Based on Friday's performance it's anyone's game tonight.

Philippines now know Australia can be beaten so they will be playing with 110% intensity which we also need to match.

If Australia run some plays inside and stop jacking up lazy threes we should be good.

There's a news that some members of Aussie team remove the stickers/decals on the court which is fiba approved. Team Philippines are angry saying it's very disrespectful towards the host nation.

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Sorry mate. U guess it wrong. You kept saying that since day 1. Lmao.

Well try to read other forums. Like the lebanese basketball forum, China basketball forum, Philippine basketball forum. Etc. You can also try real gm and interbasket forum. Asia basket net and eurobasket net. You are way to funny. It seems that you really are not fan of the game just the team you support.

Hater? All I said was we can't win against China's full line up with our current team. W/out nba and Euro players. Or the 2nd game vs Japan will be a closer than the 1st one. Where's the hate? Don't you deny it cause you can back read the thread's where I post it. Ohh how did u know about the decals/stickers being only in ph media. Hmmm. Fishy huh! Don't worry I can understand where you're coming from. When I played Div1 there's so much like you there. Hahaha.

What happened? Did I hurt your ego or something. Watch for team Qatar they are starting to field the magic 12. Meaning the kids from Bosnia that they adopted. Lol.

It doesn't offend me. But aussie soccer is not good either. Lol I'll pick iran and japan over Australia. Japan is on the knock out stage. Hope they can pull an upset.

Don't get me wrong I have high respect to Australian football. Especially tim he did a good job in Australian football. But my fave tean portugal can beat them even their B team.

That's true. Haha. B team portugal will beat an Aussie team. In football. Haha.

2006 was a while ago...

Exactly it's history. We are talking now. Lol. You seem to get hurt a lot. When it comes to your team losing. Hahaha. Chill. You cry baby.

I don't know but. In asian standard you are good. Hopefully aussie football can level up it's game. Just u know to change the football landscape in world cup. It's always euro and South America.

Hopefully a better game for the boomers this time. My wife won't be happy if it's another L. Lol.

Yeah. Hahaha. A nothing beats a beautiful Aussie blonde wife smiling.hahaha.

FoxSports channel 506 btw at 9:20PM AEST

I think brazil will win it all the way.

Big mental test for the Boomers. This is by far the most chairs they've ever played in front of.

Someone posted a link above, and it shows a very high quality Iran vs Kazykstan game...

Can anyone read chinese and tell me which other link to click haha

http://www.360zhibo.com/link.html?id=http://www.entgroup.com/12098

Any stream links?

Thanks anon

The link laggy for anyone else?

Probably my shitty internet

not Even Thon expected that pass from Delly.

Is Thon injured? He can't get off the ground.

Those Filipino guards are so slippery. You cannot pin them down.

Sensational crowd and great stadium but obviously not a basketball facility. Too big a gap from the court to the crowd where you lose 50% of the atmosphere.

I'm still on the one I posted a while ago and it's working fine. Cheers

Interesting seeing Maker in this one. At halftime, some lowlights but also some big highlights. That block on Blatche was an incredible recovery. It is exciting seeing him in a Boomers uniform and he looks promising for future Boomers teams. I hope we see Maker commit to a lot more internationals. He could really benefit from the experience and can consolidate an important role on the team.

In this team, we really need his defensive presence. We have just he and Brandt offering any solid interior defense.

Thank anon. Connected to 5G and all good

Alley oop from range

Delly and Maker showing their chemistry playing together.

Japan trashed them

Goulding having a very impressive game.

RIOT!!!

Holy shit ... that is fucked up

This is the most shameful display by the Philippines

HOW MANY TECHS FOR THAT???

Nice one GOULDING hahaha

HOLY SHIT!

Disgraceful? Lol. KickHurt started it all. Hahaha.

Horrible stuff. Kickert did start it.

Got sucked in by Goulding's flop.

This is the most shameful moment I've seen in international basketbal. Kickert was a dick, but Philippines should be so ashamed.

Goulding and Kickhurt! Hahaha what a shame!

Wow. That attack on Sobey is something else.

Who did the Philippines bench pile onto? Goulding? Sobey? Disgraceful.

Thon's martial arts game is not strong. Thank goodness.

Carl, your commentary has been ludicrous throughout this thread.

Aussies rugged play vs Pinoys no blood no foul game. Lol. But Kickhurt was caught on cam.

SO many Philippines players going for punches to heads. And not to mention the kicking pile up. And the bench completely out of control. Most of the team should be ejected.

Most of their team should be suspended after this.

Good thing Philipinos punch like 5yr olds. Lots of cheap shots by the clearing bench

rjd ridiculous? Are you watching the game? Goulding keep on flopping and trash talking then suddenly kickhurt started it all.

Wow. Classless.

Aren't you ejected if you leave the bench? Will there be any players left to finish the game?

It's already a win game for us. But then shit happens.

Nobody is arguing about Kickert's dick move. Kickert didn't start it, a Filipino elbow to Goulding did. But Kickert went too far in response. He is one guy. The response by the whole Philippines team, including the bench, was absolutely atrocious.

Now the Philippines team is taking selfies and laughing about it? Shows a complete lack of class. I didn't realise they were that bad. Even the Chinese wouldn't do that after they riot.

What is going on with these Filipinos? Are they crazy?

@ Carl, seen how many guys do a flagrant just like Kickert without leading to mob violence from the other team? Disgusting stuff from the Philippines and they deserve everything they are going to get from this.

Both teams will be suspended by fiba that's for sure.

If I was an a Boomer I would be walking out between Bradkte and Longley on the way out of the stadium.

Carl, of course I'm watching. Do you think this is an appropriate response by a team when an opposition player elbows one player? Is it ok to clear the bench like that? Pile on players? Wake up, dude.

Carl you are delusional.

I don't know. It's already a done deal. A win for us he doesn't have to do that. I mean common man. Just get the W and go home.

"Goulding keep on flopping and trash talking then suddenly kickhurt started it all."

A new FIBA rule proposed by Carl: bench may be cleared to start a riot if a player flops and trash talks.

By the way, do you really think the last play involving Goulding was a flop? Was it a phantom elbow? Of course you are being ridiculous if your contention is that.

Every player not only left the bench but threw punches. Don't think any Aussies left the bench? Good luck to the Phils for the rest of the tournament without any locals over 6’1.

Any players who leaves the bench should be rejected.

Who's getting suspended?

What a shameful disgrace by Philippines. Smashing Australian players with a chair. Philippines need to be eliminated from the tournament.

This is going to be a long review. It will be difficult the number of punches and kicks by the Philippines players. Kickert should be ejected. Maker, not sure given the level of violence directed towards him.

I remember the greece vs serbia brawl..

Kickert might get a game. Thon might get a game. There should be Philippines players not playing FIBA ball for a long time though. Seen some wild brawls I the Chinese league but nothing like this. It wasn't Malice at the Palace, but it felt li,e it could have escalated to it, especially if the Aussies had cleared their bench.

Just heard the announcement for the next round of qualifiers. 2 new faces. Jeff Horn and Danny Green move into the guard spots.

Disappointed with Kickert and response from the Philippines bench

It's tough to say how players like Sobey and Maker should conduct themselves in that situation. It was madness the way the Philippines bench came on with such violent aggression. The jump punches to heads.

I'm watching the Asian stream and I think this commentator is making more sense to me than Shane Heal probably would be.

Kickert should be banned for a very long time, Goulding got hit but flopped to show contact to the head, Kickert king hits a guy in the side of the head 3rd man in nearly knocking him out, then the brawl begins.

Greece vs Serbia brawl was nothing compared with this.

Just watch again the reply on how Kickert hit the number 16. That's solid. No wonder they reacted that way.

How many guys do a foul as bad as Kickerts each NBL season? One or two? Deserves a game or two, and does not make what followed even close to a reasonable reaction you twit Carl.

I actually don't care about asia-pacific. It's just love for the game. My concern is we dropped a game againts mexico.

So the Filipino coach asked his players to challenge Australia physically. So what! They didn't actually do this until Kickert laid one of their players out.

Correct mate. Haha. Japan beat CT by 40'

Of course Kickert's response went too far. It wasn't a punch, but an elbow shove that was uncalled for. If you see the replay, it looked like Kickert responded to a nasty elbow to Goulding. Does that excuse Kickert? Of course not, eject him. Same applies to most of the Philippines team. "No wonder they reacted like that"? Really?

Players make bad aggressives responses, and it doesn't justify any tit-for-tat, or in the Philippines case, tit-tit-tit-tit-etc-for-tat.

AngusH. One or 2 NBL players do not do what Kickert did each season. The only similar incident is a few years ago when Chill took out Wagstaff.

Generally they just chest up and push each other.

Last time I checked yes. It just happened I'm married to an Australian. Why are you so nasty when soemone is commenting about you guys. Hahaha.

I think Hawkes should take the job for Lemanis he would've at least stepped on the court to join in and protect the Boomer players..

Kickert, Sobey, Goulding, and who else was ejected?

Maker

Kickert, Goulding, Sobey, Maker. Sorry, got it now.

This is ridiculous. Why play if not to compete and try?

Philippines throwing in the towel.

Smart work to foul out. End it as soon as possible.

Can't see footage but am I correct in thinking that the fiba site has them only playing with 3 players?

3 players? Don't be silly. It is 2 now.

Thanks for ruining the second half, Philippines. Literally obliterating 15 minutes of basketball. Hope that is a lesson that players need to keep their cool, no matter what an opposition player does.

I have never seen a basketball game like that before in 30 years of watching. Amazing. Look forward to seeing the larger ramifications.

They probably walk away from this game satisfied that they won the brawl.

I don't think they did themselves too proud in the brawl either tbh. That was several levels of fucked up.

Any implications for the Boomers moving forward?

Look at the refs response when the fight starts. They all back away and do nothing.

Rjd take off your green and gold glasses for a second and look at the play: that wasn't an "elbow shove" from Kickert, he charged and elbowed a guy in the head.

The Philippines team escalated the situation to an absurd degree by ganging up on and pinning Goulding to the ground and throwing a chair at Sobey, but Kickert instigated the brawl. That was a fucking dog act on Kickert's part and a suspension doesn't cut it: he shouldn't be allowed to represent Australia after that shameful display.

How the hell can a plauer who seemingly didn't do anything be getting gang bashed on the floor on a professional basketball game in 2018, its fucking sad, no excuse for it, looked to be more than just players too. Anyone hitting someone on the ground like that should be banned for life

PlaymakerMo finally someone saw where I'm coming from. If he did not throw that nasty elbow there's no brawl. And also the refs are to blame.

What did Sobey and Goulding do?

Just as well the Filipino team punch like little girls and throw chairs worse than ladies WWE.

" that wasn't an "elbow shove" from Kickert, he charged and elbowed a guy in the head". I don't want to get into semantics because I suspect I think the same as you as far as the degree of Kickert's idiotic response. Unwarranted, same as I was talking about the Philippines response was terrible. Kickert is just one player. Doesn't justify the response.

Did you see the way Sobey was piled on? It even looked like staff got into him too.

Goulding was the one pinned down in a head lock and being punched, stayed down after for a while too.
Sobey came to thay area and was hit with a chair twice, camera only caught the first soft one, second chair hit rocked him.

"If he did not throw that nasty elbow there's no brawl."

Of course. The same could be said about the unsportsmanlike foul moments before by Pogoy when Goulding received a very nasty elbow himself.

If we analysing a trail of violence, then you need to look at events prior Kickert: this shows that the initiator actually should go back to Pogoy for starting it all. I'm not making this argument, by the way, but just following your logic.

It is the response by players to aggression that is important. Elbows are not uncommon in basketball. Yet we rarely see brawls like this.

Semantics matter, that's my point: you're downplaying Kickert's involvement by labeling his act as "unwarranted" and the Philippines as "disgraceful", "terrible" etc. We ought to show Kickert as little respect as we do the Philippine players involved in escalating the brawl - it doesn't seem like you quite agree by again trying to deflect Kickert's blame onto Pogoy.

FYI it was Goulding that was piled on, not Sobey. Watching the footage I don't think Sobey did a thing: he was hit by a Philippine player just for being in Kickert's vicinity.

That's why Kiwis are more love worldwide than us. Never saw them so nasty stuffs like that. Period! Sad to see this happened.

Can you imagine if that happened to the Kiwis? Mike Vukona would end Everybody,

Did anyone figure out why Sobey and Goulding got ejected?

Following your own logic, Kickert responded to Pogoy's aggression.

"Elbows are not uncommon in basketball."

You're either delusional or a troll. Deliberately elbowing another player in the head ought not, and I hope isn't, condoned by anyone. That's what you're doing: condoning Kickert's actions.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/other-sports/basketball/disgraceful-all-in-brawl!686908

Lol he is blinded by his patriotism. He cannot see that it takes 2 to tango. Calling philippines players disgraceful. How about goilding doing the trash talks, unnecessary pushing elbows and flapping all game long. Then kickert. Damn. Ow by the way donovan Mitchell tweeted about thons flying kick. Very didisgraceful. LMAO.

Front page on most of the news websites now. Starting to see traction on the nba and American sports pages too. Should be an interesting day tomorrow.

Kickert and Thon getting ejected makes sense, but what did Sobey and Goulding do to get ejected?

"Basketball Australia deeply regrets the incident in tonight's match between the Boomers and the Philippines in Manila. We are extremely disappointed with what happened and our role in it.
“This is not the spirit in which sport should be played and certainly not in the spirit in which we aim to play basketball. We apologise to our fans and will await the penalties to be handed down."

Holy shit.

Looks like: Goulding flopped, filipino player over reacts charges and tries to throw a light punch (worthy of a tech on the filipino) Kickert charges in elbows the Filipino, dick move worthy of ejection and maybe 2-3 game ban in NBL.

Then Filipino squad comes in throws punches and headlocks, an escalation to absurdity which should command a year long ban. You just can't do that. Ever.

Thon Maker...no clue what should or will happen to him. What the hell was he doing jump kicking in the air towards people for????

Thon Maker is freaking famous now. A lot of Nba players tweeting about that flying kick. Lmao.

They must really hate floppers in the Philippines and seeing Chris Goulding get collectively pummeled by players and spectators for a flop was not as satisfying as I thought it would be.

Jokes aside, it was a relief to see no one was badly hurt.

^funny hahaha.

Haha. Memes are funny lol.

One of the fans threw chair at the Boomers players

Some the post in the other forum. Hahaha.

I would put the blame on the Coaching Staff of the Australian National Basketball team. Even before this game started, they put their team into such a combative mood that it was bound to explode somewhere, and it did. As they say, when you play with fire, prepare to get burned.

For example, that "Removing the Decal from the Floor" bullsh@%, what kind of cr@% is that? Coming from a supposedly first world country, that was a disgrace. Then their players nitpicking about our players crossing the half court line during the Pre-Game Warmups? How about their top scorer constantly thrash talking our players?

I know they must pay a lot the Coaches there in Australia, but a Win at All Cost or the End Justifies the Means mentality has no place in sports, there is such a thing as Sportsmanship also.

It came from the other forum just copy pasted it. Lmao.

"We ought to show Kickert as little respect as we do the Philippine players involved in escalating the brawl - it doesn't seem like you quite agree by again trying to deflect Kickert's blame onto Pogoy."

WTF. Firstly, I singled out Kickert many times. Eject him, suspend him. Secondly, I was following someone else's logic regarding Ponoy, just pointing out the problem with following a trail of violence. My blame was and has always been directed at anyone who threw elbows or punches. There is no excuse for violence.

Look at the footage from behind the Australian bench. It was mayhem. It is amazing that the bench remained as composed as they did.

Another post.

It all started when Chris Goulding trash talk Andray Blatche when Andray was taking a free throw then trash talk again against RR Pogoy when he was also taking a free throw. Ayun pinatikim ni RR si Goulding and the rest is history..

"You're either delusional or a troll. Deliberately elbowing another player in the head ought not, and I hope isn't, condoned by anyone. That's what you're doing: condoning Kickert's actions."

WTF again. Seriously? You are either deliberately trying to misconstrue me, or you have comprehension issues. I'm saying that any violent reaction to violence is not justified. When did I indicate anything about condoning Kickert's elbow? Kickert's violence doesn't justify a brawl. Is that so hard to understand?

"I would put the blame on the Coaching Staff of the Australian National Basketball team. Even before this game started, they put their team into such a combative mood that it was bound to explode somewhere, and it did. As they say, when you play with fire, prepare to get burned. "

Hahaha.

(This is the first time I've ever responded with just a "hahaha" in a forum, but this statement is so ridiculous it is funny. Shows Carl's true insane bias to everyone too. Brilliant.)

What are you saying? I'm just copying that from their forum. Lmao.

Another post.

The basketbrawl between China and Brazil on 2010 where China was sanctioned for mass brawl in Brazil friendly.

As a result of FIBA's investigation into these events and after careful consideration, the following sanctions have been handed down:

- Coach Robert Donewald Jr. is suspended with immediate effect for three official games. Donewald is also fined CHF 40,000.00. He will serve a two-year probationary period during which an exemplary and sportsmanlike behaviour shall be expected.
- Player Zhu Fangyu is suspended with immediate effect for two official games.
- Player Sun Yue is suspended with immediate effect for one official game.
- Player Zhang Bo is suspended with immediate effect for one official game.
- A fine of CHF 20,000.00 is imposed on the Chinese Basketball Association.

Additionally, the game’s three FIBA referees - Jiang Tongbiao, Jan Jun and He Luwei – were banned from nomination for official international competition for a period of one year after failing to officiate according to the letter and the spirit of the Official Rules of Basketball.

This post was funny


Quote Originally Posted by cireeex View Post
What happened is a sad thing to Philippine basketball

First and foremost the control of the game is on the officiating hands.

Warning should have been issued to the Aussie player taunting our guys taking the freethrows, that is what started it all, followed by the physical plays and hard fouls. Guess it really set the court for a bloody brawl.
Maybe the Arab refs didn't quite understand whatever it was Goulding was saying there

I'm just sharing their sentiments. Lol chill. I don't know why you are acting like that. Will not go to your level like kickert and pogoy did. Hahaha. Lmao.

Their forum is funny. They want everyone gone! Especially the coach. Hahaha.

Is 'Kickhurt' supposed to be clever or something?

Because it really isn't.

Sorry, Carl, didn't realize it was not your own statement. How about just providing a link to another forum instead of spamming this thread with random comments from some other random forum.

Butthurt for what? Stop obsessing. You are making smile and giggle. Hahaha.

Go to interbasket and look for Philippines. You can read everything.

Ok if you are happy with that. Haha.:)

Any attempt to defend Gilas should be met with derision.

Okay, Daniel Kickert threw an elbow and deserves a ban for however long they want to ban him. And there was some "thing" about stickers that happened before the game that made them all a little pissed, but let's look at what Gilas did:

* Coach was encouraging them to fight
* They cleared their bench while Australia's stayed put
* The bashed men who weren't aggressors, 5 on 1
* Their bloody OFFICIALS who should have been trying to diffuse the situation, were throwing in opportunistic hits and chairs on men who are lucky to have walked out without serious injury
* They threw coward punches from behind guys who could not have possibly defended themselves
* And like some sort of street gang, they laughed and posed for selfies after

In short, Carl, your team lacked any of the class, humility or humanity befitting a national sporting team. Every member of your national team program acted like common thugs with complete disregard for human life, and they fucking laughed while doing it. It showed that basketball in your country lacks professionalism, class, and the scoreline showed the complete lack of skill.

But thankfully, we won;t have to read stupid comments from Filo fans everywhere about how "good" your team is, how they'll beat X or Y opponent because they've got gastro (whoops, I mean Castro?) because they won't be at the World Cup. There is NO WAY in hell that your team isn't about to be sanctioned such that you'll be able to compete. So the biggest loud mouths in world basketball will have to shut it for at least a year. Should be nice to see.

It's not my team. Hahaha. I just love the game that I post here and other forums.

Say whatever you want. :)

Pinoy officials taking swings should be banned for life.
Kickert is a bloody idiot and should have a lengthy ban which prob won't mean much as I doubt he will be selected again out of principle.
Most of the Philippines team should be banned for a long long time. Chairs, pinning people down to beat, punches to the back of the head. It was all pretty disgusting, more so that I couldn’t spot any trying to stop what was happening, instead clearing the bench to start punching people.

Do we have any close footage of what happened to Goulding? There were enough photographers around there taking snaps of the action.

Look at 4:21 of that Youtube clip above. There is even support staff trying to kick Goulding.

I hope FIBA get their punishments right because they can be strange. It wouldn;t surprise me if Australia got a 20 year ban and Gilas got a free wildcard pick to the world cup or something dumb like that lol.

"The Boomers bench and staff were incredible staying put. There were some serious hits in there" -- Christ Anstey on Twitter.

Have to agree with that. The bench staying there following those scenes, especially with Goulding being pummeled behind the basket. Longley was great, someone who stayed cool and helped the situation and was free to do so within FIBA rules.

Meanwhile, on the other team, several Filipino bench players and support staff managed to get some hard kicks and punches to make contact. It is amazing how many Filipinos are defending it all.

According to Foxsports, this is what Romeo tweeted: "That tweet is loosely translated to: "To my fellow filipino players who say we're embarrassing. I don’t give a f***. Us teammates inside have to help. We can’t let them be on their own. If we’re embarrassing in your eyes why don’t you become an australian".

No shame.

I've seen a few different versions of the footage, but I haven't seen what Goulding and Sobey did to warrant ejection. Anyone know?

Toxic masculinity at its worst!

What did I do? Common mate! You are checkmate! Hahaha:-) at least we get to see some action it's been so long. Kidding aside hopefully they will give sanctions to the correct people. Ayt! Ayt! Hahaha. :)

Anon it's not longley. Troy rike saved him. The new recruit from wake Forrest university. GOD BLESS US! GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Cadee runs away as usual

I don't really care how many games the Filo's get suspended for but gosh, can someone ban Carl from this thread?

Why are you guys reacting to one guy trolling?

Why are you guys reacting to one guy trolling?

LV seriously what have I done to get ban? It's that anon who keeps on attacking me. Common don't be like kickert. Haha.

Wow.

Every time you watch the replay you notice something else. One of the Filo players ran from the bench and kicked an Aussie in the back. And connected. Another attempted a flying punch.

Absolute dog acts.

What authority does Fiba have over domestic competitions? Could FIBA suspend these guys from national comps like the Filo national comp etc?

If this was AFL, those guys would literally be suspended for a year. Deservedly too.

And yeah I can't work out why any Aussie got ejected other than Kickert and Maker?

FFS will you guys stop saying "elbow". Are you blind?
It was a push with the forearm,at no stage is there an elbow thrown!
None of this begins if Goulding doesn't flop. Maybe a towelling up will finally get this message across to him.

As for the bench, I wouldn't want to be in the trenches with you lot.

Fines/suspensions or whatever, get out there and help your mates!

The Boomers bench was a disgrace! The person telling them not to help should be sacked!

Aussie doesn't watch as there mates get the shit kicked out of them!

Regardless of who starts it etc the bench should have cleared to protect each other and it didn't, this shows why we lost against Japan we simply aren't united.

As its on FIBA they are much like FIFA they will give out a few small slaps of the wrist and all will be forgotten so those saying people will get long term suspensions are dreaming as FIBA have no balls on these issues.

Now this is getting interesting. There are rumors that Kickert and Goulding are saying racist remarks towards the filipino even the start of the game. Waiting for the development on this one. It's on ESPN US.

One of their players literally ran from the bench and launched a flying kick into Chris Gouldings back. And connected. And Goulding hadnt even done anything.

Another ran from bench and attempted a flying punch at Dan Kickert.

Then Goulding was on the ground and support staff kicked him... another support staff threw a chair at Nathan Sobey.

Yes Kickert is a dick and deserves a hefty suspension, but anybody trying to defend the actions of the Phillipines team needs to have a look at themselves. If the Aussie bench had reacted like the Filo bench then it would've been 10 times worse again. Imagine that

The Boomers bench did the right thing. Adding more people to that disgrace would just have made things worse.

*before

Now this is getting interesting. There are rumors that Kickert and Goulding are saying racist remarks towards the filipinos even before the start of the game. Waiting for the development on this one. It's on ESPN US.

https://youtu.be/2f_fR30Ty2U

Link of the interview. Hmmmm. Kickert? Very interesting.

Wow, that was a pretty disgusting show by the Philippines. I would be embarrassed as anything if that was my National Team representing me.

Kickert was an idiot but he's just one man, the whole Phillipino Team should hang their heads in shame. That's the Players, the Coaches and all the support Staff as they all behaved like mutts.

The Philippines should be stripped of the hosting rights for the next WC's and their Team & Staff should receive long bans from the Sport.

NZ and Australia play physically and passionately against each other and don't ever find the need to play dirty and have a punch up, what's up with the filthy Philippine's?

Gutless Filipinos.

Are Filipinos good at any sport?
Pissing myself laughing at these midgets.

From the rumors there was a video. Let's wait for it. If this is true then I don't know what to say on kickert.

Luuuc has a video of You Tube. The comments from the Phillipino supporters are savage. They claim the Aussies pulled up a sponsor logo pre game (need more info on that one. 1. Did it happen? and if it did: 2. Why did they do it? 3. What is the sequences of events? 4. Did they seek authority from the team management to do so? etc etc

The Philippines are just trying to deflect attention from the fact they acted disgustingly on the world stage and should have the hosting rights for the WC's stripped from them and their entire team banned.
I've seen some disgusting images of support staff assaulting players.

I couldn't care less what was said on the court, you don't all get up off the bench to commit assault on mass against an opposition player on the ground!

Dogs...

Someone posted this on their page.


Gilas is used to physicality. We played New Zealand, several times, they are physical but they never disrespectful and arrogant. But this Aussies are on a differentn level, destroyed the stickers, elbow our players by this Kikerr when they accidentally cross midline during the warmups. Telling they are Top basketball program but showing different. Very classy.

They're just pissed off because all their decent women end ip with old Aussie farts.

Very bad look for all involved. I really hope Sobey is OK... getting pounded on by 4+ assailants whilst on the ground could have had tragic consequences.

What are the precedents for this? Can't imagine a whole team/organisation being suspended for a period of time? Will be the case of a big fine for the local fed, with individual sanctions on a as-needed basis? I imagine several Australian players will also face some level of suspension?

There's a photo on news.com.au of Sobey taking a punch square in the jaw from a support staff. He also got a chair thrown at him. CG kicked on the ground

What authority does FIBA have? These support staff should be banned from bball employment for life.

There is an article in the Philippines with the coach endorsing the fighting from his players.

Disgraceful!

The only Australian that deserves sanction is Kickert in my opinion.
Maker's actions were comical and at his age he shouldn't be made to serve any suspension.
The Australian bench showed real restraint in not joining the melee especially as their teammates were being gang bashed on the ground.

American youtuber reaction.

https://youtu.be/liy5DCCF4JQ

Thon Maker is my hero. PH officials, so-called security and spectators were escalating the melee. Thon charged 2 piles of PH players and officials who ganged up on 2 Aust players, one on the ground behind the goal and another at the corner. In each occasion he scattered the PH pack for a moment. Given that security has completely broken down, the choices are pretty stark - either you defend your team mates against superior numbers; or stand by - be a good boy - and watch them get beaten to a pulp.

There is no way it would have been a good idea for the Aussie Bench to join in. Escalating an already bad situation could have brought the crowd into play and even more chaos. I doubt we would have made it out of the stadium. Being outnumbered 30 to 4 is one thing but being outnumbered 30000 to 20 is another!

Get it in perspective. Kickett coped a solid elbow in the head in the first half by a "5 mins of fame" PH guard (some hood) who seemed to think it was quite OK to throw it out there. Kicket objected to the ref, who agreed with him and called the foul. and Kickett went on with the game. Also Goulding copped an elbow deliberating aimed at his stomach just prior to the melee. The game was physical in the first half because the PH were playing dirty. Aust coach responded in 3Q with a full court press and blew out the margin. The PH coach (who - appeared to me to be inciting thuggery in his players) could not handle it - losing so clearly in front of their home ground.

Good work holding the Aussie bench back. Keeping Drmic out of a fight is a herculean effort. He would have been frothing.

"In that situation the phillipinos outnumbered the aussies in the fight because that idiot on the aussie bench didn't let the players join in. In that case when everyone is going to get banned he should have let the aussie bench players go in and defend our country"

You seriously have NO idea. If he had let them barrel in like heroes, the entire crowd could have descended on them. And also, they could be banned from future competition. Luc Longley did enough.

"Other than that I don't think any other player from either team should be suspended but both national teams should be banned from competing for years I don't care who the countries are.

The phillipino officials who were fighting the aussie players should have criminal charges brought against them as well as being banned for life from basketball.c"

Clearly we have a moron on the loose. Australia's crime is Kickert alone, while the entire Philippines staff and players went full ape shit. Banning Australia is stupid and so are you.

As for racist remarks, WHAT BULLSHIT. If they were saying racist shit the referees would have been on top of it. There is absolutely no evidence of that, and that's exactly why they're saying it - because it can't be proved or disproved. It is just a red herring to put doubt in minds.

Another angle from a mobile phone recording;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyPs3svyQAE

Interesting one of the Phillipines players squares up a black polo event manager staffer but doesn't end up throwing the punch.

If FIBA is not FIFA then the PH BBall association should lose their hosting rights for international matches due to gross violation of security and outright incompetence. I was very, very concerned that the Aust players might not be able to get off the court without further assaults, such was the scale of breakdown in security. If we get a bullshit reply by FIBA, then BA should ignore it and not play further matches there. This might seem undiplomatic, but at the end of the day it is BA that has the duty of care towards the safety of Aust players - and they should uphold that duty.

The comments section by Gilas fans are not good evidence. There is a tendency for them to 1) immediately claim racism when being criticised, when race had never entered the discussion whatsoever, 2) find any possible reasons to excuse the violence (stickers, incidents in pre-game warmups, trash talking); 3) support and even respect the bench coming out to "support" players on court; 4) refer to Filipino culture to excuse

In my mind, the claims of racist taunts are highly dubious. There appears to be a search for trigger events to spin the preceding events into a justification for the brawl.

As for the stickers, the Australian team pulled up advertising stickers the night before, which annoyed the the court staff. This was seen to be arrogant to do so without consultation. Australia did so because they believed they were slippery and dangerous. They apologised prior to the game, and the apology was accepted prior to the game. Yet somehow now this is used as an excuse for the aggravation. When stickers are being used as an excuse, you know you don't have much, so then something like racist allegations seem to be necessary. Those allegations didn't appear for a while.

As for the Boomers bench, the support staff was helping restrain the bench. You had guys like Gliddon pleading to go to help Goulding trapped behind the basket being assaulted, literally, but were held back. The bench appeared to want to help, but the support staff acted professionally to prevent the brawl from escalating. Imagine what would have happened if the bench went out there. There were many Gilas who appeared to want to fight anyone. Look at the start when Sobey was punched by two players when he wasn't even involved. It was already madness, so anyone criticising the Australian bench for not getting involved are absolute fools.

Sobey hit by a chair.

Respect to Goulding for lying on the floor and getting pummelled by a dozen guys and not seemingly injured, but then again its a bit like a year 12 getting attacked by a group of year 7s

One filo fan posted this.

A shame it went on like that and I hate that most players on both teams got involved in that, but no sympathy at all for Goulding and Kickert.

Maybe Goulding won't be talking shit and instigating bullshit like that in the future - from trash talking repeatedly and instigating conflict to being in the fetal position lying down relying on his assistant coach to protect him on the floor, basically fearing for his health there. Fake tough guy.

Kickert - maybe he isn't such a tough guy after all despite his love of throwing cheap shots and elbows against a way smaller player, running away like a scared prck. Absolute fake tough guy.

I hate that Gilas had to go down to the Australian's level and have to brawl, and the blame lies on Chot who needs to resign tonight or ASAP. But not being on the court and having to deal with a team that, even up 30, still plays overly physical and rough, almost to make a point, you can't get in the minds of the Gilas players themselves and not fully understand and thus go after their character and whatnot too much. It's just a shame the brawl went on beyond the court with fans and officials involved - that is what people ought to be focusing on and the blame goes to our officials with SBP, some fans and the security.

Actually, on inspection, is that Aussie support staff holding the Australian bench back, or security for the stadium?

Carl, stop copy-and-pasting stupid comments in this thread. We don't need to see every hot-headed biased account by Gilas fans who excuse the violence. Write what you think, or what someone of importance stated, not what some other random fan said.

For everyone saying well done to the Aussie bench not running in, fair call under normal circumstances, but what would have been said if Goulding was seriously injured by the mob and the Aussies weren't allowed to go and pull him out of there?

The team has more than sufficient support staff to wade in pluck our lads from the scrum, no need to escalate things by emptying our bench

Yeah the Gilas fans have been beyond ridiculous. Ten guys smashing a guy on the ground is "sticking up for eachother" and ripping stickers is genuine cause for violence. Fuck your stickers. Next the coach willk lecture us on the cultural importance of those stickers to further muddy the waters.

That's what makes this so sickening. There is no way the Australian bench would have helped the situation based on the madness that was happening. It was like street gang warfare. Longley was the hero, by the way.

In a preceding timeout, the Gilas coach was recorded saying "Hit somebody, put someone on their arse". Frustrated and humiliated, this was a team primed for combat. Look at the way the bench came onto the court. Look at their coach when it all began. No attempt to intervene nor stop his players. The Gilas coach's comments after the game also gives an indication of their psychological state.

as for Booners saying racist comments Imagine this for a second, you';re Chris Goulding, playing alongside Thon Maker - an African man - and you're calling people "monkeys"?

Yeah, pretty unlikely.

"You are the one that has no idea buddy. Obviously a keyboard warrior who has never left his basement to get into a sports fight, maybe at the hotdog eating championships for you I don't know. If that were you getting smashed on the ground by 10 blokes are you saying you wouldn't want your team mates to come in and help you. Or on the flip side if that was a team mate of yours getting smashed are you saying you wouldn't go in to help.
Any person that has played sport would agree with me which makes me think you are just a fan at best.'

I've been playing basketball for 20 years... so how about no? And how about the fact that the boomers knew in the long run they;'d be worse off for jumping in? Right now, only the Philippines look to be possibly banned from international competition. And you haven';t considered if the crowd got involved. Obviouslky you';re a hot headed idiot with no more brain cells than the filos.

It really is remarkable reading the comments by Gilas fans. The eagerness to condone violence, the fascination with finding an Australian trigger event to excuse the violence. There are a lot of attempts to save face. There is a very common overwhelming street gang mentality.

Goulding rubbed them the wrong way with his cockiness (and presumably also strong play on the court). A lot of focus on his trash-talking, yet nothing about what he actually said. Goulding seemed to be enjoying the hostile environment throughout the game, which probably made him more of a villain. NBL fans should know about this. No surprise that Goulding has been used in these accusations.

Wow, so many on here proving that we really have a problem in society.

@rjd, I agree with most of those comments, they make some sense.

I would say more, however it is probably better to wait for some more information, some facts and interviews to be conducted before we see too many people getting their self-absorbed grievances aired and rumors gain traction over facts.

BA should investigate, very deeply into the causes of this, notwithstanding the horrible effects, but try and understand what triggered it and why it happened in the first place.

ESPN reported that SBP believes FIBA won't suspend any players. They believe FIBA doesn't hand out suspensions so they "dodged a bullet".

I tend to think FIBA is like FIFA, at times a toothless tiger, but BA should still hold an inquiry of its own, which I expect they will...

Whether the results of any investigation will be made public or not is going to be interesting.

Lazza just released the following statement:

The Owner and Executive Chairman of the NBL Larry Kestelman has made the following statement on the incident in last night's FIBA World Cup qualifier between the Australian Boomers and Philippines in Manila.

"The NBL stands united with Basketball Australia in condemning the behaviour of players, officials and fans during the Boomers game against the Philippines in Manila last night.

“Our players need to accept responsibility for what happened on the court and any sanctions that follow. However we do not accept what happened on the sidelines when Australian players were attacked by fans and officials including a chair being thrown at one of the Boomers’ players Nathan Sobey and another player Chris Goulding set upon on the floor.

“This disgraceful behaviour needs to be dealt with by FIBA in the strongest possible manner and we will await the outcome of their investigation. We commend the restraint shown by our players and officials in the circumstances and we are working with Basketball Australia to facilitate the players’ return home in the quickest and safest way possible and protect their welfare.

“We are proud of the NBL’s well earned reputation as a family sport and we are thankful that this sort of behaviour is not a feature of Australian basketball. We have record participation levels, crowds and interest in basketball and we are committed to continuing to deliver a first class product all Australians can enjoy and be proud of."

"It really is remarkable reading the comments by Gilas fans. The eagerness to condone violence, the fascination with finding an Australian trigger event to excuse the violence. There are a lot of attempts to save face. There is a very common overwhelming street gang mentality."

If the coach doesn't get sacked, then we can pretty much rule out anyone respecting the Philippines as a basketball nation ever again.

Statement by LK is a good one and although it does hint at him protecting the brand of the NBL, it also highlights something more important which is the welfare of players, something no one should lose sight of here.

I do hope FIBA can do the right thing, someone has to show leadership here...

Response from the Bucks or the NBA, if there is one, will be interesting!

Absolute dog act by the guy who king hit Sobey. You can see him in the second row of the Philippine bench (grey shirt black hat), come charging in then wait near the photographers when Sobey gets hit by a chair. Then he make a bee line straight for him and king hits him while Sobey is being held by security. Disgraceful!

I'd support a military strike, personally. Know your role.

Maker looked ridiculous with his arms and legs flailing, but the only contact he made was jumping into Blatche after he and another player had just simultaneously punched Sobey to the ground. Thon deserves the ejection but that's about it imo, Sobey and Goulding both came in to break things up but neither threw a punch and don’t deserve any action either. Kickert was similar to the Childress incident and probably deserves extra suspension on top for how far it escalated. I don’t think I saw a single punch throw by an Aussie other than Kickert and makers air swing.

Missed the game last night, just watched the replay now, why was Goulding and Sobey ejected, neither even threw a punch, Sobey ended up with an entire gang beating the crap out of him, how does that work.
Agree Kikart and Maker should have been ejected, Kikart in particular, Maker really was simply trying to get three players off one when he first jumped in, then Romeo gave him the cowards hit to the back of the head.
The Philippines should be thrown out of FIBA, the coach charged with inciting violence , the time out he clearly stateted, "hit them hard .,put them on their ass, “absolutely disgusting thug mentality from a team filled with immature scrappers.

And the Philippines should not be permitted to hold another international tournament again, disgraceful all round

Yes and nenad did a bloody mess there.

The Filipino team did a lot of unprecedented stupid stuff, but the fighting words, the Philippines have zero height and are far out muscled by Australians, them fighting mentality is laughable if not for the sheer cowardice and criminal behaviour.

What are people's thoughts on which Boomers should be penalised?

Definitely Kickert for the strike. Should he also be penalised for connecting on punches while Gilas players were charging him? He had a defensive fighting stance throughout as opposition players charged him and attempted and connected on several punches.

Maker involvement was very brief in the first few seconds: 1) he launched himself into the group of several Filipino players who had pounced on Goulding; 2) he launched a targeted kick at Romeo after Romeo punched him in the head from behind. He then backed away from the scene with 3 other Australian players. Later, when he noticed that Goulding was still down, he went towards the action but didn't seem to get involved in anything else.

Was Maker actually attempting to be a peacemaker with that clear-out charge/kick, justifiably defending his teammates, or was he provoking further violence? IMO, probably all three.

Sobey's stance in the first moments appeared to be trying to break up the violence, but was hit multiple times to the head by three separate players. He then shoved a Filipino bench player away with his feet while he was on the floor. I can't even find where Sobey's actions warranted ejection.

As for Goulding, we can't even see him as there is a crowd of Filipino players and staff laying into him. Also can't find ejection-worthy involvement from him. Anyone see it? Or is being the subject of violence enough to be considered being involved in the fight?

What is the recommended course of action for players when ganged up like that? What should players do when teammates are literally being repeatedly assaulted on floor?

They were rubbish in WW2 as well

"[Sobey] then shoved a Filipino bench player away with his feet while he was on the floor." I meant to add that he did this while that bench player was swinging punches towards him. Seemed to be a justifiable defensive shove given the circumstances.

Calling aussies p##sy for not standing up for goulding and co. Watch.

https://youtu.be/zUn2MgoCjEU

Re Claims: There are plenty of cameras around, until footage comes out otherwise, treat the coach's claims about Kickert pushing their players during warmups as mad and madeup rantings. Racism claims, again without proof are mad rantings.

Filipinos don't seem to get this point, but even if either mad ranting came to be of truth, it provides zero justification for coward punches and thuggery displayed.

Working on what we DID see:

Kickert: Dropped a guy with the forearm, it's within the realms of behaviour you see in basketball through NBL to NBA. Kickert should not be blamed for Philippines totally disproportionate behaviour. Even doing something dirty, you don't expect the entire Filipino team act as disgracefully as occurred - that behaviour is solely on them.

Ejection was right, a 3-4 game ban for the arm drop and the fighting behaviour is more than sufficent.

Goulding: The annoying flop aside, cannot be blamed for fighting if he's locked on the floor being kicked and punched. Impossible to expect him to somehow break free and avoid the fight.

Ejection was wrong, should not receive punishment. Wouldn't surprise me if he gets a fine for the sheer fact he was part of the fight. If he got a ban, that would be very wrong.

Sobey: Clearly acted to split up the fight, didn't engage much. Ejection was wrong, should not receive punishment.

Maker: Acted like an idiot jumping into people's backs and making air kicks. Didn't connect - thankfully.

Ejection was correct, fine for fighting behaviour reasonable. Borderline on any suspension, if he had connected on a kick it would be a very different story. Wouldn't surprise me if handed down a harsh 1-2 game suspension.

Fan/Official who punched Sobey: Ban for life from Basketball; Criminal proceedings for assault.

Fan/Official who threw chair at Sobey: Ban for life from Basketball, perhaps Criminal proceedings for assault.

Filipino players who engaged with punches towards players heads, kicking or locking Goulding down to the floor: Full year ban & fine.

Filipino Coach: Apology, fine, banned for 2 years from coaching basketball & sacked.

This gets worse and worse as we hear more details. Goulding's agent claimed that an assistant coach got involved using a chair! "The assistant coach grabs a chair and pummels it down on his head while multiple cowards stomp on him." Players fighting is one thing, but coaching staff and support staff too? Atrocious behaviour. This suggests a team-wide punishment is required.

rjd: It would be a shock if we saw any of the Filipino players engaged in the fight to be playing between now and 2020, and an even more of a shock if the coach was allowed to be around for 2020 & assistant coach who used the chair was allowed to coach ever again.

A stern word to Goulding definitely needs to be said. Perhaps just a bad habit, but one he needs to break if he wants more credibility

I admit I'm biased, I did call Kickert "the biggest flog in the NBL" on a post in here last season, but I can't see how he's not going to get a long suspension. If his response was to pick Goulding up from the floor rather than what he did would anything else have even happened?

Not condoning any of the following actions whatsoever, but the nature of these things is that "justice" has to be seen to be done and he's going to be the sacrificial lamb that gets wiped out to justify what happens to the Filos

I was quite surprised actually. Didn't think he had that in him. Normally he's a whiny little bitch

Kung Fu Maker is my new hero

Refs to blame big time!

I hope this is the last time we see Kickert in green and gold.
In saying that I don't think what he did justified Filipinos thuggery last night.

BA chief denies the claim that Kickert was hitting players in the warm-ups. Not surprising as it did seem implausible.

"Filipino coach Chot Reyes alleged after the match that Australian players had been hitting opposition players during the warm-up.

"We absolutely [deny] that," Moore said."

I wouldn't be surprised if the coach is making up stories to not only try to excuse the fight, but also incite hatred of the Australian team. Vilifying the opposition helps him gain support.

I still can't believe the post brawl selfie. Moron.

Development. There are some picks emerging about the so called warm up altercation. Looks legit. And the refs are there in between both sides. I can see kickert. Will still wait for other pics/vids.

I don't care whatever you say. Keep on crying. :)

Carl - no one cares about the stickers. Its a pathetic argument to justify your teams extremely pathetic behaviour. Give it up.

Where are these "picks" Carl? You're pretty quick to post rubbish comments from other forums but when you've got something interesting there's no sharing?

Train it's not my team. And it's not the stickers. It's a about the warp ups. That they are complaining.

Chair, chill bro. I'm still waiting for the vids to come up. I will post it once someone posted it. Do your homework there's a lot on twitter.

The Philippines are clutching at straws to justify acting like little Mutts.
Kickert should be ashamed but every Filipino Citizen should be horrified at how their National Team behaved themselves. Absolute Dogs!!!

Carl - yes it is your team, and you have zero proof about the warm up incidents apart from their coach.

The Australian bench showed class by not getting involved in that mess.

Train. Ok if you say so.

Carl is trolling just ignore him

@Carl, I think you are missing the point of 'justification' for the seriousness of some people's actions here?

Anyone who has any objective view of this incident based on what we know and have observed so far agrees that Kickert has a serious case to answer and will likely be sanctioned for his over-reaction and seemingly reckless strike. What possessed him to react this way, rather than not go over and help Goulding up from the court is difficult to comprehend. It will probably come out in time, but it cannot be reasonably justified in the circumstances presented thus far.

Then there are a number of extremely violent, potentially life threatening and serious incidents, of which it appears many players wearing blue (and their associated officials/other representatives) are the perpetrators of and some players wearing yellow the victims.

It is acknowledged widely in the public media that Goulding has a flopping issue (he isn't alone here) and something has obviously triggered a clash between him and No.16 in blue. But what triggered the incident where he was at the bottom of a pile of opposition players/others being pummeled, punched and kicked, how can this be justified?

It has also been acknowledged by those being objective in what they have seen so far that Maker, while not seemingly connecting with his wild kicking motions, did appear to jump carelessly/recklessly into a pack of players and once again will likely be dealt with accordingly. Hard to justify that action, but some appear to think his primary objective was to defend, after his initial jump, maybe he was?

Sobey appears to have only one thing in mind, try to defuse the situation and protect himself and his team mates, but how on earth can someone justify the way he was punched to the face and hit from behind by a chair for goodness sake?

Other than coming up with excuses or justifications for hating Aussies because of your (and others) perception of arrogance, confidence/cockiness, alleged on court trash talking or disrespect and accepting that we also do not condone this type of violence from any player, what is your problem exactly?

Omg Bear. Chill man. There's no excuse of what the filo team did. Why you guys are so triggered? I'm just posting about the development on this one. Then this ano and some random dudes keeps on attacking me. I didn't even say one nasty word about the boomers. Common back read it from the start. It's all over the net that they are accusing us (my wife being an Australian) of being racist towards them. What I said it let's wait for the vids/pics. Dang what's so hard so about that. Geeez!

It's not just what you are writing up Carl, it is your posts, links and insinuations that add up to some kind of issue you appear to have.

Fine, you are just a top bloke who wants the truth, well there it is then, cheers, oh and I am chilled (as you put it), just don't suffer fools easily!

Filthy filo team. Gave cheap shots all game and now crying.

In case anyone wants to watch the actual game

Couldn't have said/done it better myself Bear, well put.

Footage of Goulding being attacked - including by the assistant coach in the white shirt with the chair !?!

https://twitter.com/KenjieZK/status/1013915756327665664

Yep, that Goulding Twitter 'screenshot' looks dodgy as. I expected some fabricated evidence, but not this blatantly bad.

I agree that Kickert should be fined and heavily suspended but I have no issue with what he did. They had been chipping all game with little cheap shots (and if the pre-game tripping story is true it further validated my opinion) and eventually you have to say you aren't going to cop it anymore and fight back.

Again my name is being dragged sad. :)

https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/australia-vs-philippines-brawl-newly-reviewed-vision-shows-altercation-in-warmups/news-story/95727f0e3ad79ed12eb4586507393e0a

Foxsports has some footage from the warmups showing a Filipino player trying to trip Kickert. Kickert retaliates by pushing the wrong guy.

Started with a cheap shot.

So the Phils argue we started it pre-game

News Corp have written about 10+ articles, talk about coverage!

They did a blow-by-blow analysis lol