Big V is still relevant to the teams, clubs and suburbs its played in

SEABL never over ruled it and in most cases in Victoria more people were interested in it over SEABL.

This won't change anything for the lower divisions, clubs won't celebrate a championship any less!

Be good for the Big V to really get on the front foot this season & bring back the hype, feel like it has lacked a little recently. Encourage more info and articles from clubs or maybe guest blog pieces from Big V Nerds

I wonder if Bellarine are in Div 1 same as last year or if it's a new Div 1 which is a combination or Div 1 and 2 teams from last year?

^Yes, it's confirmed Bellarine in for Geelong's having to vacate the D1 spots due to the rules. Likely most of the same players I'd imagine, however remains to be seen after try-outs...

What rules? Because the old SEABL team will now be in the elite league? Wasn't everyone else trying to preach they're separate leagues?

P.s- D1M Big V would be better than most other state's leagues.

The new league has no influence on BigV decisions as to who and who can't play, Geelong will still have their SEABL/Elite team, their BogV team has nothing to do with that, new league has nothing to do with BigV

Forget the 'super league' lets talk BIG V

How should the mens divisions be made up, is Div 1 now top? and who should be in it? or are we still having a SCM I like the idea of going back to just Div 1 & Div 2 but I guess you have YLC to also move around

What about team news?

I know some teams have resigned imports early, or guys are heading over, tryouts are happening or happened.

What about promoted teams? who has the best chance of staying up.

@PersonalFoul I like Coburg moving into D1M, their coach runs a good system and won in D2 without an import last year. Will be interesting to see how they can compete at D1.
I'm looking forward to seeing Chelsea's new combo Standerfer and Voss work in SCM.
For D2M, Mildura to be irrelevant if Henry had retired (as rumoured). This year is surely the year Sth Penn break thru.

Can't see Coburg as a play off contender even with that line-up

Southern Penn must be making a big push, would like to see the country teams do well, strong country teams always provide great venues to play in.

Womens side of the game looks a little think outside of the Top 4 in Div, Div 2 from what I saw was glorified domestic comp and the standard ha certainly dropped off, do we think Youth League drains the young talent from the womens game?

I'm hearing Bulleen have put together a fairly strong roster. Apparently it includes Thad coming back.

Apparently a Spanish guy Rodriguez or something and a Canadian guy.

Rodriguez is the Bulleen coach

Shepparton was denied the 2nd import.

Rumour has it, Bartlett & Cowling gone back to bendigo for elite league & a number of other players gone to North East bushies for $$$

RMIT are struggling to get a team together

Sherbrooke D2M making a lot of pre season noise again. Will be lucky to contend for finals.

Subpar import mixed with a poor crop of 'local' players.

sherbrooke don't have the pulling power to get any good locals despite being near Knox, when knox aren't strong they aren't either, a new stadium might help that is in the offering and better facilities. Can they rebrand to the Mountain Men??

Sherbrooke usually pick up a couple of ringwood and kilstyh cast off's as well along the way as they have no real junior program to sustain a senior program.

REality - yeah true, but this the issue with a club like this they feed off the strength of others. And no import really ever fixes that.

3 imports at Keilor???

Heard Blount not coming back to Warrnambool and both Shep imports were not interested in coming back. Do any imports stay at a club for more than 2 years? Bozeman at Frankston and Coleman down at Hume City, did hear a rumour that Standerfer might have been looking around and Blues might have been an option, though could never see him part way over at the Gulls

So where's the Shepp to win D1 talk coming from if both imports are gone and no locals are playing?
Damon Smith from Craigieburn is another example of an import sticking around - played last year and signed on for 2 more. Great for the club and for D2 to have some consistency in the import ranks.

In the lower leagues its great if you can have imports long term who are engaged both on and off the court as often at that level the off court community engagement is just as important as on floor.

At the Vic Elite level etc W's and performance are probably more important than low term community involvement plus if imports are any good they use SEABL/SCM as a stepping stone to hopefully better playing euro gigs.

Although the article about Keilor looks like they may have 3 imports I'm sure they have done their due diligence...
Mike Anderson
Kaba (potentially becomes unrestricted this year or next)
+ 1 import if Kaba becomes unrestricted

Vlad Brckov on the spouse visa and not coming out of a premier league in other country is a big one for them.

Potentially they could have 2 x imports, 2 x spouse visa (Kaba and Brckov) and Charleston Long...

That would be legit championship contender (but may not be great for their future...)

Nobody in SCM or Vic Elite League is worried about the future, its win now! and so it should be these are the two highest levels. the future should be worried about at Youth League and U18s are filling those spots with local kids not recruiting heavy in this area. ARE you developing players in SCM no you are playing the best team you can put together with maybe the 4 spots on the bench going to local guys

PersonalFoul, I agree with you to an extent.

Senior team, whether it SCM or Vic Elite, is definitely focused on winning.

But, there also needs to be an element of making it sustainable.

Loading a team with essentially 5 current/past imports is not sustainable and may result in local talent looking for opportunity elsewhere.

The stronger talent coming out of u18 is not interested in 'developing' for a year or two in YL. They want to have opportunity immediately.

Having said this, if it is a strategic move to win now and bridge a couple years until more local talent comes thru then great move.

Anyway, good luck to them and it makes it all the more interesting to see the plan for each team.

anon - great points but stronger talent coming out of u18s must be pretty awesome if they think they can impact a senior mens program, thats still boys against men and the YL was set-up to give them 2 years to develop

as a youth league head coach I get a lot of late phone calls from YL kids who thought they were too good for YL went to Senior Try-outs instead didn't make teams and now want to find a spot on a youth league roster .....

I think you have to have home grown talent somewhere in your team with seniors but winning is winning

Altona? haha, big spenders this off season?

Wally Elnour is playing Youth League pretty sure, Jovan yes plus a couple of other D1 guys have moved there, but still no import

Altona look like they have recruited a strong base of non-import talent, some great athletes and hoopers than aren't on the VJBL/ Big V radar will be good to see how they play together.

RMIT haven't even spoken with the league office or had any registrations.

I can tell you those at head office are concerned.

Justin Erckhart comeback at All-Stars.

NBL level talent in his prime.

What happens when those young guys all leave early in the year to head across to college

Hume City sounds good

Altona will be exciting no doubt, that talent on paper looks tidy

Anynews from Coburg, Werribee, Mornington/Western Port, Keilor games from the weekend?

RMIT in trouble, heard they skipped a practice game due to not being ready??? odd one most teams are keen to get some early games.

Its a thought that the league doesn't support the clubs with promotion that maybe clubs should look other avenues, live streaming their own games, interview pieces etc

Outside the Arcs Plenty Valley FM seems to be pushing hard on the leagues behalf for Northern Clubs

What other radio stations or podcasts are out there for the league? do we need more or less??

RMIT skipping practice games cause they don't have any players.

Reality, depends on where they go and when the college starts.
Classes start mid August thru Mid September so only an issue if team makes playoffs (regular season finishes in July) or if their college coach wants them over there early.

Once they commit the colleges might want them to stop playing as well.

True they might have a college coach that wants them to focus on getting ready for the college season or might want them to come early to acclimatise.

I wouldn't imagine a BigV team is risking their season chances just on college kids

At least Sherbrooke have players who have actually played at Big V level, that's the base needed to be competitive which RMIT don't seem to have.

RMIT must of had a pretty impressive Powerpoint Presentation

the league needs to look at where teams are based, are they creating talent or draining talent or diluting talent in the area its based in.

Any results from the weekend?

Seen an alarming amount of ''looking for players'' call outs on facebook from clubs in good divisions ... where have all the good players gone??

Is it cost of the league, some players having pay upwards of $700 just play youth league?

Whittlesea putting a facebook call for State Champ Womens players .... never seen that? Not at that level, don't they already have 2 imports?

Any preseason games scheduled or been played already this week??

RMIT are in trouble, good source on this one.

Bellarine will have a team, Div 1 level I would think so but as meantioned CBL plus Geelong defectors (not meant in a bad way)

Mornington just played on the weekend against Westernport, any reports?

Coburg beat Werribee (minus import)

Collingwood play Camberwell this Saturday

^^Camberwell beat Sherbrooke last night as well. Looked like they had tons of depth and bigs. And for whoever on here was saying awhile back that the Camberwell import would average 6/not have an impact...? Boy are you in for a surprise if last night was any indication!! I'll just say that.

At least RMIT is actively recruiting scoreboard and clock operators :)

Camberwell are going to be a real threat to get back to D1.
Shame they play at Balwyn HS with 9 ft rims.

@2760 I needed a laugh this morning so thank you ha ha

Shepp host Wallan in a fortnight

Part of me wishes the same^

Camberwell won by 12..was up by nearly 20 for awhile... Nat O'hara was cruising and didn’t look like he was trying much, shot maybe three times, they missed about 20 free throws and their import is playing probably two comps too low. Granted it was against Sherbrooke so we could probably wait until we see more...

People within RMIT, struggled with coach recruitment. Players not at the standard not prepared for the issues of running a club off court. Sold a great concept but don't have the people in place to make viable. This will last 2 seasons.
Good source. My source told me that after try-outs they turned down a game against a YL team due to still not having players in late Dec

Wallan were mentioned earlier on this forum as making a big run at winning Div 2 and that seems to be on track

Any news on Melton? Bol Bak was amazing last year would love to see him again st Seniors instead of YL2 opposition. Can he cut it against the men.

For his own development as well, Bol Bak should be in the senior comps. Needs to take the next step cause he has plenty of promise.

Wallans CBL is probably more of an indication of their YL teams improvement this season. Although their D2M will sneak up on some teams.
Is Henry playing for Mildura?
Any word on Meltons import?

CBL and YL are poles apart regarding ability, but I think some of the kids will have hardened up and gives them more time on court together in the off-season which is only going to make them a better unit.

Uni league seems like pie in the sky stuff considering that 25% of uni students are international students who aren't here to play sport.

Only 36% of people aged 20 years old attend university so your missing the other 44% or so who don't attend to go make more cash as a tradie.

Of the 36% who do attend its not outlandish to suggest alot come from backgrounds that are considered "into" basketball (Asian/Indian) so i'm not sure if this league ever really gets off the ground as some think it will as the demographics simply work against it.

There are still no fixtures! Clubs got the first draft with many changes needed a long while ago, when will the next draft come out?

RMIT just wedging themselves in a region with plenty of basketball teams another good effort to dilute the value of the Big V Comp. We need teams in growth areas not places with enough options. We want good players in the league not self valued over rated senior mens comp players who dropped 30 on a wednesday night against a 38 yr old and played a little Metro 1 in U18's thinking they are league ready.

PHEW PHEW .... hahahah DVEagle

Talking of Men's Comps, where is the strongest midweek league? Best A Grade. It can't be that old hatchet Civic League can it? what happened to the MMBL?

Couldn't agree more @DVEagle!!!

Shots fired by @DVEagle! Anyone know any of the actual players on the RMIT roster? Besides Aron Pantano as per the other thread.

Cade Towers.. somewhere between 6'8 and 6'10

The "experts" were right, RMIT are mostly domestic players, and Pantano and Towers haven't played rep ball for 3 years, and did nothing then either.

So much pressure on RMIT... realistically, most clubs haven't announced their playing rosters at all.

Cade Towers would be a great pick-up for RMIT if true. He was really solid at Altona a couple of years ago.

I'll have a go at some tips:
SCM - McKinnon or Keilor
SCW - Sunbury or Southern Peninsula
D1M - Keysborough or Western Port
D1W - Mildura or Camberwell
D2M - Pakenham or Craigieburn
D2W - Melbourne Uni or Blackburn

Western port looking very,very strong in women's div 1

#685

-60 Loss to SP (SCW)
-4 Loss to Pakenham (D2W)
+15 Win over Sherbrooke (D2W)

Margins are approximate.

Great point - who gives a damn about RMIT.
Plenty of exciting things happening in the Big V landscape away from there.

Camberwell D2M beat Collingwood D1M by 35 this weekend

Manny/Webb yes, not sure about Lindhe

Waverley beat Whittlesea by 20+

Any other results from the weekend? Didn't someone above say Hawthorn/Keilor played?

Altona beat Wallan in both YLM and D2M

RMIT also had an intra club match and both teams managed to loose

Sorry but unfortunately Camberwell did play Collingwood on Sunday and did win by 35.

Did they play Chelsea on Saturday?

So The Bear thinks Westernport are looking strong for D1W. Lost to our Sth Pen under 18 team (most were fill ins) by over 60!!
Then a couple of games against D2W teams where in the last game word is the game was called off 4 minutes to go.
Yep should be in for a successful year !!!!

Two Bays Cup on Saturday.
WP (D1M) Def Mornington (D2M) by about 30
WP (D1W) Def Mornington (D2W) by about 4
Mornington (YL2M) Def WP (YL2M) by about 6
Mornington (YL2W) Def WP (YL2W) by about 15

Who's Mornington D2M trotting out this season? Good to see them back.

From the Big V website...

"Latrobe City Energy Big V Women's Open tryouts will be held on Wednesday 20th February starting 7.30pm at Latrobe Leisure Morwell.

All current and new players are invited to attend.

For more information please contact Head Coach Rod Dickson on 04********"

Still no finalized fixture, season starts in just over 3 weeks!!!

and yet they survive relegation - there are 6-7 D2M teams who would be better off in that D1 spot ahead of LaTrobe. Incredibly poor management by Big V for mine.

Looks like things are messy in Mildura - Calvin Henry not re-signed, and it looks as though they have moved on form some senior players as well. Grand Final team last year......

Where will Calvin Henry end up?

SA Premier League???

Southern Penn to answer a previous post will be dangerous as always, their kids are another year older and better and with good coaching and import they'll always be there abouts.

Sth Pen D2M defeated Pakenham D2M 10
Sth Pen D2M defeated Vic Country 18s by 20

Wallan D2M beat Coburg D1M

I am still around, 'The Bear isn't me...

Have RMIT even played a pre-season match?

Hume beat Ringwood (full roster) and Melbourne (missing players) over weekend

Have heard otherwise regarding RMIT..
Altona sound like a team to beat, who's doing the damage for them?

What were the results for the 3 RMIT matches?

Well they should be a good match up against WP.
Import looks the good, and as for lights out shooter, Daryl Coreletto fills that role more than nicely. Chuck in some of the other additions and I think they'll be the ones to chase.

What were the results of RMITs games?

Soloai and Towers would make them the biggest front court in the league, Coffey a small guard who can play and should work well with the bigs. Any other players with Big V experience?

RMIT's game against Shep was their first ever and if you saw that game, compared to their games against Chelsea and Hawthorn, you would have noticed that the coach simply rotated players against Shep (whilst almost turning around a 20pt deficit). They led Hawthorn for 90% of the game too.

If RMIT have Towers, Solai and Coffey sound like starters, who were a few other players that stood out? The other guys mentioned on this thread aren't anyone to write home about.

Why is there so much discussion on RMIT?

Interesting vision on Bol Dak former YL2 MVP seen with Ballarat jersey? Has he made the move? Saw he had sat out of Meltons pre-season games and a real talent

RMIT hate has to be the continued treatment by the Big V in how they allow teams into the league? it like it is a midweek comp the way teams come in and out, Sherbrook famous for being 2 year wonders and then the talent falls away, RMIT will not last more than 3 years, M-UNI have bucked this trend over the years but the reality is University teams in this comp don't last! they don't have the volunteer backing, committee and the pipeline and support is usually poor.

As mentioned in the above post by someone else, they are in a space with enough teams available for players. More teams doesn't make a better comp it dilutes it!

Look at Womens Div 2 - expect for 3 sides it has the talent level of a midweek A/B Grade comp and is horrible to watch, let alone YL2 Womens, less teams, stronger associations better product.

Rant over. (crawling back into cave)

He arrived after their last practice game, so not likely to get a look at him until tip-off.

Seems the goods, with a good College Career in a mid-major conference at Utah State

Wallan did beat Coburg without him so will be interesting, they have also got a tall out of Warnambool 19 year old kid. But lost the home grown big down the road to DV for NBL1

Wallans import played all the other practice matches, major upgrade on last years import.

Pakenham may be D2M but they spend a hell of a lot more $$ than Blackburn SCM.

Pakenham starters will be equal to Blackburns, but the benches are light years apart, Blackburn will win by 20.

On paper Pakenhams starting 5 should dominate D2M, the bench drops off a fair bit, I'm only going by last years Blackburn team, I don't know if they've added anything. If anyone is there tonight, post how the game pans out, remember I still think Blackburn will win by 20, just interesting to see how things go at the start.

And if Pakenham are missing a couple of those starters they may lose by 40.

It's as much pointing out that Blackburns best 5 aren't much, and that the squad is well coached and battle hard to just stay competitive in SCM. Pakenham seem to be the opposite where they have the recruits on paper but never seem to put it together.

Give Bkackburn 2 decent imports and I'd put them near favorites in SCM and not winning just 5 games like last season.

Gloves are for women who don't want to have short nails for the 6 months of the season

Looks like Pakenham have recruited heavily to win D2 this year. Blackburn only returning 2 players from last season. Blackburn win easily by 30.

As for RMIT, Camberwell has two studs and loss of depth so it will be good to see just how far they've come as they draw them in round 1...

Lots of depth*

Has anyone in D2 gotten worse? Seems to be 9 teams that have "recruited heavily" lol.
Those Pakenham additions are nice, but they really fell off last year to a really average team with no depth. Gaze would be the only guy worth keeping.
For mine its Mildura, Craigieburn, Sth Penn and Camberwell....with Pakenham, Altona and Wallan fighting it out for the remainder of the top 6.

I sense relegation coming

If they do only have 2 returning players and still don't have money to recruit like the other SCM teams, they are in big trouble no matter who's coaching.

Werribee no good ? Their MVP is back, I'd assume with more help...

Seeing as though we've all been making our way too early predictions for the last 3 months. What are our actual tips for each division? Round 1 is in 2 days!

I go like this

CM: McKinnon
CW: Sunbury
D1M: Western Port
D1W: Mildura
D2M: Camberwell
D2W: Wallan

Fair enough... it was close in CM/CW cause I think CM could go Hume City and CW could go Keilor even but we'll see.

Well The Bear's "strong looking Westernport D1W Team"’ just lost to Bellarine. No wonder he’s in hiding.

LOL yeah and RMIT seems to be what we all thought they would be.

RMIT only lost by 20, that's not bad for mostly domestic players.

Haha, Maltese import

IS there somewhere where I can see all the squads listed?

Thoughts, takeaways on the weekend/round 1?

Looks like Blackburn Senior Men and Youth Men are in for a very very long season.

Is Matthew Bruno any relation to Dom Bruno from Whittlesea?

Older Brother

Yes #659, Hume City SCM look like a very good team, they certainly got the rub of the green with 36 fouls for and 19 against. They did shoot it well at times, but Corio Bay also had their chances. Stingrays showed they can compete with their best on court and are still working it out, if they can gel they can definitely hurt some teams.

Only round one, long way to go...

Thoughts on this weekend's games?

Nth East vs RMIT d2m, quadruple overtime then the lights will go out, game gets called, draw, neither team wins a game until they meet later in the year, roof leaks, game called, draw, first season in basketball history two teams go winless.

Altona to go 2-0 vs Sherbrooke and Wallan

^^^ "Altona to go 2-0..."

Loses to Sherbrooke to fall to 0-2. What gives?!

Womens side in particular.

Bulleen YLW - 0-3. Average losing margin of 74 points
Warnambool SCW - 0-2. Average losing margin of 58 points

Absolutely^^

There's a top 3-4 teams in each division and then a massive dropoff. Should be combining divisions rather than having 10 team divisions with 3 good teams.

Thoughts on the weekend? Keilor/McKinnon are my tops in SCM so far.

Thoughts/predictions for the weekend?

Which of these winless teams after 4 rounds is in trouble in SCM

Corio
Blackburn
Werribee

Werribee seem to have the fire power if not the defence and you feel Corio could beat the two below them

In the Women
Warrnambool
Whittlesea
Bulleen

Bulleen seems a shock to me, but I haven't kept up with the program that much Whittlesea are playing a division to far it seems

Division 1 Men

Whittlesea do the double basement with the men and the women hanging in the cellar, there mens team should be able to get some wins and get it together, Latrobe Energy this program was always so tough and overall has dropped away - is this just a changing of the guard there and on a rebuild, youth was horrible last season.

Division 1 Women

Warrandyte - it doesn't look good 0-4 and just lost to promoted Cragiburn (who have recruited well) they have already given Latrobe women the first win fo the season. They can't go ZIP for the season surely this mid table team will get it together.

Why focus on the negatives in any group after 3-4 games? There are a number of teams who have gone above expectations in a couple of divisions and yet you're highlighting the other end?

Reply #740169

Well hit us with who is playing above expectation or who is playing out of their skin?

We can focus on programs that are not achieving, in fact all these coaches and some of these players in these teams are paid a nice little fee, so clubs can be invested. Welcome to Sports winners and losers. I don't think 4 wins is enough to see a trend for finals but I do think no wins 3 weeks in would be a concern for any program and I'm interested to find out why.

Maybe there is a good reason, import injured, players due back from college etc etc.


Will 3-0 Broady Women run the table on this league?
Whose import is providing the most BANG early in the season?

You can see those things by looking at the same standings you're viewing to call out some teams - you would just rather focus on the negative.
Two sides to sports (welcome!) and its increasingly obvious those who haven't played at a high level would rather focus on the bottom rather than the top - good for you, but don't drag us down either
Here are some positives that you can absolutely put some stock into:
Casey SCM, Mildura men and women, Pakenham D2M

I would say Warrandyte Women losing to Craigiburn as an interesting result, a long standing fixture in that league being beaten by a new comer.

Same with Corio, a team that pushed Broady Men early in the season but still haven't a got a win another interesting point in the league.

Being told Latrobe had 7 players is sad, I certainly aren't happy to read that what should be done, its a discussion point.

Tell me more about Casey SCM, Mildura men and women, Pakenham D2M?

At least we know 1 person is reading posts in here.

Latrobe had 7 players on the weekend.



Men or women ? Saw the women are getting thrashed , what's happened there, they were a competitive side, who is coaching now?

@PersonalFoul and anonymous fair to say Corio Bay had their full compliment against Hume City and pushed them but were still very much working out team dynamics in their season opener. What you don't know from reading stats is that since that game the Stingrays also had two key young talented players injured and have been without them, relying on some of the older bodies and especially their imports to keep scoring pressure on. One quarter in their games appears to be the killer, for the other three questers they are staying with their opposition for the most part. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it as you are focusing on something based on what appears to be lacking critical knowledge.

@bear good knowledge, my original statement was to provoke some response on this forum that was a little boring. Good to know, the young guys juniors through the ranks?

I have heard of some teams having issues with import visa, a change in the paper has delayed some guys in NSW & QLD and one or two in Victoria that turned up 2-3w weeks out from the start of the season.

"Werribee, Corio and Blackburn just look like D2 teams."

Don't be silly.

There may be a class difference between those 3 and the better CM teams but pretty sure Blackburn beat a currently undefeated in D2 Pakenham team by 30+ in the preseason. Looks like they’ve added an import since then too.

As Bear said Corio will get better and they already pushed Hume.

To say those three are D2 teams is nonsense. Pretty sure all of them would smack the D2 teams.

Speaking of D2 - all that talk of RMIT died down really quickly.. lol

Not wanting to talk negative again but at 0-4 they have become everything this forum thought they were so far. Hopefully they get a win against Sherbrooke this weekend.

But not the greatest addition to the Big V Leagues. but I guess someone has to win and someone has to lose.

20-0 is the default score for a walkover so it would be a computer glitch reverting to it.

20 zip is also the score given when an eligible player(s) are involved.w

Happening a lot by the looks of it.
Shepparton (D1M)
Chelsea (SCM & D1W)
SP (SCW)
Whittlesea (SCW)

Considering most clubs have been getting imports for decades now, is there a change in rules that some didn't know about ? What's the reason behind so many ?

Correction.
Doesn't take away from the alarming number of forfeits for the competition,however.

Pretty obvious whose head should be on the chopping block.paying fines isn't cost effective.

Hope Basketball Vox are as hard on NBL1 teams who play players without the appropriate clearances.
Could be a couple of 20-0 scores heading down Bayside way !!

Where is everyone

RMIT IMport goes off for on the weekend

Mam Ayuel kid is ripping senior and YL in a weekend.

Are we allowed to talk about teams that are winless after 5 rounds

What about the teams that are still undeafted? who is running the table? Mckinnon Men?

What about early locks/picks for All Star 5's?

Where are the Player of the Months?

Thoughts going into this weekend??

Needs better content. What happened to player of the month? What happened to predicting who wins?

How did the Big V decline so rapidly?

April player of the month and coach of the month will be announced tonight.

^^ Keilor comes to mind only because of the import Anderson who's easily the best player in the league... but after him there’s pretty much no help on that roster. That being said him alone could push McKinnon.

The Podcast is everything now ....

Its all about the podcast ... listen to the podcast we are so tech savvy we still make teams print programs each week that are a massive waste of paper .... listen to the podcast!

Outside the Arcs is attempting to do a great job in the Northern Suburbs.

I think the league might want to look at how the VAFA do it, they have a different person/intern/ to cover each league, who has more in depth knowledge and they offer a 'little' opinion to attempt to spice up the games some more.

Mckinnon no longer undefeated. Loss to Casey in double overtime.

Hard to watch games without getting frustrated with officiating.
Every CM game seems to have multiple Techs and many ejections...

Yeah no...
Definitely support refs pushing back when players/coaches whine too much.
But atm there is no communication from refs and taking the emotion out of game.
Always frustrating when a bad/questionable call is made and then compounded by a quick whistle on tech
There is always the 'refs make mistakes just like players' argument, difference is that players are mostly held accountable
for mistakes by coaches

Nearing the halfway point of the Big V 2019 year, what are we looking at for each division? Thoughts?

SCM- Mckinnon looks like they could run the table easily

SCW- Keilor has the MVP and stays ahead of a close three headed race, broadmeadows looks to be biggest threat to them. Sunbury also there.

D1M- Probably the closest division in the entire Big V...Western Port still my favorite at this stage

D1W- Mildura is well ahead of the comp

D2M- Mildura could very well go undefeated. Camberwell once a thought for grand final but have been beat twice already by Heat

D2W- Sherbrooke and Pakenham the only two threats on paper, but haven't seen much from this division

Mildura ending up with two imports certainly helps. Funny how we all thought it was the end for them one minute when Calvin was supposedly out, next minute...well here we are.

SCM - in 'run the table easily' I assume you mean go undefeated. That will be difficult having already lost a game to Casey.

McKinnon - playing extremely well. Big 3 of Stith, Williams, Tomada are right up there as best combo in BigV and probably NBL1. Not a lot of opportunity to improve on what they have currently but it may be enough to get them a flag.

Casey - Have started season well but a lot of old legs in the team so hopefully can keep up the pace. Not a great defensive team so need to have 2-3 of their guys scoring big numbers. Very impressive win against McKinnon.

Hawthorn - Hard to judge where they are at. Have some good wins and then not so good losses. Roster seems quite solid but they are juggling lineups around so may be form or injury problems. If shots not dropping for Barry/McBreaty then they may not put enough points on board to get over a McKinnon/Casey.

Hume - quietly putting together a good start for a team with a big change over offseason. Depth and versatility is good, just need to play together and settle into roles.

Keilor - Have looked great and very ordinary. Loss to Blackburn could come back to hurt them down the stretch. Quite a volatile team with already numerous ejections of players and coach, and lots of Ts. Interesting to see how they bounce back from three losses in a row.

Then the rest...

I think they meant run the table from this point forward but I agree with your assessment that it isn't as wide open as per your descriptions of each contender^

Mildura have only been challenged by Wallan thus far, big game coming up this weekend vs craigieburn however

% on ladders hardly ever used as it goes by Head-to-Head results if there are 2 or more teams tied on win/loss.

% used when the head to head doesn't separate the teams, but in the case of CM, with each team playing each other 3 times there will always be a leader in head to head.

Keeping with CM, it looks like Hume, Keilor, and Hawthorn will be fighting it out for the 3rd and 4th playoff spots (unless one of the teams drops some games they should win)

In this case, the H2H is very important as it may come to a 3 way tie...

Officating is sadly stretched too thin, with two many leagues YL2 and extra games means more referees are being 'fast tracked'

Some real rubbish coming out of the league regarding trying to protect these refs when some of them are just not up to the speed of the game.

agree its the leagues fault but it doesn't help coaches or players who are expecting a certain standard.

Wednesday nights won't work. Clubs and Venues with established midweek money making comps, and the need for BIG V to have all the show of anthem, music, court announcer. They won't allow teams to have noisemakers or atmosphere but want all this to go with it.

Remove YL2 would be a good start - maybe even remove Div 2 and have just SC (rebrand) and a 2nd Tier. Condense the comp, don't dilute it

A lot of teams have multiple u18 players in their YL teams. So moving to Friday night won't work.

I agree that removing D2 and YL2 is a valid solution that needs looking at.

Scrap U/21's and just have YL. If they are not good enough to play YL at U/21 level they should just play domestic

ANON - I have been preaching this for a while, problem is VJBL loves the extra money for another 2 years from these sucker teams and players

i like youth league as curtain raisers, but maybe like footy they only go up if the senior team get promoted, use as true reserve grade. And go back to allowing maybe 2-3 players be over 23

BIG V should be the equivalent of VAFA, and NBL 1 the equivalent of VFL...

Big V is the lowest entry basketball for players that want to play coached organised systematic basketball in Victoria.. It can't be both 'entry level' and 'elite'.. if anything, it should have more teams and more divisions - make it an 'Amateur league' instead of a Semi-professional league. leave that for NBL 1.

Big V should be an amateur league in between casual domestic and semi professional that offers players coached systematic basketball...

Each club fields 2 teams (maybe even 3) in male and female comp: Seniors and Reserves. Travel together, train together etc. Field teams that are more local to each other that require less travel commitment - also leave that for NBL 1.

Would solve the Big V identity crisis, no?

You all need to put yourselves in BV shoes, start thinking about what makes the most money, then you'll get the answer.

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What in god's name was that? Haha

You can't compare basketball to football. Social comps in football pretty much don't exist, and basketball has multiple levels of social/ domestic leagues on every night of the week, in every suburb. Football certainly doesn't have that.

NBL
NBL1 - take top 4 teams from 2019 BigV CM (assuming they want to go)
BigV Champ Men - Combine 5 teams from 2019 CM and Div 1
BigV Div 1 - possibly take 16 teams (have qualifying tournament each year for teams coming 12-16 to give teams wanting to enter a chance)
VYCM - keep same
YL1 - possibly take 16 teams (have qualifying tournament each year for teams coming 12-16 to give teams wanting to enter a chance)

Basketball is easier to administer than football.. less players, only need a court not an entire oval hence more social comps.

And they do have social football. they just play on the same day. 'Clubbies'...................

Thursday morning and ladders aren't updated in some comps, and all film isn't uploaded to youtube.
This is ridiculous.

Response to #745873

Sure there may be some logistic problems and some details needing further working but your response and attitude, without making any of your own suggestions, is really helpful.

NBL would always remain as the elite league.
NBL1 - to become a true development league and maintain a level of quality, I believe 20 - 24 teams is sustainable. Locations of teams is not necessarily a reason to accept/reject teams as we know that players don't necessarily live in the location that there club is.
But I would think some increased representation from the west/northwest Melbourne would be a positive (Hume/Keilor/Werribee)

BigV CM - Qualification or relegation process to be further defined but I don't see, at a high level, why some qualification tournament or similar couldn't be considered. If you ran this at the same time as league playoffs or around the time when clubs nominate for BigV then it would allow for plenty of time for court hire etc (clubs wouldn't be booking before this anyway)

Clearances already occur when teams are either not in the league players want to be in, teams are not successful in their league, or players are offered $ to move. It may increase but I doubt it would be much different.

Not sure where the reserve team comment came from but this approach would actually reduce the number of teams in the BigV competitions that would free up resources and also lift quality.

I understand it would be tough for teams/clubs that aren't able to qualify for the Div1 league, and not be included in a BigV league, but if this is the case should they be competing anyway??? Go away, build your program, compete in the various tournaments etc

Any constructive suggestions appreciated and welcome.

Only hear from them if you've done something wrong .... like didn't photo copy enough programs (can we create a league app for this stuff?)

The league has lost pace off court with other comps in other codes.

I still like the on court, the coaching and the players.

Agree had the privilege of being in the crowd, was end of 3rd and sent the stands wild. Go Rays

If you want results, go to the live stats page ya drongo.

Otherwise have a coffee and kick back. Life's too short to be worrying about Big V ladders

Agree use live stats ... shame they vanish after a week

Talking of vanishing - why are some players 2017 stats suddenly gone??

some great games and big blowouts

RMIT proving the haters wrong post hasn't turned up yet

Are the Broncos going to NBL1?

Live Stats don't disappear.

Here is a link to all live stat keys.

http://bigv.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/03/2019-Stream-Keys.xlsx