Big Sexy
Years ago
https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/nbl/mitch-mccarron-signs-threeyear-deal-with-melbourne-united-sources/news-story/11fe3391471a743ac70be731cbe8b1b7
Isaac
Years ago
Olgun tweet:
Sources: Mitch McCarron and Melbourne United agreed to a three-year deal on Monday, that'll make him one of the top-five highest paid players in the NBL.For the inevitable question, might be (in no order) - Lisch, Kay, McCarron, Cotton, Randle? Newley, Bogut?
Damn that is huge for United! Mitch was m favourite not Wildcat...oh well got to boo now, lol. :P
Olgun doesn't know the salaries, and top 5 is a huge call. Don’t buy it.
With this signing its probably highly unlikely ware is back next year. If its a substantial offer as stated in the article he would likely be the starting pg now.
Wow, great to still have him in the league, but probably would have preferred him to not sign with United. Hige singing though.
Isaac
Years ago
Why wouldn't he know the numbers?
I remember hearing the salary of a top player years back and then at some point the NBL released an anonymised spreadsheet of salaries relative to points values. The number I'd heard matched cleanly.
Word gets out, especially when it's something notable like a big deal. Earliest instance of that I can recall was Mee and Cattalini going to Cairns.
Hogwash
Years ago
Massive signing by reigning champs with Imports to come.
Midrange
Years ago
Great signing for Melbourne. Might mean we get Ware, Boone and a budget 4?
Club of the captains
Years ago
Top 5 Top 5 Top 5
What a money making mitch!
I'm guessing he means Top5 domestic player, that would make sense.
No way it's Top 5 including imports
How do the regional or small clubs compete with this arms races ... might be good fun short term but not sure this is good long term
"How do the regional or small clubs compete with this arms races ... might be good fun short term but not sure this is good long term"
IMO the small/regional teams won't be around much longer. Simply going to reach a point where they can't compete with the other big spending clubs. Love and respect the effort they put in and how they prove doubters wrong by being well coached and playing as a team, but at the end of the day with the NBL on the rise they're really going to start to struggle to compete in coming years.
Tornado
Years ago
Like I said in another thread....NBL going the way of the NBA.
Will likely be the same teams competing in Finals year after year with Sydney, Melbourne and Perth spending big every season.
NBL might be more exciting now than it has been in a long time but this will get boring real quick and risks losing the smaller market/spending teams as fans lose interest when their team just can't compete from season to season.
LC
Years ago
Great signing for both club and player!
United would be crazy not to chase Broekhoff...although in reality he could command big $ in Europe or chase his NBA dream. Probably the best credentialed Aussie not currently playing in the NBA.
"I'm guessing he means Top5 domestic player, that would make sense.
No way it's Top 5 including imports"
Locals usually make up the bulk of highest-paid players as they are in limited supply, whereas there are plenty of good imports looking for work.
Broekhoff seems unlikely. Said a couple of years ago he wouldn't return for any less than a million dollars. Don't see that changing now with him in his prime.
Could be a solid chance of making the NBA this year too, especially after the success of Ingles.
Boone/Pledger
Import/Barlow/Smith-Milner
McCarron/Moller
Goulding/Hooley
Ware/???
That would be a pretty damn good team if it came to fruition.
Cram
Years ago
"with the NBL on the rise they're (smaller clubs) really going to start to struggle to compete in coming years"
Says it all about the league's "success" really
I get the feeling this could be their starting lineup.
PG: McCarron
SG: Goulding
SF: Import (Felix)
PF: Import
C: Import (Boone?)
Tornado
Years ago
Cram...the problem with that is (unlike the NBA) there are more smaller clubs than big ones in the NBL. The NBL, like it or not, really can't survive without these smaller clubs.
"Says it all about the league's 'success' really"
Still is turning into a big success, small regional teams belong in modern day national sporting leagues imo. They just won't be able to compete with the spending and crowd sizes of big city teams, which will inevitably lead to them just making up the numbers in the league until they fold or get relocated.
The league needs this big spending to see an improvement in the league, unfortunately the regional clubs just won't be able to keep up with the improving league imo.
^^small regional teams DON'T* belong in modern day national sporting leagues imo*
"I remember hearing the salary of a top player years back and then at some point the NBL released an anonymised spreadsheet of salaries relative to points values. The number I'd heard matched cleanly."
What were the upper bound salaries like?
I totally missed the spreadsheet and followed NBL really closely online back then.
He wouldn't know the numbers of every player recently signed, including guys like Corey Webster etc. He is speculating, as he doesn’t have access to such information other than word of mouth, and we all know that is BS at the best of times.
Does this make McCarron the "snake" of the NBL? Bailing on Cairns for Europe, yet taking an offer from a rival club.
LV
Years ago
Huge signing for United.
With the recent signings by Perth (Kay, Norton, Jervis), Sydney (Bogut, Kickert, Deng) and even NZ (Webster, Wesley) it really looked like United had dropped off the pace a little, via reduction in talent of their local contingent.
But this is huge- and puts United right back into the middle of the (very early, speculative) title mix imo.
He actually did go to Europe though... although at the tail end of this season... LOL.
robt
Years ago
Excuse my niaivity, but isn't this whole forum thing "word of mouth"? And, isn't that why we all read it, to hear what others have "heard" that we haven't [heard] til we read it here? That's why I read them [forums]. I promise that I am not betting hundreds on info I get though!
And, for those who go to the trouble of posting links and articles for us to read, I thank you.
anon
Years ago
Mccarron at PG?
He's been SG or SF at Cairns hasnt he?
I still see space for Ware, Prather and Boone with McCarron in the line ip, but they need to replace Wesley. They have no one left in the team that does what he did
Just look how the Wildcats went without Knight to see how not getting the balance right can kill your chances.
A
Years ago
A good player but extremely overrated, a glue guy who has not achieved much and yet to prove that he is a top tier player. All the best to him and congratulations to his agent for excelling in his profession to make this happen.
LV
Years ago
Which imports have signed?
Cotton, Randle, Moore (Ade), Moore (NZ)
Any others?
How do we rate each teams local contingent, now that almost all locals are signed? Creek obviously huge blow for Adelaide. Sydney easily on top. NZ looking good too.
Here's United:
Pledger/ Smith-Milner
Trist/Barlow
Moller
Goulding/Hooley
McCarron
Interesting question as to where they go from here.
McCarron is versatile and has the skills to spend time at the 1. Fox article stated he was playing 1 in Slovenia too.
But, I still predict they'll try to bring Ware back. Or a top tier PG. Plus Boone or a top tier 5 man.
Really interesting question is what type of player they go for with that 3rd import spot.
Overrated? How?!? Was barely mentioned in the same sentence as the stars of the league and wasn't even put forward as Cairns MIP, instead a 10 year veteran in Loughton was put forward. Last season he took a massive step up, and has now succeeded in Europe! Overrated, lol.
"Mccarron at PG?
He's been SG or SF at Cairns hasnt he?"
Played point guard over in Europe i think and did quite well. Apparently also did as a junior. At 6'2 if he was to try and make it to the next level you'd think he'd need to continue to be more of a PG.
I think it's a given they sign an import centre. If Felix comes back he'll take that SF role so wouldn't be surprised if mccarron plays PG with an import PF. What position he plays probably depends on of they bring Felix back
Hogwash
Years ago
Going by LVs post Melbourne look to have 8 locals signed.
McCarron at PG???
They may go with Pledger as starting Centre if they can find right import 4 man who can play some 5.
The other imports would be a 3 and a 1, really depends on how United plan to use McCarron.
Felix has signed with Adelaide... sucked in United
"A good player but extremely overrated, a glue guy who has not achieved much and yet to prove that he is a top tier player."
He finished 6th in the league MVP.
LV
Years ago
From watching him over past 2 years He definitely has the skills to play point
Judging by his college stats he played some PG there too- averaged 4.5 assists in his last yr
I love that he rebounds well, defends well, and does everything on the court.
His biggest weakness appears to be size but he's not really 6'2 is he? I would've said 6'3 or maybe even 6'4
"Felix has signed with Adelaide... sucked in United"
Does this mean Prather stays at United so not coming to Perth? #dominoeffect
He's as much of a point guard as Kevin Lisch is. You can rely on him to bring the ball up and run an offence but he isn't enough of a PG to push the tempo all game.
A
Years ago
Completely overrated, let's see if the money spent will be justified...do average stats count...?? A good role player with good skills. OK shooter, good rebounder for height, what is he? a PG...no, SG...no, SF...too small...
I hope he does well, but the league will suffer soon if average/good guys are well overpaid.
Captain Jack
Years ago
I'd say Melbournes team will be something like
Boone/Pledger
Trist/Barlow/Smith-Milner
McCarron/Moller
Goulding/IMPORT
Ware/Hooley
Looks excellent to me, and atleast as good as last year with Trist, McCarron, Smith-Milner replacing Wesley, Adnam, Andersen.
I rate them and Perth as top 2
Yes why is McCarron so hyped up? I also don't understand.
A, do you feel the same way about Mark Worthington?
Mayber McCarron was the domino effect to send Felix to 36ers? Prather didn't seem to quite fit at United IMO.
A
Years ago
Worthington was one of the best SF/PF in the NBL when he was mentally switched on...would have been one of the best if he wasn't so lazy. A proven match winner on many occasions. He also was the perfect height for his positions, not undersized and a very good 3 point shooter.
I like McCarron, but when do some good highlights and a few good games justify that a player is great...how old is he 25/26 with career averages of 10p/5r, is he a match winner...?? What is he?? I would love him to be a player on my team, a great role player but until he proves otherwise all I see in him is a 'GOOD' NBL player who would be an asset to any team.
Hogwash
Years ago
Hoping this encourages Perth to get an import scorer off the bench.
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
I'm calling him Al from now on... short for Alpaca... because he spits in your face
"Worthington was one of the best SF/PF in the NBL when he was mentally switched on...would have been one of the best if he wasn't so lazy."
Yeah, starting his career at the Kings under Goorjian was perfect to counteract his laziness. After his stint there he wasn't the same but still got paid big.
LoveBroker
Years ago
Enjoy your 6 team league.
Smith
Years ago
Overrated? Absolutely baffling how anyone who professes to understand the game could come to that conclusion. He was voted 6th in MVP voting from memory, and rightfully so.
Has a massive motor to go with an evolving skill set. There's not many - if anyone - in the league that can go with him from end to end for 40 minutes.
LV
Years ago
Assuming my above post is accurate and United goes for a top tier PG and top tier 5- like Ware and Boone or similar- then this is how the roster looks:
Boone/Pledger/Smith-Milner
Trist/Barlow
McCarron/Moller
Goulding
Ware/Hooley
Depth chart:
Boone/Pledger/Smith-Milner
Trist/Barlow/Moller/Smith-Milner
McCarron/Moller/Barlow
Goulding/Hooley/McCarron
Ware/Hooley/McCarron
It's a flexible line-up, with versatile guys who can play multiple positions - namely McCarron (1-3), Moller (3-4), Hooley (1-2) and even Barlow (3-4).
Do they go for extra guard depth or extra big man depth?
Is Trist, Barlow and Moller enough at the 4 spot?
With Wesley out, have they got enough inside scoring? Is Trist enough of a low post threat?
How do they use McCarron- is he good enough at point that he can cover it (along with Hooley and Goulding) if Casper got injured?
LV
Years ago
Roster changes:
Pledger for Majok = No clear gain or loss
Smith-Milner for Andersen = Loss
Trist for Wesley = Loss. Exactly how much of a loss remains to be seen
McCarron for Adnam= Huge Gain
Overall I'd take the new group over the old group for sure, now that McCarron's been signed. But Trist remains the X factor unknown.
LoveBroker
Years ago
How do the regional or small clubs compete with this arms races ... might be good fun short term but not sure this is good long term
Hooley has shown he can run the team better than Adnam, provides perfect back-up to a local. Doubt carron would have signed up for a stint as a undersized 3 with Goulding playing 2, or as a back up to Goulding
Boone/Pledger
Trist/Barlow/Smith-Milner
IMPORT/Moller
Goulding/IMPORT
McCarron/Hooley
Dome Rat
Years ago
McCarrron is the guy you build a franchise around
Damo 2.0
Huge get for Melbourne
Trist hasn't shown enough versatility in the seabl to be a starting 4. Only good from 2m from the hoop, defence and handling questionable as well. Wesley could be a big loss. Melbourne trying to build a good Australian core for the next few seasons. McCarron is good player but strange fit if they bring the same three imports back which is what there saying, can’t see Goulding or Prather being benchies.
maxymoo
Years ago
Which Aussies are better in the NBL this year?
Upside & current attributes - he'd be my #1 now that Creek is gone.
Zodiac
Years ago
Which imports have signed?
Cotton, Randle, Moore (Ade), Moore (NZ)
Any others?
AngusH
Years ago
Taipans a better player development program than the AIS.
Know for a fact that Gliddon and McCarron had both informed Taipans they would stay provided Fearne was brought back.
Gliddon wanted a little more $$
McCarron wanted to play PG to open more European doors but would take less than market value.
Fearne was already receptive to PG idea as he knew Taipans could not afford the type of import PG that suited his coaching style aka Scottie Wilbikin clones.
Soon as Fearne got axed they both made it clear they would not be back. They knew the only thing that made Taipans competitive was the brittle underdog culture that Fearne brought.
If Cairns fold blame the NBL a little as a big market league but understand the death blows have been self inflicted by the Taipans themselves.
AD
Years ago
The Games has, and continues to evolve.
Back in the day, the Offensive Guard was either what we think of now as a SF, or a shooter.
Now days seems many coaches want 2 ball carriers, so they go with either 2 PG's or a Combo in the 2 spot.
Sure, McCarron "could" play PG, but defending champions don't spend up big on "coulds".
Besides, with CG's propensity to run hot & cold, they could be looking for a bit more depth.
Seems to me that when you look at the successful teams, there is often a clearly identifiable 3 man rotation in the back court.
Having Ware/ McCarron/ Goulding playing 25~30 minutes each would make sense.
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
Sorry anon, but it's easier to blame the player. Gives us an outlet for our anger/disappointment. I'm going to choose to blame the player in this instance.
Although, the care factor is honestly pretty low. We are swimming with sharks in this league now. Clubs are becoming too rich for us
LoveBroker
Years ago
it's easier to blame the player. Gives us an outlet for our anger/disappointment. I'm going to choose to blame the player in this instance.
Although, the care factor is honestly pretty low.
We are swimming with sharks in this league now. Clubs are becoming too rich for us
Cairns also chose to threaten members who talked about stuff on social media.
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
Haha LoveBroker, the first point was clearly taking the piss. Didn't get that?
Second point, I assume you mean 'understandable'?
Third point, yeah very disappointing, hence the declining care factor.
Im really bummed for the four taipans fans who have had to stand by and watch while the fabric of their club has been torn apart this offseason
Twinkletoes
Years ago
Cairns let go their winningest coach which had a record of making the best of modest squads, and bring in an untested coach
If his win/loss ratio is really 49.3%. Does he deserve high props? Could it be interpreted as one good year with some passable and subpar seasons?
Last season the way he capitulated against the Wildcats in the SF despite having Home Court was a big flag. He also had Trice and Mitchell both decent.
I am glad his time is over, I think Cairns could do better.
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
LoveBroker almost searches for ways to criticise us.
Show me on this chart where the Taipans touched you haha. What a shithead
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