Combo
Years ago
Whoops a day early!
WSBL Playoffs 2018 - Quarter Finals
So we are now at the business end of the season with the top 8 locked in, here is this weekend's preview.
Perry Lakes @ Lakeside Friday
The defending champs limped into the finals despite a 12 point loss to Stirling last round. The champs are led by Lynx wing Toni Farnworth (18ppg 8 rebs) and former Opal post player Nat Burton (15ppg 12 rebs). However the losses of Emma Clarke, Jeffers, Pisconeri and O’Sullivan has left the team with little scoring options out of the big 2. The Hawks come up against a red hot Lakeside team who have two bigs in Grant and Roscoe that can handle Burton on the inside. Hawks will struggle to slow wings Swaggmeyer and Fipps who will have a night out if the Hawks sit in zone. Farnworth will need to score 30+ like she did in round 5 to even give this team a chance.
Lakeside to win by 25.
Senators @ Perth Friday
Redbacks went 2-0 in the regular season both wins by 20+. This series however will not be a walk over for Perth with the Senators on a current 4 game winning streak. Jas Martin (14ppg) has been in red hot form last few games and will go head to head with Mikaela Pirini. Land (14ppg) v Standish (20ppg) will also be a battle going a long way to who decides this series. If Stirling can keep Dyer quiet and force Standish into contested 3s then they have a chance to pinch a win in game 2.
Perth are tough at home and will get game 1. By 15.
Mandurah @ Rockingham Saturday
Now this is a series, Mandurah are a far better team now that they are whole and one can imagine how dominant the season could have been with Boag added to the lineup. Series split 1-1. Rocko are led by the import pair D’lesha Lloyd (23ppg) and Taneisha Harrison (20ppg) and DPOTY candidate Maddy Allen. The loss of Bourne cannot be understand both sides of the ball and this loss makes the team a little shakey going into this match up. Mandurah are lead by Anita Brown who has been the form player of the league in the last 12 games, her match up against Lloyd will be huge. The Magic’s Palusna could very well decide the series, she is a gifted big and will clog up the middle forcing them into a perimeter game, She will give Allen all the shots in world outside 3 feet. Magic have vets in Milo, Bree Klastourney and Halleen who know how to win finals.
Im calling an upset with Mandurah taking game 1.. By 6.
Kalamunda @ Willetton Saturday
A 4 v 5 matchup is just as close as their respective ladder positions. Willetton took the series 2-0 both games by 10 and 11 points. Tigers have a balanced scoring line up with Payne (14ppg) leading the way and 5 other players scoring 8 or more points. Hepburn has been a good mid season addition and Tigers will need her and Norwood to slow the front wall of Rintalla (19ppg) and Edwards. The key matchup for Tigers is who will get the job on Ciabattoni (20ppg) if its Kelly can she slow her down enough to get the series.
Tiger on home court by 10.
Anonymous
Years ago
Senators lost to Slammers a fortnight ago, only a one game streak
Lakeside 2-0
Perth 2-1
Mandurah 2-1 (no Harrison, no semis for Rocko)
Willetton 2-1
Clarke steps down from Kalamunda coaching gig to look towards junior development role.
Hope Kalamunda continue their gamestyle. Big improvements shown year after year.
Wasn't their game style that helped them improve. They finally had some talent. Two legitimate imports and a very good young big man were the reason they improved. That game style won’t ever win them games if they don’t have the players to make it work. Watch for them to fall back down the rankings if they don’t keep the talent next season.
Anonymous
Years ago
It's worth comparing the last two seasons win records to see what clubs are improving or which clubs are in decline.
Tigers -7
Wolves +1
Buccs +4
Redbacks +3
Slammers -8
Senators -1
Cougars -4
Hawks +6
Lightning +3
Flames +1
Eagles +1
Giants -3
Suns +3
Magic +1
Tigers, Slammers and Cougars obviously didn’t have the seasons they had hoped for after promising 2017 seasons.
The Hawks and Buccs showing huge progress over the last 12 months and are both now serious contenders.
Interesting to note both the Redbacks and Wolves improved seasons after being grand finalists in 2017.
I give Tigers a decent chance of upsetting Wolves in this series.
If J Bowie is fit and healthy??
I think the Wolves are vulnerable.
Wolves have done incredibly well to be where they currently are.
But the warriors are aging.
Sebba and to lesser extend Trian are not the players the were 12mnths ago.
Seb
2017 - 12pts
2018 - 5pts
Trian
2017 - 18.5pts
2018 -13.5pts
Both Ironmonger and Maxy have also halved their point production.
Billups is likely the league MVP, Huntington having one of his better seasons.
I think Sullivan is serviceable at best but at times he hurts them more then he helps.
Will be interesting series.
For Willetton it comes down to there role players making shots. The games where the Tigers are in games against the top tier teams or beating those teams is when guys like Burston are making plays/shots.
If Willeton can hold Billups to a reasonable score, below his average even then they will be ok. They are extremely weak inside.
Burston could take over games if he wasn't so unselfish, his court vision and passing is on another level. No trolling or messing about either this is my honest opinion and i'm not a willo supporter.
^^
"Tigers, Slammers and Cougars obviously didn't have the seasons they had hoped for after promising 2017 seasons.
The Hawks and Buccs showing huge progress over the last 12 months and are both now serious contenders.
Interesting to note both the Redbacks and Wolves improved seasons after being grand finalists in 2017"
Okay so tigers lost Ray Turner, Slammers lost Tre Nichols, and Cougars lost Billups, all three have been MVP's or on the SBL All-Star Five. Obviously they weren't going to have the same season as their promising 2017 seasons
Hawks adding the 2017 MVP in Jacob Holmes is huge progress, clearly the team was going to be better
Redbacks added Hussey and Mo and Wolves added Billups, its not interesting that they have improved, it was expected
Anon
Years ago
Shouldn't good recruiting be part of continuous improvement? Most teams will lose players from season to season it’s how you adapt to that
Just because those teams lost their star imports doesn’t mean that should be an excuse for not improving
Anonomous
Years ago
Fuckwit poster of #164 has all three eyes focused on his retrospective crystal ball. Great to tear down an innocent post by someone just giving his thoughts on teams performance. If everything is so obvious and clear to you why would you even need to read what's written here? Negative, smart arse pricks like you make me sick. You are probably one of those who chose to criticize Random and those who contribute positively to this forum and the SBL.
Great article from Liam Hunt on the SBL website.
Fantastic to see him playing for the club he loves and grew up supporting.
I wouldn't say Bucc’s are hated at all..
I think they are probably the most admired team of all rival clubs.
Always great to play against, play hard (mostly fair) they have passion, they have history, always putting solid seasons together year in year out, always seem to attract talent year after year.
Only fault is they do seem to crumble in big games at the pointy end of the seasons..
Will have home court all the way through to the big dance, so hopefully they should get there!!
It could be the year of the BUCC!
they blitzed thru the finals in 2014 and fumbled in the GF to a red-hot Eagles team. This team is better than their 2014 team so ideally they will go 5-0 and win their second 'chip
it was their best regular season since 2001. 2001 resulted in a grand final loss :/ Many great teams have been minor premiers and runners-up
Its the Buccs championship to lose. They have 4 Americans and three good locals. They have breezed through the regular season with minimal teams giving them a crack. If they don't win the entire thing it is a huge under achievement with the team they have paid for up there.
My only concern is adding 5 players, maybe your 5 best players into one season.
Do the care? Do they buy in? Does it mean to them what it means to the others?
Tigers pulled it off in 2010, bringing in a whole starting 5 so its possible.
Redbacks still the team to beat!
Hussey/Redhage/Vigor/Smith/Barrows/Wags are just so much for domianant then any other side.
I expect them to sweep through both rounds and win GF by 20pts!
Redbacks have a very strong team but that exact all-star line up have lost to Perry Lakes and Geraldton in the second half of the season.
Not so sure they can sweep the finals and win the GF by 20, I think Hawks, Buccs and Reds all have great chances of winning the lot, should be fun
Lakeside were humiliated by the mighty Hawks tonight. 13 in a row!
pretty dire up in joondalup too. the tigers had no chance - that 3rd quarter was unreal
rocko for the sweep. They can take game 2 up there. Classic finals gero, love to fall short
R@nD0m
Years ago
Things learnt tonight in the Ham...
* Mandurah women should not be underestimated. Everybody contributed for them tonight and the trio of Milo, Brown & Palusna is lethal
* Not sure why he was out, back the lack of on court leadership when Rocko started to pull away in the 4th, that Wunders usually provides was evident tonight. The Buccs will need him fit for the rest of the series / finals
* Liam Hunt - The kid is as strong as an ox (See Dan Hunt but far more hair than his old man) BUT he does get sidetracked when copping some advice from the baseline brigade... Still Dan should be proud as he will be a star for years to come with the Buccs
Huge opportunity for the Flames next week in the Midwest but Active West will be at capacity next sat night... Our bench and support staff may want to bring an umbrella!!
Hawks humiliating the Lightning is a bit of a stretch. Hawks should be this good with that team, their start to the year was embarrassing.
Lakeside with a young line up missing one of the better imports in the league. Hawks too good but
Lol the Hawks has 1 import for the first 10-12 games of the season but they didn't make excuses even when they were 6 and 8. They just worked on their issues and managed to reel off 13 straight wins. Lightning were horrible last night. If it wasn’t for a few 50/50 fouls which sent Alexander to the line they would have been blown off the court. Purser absolutely dominated him. Holmen went all Mutombo on the Lakeside guards. Ryan Smith did Ryan Smith things and Clarke guarded Michaels and any bag he was switched on harder then that have been guarded all years. They were flat out slapped by a better coached,better focused Hawks team.
haha ^^^ this guy is the coach or his assistant
yes. when the above mentions their exact record then you can't help but feel this is the coach writing it. No one else cares that much either.
this forum brings out a few gems every now and then. That hawks post was one of them.
So what if it posts the exact record? is it that complicated for SBL website access?
Hawks gave them a hiding, pretty simple. The game was never in Lakesides grasp. Holmen was a monster and purser almost clocked up another triple double.
Club of the captains
Years ago
Are there potential dates available for mens Semi Final games?
Combo
Years ago
WSBL Quarter Final Game 1 Review
Lakeside 81 - Perry Lakes 75
The Hawks were down just 3 going into the final period against the number 1 in the league and played perhaps their best basketball of the season led by 24 points from Kate Anthony (17 in first half). All metrics pointed to a PL a win as they dominated the glass 63 - 35 with Burton dominating with 19 rebounds. But as we have seen this year Lightning just need a 5 minute run to open the game and got into rhythm after half time behind imports Fipps (23p) Swags (20p 8r 8a) and Grant (17p).
Perth 92 - Stirling 67
An expected result but a big margin none the less, Redbacks were sizzling all night going 52% from both inside and out. Leady by Pirini and Stiendl (Standish) with 22p a piece. The concern for Clarkee and the Senators is that their imports combined for 10 points going 4 or 19 from the field. Amber land the lone light and only player to reach double figures with 25.
Mandurah 75 - Rockingham 48
The biggest surprise in this round, not only the margin but that Rocko could only score 48 points on their home court and must now steal home court down in Mandurah. For the Magic they were lead by the best centre in the league (I said it) Regina Palusna with 22 points and Emma Klasztorny bring down 17 rebounds in the absence of her sister. Rocko have some issues now with only two girls scoring over 11 points and a quiet night from Import Harrison going 2-15!. Maddy Allen the lone hand for them with 11p and 17 rebound performance.
Kalamunda 72 - Willetton 65
A classic finals 4 v 5 matchup. The shining light and difference in this game was a massive 31p and 9 rebound effort from Suns wing Ciabattoni to drag her team over the line. Rintala won the battle inside against Norwood with 18 points. For the Tigers the scoring load was again evenly shared with Payne leading the way with 14 points off 7 shots (she gotta shoot!) and 24 points coming from the bench. I still predict this series will swing with home court.
mike clarke did a great job up in kalamunda. he made them relevant again. hopefully they can get the right coach in who can build on the work mike has put in over the last three years
Great job?
We seen some of the worst basketball in the history of the SBL under his watch.
With the "locals" that he put 3 years into, you added Timms and 2 x legit imports and still no finals.
Sad way to go out.
Red 38
Years ago
RE Craig Friday, the article states Friday has decided not to extend his SBL contract due to National commitments.
wolves may need to look at a decent import or 2 and take a bit of heat off kidner,ironmonger,martin so they can play less of a significant role.interesting to see who takes them on . my tip would be robbins.
Truth
Years ago
Logan Viskovich what a physique, I can't believe he wasn't an all star. He's got a barn door back and shredded peaked biceps, by far the best rig in the league
Viskogram
Years ago
No, I think we really need to address who has the best rig in the league ^
MVP voting aside, is Daniel Alexander the best player in the SBL?
Clarke made Kalamunda relevant? In what aspect? Every other team around the league scouted for chaos basketball and if they made shots they could win a few games, if they didn't then they would get blown out.
So yeah some of the guys on his squad had better points production. Its because in the three years they took more shots than they ever had before in their lives. So did the opposing teams, go figure. Put those kids in a normal team with structure and a coach who wants to win games, and they are back to plebs.
100% agree with above.
Half of those players would not be invited to a pre-season let alone suit up!
They were the laughing stock of the league.
The fact people used to openly joke about playing Suns to boost stats was alarming!
interesting take that people say they were the laughing stock of the league. they finished 2 wins outside of playoffs. If all their players suck as has been said then what does it say about the teams they were within a whisker of knocking out of the playoffs?
the team that made that last spot in the playoffs, only 2 wins ahead of suns had Curtis Washington, Josh Ritchart, Greg Hire, Kevin White, Ryan Godfrey, Beau Samuelson, Luke Travers, Jarryd Griffin, Beard brothers as well as Dexter Kernich-Drew and Sunday Dech for short stints.
3 wins ahead were Tigers who have Armour, Scott, Bowie, Diagne, Black, Noordhoek
Not to mention the teams they finished in front of apparently had more on paper with their rosters.
You can make a case for anybody, finishing anywhere.
I deal with facts over the course of a full season.
They had 2 x quality imports and Timms.
That team should have been playing finals unless
a) Bad coach
b) Bad local players
c) both above
All teams below them on ladder had sub par imports, 1 import or no locals.
It is what it is.
They have been a league joke for too long now.
A new coach can fix this.
WSBL Quarter Finals Game 2 Preview
Lakeside @ Perry Lakes
Hawks threw everything at the Lightning and came up short. Rotation players Green and McCarthy likely away with school sport nationals. Mansfield has to keep Burton off the glass. Can Lakeside shoot at Bendat is the question as they chase the big dance. Lakeside to sweep 2-0 by 16.
Perth @ Stirling
Perth wiing by a big margin last week, I can't see Jas Martin having a bad game twice. Stirling's Johnson However needs to provide a target down low and try to slow Stiendl. Perth wins the matchups across the board, Backs sweep 2-0 by 24.
Rockingham @ Mandurah
Rocko need to win on the road to stay alive and if they play to what we have seen this year they can get it done on the road. The loss of Bourne has been tough to cover so late in the season. Magic smashed them by 24 at home early in the year. Magic are very tough at home with a good crowd behind them. Palusna near unstoppable. Mandurah in the sweep 2-0 by 8.
Willetton @ Suns
Suns stole game 1 at Willetton by 7 on the back of 31p from Ciabattoni. Suns are 6-4 at home this season. Tigers did win up the hill this season by 11. Tigers need to get Ashlin Payne more shots (more than 7 at least) and some how slow down the Ciabattonni show who plays well at home. This will be close but Suns have the best two players on the floor.. Suns to sweep by 10.
Love the WSBL previews coming from the Lakeside coaching staff.
only team in the finals with their best 7 players available, surprised they haven't mentioned that in their previews lol
Combo
Years ago
Anon, all teams are pretty banged up this time of year, whether you make it an excuse or not is up to you.
Every team is missing a starter except Lakeside. Just a fact u seem to miss in your previews Craig.
Banged up v missing are 2 different things
^^ perhaps you could do a preview then rather than bag everything someone else does, at least combo tries to promote the league not tear it down!
Can someone do a men's preview? I don't follow it closely enough to know what is happening but am interested in a summary or whatever.
Combo
Years ago
MSBL Quarterfinal Preview -Game 2
Perth @ Stirling
Mikes boys certainly took to the Redbacks going down by 5 in Belmont. They certainly wont hold any fears in taking game 2 at home. Redbacks lead by the big 6 all scored in double figures with Lee Roberts scoring 30. Stirling will need Davis to again have 25 or Ellis to hit 20 plus to have a chance to tie up the series. Stirling also 6 deep in their scoring rotation. Stirling scorching at 55% from deep. Redbacks have so much talent but Mike will have a plan to get this one.. Senators by 5 in game 2 Redbacks to close out game 3 at home.
Rockingham @ Gero
The toughest road game in the state is a near impossible feat for the Rocko boys to take game 2 after a remarkable win at home in game 1. Gero will feel some pressure to not be the number 1 seed to be knocked out in front of a wild crowd. Justin Beard a break out year with 29 points in his last game. Last time they played in Gero, buccs got the win by 15. Will Wunderburg suit up is the biggest question to take on Hire and Washington. Buccs to square it up 1-1 and then win game 3 also at home.
Hawks @ lightning
Hawks are the form team of comp and just keep winning, winning creates swagger and these boys have a bunch of it. Smashing lakeside by 33 in game 1. The lightning are a far better team at home with those friendly 3pt rings they will need to splash 15 or more in this one. Dan Alexander is the da real MVP. You don't mess with form Hawks with the W to close out the series 2-0.
Wanneroo @ Willetton
Geez tigers got smashed in round 1 to a tune of 36 points and only dropping 66 in the process. That's a hard swing to come back from. Tigers need a 3rd scorer outside of Bowie and Scott to trouble the Wolves. Etto's defense this end of the year is always decent. Beware the wolf. Wanneroo 2-0 by 18 points.
Mershell Bellson
Years ago
Stephen pawlak with the juiciest pipes in the entire coaching world. None even compare to that Greek god!
Flame Trees
Years ago
Mayor of Rocko G Hire and Big Washington DC to completely impose themselves on Buccs in the paint this weekend.
As Olivia Newtown-John said, 'let's get physical"
Wundenburg not at all right. Mail from strong Gero sources is will play, but shouldn't - basically immobile - poor fella
Ross will be required to play hard D and embrace and return the physical stuff or they risk being a team with little to no impact against two dominant bigs
Can't wait for this one
Who would have thought Buccs could be so vulnerable 1 vs. 8 !
Absolute scenes with the Buccs flying in Alex Ducas for this game.
Pretty sure Ducas has only played 3 games, so how many do you need to play to qualify for finals?
If Ducas was injured and spent time on the injury list earlier in the season he may have managed to get enough games up and been eligible for finals. Kind of like what happened with Shervill at Lakeside.
all 4 WSBL QF series result in sweeps. Big upsets for Kalamunda and Mandurah. Massive flop for Rocko - Mandurah should have sealed it in regulation but Gatti missed two free throws.
All this fly in stuff and bs injury crap and playing ring ins for2 fames annoys me!
Saturday SBL action:
WSBL
N/A
MSBL
Buccaneers vs Flames, Game 2, Activewest Stadium, 7:30pm - Flames 1-0
Lightning vs Hawks, Game 2, Lakeside Recreation Centre, 8pm - Hawks 1-0
Tigers vs Wolves, Game 2, Willetton Basketball Stadium, 8pm - Wolves 1-0
Redbacks vs Senators, Game 3, Belmont Oasis Leisure Centre, 8pm - Tied 1-1
Anonymous
Years ago
See Geraldton maccas are bring back thr McRib! I Wunder how long that Berg-er will last before a competitor Mat-ches it. Would sure hope its wrapped well enough for its return
Any word on who has applied for vacant coaching positions?
classic buccs fizzle out once again. Flames sweep the series behind Godfrey's massive night
From minor premiers to quarter-final exit at the hands of the eighth-seeded Flames. It's becoming an annual tradition for Geraldton to crumble at the business end of the season
TH62
Years ago
Gero beats the Flames twice in the regular season, both times by big margin, now Rockingham knocks them out of the finals in two games.
Wow seems like the Flames have a real team after all!!!
Anonomous
Years ago
"Any word on who has applied for vacant coaching positions?"
Ray's in his car at the 8th St car park updating his resume at the moment.
win streak over for the Hawks. Game 3 tomorrow @ BBC 12pm
senators stun the reigning champs, move on to semi finals with a 2-1 series victory
4th quarter collapse. Lacko got out coached again. No adjustments from the night before. Disappointing end. Lacko still can't beat a zone and can’t recongize when opponents change their tactics against him. He is a good recruiter and training coach but terrible game day coach.
HAHAHAHAHA hope all that money Redbacks and Buccs spent was worth it!!!
Karma Police
Years ago
Hahahahahahabahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
The playoffs are crazy. 1st and 3rd seeds out. 4th and 5th going to a decider. The loss of one rotation player in any of theses series can change the outcome dramatically. An injured Wunderberg cost Gero more than they could have imagined and Ryan Smiths injury really hurt the Hawks. The league is so close and competitive despite what the win/loss record of the regular season has shown. What a great playoffs so far.
Andrew
Years ago
I agree it's been an exciting playoff series so far. Wolfpack is my prediction to take it out this year
Biblical
Years ago
Like Moses parting the sea, the Wolves look left, look right and say thank you we shall go forth and prosper.
The results of Saturday August 11 will ensure that is forever to be known as "basketball's beautiful night"
Lakeside vs Hawks was a fantastic game. . Bryan Michaels had the game of his life and got them over the line. Hawks shot badly for 1 period and it cost them the game in the end. Lakeside a real chance today.
Ganymede 91
Years ago
After last night's devastation has anyone checked on Lackka this morning to make sure he's ok???
Not sure what's wrong with Smith but he was on bench in hoody and pants. Massive loss for PL if he’s out for long as he was the X factor in their run. Really was playing some of the best basketball he’s played in the SBL.
Hawks break their first round hoodoo, Holmen, Purser and Cummins come up big. Almost as satisfying as seeing Lacko bounced in the first round
Hawks get up. What a huge game. Both teams evenly matched and it showed. Holmen and Cummings again showing their class.
Holmen could have had 40+ points but missed a number of gimmies. Hawks on to semis for the first time since 2013. They have home court advantage against Flames. Hawks vs Wolves GF
The Lightning lived and died by the 3 this arvo. Cummings hit 6 of the Hawks' 7 made 3s, that compared to Lakeside who went 14-of-35. Michaels could not back up his Game 2 performance. Alexander was limited a tad due to foul trouble. Good battle between Holmen and Alexander. Coach Daniels was very odd rotations with his wing and forward players - they rarely get more than 4 minutes together before being pulled. How's old Prue playing back-to-back 40-minute games this weekend? Still a monster at his age following two years away from the league. I hope he's back next year - he's an asset to Lakeside and the league. He gives his team so many second chance points, hence why they shoot so much. He also had 13 points tonight to go with his standard 15+ rebounds.
Lakeside will be a serious threat if they can keep the core they have together next season.
Redbacks??
WHAT. THE. HELL.
LACKO can you please explain how you lose a game with Redhage,Barrows,Roberts,Hussey,Vigor,Smith and Wagner.
I honestly do not know how this is even possible.
You should be able to pull that team out of a pub at 7pm and say game time in 1 hour and they would win more then they lose!
First round exit with that team is criminal.
Lacko is a notorious under achiever. Got lucky with Redhage fresh off an NBL season. Got greedy this year adding 2 huge egos in Hussey and Barrow. Preaches depth and development all year and then had no one he could count on when it mattered most
Only reason Stirling won is because the refs didn't even let Lee Roberts play. If Roberts played more than half a game he would have killed them like he did the first game. 13 and 6 in 18 minutes of basketball is on track for another 30 point game. So to the person above he did have a player he could count on, the refs just didn’t let him play. Horrible refereeing. But congrats Stirling, you won with 3 extra players on your side. Foul Roberts and redhage out and you’ll get the sure win!
I want to hear from Lacko, how embarrassing.
That team is SUPER STACKED, is this the worse preforming team in SBL history??
Lako has exposed himself now as the worst coach ever, even though he won a title last season.
A garbage can could have coached that team to a championship.
Joel barely played in game 3 as he got knocked out within the first 2 minutes of the game. Actually ended up having to come back on the court to try close it out as they had run out of players.
haha who thru out the refereeing card. It became clear that Nik's 7 and a half man rotation (w/ Gattorna) did not pan out. Redhage was not the same Redhage he was last year. Roberts had one good game all year. Vigor was average. Smith was not a streaky as he was last year. They came down with a thud
No dynasty for Lako. Even with splashing the cash he's a one hit wonder!
I wonder if they will put out a desperate call to Marshall Nelson for next season. It turns out having Hussey over him wasn't the upgrade they predicted.
Redbacks and Buccs will probably have new coaches next year. Disappointing performance from both teams in the first round
Anonymous
Years ago
You have to wonder if Mr Majors cheque book will be at Lakos disposal again after this epic underachievement. Lako can always go back to his burgeoning poker career. I really hope random doesnt get him on for special comments in the grand final, nobody needs to hear anything from him for the rest of the year
No sympathy for the buccs as they almost have a new team every year. Even though it must be tough to recruit and keep talent in a rural town.
But you have to feel at least a bit for Wunderberg. 400+ games and probably his best chance at a grand final win with the redbacks bowing out early and he can't even suit up for the finals due to injury.
Wolves have to be faves now. They are so much better than anyone left. Great coached teams tend to have an advantage at this point of the season and Etteidge is a damn good coach.
Anonymous
Years ago
You'd think there's inevitability to a full review at the Redbacks now.
Open the books, be transparent, and win some reputation back in this State.
Some good people there, probably caught up in it - the time is now to put your hand up and take ownership.
Best for their club, the league, and their own careers.
Let the auditors do their work.
Luigi
Years ago
Anyone who thinks Hussey was an upgrade from Nelson is living in fairytale land. If they didn't bring in Nelson last year they wouldn't of got past the slammers in that series, where Nelson bailed them out over and over again (and was happy to come off the bench to help the team). That's what Redbacks didnt have this year. Too many egos. Operation back to back, get off it. Salary cap that would have rivalled an NBL team like Ilawarra's and a first round exist. Lako needs to answer some big questions. All these juniors should jump ship, he's gonna bring in another 6/7 next year to play over them. Wolves Hawks should be a good grandy.
no-one has mentioned willeton . what a soft exit . not only the men but the women. both coaches signed before the finals for another 2 years ?
Reputation??? Settle down bud, at the end of the post season the team with the best finals success will be remembered, not the most reputable team hahahaha
Redbacks proved that the team with the most skilled and most likely the most expensive players wont neccessarily win you a championship so who cares if they are spending Major money?
Steve Black = average coach. Bowie was sub par this year, albeit he had lingering injuries. Diagne was a massive downgrade from Turner. Damien Scott can't be their only effective guard. They basically needed an upgrade at every position except for SG
Forrest is the only jnr worth going after on that Perth roster. He's probably going to leave anyway with college looking likely.
Forrest is the only jnr worth going after on that Perth roster. He's probably going to leave anyway with college looking likely.
Lako can always go back to his burgeoning poker career.
Bwahahahaha. His only acheivement and claim to fame in poker was sucking up Joe Hachem which resulted in him getting a free trip and tournament entry in Austria.
Ethan Vlahov left for college a few days ago. Expect Gattorna and Forrest to follow suit next August. Vilardi might be someone they want to develop if he isnt headed over to the US himself at some point.
Bowen and Nelson have moved onto bigger and better things and so they should.
There is some junior talent coming through that program, keeping them there is another challenge
Ballsup
Years ago
Note that in the WSBL Willetton and Rockingham had temporary imports for the first part of the season while waiting for their imports to arrive. Both lost in quarterfinals. Early season wins over-inflated their final positions for playoffs??
Ballsup, Rockingham were 4-2 without imports (66%) to start the year, and finished 16-6 (72%). They won at a better rate once their imports arrived. The more telling thing with Flames was they lost 3 of their last 5 without Bourne, without her they looked hopeless.
Willetton started hot with Whitcomb, but also lost Harper for the season after 12 games. Were 9-3 with Harper, yet lost 4 of their first 5 without her.
Hawk Head
Years ago
Interesting to see that the Wolves are training at Bendat in preparation for an expected appearance in the Grand Final. Some may say it is a smart move but to me it would seem a little bit cocky given they have not even beaten stirling yet. Lako might have the biggest ego in the league but ettrige is not far behind!
koberulz
Years ago
Interesting to see that the Wolves are training at Bendat in preparation for an expected appearance in the Grand Final. Some may say it is a smart move but to me it would seem a little bit cocky given they have not even beaten stirling yet. Lako might have the biggest ego in the league but ettrige is not far behind!Planning as though you're going to win doesn't exactly seem like the worst of ideas.
Anonymous
Years ago
Bendat sessions seems a good move. They've struggled last few years on those rings, so leave no stone unturned.
Hawks have Sports most ridiculous advtanage - get over it, or maybe film video about it for your fans
old skool
Years ago
Saw the Redbacks- Senators game 3. To say the Redbacks lost because of the refs is a cop out.
On the last 3 sets of 2 free throws Stirling had in the game, they came up with the offensive rebound on the second miss every time.
Stirling grab 26 offensive rebounds with a smaller lineup. On 2 occasions within the last 3-4 minutes they had possessions where they had 5 or 6 shots due to the offensive rebounding.. they literally kept shooting til they finally made one.
The Redbacks went from a 58-46 lead (if memory serves me correctly) to lose 69-71 which makes for a 25-11 scoring run to end the game.
Redbacks has the ball with 17 secs remaining and trailing by 2. Out of a timeout they then proceed to waste the first 10 seconds aimlessly dribbling the ball out top before getting a rushed 3pt attempt from Wagner away just before the buzzer. Why didn't they shoot sooner so if they missed they had an opportunity to foul to stop the clock and possibly get another possession on offense. Interestingly Stirling has 2 fouls to give which they did not attempt to do.
Although Stirling shoot 4/25 at 3pt attempts they still won.
The Redbacks looked horrendous on offense. They have no secondary break, no flow to their game whatsoever! Their offense consists of aimlessly dribbling the ball out top for 5-10 seconds waiting for everyone to get into their spot before running limited screening action involving 2 or 3 players while the rest stood around like chess pieces. They were so stagnant away from the ball that the defense could rotate and crowd the ball as they pleased.
For as long as Lackovic has been coaching his only answer has been to buy the best talent and throw them the ball in isolation on the block. This is an old and outdated way of coaching. If you don’t believe me watch Coach K and how he coaches superior talent when in charge of the US team, he doesn’t do what Lackovic does. They may as well have Norm Majors coaching because I can’t see anything different.
To sum up, the Redbacks were outhustled, outmuscled and out-everythinged by a hungrier, happier and more together team and it showed so obviously in the effort levels of both teams.
To blame the refs is stupidity.
What’s more, if the Redbacks are so good at developing then when Lackovic leaves they should still
at minimum be a playoff team. If they go down to the bottom spots then the proof is in the pudding that no development has happened at all. Let’s wait and see on this one.
Combo
Years ago
WSBL Semi-final Preview
Well we are down to the final 4 of the WSBL with last round producing an upset with 3rd placed Rockingham Flames being bundled out in straight sets. One thing for sure is we will have a new Champion with reigning premiers Hawks ending their season.
Lakeside Lightning (1) v Kalamunda Eastern Suns (5)
The Lightning had a tough first round series against PL finally winning at Bendat by 3 pushing their winning streak to 15 games. Swags (23ppg) and Fipps (21ppg) leading the way. Suns were very impressive knocking off 4th placed Tigers in two games. Ciabattoni (20ppg) and Rintala (19ppg) dominant in that series.
This season the Lightning have won both regular season games against Suns by 19 and 22 points. The key matchup this series will be Fipps v Ciabattoni, Fipps having done a good defensive job on Farnworth last round. If Ciabattoni can score 25+ then Suns will have enough points to be in the series.
The battle in the middle will also be interesting with both teams featuring twin towers in Grant/Roscoe v Rintala/ Edwards.
Home court will be an advantage in this series. Game 1 to Lighting by 15.
Perth Redbacks (2) v Mandurah Magic (6)
Oh this series is a cracker as the Magic are finding form at the right end of the season and quality players making buckets. Randy and his girls know finals basketball and are a seasoned group of Vets chasing that elusive ring.
The Key matchups are:
Pirini (12ppg 4 apg ) v Milo (12ppg 3 apg)
Dyer ( 13ppg 5 rpg) v Brown (23ppg 7 rebs)
Steindl (20ppg 10 rpg) v Palusna (16ppg 8 rebs)
Both teams featuring vets on their benches that can contribute. Can the Redbacks contain MVP candidate Anita Brown who dropped 36 on them last time they met. Redbacks winning both regular season games by 16 and 8.
The battle in the middle I think will decide the series. Steindl v Palusna are the best bigs in the competition. This series will go 3 games and will be an epic series. Game one at Redbacks who will get the W by 8.
Andrew
Years ago
old school I agree. I went to Stirling vs Redbacks game 2 and they ran the same offense. Just dribble the ball and go one on one with 5 sec to go. They looked so disjointed. A team of individuals.
On a positive note it was great to see Kay, Norton & Steindl on the sidelines watching the game.
I've been to quite a few Wolves games this season and their teamwork is on another level to both the Redbacks and Senators.
Why would you appoint Lako as head coach?
I know he is an ex-Redbacks championship winning player but still...
So since everyone is so knowledgeable, who would be the ideal replacements for Lacko and Blacky
No really, in all seriousness name some coaches. Who is around that is capable for MSBL?
anonymous
Years ago
no-one has mentioned willeton . what a soft exit . not only the men but the women. both coaches signed before the finals for another 2 years ?
Interesting that the Balck era (Alan then Steve)started with bringing in Scott & Armor then promoting younger Black to more prominent role.
At the same time losing a number of promising juniors (Shervell, Garbelini, Selby to name a few) to other clubs.
What may have seemed as short term success now makes you wonder what the longer term vision is?
Were the $ paid to the recruits worth the results?
Mark Utley
Dion Dagastino
Wayne Creek
Michael Haney
All have had head coaching experience in MSBL and would be capable
And what are they all doing now? Are they up to date with the current trends in basketball. If you think those coaches or any current ones are interested in developing juniors at SBL level then you are seriously mistaken.
To be honest, if they advertised Head Coaching Job MSBL 2019.
Your base players are Roberts,Barrows,Redhage,Hussey,Wagner,Vigor and Smith.
You cant tell me that Joe Blogg's from Wednesday night D grade could not get that team out of the 1st round??
Seriously!
They recruit the best team but a dud coach. Boggles the mind.
Nix and Petrik all better options to move over from women's
So funny that someone said Roberts had one good game all year. Like he's playing for stats every game to get another job and takes sbl seriously or something hahahah. This is casual keep in shape time for him. Then goes off and plays in big time leagues. Hilarious.
To old skool (Stirling fan), of course they went on a 25 to 11 scoring run to end the game. They were playing against red backs d league team at the end hahahaha
Can Lacko come back on here and explain what went wrong?
700844, assuming you are correct, I'm sure Roberts teammates, coach, and club were happy for him to be so casual, and not take it seriously and let them all down while getting paid. He and the team would have all got together after the loss and pissed themselves laughing at us thinking Perth and him wanted to win!
[Then goes off and plays in big time leagues. Hilarious.]
not in a while he hasn't. Second tier comps
Bryn Arnold put in a complaint to BWA claiming the refs those them the game.
Hopefully the irony isn't lost on him; seeing how he is one of the most arrogant and vengeful referees ever
That is a hell of a lot of talent to not win it all.
Dear oh dear...
Etto sits back with big smile.
Anonymous
Years ago
Roberts is a great player, always tries hard and performs very well.
For the poster to suggest he's not taking it seriously (offseason, downtime, blah blah), and said poster by some twisted logic is possibly a Redbacks person, I think that's a pretty disrespectful claim to a great athlete.
Anonymous
Years ago
Roberts is a great player, always tries hard and performs very well.
For the poster to suggest he's not taking it seriously (offseason, downtime, blah blah), and said poster by some twisted logic is possibly a Redbacks person, I think that's a pretty disrespectful claim to a great athlete.
old skool
Years ago
I would suggest any team in this league would want Lee Roberts. He is far and away the best import his league has seen in awhile.
Also, I'm not a Stirling fan just calling it as I see it.
Also, how does fouling out Redhage & Roberts mean that your D league team is now on the floor?
They had Barrow and Hussey in their lineup.
I thought their were a couple of mysterious calls but they seemed to go both ways rather than exclusively in Stirling’s favour.
old skool
Years ago
Also the 25-11 scoring run began well before Roberts and Redhage fouled out.
Arnold never put in a complaint to BWA. He tried posting to a BWA group, it wasn't permitted because he didn’t have access.
Yes, he did claim the referees lost them both games.
Um, Roberts is a great import but settle down. To call him the best import the league has seen recently is reaching considerably...
Anonymous
Years ago
Arnold has no stock anyway he is only an assistant coach and Lako's mouthpiece. Accept the fact you lost, underachieved and get on with it.
as fun as it is to read all this redbacks fall out what are peoples thoughts on the next round of matchups?
Stirling was given no chance of beating redbacks. Do they have the capability for another upset?
Hawks have a lot of firepower and in great form. Can they continue their run?
the ageless wolves continue to position themselves as championship contenders and are now looking like the peoples favorite to take it out
Rockingham, the most talented 8th placed playoff team have just knocked off the season leaders in a 2 game sweep. Can they bring that same dominance into this next series?
Yes with Lacko's clossal meltdown and the Bucc's well doing Bucc's things come finals its wide open for the Wolves.
I actually think the Hawks could beat the Wolves, especially considering the GF would be on the Hawks home floor.
If you asked the Wolves who would be their biggest challengers they would of said Redbacks and then likely Geraldton.
Hawks maybe next best chance especially with GF at Bendat.
Wouldn't that be a treat for us all.
Lacko eliminated in spectacular style in round 1, then Etto losing the unlosable when again heavy favourites in a GF!
Luigi
Years ago
Anyone who thinks Roberts is subpar is nuts! Ask anyone who's played on a team with him and they will tell you he is one of the most competitive driven athletes in the whole comp. Has put up some crazy numbers in the past (all you people seem to care about) but this year they weren't spectacular because of how stacked the team was. I agree with the above that any club would love to have him on their team. Elite defender, rebounder and can get hot on O still.
Whoah.. never said subpar? He's a great import i was only questioning the "best the league has seen" part.. he is high character and always produces. But the league has seen some impressive imports
"Also, how does fouling out Redhage & Roberts mean that your D league team is now on the floor?"
Ben Smith and Michael Vigor also fouled out, Hussey was limited by early foul trouble and played with 4 fouls, and Wagner was concussed.
I thought you said you were at the game?
Wolves have beaten Hawks before in a GF at Bendat. However, I believe this year's Hawks team is better than their 2011 squad. Wolves have a similar identity this year as they did in 2011.
Howwwl
Years ago
Both teams have to get through to the GF first, and I think Wolves have a greater chance than PL do of getting through. Wolves also have far more GF experience in their team, and are learning from past mistakes/losses and have adjusted their preparation as such. Aside from the court and the rings, which Wolves will have a chance to accommodate themselves to over the next three weeks (they are training at Bendat on Tuesday nights for remainder of season), it will be far from a "home court" advantage for PL in the GF- the crowd will easily be a 50-50 split at LEAST, and Wolves will be on the home bench
Do you mean the Joondalup Hawks?? I mean considering they are training at Bendat after the Hawks practice is pretty insane but it would be hilariously funny if they don't even make it past Stirling
Anonymous
Years ago
Good clubs make adjustments, understand issues, and do everything in their power to prepare.
Bad clubs (and there's more than a few at SBL level) point the finger and cast silly comments...
Circle of Life.
That's why the well managed Wolves are always here, every year.
Wow at the Wolves hate. They have lost half the Grand Finals they have been as favourites so are trying to rectify this by becoming more familiar with the venue of the final beforehand. Not arrogance just a precautionary step.
it would be funny if Stirling and Rockingham followed suit and they all started training at Bendat
Anon
Years ago
If they don't make the GF it would not be a wasted exercise,makes a lot of sense to train at Bendat ..I am not a Wolves Supporter .
agreed makes perfect sense and if my club was in the same boat i would expect the same
Anon
Years ago
You would think they would have the decency to atleast do it on a Monday or Wednesday instead of hanging around at the end of a Hawks training
There is very limited court availability at bendat so probably took whatever space was available. Surely they wouldn't have chosen a late night session time
Hawks should be moved somewhere else anyway. Bendat should be completely neutral.
^ Just like the MCG is completely neutral for AFL...
Anonymous
Years ago
Enough of 'court-gate', seems a non issue. But I guess we all like to debate something.
Let's debate Hire vs. Holmen, surprised this hasn't come up yet.
I think it's a gladiatorial match-up - and even money so far, but someone persuade me otherwise?
Anonomous
Years ago
If the Hawks were moved away from Bendat then BWA would lose $150k and be bankrupt.
my mate plays for wanneroo and he reckons the boys feel flat training at Bendat, blames it on the extra commute from Joondalup. Don't know how they manage to play road games then if they are that soft, but hey its not me training/playing so...
Anonomous
Years ago
The last time the Wolves played the Hawks in a G/F Hire was a beast, got every rebound and gave no second chances. Robbins WWF'd Lee into submission and the Hawks coach is still trying to work out what a pick is if it's not that thing used to break ground.
looking at BWA annual report they get over $500k form admissions, and over $300k from nominations , so probably 90% would be from hawks affiliated people (for training hire, wabl, domestic, juniors, seniors etc) so above comment is correct but low.
If any other club/association played there Bendat would generate the same turnover.
Anonomous
Years ago
Yeah right. So if Joondalup, Rocko, kalamunda etc played there, they would have over 200 teams of juniors travel to Floreat to play each Saturday.
The Perry Lakes Hawks were based in the Floreat area before BWA - their offices were once in the city. BBC replaced Perry Lakes Stadium. There is no where else Hawks could be based. The Hawks are an isolated association in the western suburbs. Other clubs wish they could have the luxury of playing at the home of basketball. Not Hawks fault.
Anonomous
Years ago
The old Perry Lakes stadium and, I'm sure, the Bendat stadium, was and is available to other clubs if they were to choose to move there.
Would be great for the finances of basketball in WA if another club moved in - when they added another few courts. Bendat has been outgrown by demand already.
back in the 1980s, Stirling and East Perth had stints at Perry Lakes Stadium. There are simply no facilities at Bendat BC to cater for any more tenants. You have to remember, being based at Bendat has disadvantages as well. Hawks have to compete with Lynx and Wildcats and State champs and country champs. They have no access to courts during summer. There is no way another association will ever move to Bendat
"Hawks should be moved somewhere else anyway. Bendat should be completely neutral."
hahaha yeah rightio - where would you move the hawks?
Poster who says Roberts has played in second tier comps, do you even know why? Wasn't basketball related. And to be one of the faces of a league that’s top 5 in the world, you have no idea mate. Give him the respect he deserves and has worked so hard for
From someone who knows the BWA well, the annual report doesn't consider Hawks admissions. BWA and Hawks are two completely different organisations. Hawks admissions come in, goes to Hawks, and the court hire goes to Venueswest, NOT BWA. The admissions on the BWA report at WABL Finals, State Champs, Country Champs and probably SBL Grand Final.
BWA doesn’t include a single Hawks income in their books. There is a serious misconception that BWA favours Hawks, with the exact same thinking above. As someone said, Hawks simply work in the same building. BWA work in the same building as Wildcats, yet they have ZERO to do with them.
Can we put a nail in this discussion. it's the exact same discussion as the AFL Grand Final. Bendat is the home of basketball, fitting that the GF is played there. not to mention, why would BWA move the Grand Final away from their offices. Resource wise it would be suicidal. If Peter Campbell from Facebook had his way, the Grand Finals would be played at Morley...
nope, court hire for Hawks goes through BWA. Hawks pay BWA to use courts. BWA run the day-to-day operations at bendat. BWA control the courts, whereby they pay nothing for their own use. Venues west have NOTHING to do with the place anymore
I work for BWA and can categorically say that you are wrong.
^lol what the hell are you doing on this forum? this forum is for numpties to rant and make shit up. Plus it's good banter. It's like when Gavin Field's mother commented on here a few months back - sad times.
"I work for BWA and can categorically say that you are wrong."
oh dear, we've stooped too low people. We've got supposed BWA staff patrolling this forum haha
[Poster who says Roberts has played in second tier comps, do you even know why? Wasn't basketball related. And to be one of the faces of a league that's top 5 in the world, you have no idea mate]
SBL 2nd tier comp
Italy Serie A2 - 2nd tier comp
Israel National League - 2nd tier comp (the Winners League is the top comp in that country).
Argentina TNA - 2nd tier comp
Germany ProB - 2nd tier comp
Japan B2 - 2nd tier comp
Even his college - Findlay is NCAA division 2.
Not ragging on the guy, but poster who really had a sad about the guy mentioning he played 2nd tier comps isn't exactly wrong.
Roberts is a beast. He outworks pretty much everyone on the court and that is how he is successful. He is bigger stronger and more physical so when he gets to higher leagues that advantage diminishes.
Interesting that his averages were so much lower this year than the last season at the redbacks. Was he hurt? Bad coaching? Not enough ball to go around?
will all 3 country teams in the MSBL be looking for new coaches next season?
there was constant talk all season the catalano was no good and just took the job because know one else put there hand up or applied.
what about paul craig - multiple championship winner and knows his stuff.
you would think that ray evans has run his race as well, people are bagging lako and evans slips under the radar.
what about big dan hunt coming back to gero to perhaps coach ?it sounds like his son liam is going to base himself in Geraldton. dan logical choice.
giants is the most interesting one with scott rubbery departing the job.
their fill in coach nicholls done a good job and is still in kalg - maybe he is the logical choice.
I hope all 3 clubs can get organised early and get back up into the top 4 teams in the league once again .
Interesting that his averages were so much lower this year than the last season at the redbacks. Was he hurt? Bad coaching? Not enough ball to go around?
Bad coaching for sure.
They should hold a royal commission into Lackovic and the Redbacks 2018 SBL season.
1st Round exit! It really is beyond belief.
Repost correct thread. Sorry.
Why when you go to SBL website first article is from June 24th??
"Trending" in the SBL is the 2018 Fixtures being released.
"Latest in SBL" Has week 15 game recaps.
Maybe I need to get with the times as assume all the info is now on twitter/facebook?
Surely updating the website during finals isnt hard!!!
No wonder we get viewed as bush league by outsiders.
Ray Evans didn't lose those games for Geraldton.
^are you suggesting he lost them for the bookies?
Hey sorry all, can anyone help me out.
Ive been away for work in Tristan da Cunha (South Atlantic Ocean).
No reception/internet out there except via Sat phone.
Anyway Im flying back to Perth tonight, going to catch the Redbacks Men's semi final game tomorrow.
Can anyone tell me where they play?
Cant find it the website (only had quick look).
Have they changed the format?
Pleased to hear.
shit troll. Thanks for taking the time to come up with a great back story though
hopefully the Magic can hold on against Redbacks in game one. Be great for them to return to the GF - they need a title. 0/5 in grandies
I think the Suns may be slightly out of their depths...
Yeah the suns are. Considering Schwagmeyer didnt even play.
no swaggy for Lightning and no ciaba for Suns. Dire effort by the Suns
Lakeside with the dream run. First game with a starter injured all year, and happen to play Suns without Chiba and Williams. No Boag for Magic next round, with Haleen and Klastorny both hurt too.
Great team and deserved champs, but would love to see them play someone with all their players
koberulz
Years ago
No Boag for Magic next roundDid the Magic win game two while I wasn't looking?
Redbacks had everyone, at home, no Emma K for Magic.
Good luck on the road with Em back
Observer
Years ago
Come on kids
Boag hasnt been there all season. Serious knee injury
SIT UP and PAY ATTENTION
Hawks may be done. Holmen out for the game and may be done for the season. Rockingham looking great.
koberulz
Years ago
Redbacks had everyone, at home, no Emma K for Magic.Magic won by a point. I wouldn't be calling the series either way based on that game.
Good luck on the road with Em back
Does home court really mean all that much in SBL? Nobody's traveling that far and crowds are generally pretty close to 50/50 anyway. Outside of Geraldton, Goldfields and Bunbury I'm skeptical of the notion there's that much of an effect.
I dont think the redbacks-magic game 2 will be decided by a missed call on the last play again, redbacks to win by big margin
TH62
Years ago
Rockingham is not looking great, it's more like the Hawks were ordinary after Holmen went down ( hope wasn't the ACL, he didn't looked good), was looking forward to his battle with Hire.
The Flames had problems with the zone, about 40% of their shots were from long range, but only made about 20% of them.
When they execute and play with discipline they're good, but some 3's they launched was 3-4 seconds on the shot clock with the rest of the team still at half court.
The Flames help defense at best is at U16 level, not the first time, they have problems helping on cutters or even on a basic backdoor.
Still without Holmen the second game will be a formality only,but they will need way more than tonight against the Wolves
Anonymous
Years ago
Ok MC thanks for your input. Sorry the Hawks disappointed you because we all know you hate Rockingham. Enjoy drinking that Haterade all week
TH62
Years ago
If the MC was directed at me you're way off your mark, my son plays for the Flames so have no reason to hate them :)
Yes, i was disappointed to see Holmen hurt, unless you are the creature who was sitting in front of me laughing and cheering when it happened you would feel the same, then again i don't know you, so...
I stated that Rocko shot heaps of 3's, if i'm wrong i stand corrected, ditto about the percentage, these were facts, regardless who your team is.
Rocko has the tendency to ball watch, if you watch the game (and understand it) you would see it; not guessing way, i'm not a player or coach, so i don't have a clue.
I believe that the Flames can play a really great offensive set when they're focused, they have the players, experience, they compensate well for their lack of height, but they're a young team and they can be exposed unless they're playing the starters for a long time.
I still believe that the Flames will take the series 2-0, probably play the Wolves in the final and, regardless what some might say i reckon it will be a great game.
Mind you i'd prefer Flames vs Senators, seeing Ellis and White on opposing teams, Hire vs Ellis and, of course, the sentimental part, two lower ranked teams making it to the big dance :)
Guess now this makes me a Wolves hater too :)
So as each hour,day and week tick over the league is self destructing around itself, and one man is sitting with a big smirk on his face.
All the ducks are lining up nicely for old mate Ettridge.
No Buccs, No reds, Holmen gone down.
Hawks not only played poorly but they are in a semi final now with two starters gone. Holmen being the most recent and in game so to make adjustments like that on the fly when he is a very huge part of the offensive and defensive strategy is hard to over come. I honestly feel so awful for Jacob as he is a great team guy and has respect from lots of guys around the league.
Hawks will have an uphill battle for sure.
is rintala going to be available this weekend for the suns.
also is ciabattoni available this weekend.
if both these girls are unavailable we could possibly see another major blow out - even without schagmeyer. was that result on Friday night 51 points a record semi-final loss.
not sure if steindel got injured Friday went down hard, and limping after game apparently.
Hawks are too well drilled to not give game 2 a red hot crack. They have enough left even without the missing guys to cause Rocko some serious issues. One thing that you can count on is that they won't go into the game underprepared and without a solid plan in place. Just need to stick to what’s worked this last half of the year.
Hawks will most definitely give game 2 a crack. They have a very deep team and need to simply stick to their guns.
Anonomous
Years ago
Hawks will need something special to win at Rocko. Take the best import and starting point guard out of any SBL team and they will struggle. Hard to replace that sort of experience no matter how deep the team is. And Holman is all class.
"not sure if steindel got injured Friday went down hard, and limping after game apparently."
No she looked at her dominating best and played a very very good game right to the final siren when unluckily her game winner just rimmed out!
Should be a cracking series.
Anonomous
Years ago
Well, if you thought WA SBL "fans" were delicate and salty little petals, have a look at the Southern beats Forrestville thread. They put the WA keyboard warriors to shame with the saltiest thread I've seen. Only Lacko bashing comes close.
Yep, SA has overtaken us. Didn't think that was possible until the DJgate affair.
Hawk Head
Years ago
Its great to see a WA boy cause such anarchy for the crow eaters haha. Imagine the uproar if forestville had actually won the grand final.
Wanneroo won the GF in 2011 because of Greg Hire, Wanneroo will lose the GF in 2018 because of Greg Hire
Guys like Salinas, Huntington, and Iliadis aren't the same players they were when they won the 2015 GF
The Flames men hype machine might be revving too high prematurely...
Guys like Salinas, Huntington, and Iliadis aren't the same players they were when they won the 2015 GF
Huntington is probably playing the best basketball he has for a very long time, if not ever.
But yes, the others are waaaaaaaay down on 2015 form.
TH62
Years ago
What worked for the Hawks in the second half of the season is not there anymore, respect to the players, but Holmen is a massive out and not just because the player he is.
With him on court Purser was able to play 3 where he had the advantage against White, in the first 5 minutes he was unstoppable, after Holmen got injured he had to switch to Hire and he can't contain Hire.
Carlwell is good, but he was the only big the Hawks had and he was exposed on the defensive end and at the other end the Flames picked off the passes when he sealed.
The Flames have too many shooters for the Hawks to contain, the game is at Rocko, the Hawks might have a plan, but the Flames didn't shot the ball that well, i expect a better percentage on Friday.
Unless Holmen comes back (and he's fully fit) i can't see the Hawks getting close to the Flames.
As for the Flames fans being too cocky: it's the semis, so far the Flames have every reason to be confident.
Sure, the Wolves have every reason to feel in the box seat, but so did Gero.
Both Stirling and Rockingham proved that regular season results and positions mean nothing, both Hire and White have grand final experiences, the pressure will be on the Wolves :)
It's not that Purser can't contain Hire, it's that once Holmen went down, he had to do the work of both a 3 and 4 man. The two have a long battle history and Hire always gets the upper hand.
Not an idiot
Years ago
Purser can't contain Hire are you kidding me ahahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
Anonymous
Years ago
TH62 - I actually think Purser is more a complete player than Hire; when pair stripped down and appropriately analysed.
They've had some great battles since the early years, and Ben's pride in performance has always ensured that Greg has been wary
Purser is consistently one of the SBL's best defenders
Purser vs Hire - Who wins
3 point shootout
local government mayoral election
magazine sales with their face on the cover
Anonymous
Years ago
3 point shootout - PURSER
local government mayoral election - HIRE
magazine sales with their face on the cover - TIME Magazine, or Dolly? Clarification sought for these two
most posters on this forum must be from one of the teams who are no longer in the finals, has gone mighty quiet around here, not even the trolls are active anymore
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lako ego
ettridge ego
lako cant coach against a zone
jake burstons mole
sbl is a bush league
parking at bendat
sbl write ups
sbl website is crap
hayden noordehoek in the gym
hawks have an unfair advantage
where is Random?
Josh Garlepp and Nic Cody are frequent conversation pieces as well
Anon
Years ago
Interesting last 26 seconds of the Magic v Redbacks game.Redbacks call a time out and then nothing happens after that and the game is finished.Obviously stats bench too involved in watching the game and not the clock on the computer.Did anything happen after the timeout?
no WSBL games 3s this year. Lakeside will take the grandy by 20+ points, another L for mandurah's empty club cabinet
Purser with 29 points tonight. Massive step up to fill Holmen's shoes. Hire big again - how's the continuing Purser/Hire saga? One of them will be the difference in game 3
In fairness to Mandurah, they're missing their best player. But they’re about to be 0-6 in finals
Lakeside haven’t played against a full strength team all year. Lightning by 30
Anonymous
Years ago
Wolves elite group
Very impressed tonight - as a neutral fan
IF they get going, helllo!
koberulz
Years ago
Redbacks had everyone, at home, no Emma K for Magic.Well I guess all that made a huge difference then.
Good luck on the road with Em back
Interesting last 26 seconds of the Magic v Redbacks game.Redbacks call a time out and then nothing happens after that and the game is finished.Obviously stats bench too involved in watching the game and not the clock on the computer.Did anything happen after the timeout?Not really. Lipscombe missed a rushed three on the buzzer.
Lakeside going for first title since '06, while the magic are looking to avoid being 0-6 in GFs
Did Rocko have the grandstands behind the team benches full last night?
send an SOS, Travis may be missing from this forum for a while
Hawks would have taken down Rocko in 2 had Holmen not gone down.
hey R@ndom, could you please give a GF preview for Wolves v Flame... oh ,wait
R@nD0m
Years ago
Well this must be what obscurity looks like then. Congrats to the Hawks on a well deserved win. Not sure about the we are the champions song after the game tho, particularly with the Wolves boys in attendance
koberulz
Years ago
Not sure why everyone's ragging on R@nD0m, who isn't around here much, instead of the anons who have been talking shit all week.
Not sure about the we are the champions song after the game thoWas it specifically played immediately after the game, or just part of the post-gamem playlist?
Didn't R@ndom pick Perry Lakes to win the GF at the start of the season. Also who cares if the song got played. They just won a series they were being widely tipped to get swept in after Holmen got injured. All week the Rocko train was hurtling along proclaiming how they were going to be Grand Finalists and how the Hawks had no chance of beating them in the series. I doubt the song was played deliberately but it was kind of funny. There was a completely new DJ doing the court side stuff from usual. Pretty sure it was the DJ who will be doing the GF. Probably working on his set list for the GF.
Not sure the backlash on Rocko.
They knocked off No.1 seed in Geraldton in straight games. HUGE EFFORT.
Getting 1500 people to the game on Friday, packing out Bendat on Saturday.
Well done to the club.
Yeah for sure once Holmen went down and leading 1-0 they should of progressed but they did lose in two very tight games.
A lot of praise must go to Coach Parsons (and the players for buying in to what he is selling).
Surely he is COTY once again.
Down 1-0 and a 20pt lose at home to bounce back and go on the road and force a game 3, then finish it the next tight was amazing.
No Holmen or DT.
He has done this before when Gavin went down and got it down in 2016.
Amazing effort.
I don't think the Perry Lakes DJ for game three was one of the regulars they usually have.
R@andom is one of the most unbias sbl personalities there is. If anything he is always more critical of his team when they underperform and as you can see by his post earlier, the first to give credit where credit is due.
i dont understand why people target him and call him one sided?
Trav, keep up the good work mate
Good luck to the grand finalists
Can Mansfield win his first WSBL championship?
Can Mandurah break the curse?
Can ettridge get one back for the one Parsons took a few years ago?
Will Hawks add another cup to trophy case?
"Mandurah played it after their win as well"
Mandurah have never won a championship tho? I heard they were 0 from 6 in Grand Finals, could be wrong
Have a look at the Redbacks squad that was eliminated in week 1, compare that to the Hawks team that suited up on the weekend and will now play off in a Championship game.
Nice to see the underdogs get there moment in the sunshine but boy oh boy these two grand finals this weekend are going to be some old fashioned beatdowns, Hawks and Magic couldn't combine there total score and reach 100
blueandwhite
Years ago
you would hope the wolves coaching staff wouldn't hide behind anonymous on a public forum slagging off another club all because a former player went elsewhere. wouldn't want to choke again b.e, or more people might realize the actual brains on the wolves bench are from your assistants. if you do choke though, don't start staring down the ref evaluators or texting mr bowler during the game to complain, we all know your petty tricks. go hawks
Yep, Wolves with the absolute dream run.
Etto's most feared opponents before finals started.
Redbacks
Geraldton
Perry Lakes (at Full strength)
They avoid them all.
Surely Ettridge cant stuff this one up.
Although if anyone can choke on the GF stage we no its him!!
Wolves should win by 30pts plus!
GO HAWKS!!!!
Anonymous
Years ago
"Mandurah have never won a championship tho? I heard they were 0 from 6 in Grand Finals, could be wrong"
You are right. But that song was blaring post game, hopefully for them not prematurely
We need a lineup summary for each team to see how they compare
The outcome of this year's GF could be similar to Wolves vs Slammers in 2015 - a boring, slogfest blowout. Hopefully the Hawks can make a game of it. They have the grit and grind. Such a shame Holmen isn't apart of it.
GoHawks
Years ago
Wolves coaching staff aka the leader of the pack himself undoubtedly @blueandwhite. and he wonders why the only people behind the Wolves are their supporters themselves. it's a shame one person can cause so much hate towards the club. I’m sure most don’t hate the club they hate the coach.
Apparently he needs reminding that the player from the club he is continuously hating on is the player that WON him the championship a few years back (funnily the last one he won before he couldn’t win anymore aside from Saturday’s championship that’s being handed to him). if he weren’t so arrogant (for reasons no one knows of, he won ONE championship how many years ago?) then maybe Hire would still be there dominating Saturday night for him too. We all know the Mayor wouldn’t have left his town for no reason.
Wolves will win on Friday because they have been handed this on a silver platter and should be thanking Holmen for not playing, Rocko for knocking off Gero and Stirling for beating Redbacks. they are the only side full strength and if they don’t win and the usual 'choking-curse’ strikes again then everyone will be shocked. I don’t think anyone is expecting Hawks to win we are just all hoping . So Ettridge take your championship you won’t even have to work for Saturday night and get it over with already. Whoopdy-do!
Wolves (unfortunately) by 30.
Agreed but the wildcard is Ettridge has choked before to an awful Lakeside team in a GF. It could happen again.
Oh Hire, sorry thought they were talking about Hawks.
anon
Years ago
I think Etto's record speaks for itself - 6 grand finals in 8 years. 2 championships and they are in with an opportunity of a 3rd.
Love him or hate him, from an outsiders perspective he has done a pretty good job.
I remember the same being said about the Hawks in the early 2000's - remember the concern with an SBL Chief Commisioner also being the head coach of the team that was dominating???
Anonymous
Years ago
If the Wolves lose, Ettridge should count his lucky stars if his contract is locked in past 2018
Ettridge is the new Scott Morrison.
He is Steve Bradburing his way to 2018 title.
PS - Lackovic can be Peter Dutton.
guys, Ettridge did not coach the Wolves in 2013 and 2014. He was not the coach in 2013 when the Wolves lost to Lakeside - Craig Friday was. This is Ettridge's sixth season as coach of the Wolves ('11, '12, '15, '16, '17, '18). He has been a grand final coach in five of his six seasons.
The wolves are in the hot seat, but never count out the heart of a champion. The Hawks have 6 guys (coaches and players) who have been in championship games and won, they know what it takes and Parsons will have them ready to go for sure. The Hawks boys have been battling all year and had injuries all year. They went on a 5 game slide early on and no one gave them a chance and now look where they are. One game away from an amazing run.
Hawks and Wolves split during the regular season
Hawks got demolished by the Wolves but was in the middle of their 5 game slide.
Since then they have won 16 of their last 18 games, including a 2 point win against Wolves.
Everyone saying Wolves will wipe the floor with Hawks is crazy
Hawks are on their home court
they have momentum
parsons has beaten ettridge in a similar situation before. Cockburn without Gavin Field were given no hope of beating the Wolves back in 2016.
The hawks actually create some matchup issues for Wolves. They dont really have anyone who matches up on Purser very well at all.
Carlwell could be a BIG problem for them too.
If Ben purser can play like he did against Rocko in game 3, the Hawks will win this game
agree re match-up issue with Purser, but with no Holmen, Billups is a massive match-up issue for the Hawks
Yeah the problem is Carlwell cant guard anyone on that team.
They will have to hide him in a zone to keep him on the court.
Wolves would have to be the biggest GF favourites that I can remember.
That is no disrespect to the Hawks, what they have managed to do so far is unbelievable to be honest.
Hawks best chance is to sit in a zone with a bit of man in there every now and then to mix things up, and hope the Wolves just bomb from deep and don't make too many.
We all know with Etto and his ego it wont allow for him to make in game changes when he is being out coached.
Hawks best option is to just play the way they have. They have nothing to lose here. They have been doubted all year and surprise surprise......
dont forget the wolves have been training at Bendat
training at bendat since October 14, 2017?!? negatory
Anon
Years ago
Is anyone far more talented, articulate and knowledgeable than I going to provide a Men's preview?
Purser v Billups
Carwell v Huntington
Cummings v Sullivan
There's some quality match-ups
all except for the cummings v sullivan matchup
cummings v illiadis?
R@nD0m
Years ago
Women's Preview
Lakeside Lightning (1) vs Mandurah Magic (6)
Friday Night 7:30pm Bendat Basketball Centre
So the form team of the season and minor champions in the Lightning get set to take on a Mandurah team who is yet to taste the ultimate success, despite making it to the big dance five times before this year. So it is fair to say the pressure to win will be felt by both clubs in this clash, but for entirely different reasons
For Lakeside - They have been the standout team all season, only suffering the one loss and have been relatively unchallenged through the Quarter and Semi Finals. Injury cloud hanging over Schagmeyer also doesn't help Coach Mansfield but they do have the most potent combination in the League in Schwag, Fipps & Grant. Lakeside averaged 89.6ppg whilst only allowing a measly 72.5ppg. For the Magic to have a chance of the upset in this one, they will really have to restrict one of the Big 3 for the Lightning and force one of Mansfield's role players to step up on the biggest night of the year
For Mandurah - What a finals series they have had. Firstly knocking off their arch rival in the Flames, then backing that up and disposing of the Redbacks in two thrilling games. Where the Lightning have to good scoring guards / forward in Schwag and Fipps, the Magic are led by one of the best floor generals in the League in Brown. Given her speed, you would imagine Byrnes will initially get the job to contain Mandurah's stud guard, but if she gets going early and with Schwag's knee issues, it is hard to see who will be able to contain Brown for Lakeside. The matchup inside between Palusna and Grant will be huge, as will Milo vs Fipps whilst the likes of the Klasztorny sisters, Halleen will have to really contribute for Coach Miegel to taste the ultimate success and win the Peel clubs their first championship banner.
Interesting Note:
* Lakeside have played at Bendat twice this year, once during the season and once during the finals - In both games they only scored 71 points, well below their season average. In their only game at Headquarters all the way back in Round 1, the Magic scored 69 points - so based off that alone, this could be a lot closer than many would expect
No prediction but I think in front of one of the biggest Women's GF Crowds in recent times, this could be one of the classic's we talk about for years to come. Best of luck to both teams - I will be there with 98five covering the play by play with Cougars Legend Fleur McIntyre so hopefully we have a great showcase to another amazing year in the Women's SBL.
Could be a slog fest, but Lakeside by at least 10+
fun fact: the magic have made 6 grand finals but faced just 3 opponents. Hawks ('03, '17), Tigers ('05, '09) and Lightning ('06, '18).
Good Luck Mandurah.
Milo deserves a championship!
if Milo deserved a championship she would have it by now, what Milo really deserves is a glass of milk, a scoop of vanilla ice cream and a sprinkling of malt, mmmm delicious
Where's the Lakeside coaching staff preview this week?
if Milo deserved a championship she would have it by now, what Milo really deserves is a glass of milk, a scoop of vanilla ice cream and a sprinkling of malt, mmmm delicious
OMG, thats so funny!!
That is an absolute gut busting classic, I see what you did there.
You took Milo as in the players nickname, then you word played it with the powdered drink.
That is so awesome.
You should get on the panel "Have you been paying attention" with gems like that.
I wish i could hang out with you, even ifs just for your lunch break!
I quite enjoyed it, although I prefer my Milo as a hot drink with a side of marshmallows
koberulz
Years ago
Losing a grand final from sixth place to a team that lost one game all year is hardly "choking".
they had the game though... up 10 with 5 minutes left. To allow a 21-0 run at the end epitomises the Magic program
new thread http://www.hoops.com.au/forum/43837-wa-sbl-sept-off-season-2018-19/
Too many haters against Magic and i dont even follow the WSBL, reaching the GF is no easy feat and that is what reflects their program, regardless of the result.
Also all the keyboard warriors hating this or that, particularly against the SBL, where are you know acknowledging the great job they have done on the promo of the final series, great Semis and streaming the GF's and posting recaps of the game.
Cant wait for 2019 Season
To gutless wonders
Years ago
Where are the moderators on this one.
'No sniping at other clubs'.
Quick on some. . . not on others.
Beefcake
Years ago
Any team that does not score over its final 12 possessions whilst the opposition score 21 points on their corresponding possessions deserves to lose the game, grand final or not. Hats off to Laleside, they beat a more talented side with their style of play. They were by far the most efficient team on the floor.
Now I guess the Magic buy better talent (glad I'm not one of their wabl parents) to go the next step. Their window of opportunity is closing quickly though.
R@ND0m
Years ago
Yes streaming again tonight from 7:20pm through the SBL Facebook page. Myself and Mark Utley will be on commentary. For those wanting to listen to the game if unable to watch, 98five will also have the audio play by play simulcast from 7:20
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