Its disappointing when you consider he is only 30.
I was one (of the minority on the forum) who thought he would have a breakout season.

Cant see his career in NBL lasting much longer at this rate.

Oh wow Andrew Rice. Totally forgot about him. Great example. One of his last NBL stints was with the Hawks where it got to the point he couldn't even pass or catch a ball properly anymore. It was like watching a train wreck when he was on court.

Simon Dwight, good NBL career, but had the best combination of size and athleticism our league has seen from a local, turned down a guaranteed NBA contract to keep improving in the NBL, which didn't happen.

Injuries also played a part in Dwight's regression.

Martin Iti had a great U.S. high school career and was on mock drafts during college but never amounted to anything as a pro.

Ogilvy's career hasn't been a bust so much he has just turned to crap in a short period of time.

Dwight doesn't belong in this discussion. He was a solid NBL player.

Great find. Perth Arena has ruined AJ mentally.

Simon Dwight? Disappointing career?

314 games over 10 years and retired as the NBL's all-time leading shotblocker.

Wouldn't say that was disappointing....

Dwight doesn't belong in this discussion. He was a solid NBL player.

Yes, correct kr.

Melbourne Boy are you drunk tonight?

Plenty of big guys seem to fail at carving out the pro careers that many thought they would

Ben Pepper? Simon Dwight? Pero Vasiljevic?

Matt Burston I thought would be an absolute beast when he was young. Had solid NBL career but not what I expected.

I'm struggling to think of many examples right now but it feels like there are plenty

A few years down the track one wonders if Isaac Humphries will be part of the discussion.
A beast at under 17 level but underwhelmingin college and yes he got NBL rookie of the year but was largely inconsistent.

In his third NBA season Maker hasn't taken many steps forward either.

Trahair - although he did have a few good years. Was talked as an nba player once

David close- great junior who didn't do much in nbl

Hunter pirates player who was a nut- forget his name but definitely had the skills, but not the mentally

Been a few more


Bursting career suffered due to numerous ankle injuries. Would have been a star otherwise

@ Yinka Dare are you thinking of Larry Davidson?

Yinka is thinking of the one and only Geordie Cullen. What a character.

Matt Burston I thought would be an absolute beast when he was young. Had solid NBL career but not what I expected.

fucking hell Geordie Cullen, now that is a name !!

Yes Burston did have injuries

Pledger may be similar, had one really good year when I thought he was destined for stardom. The year after had some injuries and never turned into a star.

I guess bigs are more injury prone. You see it in nba too. Think of Greg Oden, Andrew Bynum, Yao Ming, Embiid (until last season) and others

Paul Rogers
Ben Melmeth
Andrew Goodwin
David Stiff
Brett Wheeler
Ater Majok

Geordie Cullen was a good mention though

I have always had Ogilvy in my Fantasy team because he has always been good to me but as much as I love the bloke he is a marshmallow, I'd go as far as to say that he is softer than Daniel Kickert and I'm disappointed that having him with Conklin hasn't brought the mongrel out in him... someone get him in a boxing ring and have him throwing some punches and showing some aggression as it's the Ogilvy aggression that has regressed Moreso than his numbers and yeah he was a bloody good player in every stat line.

I love think he will turn it around but he needs to do something about Perth Arena, he will nearly have his jersey retired in there as an opposition player that the Wildcats completely dominated.

I've tipped Illawarra to make playoffs and if they do then this man still has a big role to play in that

I really liked Simon Dwight in the NBL, and he had a very good career here, but as far as disappointing in the context of not maximizing potential, he should have played 10 years in the NBA not NBL in my opinion.

How does the "struggles once he faces players his own size" argument come into play for Ogilvy when he has had solid NBL seasons?

I wonder if you rely on hustling for blocks and steals, that fades with time. If your primary advantage is your shot, that's still with you for years. Rillie had a 30+ point game at age 38, for example.

How many top shelf seasons did Schenscher have in the NBL?

For me with Ogilvy it's 95% mental, rather than any kind of physical regression. If he does one good thing on the court he'll usually follow it up with another, but a single mistake or if he's manhandled on a possession he goes into his shell and you might as well sub him out. Greg Ostertag comes to mind, after his run in with Shaq.

Simon Dwight getting mentions here is crazy. He had a great career. Was one of my favourite opposition players to watch back in the day.

Also, I think the mention of Humphries will eventually look as silly as those people back in the day who rode David Andersen for years after seeing him only as a rookie and ignoring the huge body of work he put in overseas. Humphries is still 20. He'll be fine.

Hey I get how highly everyone thinks of Dwight's NBL career, i liked him a lot too, I just think he should have barely had an NBL career, so it's a disappointment he didn't maximize his career and earning potential in the US.

And back on the Ogilvy topic, I agree that it's mostly a mental thing with him, such a big gap between his best and worse.

We'll see with Humphries, but I think he came about 7-8 years too late with his style of game. Too slow laterally to guard the pick and roll in today's NBA I'd say based on his season in the NBL, so he'll have to be pretty special somewhere else to earn a spot. No reason why he can't go on to have a great basketball career elsewhere, though.

With Humphries Vs Baynes; at the same age Baynes was averaging 5 and 3 in college, before eventually making the NBA 7 years later.

I get the idea of wondering whether he'll achieve his potential, but predicting it or talking about how he 'will be' a disappointment based on a hypothetical future is a bit crazy.

He'll be fine.

Dench might be worth a mention too. Helliwell? Vandenberg? Anyone remember Sam Harris?

Craig McAndrew and Gavin VanderPutten are two I remember that never fulfilled their potential.
Cory Reader.

Justin brown!!!

I feel let down by AJ. Not a hawks fan but have liked the way he USED to contribute [much more than that, actually]. I remember 3 or 4 seasons ago, he, a centre, led the league in steals. He was also a very good/reliable [traditional?] centre [duh!].

I for one, would like to see him regain his old form and playing attitude.