absolute shite.

As I said at the time, we only won the last encounter because CG got injured (and lets be honest some serendipitous foul calls) so tonight's game will be telling. Lose, and we are realistically 0:4 against top teams.

As for not being happy, well yes, shock, I'm not happy when my team loses. Especially at home, especially when they piss away a big lead, and especially against a numpty like Gaze.

I'd normally be a bit more sanguine about tonight's game, being away, but after losing on Friday, I am hoping for redemption

Gaze a numpty.
AD/Dazz I totally agree with you on that one.

I would say that the underlying premise is correct.
Wildcats won't win a championship as things stand. Whether replacing white is the panacea, is I suppose up for debate.

Thread title

"Perth cant win a Chamionship with White"

Actually, no nne can ”win a Chamionship with any team.” No team can “cant” anything either.

Red Army so panicky they've lost their last remnants of written communication.

He's a cheap import as he lost his athleticism after injury. Well said OP. #cheapout

Well that's damning.

When you're an import in a starting role and playing worse in fourth quarters than a guy who's still high-school aged, you're in trouble.

And when you're signed as a perimeter shooter, and you're shooting 27% from three, you're in trouble.

He is shooting 50% from two, but there's an 85% outlier screwing with the results, none of his other games were better than about 35%.

Alot of his poor play has to go towards Gleeson, absolutely everything is run for Cotton, White is forced to create all of his own scores. Theres a trend of second imports struggling/complaining under Gleeson all having the same issue.

Yeah, Ennis and Prather really struggled.

#724822 get your own nickname, plus you can't even spell.

They need a third import, period. The jury is out on whether they can win even if they get a stud third import. If they stand pat and make no moves they definitely don't win championship and even the playoffs is questionable.
It does seem like they are trying to save $ or they would’ve pulled the trigger on it already.

If they stand pat and make no moves they definitely don't win championship and even the playoffs is questionable.

No place for facts here KR! Championship winning small forwards in the past eight years:

Abercrombie
Ennis
Prather

Those are three very high-level players. I think the Wildcats need either White contributing much more or a better player in that spot, they need good defence, rebounding and the ability to finish plays at SF.

Teams with three imports are currently sitting 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th, teams with two imports are sitting 1st, 2nd and 4th. It's not a case of needing three imports, just the right players to help you to win.

They struggled until Felix arrived who helped them to top spot and therefore home court advantage during the finals. I feel it was a fortunate injury for United.