Anonymous
Years ago

Wortho on post-career depression

Post on Linkedin

Throughout my career I was faced with many challenges but post career depression is the hardest thing I've ever faced.
I was fortunate to live such an amazing and public career over a decade. The love/hate relationship I shared with the Australian basketball community was something I cherished. I didn’t care if you hated me with my only goal to get people talking about basketball. However, people assume that throughout all of that, that I would be ok in life after basketball. It’s been quite different.
I’ve hurt people over the last few years and I’ve lost contact with many.
I urge all young athletes that are living the dream to start preparing for life after sport. It’s a lot more difficult than you think. I’m not the first to suffer from depression and I won’t be the last. I’m not crying out for attention and I’m getting help I just hope that this message can positively impact someone else.


I hope he turns things around and gets the help he needs.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Probably more career transition than post-career? Or, if the money situation is sorted, transition from career to hobby or lifestyle change.

I imagine it is definitely a break for athletes who go from spending every day with 10-20 teammates/coaches/support stuff, to hitting the reality of a desk job (maybe solo or in a small team), or being a bit listless and aimless.

Worth speaking out about for sure.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Good on him for speaking out

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AKA  
Years ago

This is a really important aspect for most professional sporting leagues around the world and a difficult one to get a resolution to. I have a couple of mates in the NBL who are getting on in age and I recently asked them why wanted to keep playing. Is it the love of the sport or other and they both answered the same way which rung alarm bells for me. They said basketball is all they have known and they wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they didn't have it in their life. It provides structure, a sense of purpose and a place they are familiar with. They get told where to be, what to do and how to do it.

They are both smart guys who will work it out when retirement from playing come calling and already have some things in the background to prepare them for the transition, but I have made a note to check in constantly when the time comes as what Wortho is experiencing would be all too common. I hope he pulls through it and that anyone else feeling the same way has the courage to speak up.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes read his FB post and pleased to see he went public. Certainly lots of likes and support there. Good on him for doing so.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's so sad, but also not always an easy fix. For those who don't get a transition into media or a job through contacts they've made over the years it's not exactly easy to get a look in for a job. If you're mid 30s and all you've played is basketball, a lot of employers aren't interested unless it's something connected to sport/your profile etc. But even profile doesn't last long, you're soon forgotten and people move on. The economy isn't exactly booming at the moment either, which means employers are ever more picky.
I do hope someone can help him. It's a terrible situation.

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Isaac  
Years ago

AKA, probably some similarities with life after a military career. Friendships, structure, discipline, etc.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Imagine what NBA and NFL players go through. From being this huge fish with so much attention, to an everyday person (albeit with a lot more money). I guess that's why some go broke or go crazy on drugs etc.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'd be depressed too if I had to live in Cairns.

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AKA  
Years ago

Good point Isaac. Definitely not unique to only the sporting fields and I imagine it would be more prevalent in men in-line with general society.

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.  
Years ago

Dealing with the come down from anything in life is a challenge. I moved from a fast paced average city job to good rural australia job and it took me 6 months to adjust and that was just employment. So the more the emotional investment, the more the adjustment. If I ever felt anything like depression creeping in I put that energy into use in a positive manner by occupying myself with new positive influences and people. Even if it was simple things like exercise, music or anything creative.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not to sound harsh but I'm not surprised it has been hard on him and as isaac said it would be a career and monetary level issue more than anything. He was probably the most overpaid player in the NBL relative to his output during his career post Kings. Never produced what he did under Goorjian who got the best out of him which paved the way for nice deals afterwards. At every other club he was taking it easy and for a pro athelete to have no muscle definition/refuse to hit the gym was shocking to me.

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Huskypup  
Years ago

"At every other club he was taking it easy and for a pro athelete to have no muscle definition/refuse to hit the gym was shocking to me."
Guess you haven't watched a lot of NBL then.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I have but he was by far the worst.

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Jack Toft  
Years ago

Anytime there is a change in someone's life there is a risk of a depressive episode. Changes can be childbirth, loss of a job, loss of a loved one etc.

There are probably more athletes who are affected by this than we know, or are willing to accept. Some codes have an excellent athlete management system where they focus not only on the sport, but outside the sport and post sport. One of my children's partners plays top level sport and they have told me how much time they spend with the sports psych as well as training.

As far as armed forces are concerned. There is actually a lot of talk at the moment on how the ADF manages the transition of veterans post service and what they can do to support them more. They found that the rate of mental illness while they were serving was less than the general population, but after a few years in civilian life, the rate of mental illness was actually a factor of the base population.

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LoveBroker  
Years ago

This will sound harsh but this is a first world problem.

"People used to love me or hate me, now no one is talking about me" ...so I'm depressed.

Ummmm...there are people out there with real issues out there that continue to soldier on. People who are have a disability, people with life threatening illnesses, people who have suffered a loss of a loved one or even people with financial disadvantage.

Wortho has lived a good life so far devoid of much of the above.

I don't do the toughen up princess thing, I understand people are different and have different tolerance levels, but his 'problems' seem minute compared to others.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"People used to love me or hate me, now no one is talking about me" ...so I'm depressed."

Where did he say that?

The issue would be that for the past 15-20 years of his life, he's had structure. Practice, game nights, preparation that goes in to both, comradery and mateship from the club environment, but suddenly thats gone. I don't blame him for feeling depressed. Imagine doing something so enjoyable for a career for your entire adult life then have to give it away with nothing coming close to replacing it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Didn't he coach QBL Cairns women's team and also go to US to be assistant at his old college? Did these fall through?

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Isaac  
Years ago

LoveBroker's post was sin-binned but I've returned it. It's probably insensitive, but might bring about some reasonable discussion.

There's always someone who has it worse, but I do think more people openly discussing their problems can only help those going through difficult times. It's more commonplace than people suspect. Everyone is fighting their personal battles. Some are in tougher situations or predisposed to find those challenges more difficult.

Steven Adams wrote/spoke (a book?) recently about tough times while at college - loneliness, homesickness, etc. Part of my initial reaction was "doesn't sound like the end of the world", but for him, at that time, I'm sure it was a major aspect of his mental health. It can hamper anyone.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I thought my entry was harsh but LoveBroker really went deeper.

The issue is these pro sports people don't realise how good they have it. Then their life becomes mundane after sports and they think their worlds are ending. They need to accept it's over. I agree not really a problem. Harsh but true.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"People used to love me or hate me, now no one is talking about me" ...so I'm depressed.

Then they come out as being depressed to the public to get a little bit more attention.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Then they come out as being depressed to the public to get a little bit more attention."

Says the guy who acts like a complete moron just to get attention...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How about discussing the issue not calling people names to get attention?

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AD  
Years ago

I think he's Dickhead, but I feel for him, and good on him for speaking out.

There is big difference between sadness/ maladjustment, and actual Depression.
An analogy might be having brittle bones. A fall that most people will simply stand-up and shake off, can cripple. For those at risk of depression, employment and career are huge factors for young males. It is deeply enmeshed in our sense of who we are.

Unfortunately "having it all" doesn't make you immune from depression. That's not how it works. He may well have a cushy retirement, doesn't matter.

Ignorant comments from moronic twats such as LB are unfortunately indicative of the huge misunderstanding and stigma still attached to mental illness. If Wortho had been hit by a car, and lost the use of his legs, nobody would tell him to suck it up and stop whinging. Yet for many people depression can be far more debilitating.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Dazz you don't get it.

Sure he may be depressed but the thing is the dude was on the gravy train for so long and didn't prepare for normal life. What, he wants the gravy train to continute forever? Athletes don't seem to get it - it's a privilege not a right for life when you are a pro athlete.

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UseTaHoop  
Years ago

The DSM V has a diagnostic category: Adjustment Disorder

This can present in a person as anxiety and depressive symptomology. Serious stuff.

"Definition

Adjustment disorder is an abnormal and excessive reaction to an identifiable life stressor. The reaction is more severe than would normally be expected and can result in significant impairment in social, occupational, or academic functioning. Symptoms must arise within three months of the onset of the stressor and last no longer than six months after the stressor has ended.

The response may be linked to a single event (a flood or fire, marriage, divorce, starting school, a new job) or multiple events (marital problems or severe business difficulties). Stressors may be recurrent events (a child witnessing parents constantly fighting, chemotherapy, financial difficulties) or continuous (living in a crime-ridden neighborhood).

Adjustment disorder often occurs with one or more of the following: depressed mood, anxiety, disturbance of conduct (in which the patient violates rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules), and maladaptive reactions (i.e. problems related to work or school, physical complaints, social isolation).

Adjustment disorders are associated with high risk of suicide and suicidal behavior, substance abuse, and the prolongation of other medical disorders or interference with their treatment. Adjustment disorder that persists may progress to become a more severe mental disorder, such as major depressive disorder.

Adjustment disorder is sometimes referred to as Situational Depression.

Symptoms

Depressed mood
Impaired occupational/social functioning
Agitation
Trembling or twitching
Physical complaints (e.g. general aches and pains, stomachache, headache, chest pain)
Palpitations
Conduct disturbances (e.g. truancy, vandalism, reckless driving or fighting)
Withdrawal
Anxiety, worry, stress and tension
Note: Symptoms may vary widely. The person may or may not be aware of the stressor causing the disturbance.“

(Psychology Today, retrieved 31/7/2018).

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UseTaHoop  
Years ago

I also seem to recall reading of a retiring athlete specific condition. The psych interviewed referred to 2 specific retired NBL players who had had legal issues post-career.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

His Linkedin does say that he is unemployed.

He did have a grad assistant coaching role with Dunlap. If that didn't work out or if there were/are family issues negative thought patterns can snowball pretty quickly.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If Mods aren't willing to deal with all the moronic shithead comments, they should just lock the thread.

People with mental illness face enough problems, ignorance, and discrimination, without having to read the same tripe on a basketball forum.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think an ex NBLer in worse shape is Luke Martin.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#912 if someone doesn't share your viewpoint it isn't "moronic" or "shithead".

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AngusH  
Years ago

I'd say there are a few anonymous posters in this thread who count as moronic and/or shitheads, maybe cowards too considering the lack of a name to their comments, regardless of my viewpoint.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sadly, this scenario reminds of Blair Smith. I sincerely hope Wortho gets through this.

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Camel 31  
Years ago

I had the blues because I had no shoes , until upon the street
I met a man who had no feet.

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Very Old  
Years ago

" but for him, at that time, I'm sure it was a major aspect of his mental health. It can hamper anyone."

a very important observation.

"I'd say there are a few anonymous posters in this thread who count as moronic and/or shitheads, maybe cowards too considering the lack of a name to their comments,"

no question that this is true, their posts simply confirm that there are always a (hopefully) minority of the population that are unfairly and unjustifiably judgmental, biased and bigoted on issues that they are probably willfully ignorant of, and it's this small part of our community that makes the most significant problems for others, and of whom the unscrupulous can take greedy advantage off ( alt right and tin hat professional manipulators/politicians)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I had the blues because I had no shoes , until upon the street
I met a man who had no feet.

Nailed it!

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Big Ads  
Years ago

I sense irony in the posts which attempt to diminish the validity of Mark's perceived mental state. I hope I am wrong.

For those of you who might think things could be going much better but feel alone, lost, or a burden on others, please consider this......

The worst possible outcome you may have contemplated is likely to cause considerably greater harm than an honest and open discussion (or discussions) about your fears with people who support you. Seek help now and prevent persistent negative thoughts dominating how you view your life.

Be kind people, to yourself and others.

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