"Humphries wins ROTY"

The entire Sydney Kings table can go home now.

Yeah, when he retires they really should just name it the "Damian Martin Medal"

Is LK taking the piss with letting his son promote this first ever crap?

That First Ever speech, his son, wow...wow...wow...really?!

those prices, wow...wow...wow...really?!

Wtf is next? An LK sponsored George Foreman grill ad?

First Ever apparel

No one going to give props to the NBL for getting the Top 10 man with the fine rhymes?

Definite thumbs up for those top 10s

Funny how when I rhymes my posts a couple months back everyone wanted me to zip it. This guy comes in and he's god

Trice went missing for decent periods throughout the season. His springboard was the clutch 4th term at home against Cairns.

Prior to that his minutes and Lemanis' faith in him to run the offence were declining

Do you remember my rhymes?

"DJ in top NBL starting five, not good enough for Australia though"

LOL.Beat me to it

Also, people claiming everything is a comparison is a perfect example of the straw man argument. Either ignorance or bigotry

Proves mine about your bigotry

Woohoo! 10:1 for that

To be honest I didn't think Cotton had an MVP-worthy season

"Ladies and Gentleman please all stand for the guy thats not physically here "

I think most people would agree that those voting view value a lot differently to the fans here. Cotton shouldn't have been MVP.

But you, anon... you're just like Lovebroker but stupider and more incessant

Cotton!!! 2 wildcats in the top 5. If you don't think he is deserving... blame your own coaches and captains. They voted for him.

So Creek was the real MVP Manu? As the fans always get it right

Yeah halfway through a thought then sidetracked.

Most people would agree that the NBL MVP voters are off the mark with what they deem valuable. We've seen the wrong MVP time after time, and I'm only talking about the recent past. But of course, it's all subjective

With regard to MVP voting, scoring counts for too much in a league where points are shared so evenly across a team's roster

Cotton average votes per game: 4.18

Randle average votes per game: 4.16

Whats not to get? The votes are awarded to the best players on each team every game. Its irrelevant who wins or loses, or who scored the most baskets for the season.

Cotton, while deserving, was a benefactor of the current voting system as there wasn't no one outside of Tokoto regularly taking the 3 votes away from him each game.

Cotton won. Wow. Didn't see that coming. Well done to him though.

The Red Army can count themselves lucky the membership packets for 2018/19 season have already been released.

Membership costs might have been a whole lot more expensive had they come out at the end of this week.

The price of Cotton just went up.

Tsm unlucky not to get mvp. He just edged Chris buckets patton

I think mvp should be from a team in the playoffs. I really felt like there was no clear mvp this season. It could have gone to a handful, out of the 4 playoff teams cotton was probably the most consistent in a team with less players taking votes from him consistently, even in his down games, he was probably one of perths best.

Goatmentator is pretty tacky. You'd think people would pay homage to such a creative dude in a more creative way. Slap goat on a word and it's a thing. It's pretty lazy

Price of cotton just went up?

Cotton has been overpriced most of the season.

"I think most people would agree that those voting view value a lot differently to the fans here. Cotton shouldn't have been MVP."

So those qualified to vote don't know about player values, but you do and yours is the only correct interpretation?

Shouldn't you be watching Netflix? Thats your go to hiding spot when NBL isn't going your way right?

Feel free to come back once you've understood what Bigotry means as well.

TBH Cotton surprises me also, but congrats to him.

The year Conklin won over Daniel Johnson was a farce. At least Cotton is part of the leading pack even if people weren't expecting it.

I am happy for Cotton but those votes really obstruct history and how we will remember it as I thought it was an really open race and for much of the season I thought Conger and Buford would tie.

Glad to see a Wildcat win but I hope we don't win the award next year, I'd love to think that Brandt, Steindl and others will step up and we become a more evenly spread team.

Well done to all that won awards especially Damo on winning his last DPOY award as that will be going to McCarron next year.

I thought the awards night was pretty good and I enjoyed it but can't help but think that the Kestleman sporting apparel will be worn by teams next season... I hope they are fantastic.

As for Goatmentator, I thought he had some awesome rhymes but his voice grinded on me and he just felt like he was trying too hard but glad to see NBL trying things

Well done Bryce, although surprising i don't think there was a real stand out this season, as there has been in past seasons. His season statistically as a whole wasn't a whole different to any of the others in the running.

Of all the voting systems, having the coaches deciding it is a close as you could get to being fair IMO. The good thing with coaches voting in this system they vote for the other team, so no bias can be shown towards their own team.

The only way they could get away from the deficiencies of this voting system is to just vote at the end of the season instead of each round. The round for round count during the dinner couldn't take place though which isn't as good for marketing.

'Goatmentator' is a tacky moniker.

One of the great challenges in life is to tolerate people who aren't sharp of mind. I'm pretty sure that's why you remain anonymous, bud

The good thing with coaches voting in this system they vote for the other team, so no bias can be shown towards their own team.

Without going back and looking at boxes, it really felt to me like Cotton had a lot of subpar games this season. Shocked he won as clearly as he did, but thinking back, even when Cotton struggled, who else on that team was stealing votes from him? Tokoto came out of the gates strong but didn't really maintain that consistently. Otherwise, guys like Wagstaff/Brandt/Walker had the odd big night here and there, but that's it really. So I guess it shouldn't be as big a shock as first thought.

Did Cotton really have a sub par season? It did seem like he struggled at times this season, but looking at the numbers;

He led the league in total points and came 3rd in points per game (19.4ppg). Randle and Conger were 19.7ppg. This also includes the NBL season high of 36 points in a single game.

He made the most 3 pointers and shot it at a league leading 45% (for players shooting more than one 3 per game).

3.3 reb, 3 assists, 1.2 steals per game.

He led his team to 3rd on the ladder and into the finals.

Bryce Cotton did all this....while appearing to have a sub par season.

That's just based on my recollection of the season. I know he had a lot of games where he didn't do much until late, so that probably colours my memory of him this year.

Cotton this season 19/3/3 on a team that won 16 games

Randle last season 21/5/3 on a team that won 17 games

Really much of a difference?

Why is it such a surprise?

I personally thought Cotton was the obvious choice and had predicted him as MVP

Boone finished 9th

With how the voting system works, I thought Conger was a lock to be honest.

With how the voting system works, I thought Conger was a lock to be honest.

I was under the belief that the coaches could only allocate points to the opposing team, not their own. Anyone know if this is correct?

I feel bad for Perrin Buford...Although let out of his contract he definitely was one of the best imports, should of won Defensive Player of Year and probably should of been on the All NBL 2nd team...

Thanks for clarifying that :)

ok, aside from the obvious debate and conjecture in regards to award winners, does anyone else feel like the NBL may have got the timing of this awards night all wrong?

Was able to watch some of the stream and from what I viewed;

Moore not present
Martin not present
Illi not present
Cotton not present

Maybe hold the event straight after GF series concludes to ensure all winner are able to be present?

Just seemed to take a lot of the intended "prestige" away from the evening.

Thoughts?

Do all award winners need to show in AFL? Why don't you hold it in Perth and tell all the Eastern states teams they "need" to attend. I am sure they will love the extra flights and interrupted preparation. It is an awards night, it means nothing.

Interstate teams do go to the Brownlow medal in thevafl unless they are in the gf.

all solid points of view.

What I should have added was, given the NBL is trying to gain some additional traction in terms of building the brand, do they need to rethink the timing process to maximise interest and support?

Fair call with the AFL, however given their establish and strong foothold in the Australian sporting landscape, they are not playing continual catchup and probably get a few "free kicks" (pardon the pun) when they don't quite get things right. Its also a long held "tradition" to hold the Brownlow count the week before GF, and likely would be some push back if they looked to change the timing

The NBL has the ability to review and re-think the timing without causing too much grief amongst stake holders and fans.

He's still here now, I doubt he'll still be here in a month (which is when people are suggesting it should take place).

McCarron and Humphries would be absent then too, would they not?

AFL teams get 2 tables - one for Pres, CEO, Coach etc, and one for players. Only select players are invited eg top 5 brownlow votes for that team, goal/mark of the year, so that if you're going to win, or in the running, you get a gig (and pretty sure it's almost mandatory for invitees to attend). Then players can decide whether to bring their partner, or often bring another player as a plus one.

NBL copying the crappy AFL formula irks me. Come up with something better for an MVP system.

Well that's even worse then. I didn't watch it thankfully.

I think having game-by-game voting is a positive for our system compared to the NBA, as it removes recency bias.
And a definite no to fans being involved! Not too keen on media either.

Cotton

Damo

yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh YEH

We number 1 baby and it feels so good

"-Fans "

Fans?

Which fans?

Cairns fans are liable to still vote Scottie Wilbekin.

Christ. Just as I thought I was making progress, LoveBroker. There goes my '1 week' pin. In the trash