I play in the div3 competition and during the finals series i have seen at least 5 ex u18 div2 players playing in the div3 competition. Last night they played Forestville Eagles and they were too strong for them. They did this last season and they beat Sturt in the semi finals to make summer season grand final. Sturt who were unbeaten the whole season. My concern is that the teams that have played really hard all season will lose out like Forestville last night. Another reason of concern is that it makes the whole finals series a big joke if they are going to win the competition. Is there any way i can report this matter to BASA so that Southern get eliminated for cheating and Forestville makes finals by default.

Thats just wrong no team should do that. Thats unfair for the competition and they should be banned for it. Iam an u16 div2 coach and i would find it unfair if one of the teams i was playing dropped a couple of div 1 players just because the div 1 team did not make finals. I think the club should be fined if what has been posted is correct.

so does everyone (or anyone?) here know the full story?

ie, why they were dropped? etc.

The funny thing i have noticed is that the starting five i played against in the beginning of the season is different from what it is right now. Four div2s and 1 div3 player. Another thing i noticed was that the starting guards were not playing in the team last night. That is weird because the div4 team also made finals. I have a feeling that they have dropped a couple of the div3 players to div4 team to make the team stronger. That is great i think they want to win every competition in the u18s.

Anon (#49630) i think the reason for that is because they want to win the div3 competition using their div2 players how low?

except for the 18 div 2's. Drill Master Saergent TCP's sqaudron of soldiers in F/ville 2(1) is a lock for the chip.

Its true they are attempting to win most of the competition but Forestville 1 have taken the div2 comp. But do you think this should be happening (Southern dropping players) in the first place. Southern disgust me and if i am going to play against them i might start a fight.

In fact, the Southern 18 div 2s finished last. Maybe their coach was spending more time in the opposition huddles than his own.

I know that but did anyone in the div2 comp notice the Southern team was missing some of their good players in the last few games of the season.they were actually playing in div3 comp trying to make finals.

Seriously waht are we teaching our basketballers. What kind of a behaviour is Southern developing. I think their mentality is to be the best and they are going to do basically anything to get to the top.
Teams that have lost an opportunity to make finals because of Southern players getting dropped is Sturt. They were doing very well and in round 20 they lost their game against Southern causing them to make finals. What Southern has done has angered a lot of teams. Now that they are playing North2 which to me is the most improved team in the comp will they also be eliminated by a stronger div 3 Southern. What a disgrace for a team to know that they are cheating and still go on playing.

I play for North2 in div3 and i would definitely hate it if Southern beat us and go through to the grand final. No one really knows the pain we have gone through. The whole season we have done a lot of fitness and skill training all season. We finished 7th in the summer season and this season we finished 3rd. I would hate it if we play a bunch of div2 players and we lose. They should be eliminated so that all the teams havea fair go. I know BASA allows players to come down but not the whole team.

Thats a good point Pickles Housemate. One of those teams that might beat them are Norwood1 and North1. Both teams as i know only have seven players in their teams. Southern has a full house of about 10 or 11 players. Those two teams might beat Southern but North2 are a bit weaker and i think they deserve to at least play the last qualifying finals to enter the grand finals. #50 playing div3 thats a bit low. I have seen him play and i am sure he will be playing div1 next season is that really in the spirit of competition.

This incident is refelecting really bad for the club. I know most teams in the club play very hard e.g Southern div1. The players and the coach should be ashamed of what they did. They are soft in that they could not toghen it out in the div2 comp and left the div3 players make finals on their own. I wonder what happened to the other div3 players. Because none of them would want to leave the team and play in the div2 team which finished at the bottom of the table

What a liar you are Jimmy i think you ae in the Southern team. One player more like 4+ players. Everyone knows about it. Its not creating excuses its a matter of putting things right. I think Southern should be dropped and Forestville brought back. Its not about losing its trying to be fair to the weaker teams. You cannot be sitting there and saying that what you are doing is right. Now the team is bigger, faster and stronger. Last season (summer) the team pulled out the biggest upset the reason for this is that they dropped two players for finals. I think that Souther should be stopped before they start making it a habit.

Yeah, you bunch of cheats Southern, I saw Forestville all season, they played real well...

Southern, start playing fair, I hope you lose next week, cause you don't deserve to win!

Some people need to know how to loose. Bloodynora, Southern or Noarlunga have never been disqualified. you are an idiot and are making up stuff just to continue an argument. Instead of making this into a soap opera, just shut up and get on with playing. I guarentee you all that Southern are happy to produce scoresheets and information that support that these players have been playing most of the last season. i think a lot of you need to grow up!

Grow up i think that you are the one s that should grow up because if that is the way you are going to conduct the way you play basketball then all the other teams are within their own rights to do the same thing. Teams dropping 4+ players so that they can have a chance thats just not fair. Even if you play for Southern you have to know that some of these things are wrong no arguments about it.

Thats it the u182s players should have stayed in div2. If most of the players would have stayed in div2 they probably would have finished at a higher position like in summer season.They are good team like the draw against North who they could have beaten. So there is no question about their ability to play they just wanted an easy way out.

southeern are cheaters.

Biggest losers ever

I play in 18 2's for another club, and the only reason I believe the Southern 18 2's team performed so poorly this season is because their best players from this side were not playing in the second part of the season. I don't know the details, I just know from playing them and seeing other scores from other games they played that they were turned into almost easybeats in Div 2, probably for the benefit of the Div 3 team.

I know from experience that being switched between divs mid-season is disruptive and when I did I was told I had to play a minimum of 3 games for the new team to be eligible for finals.

Yes true, No rules were broken officially, but seriously, how unfair is it, not illegal but unfair!

Just play fair Southern, and try to win a final the right way, I don't think I could ever respect Southern again, and we're not getting over it, and neither would you if any other team in the league did it to you or in any grade or division.

Cheats

Jimmy De Bas, you're an idiot

I know for a fact that #50 has not played the required games to play finals. I think in round 19 Southern were playing North2 and they lost by 1 point without #50. I have a feeling they knew they were going to lose even with a team of 2-3 div 2 players and so they decided to gat the best player in div2(#50) to enhance their chances.
I think they were aware that they were not going to win the comp and so they recruited #50. And Jimmy players are pt in their respective division because of their skill level. How stupid or unfair would it be a div1 playing in a div3 competition. I think the coaching staff put you in your respective divisions because they knew you had the ability to compete in that division and win. So u18 div3 team i think you are a disgrace to your club and district junior basketball community for community for competing at a level lower than your calibur.

From what I have read on here, these players were dropped for disciplnary reasons in the summer season. This means that they have played the entire winter season in div 3. This was the coaches or Club's decision. If you have an issue with a Club following rules set down by BASA, then complain to BASA or get your Club delegate to, don't come on here and bitch and moan....Do something about it.

Its all a scam by Southern they do not know the meaning of fair sports. The coach has shocked me by getting 4+ players from div2. From a club's perspective i would think that the coach would have been a little more considerate of his original players and not drop them. Its coaches like him that make a lot of players quit district basketball because of their selfish ambitions and desires to win. We have to remember as much as it is important to win we want the players to have fun playing the game they love playing.

anon (49713)
From what I have read on here, these players were dropped for disciplnary reasons in the summer season
I play in the div3 comp and we have played them three times and during this time i have seen the team change every time we play against them. I have also seen players getting dropped to div4 who were according to me good div3 players for div2 players. If the players were dropped for disciplinary reasons then they should have been pulled back to div2. I do not believe that 4+ players can be going down because of disciplinary reasons. How come its only the Southern team that does this. So what about the original div 3 players did they also get dropprd for disciplinary reasons???

I didn't say I had the solutions or knew anything of the issue, just commenting on what I have read. Teams DO change, fact of life.

Did you mean sissy teams i think they love the easy option. A fact they are insulting abusive and they think they are the kings of div3 now. I hate that.
A word of advice for teams if you do not make finals just drop your best players to a lower division so that you can win now i hear it is legal.

If people noticed that this teams was always changing why wait until now to say anything about it. I have two words for every person bitching about this SOUR GRAPES. I guess Southern now know how Sturt and F.Ville feel when people just come on here and bitch becuase they lost.

1 computer - 2 different people and points of view, Isaac. I will stop voicing my opinion but can't guarantee the same for the rest of my household.

Isaac i just know a lot of info about the matter thats why i am posting a lot of times just to answer the questions of other people posting in this thread thats all

Jimmy, still whoever that guy posting was, he is right, Southern shouldn't have done this, probably someone else from his house posting each time

Anon #49724 and Anon #49727 are not the same person or even the same computer.

I believe the Tigers have also done this in another age group. They forfeited their last U14 Div 1 Boys match and the word is most of the team fronted on the Saturday morning to play a Div 2 game. The 2's weren't going to make the finals but could be a common theme within the club. Or maybe the 1's couldn't be bothered travelling to Starplex for their final match!

I think we should let these two people have an arguement with themselves. Obviously two sore losers, let them bitch between themselves

Bitching is that what you call it. I think all the people who want this to end are the Southern people. If its true its true. Its in black and white and now people know the team as culprits. They made two teams which deserved to be in the finals be eliminated namely Sturt and Forestville. Those two teams have had the very same team the whole of the two seasons unlike lieke Southern which has had about six players drop down from division 2 to 3. I know you can allow a team to drop a few players but not the whole team get it.

I heard Southern's U18B3 will have Brett Maher playing for them this week...

;)

ooh someone thinks they are smart if you do not have an input just do not post your opinions. We are discussing a matter that will affect teams one time or the other. For example if you do not make finals because a club allowed teams to acquire lots of players from a higher division. As you all know people are put in a division because of skill. Moving down to a lower division of lower skill is something we all do not want to see. If SA is going to produce great players BASA should not be allowing this kind of behaviours from teams. We should develop a system that helps control this.

Anonymous, Its not Brett Maher its Luke Schensher, he is a Southern Boy. The conspiracy continues!

I have just looked at the sportiingpulse website and i saw that the results of the game was Southern 78-36 Forestville.
During the season first game between the two teams Southern won 47-42 a five point difference.
The second game they played Southern lost to Forestville 57-40 a 17 point difference.
Forestville during the season could beat Southern convincingly but after the Southern team acquired div 2 players they lost by 42 points. So now do you all see the effect of changing divisions has on the competition.

Pickles,

Despite all the claims of "cheating" no one has identified the BASA regulation that has been broken because there isn't one.

I'm not for one minute supporting what has happened but Southern haven't broken any By-Laws.

It's a bit like Greg Chappell getting his brother to bowl under arm - was allowed with the rules at that time but was condemned as not being in the spirit of the game.

While record books might say they(if they in fact do) win the premiership they have to live with themselves knowing it meant nothing.

Do not worry North1 Norwood1 or North2 will play their hardest not to let tose cheats win.

Who says southern are going to win the finals, is all the shit people saying about the teams changes true, do they know the truth behind why sertant players decided to play in Div 3, its just basketball, just have fun!!! the people who are crying get over it and play stronger basketball next season.To me i hope southern tigers win the grand final due to all the crap people have given them.

All the crap they have been given they recruited a div 2 star player just for the finals. Anon have you even considered all the other teams who have played in the same division the whole year do you even know how they feel. Now everyones in div3 is not having as much fun as they should.

Playas only but do you accept the finals game was a blow out 42 point difference thrashing team that beat them a few weeks earier by about 17 points. That proves they have skill plus except for one original div 3 player and four div 2 players.

Another interesting thing i saw was the red haired guy was the div 3 star player and after div2 players got dropped his numbers have dropped tremendously. He was playing pretty awesome game but now he struggles to score or even have a bigger part in the game. in the summer season grandfinal i think he scored nearly all te points for Southern.

If it smells like a rat and if it looks like a rat then it probably is a rat!!!!

Its just div 3 not ABA or NBA or NBL and im pretty sure u r allowed to recruit and change the team throughout the season before finals its what they do in every other sport y not basketball, im a football player myself and players are recruited/ dropped from high grades all the time, Whats the difference. I mean Norwood are a whole div 2 team and im pretty sure they have just lost one game and they are a whole team why dont u windge about that........ and target them 2 not just southern

Anyway what do you think of the Port vs Crows game on the weekend i thoguht it was great cause it showed how shit port really is cause the crows anialated them it was AWSOME just thought id give u people something else to cry about.

awwwwwwwwwww whateva

dont worry bout it Port will win again next year ..... GO THE POWER..

That's Sturt's bad luck Sabretooth, Sturt even if they won wouldn't have made it, due to head to head Southern and F/Ville beat them by more, in Forestville's case, Forestville won both times...

"z", Forestville could handle the pressure, they knew to make the finals a few weeks back they had to at least draw with the top team, they did, they got much better, no Southern stack their team, so they can win, that just screws everyone's hard work

I suggest go through the Div 3 fixtures and look back, at the major turns in margins within the last 10 weeks you'll notice a major change took place somewhere in their, try Round 17 maybe...

why are people the people talkin about football when its about basketball???????????????????
weird

hey pickles housemat y should #50 explain anything when its got nothing to do with anyone i mean if it wasnt legal he wouldnt be in the team or be able to play so i think thats enough and all people and other players really need to know.

In my opinion this forum topic should never have opened and should be closed because southern have done NOTHING WRONG and dont deserve to be abused or threatened by people (people threatening to start a fight if they played them) on the net becasue im sure they have worked just as hard as any other team to get where they are......... DOES ANYONE KNOW THE REALLY STORY CAUSE EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE MAKING UP STUFF? ALL LIES???

redsteak get over what??? i do not understand why #50 came down. i have seen him play and he is an absolute gun player. Its so heartbreaking to see a player like him drop so low to get a district final. Mate you could easily be playing 1s next season this is not good practice for you.

jumpman23 if you do not like this thread then do not post or read it please your comments are not needed.

to be honest i dont think that what southern has done is cheating or could be cheating cause its all legal and i still think this topic should be closed cause it has gonna to far and it will just create rumours and is probably going to make the southern club look bad. i agree red steak people should just get over it!!!!!

I think we should call this thread over. The reason is there are teams that are capable to play against Southern in the finals and probably beat them. The teams are Norwood1 former div2 team, summer season champs North1 and North2. This games will be nearly as good as an actual div2 contest. All this teams have good speed athleticism and skill that will be able to match Southern. Another thing Southern lack in height.

Amen !!!!! but i think all the teams lack in height i mean they are all pretty much the same height i reckon... but thats just me....

Red steak i think we have now declared that this thread is pointless now and should stopped. The only thing we can say to Southern players is that in the future please stay in the division you ought to be in and toughen it out. Now all you can do is play good basketball because two wrongs do not make it right.

!!!CLOSED!!!

Norwood1 have Kenny he is about 6"6 talk about a team getting an advantage in height. He was supposed to play 1s how about that and no one complains about it

I want to ask Southern players what team they think is pretty good and waht their chances are in the finals?

yeah people are only complaining cause forestville expected to win but lost by 44 points and that isnt usually expected in finals but i think the finals would be great to watch because all the teams have equal skill and talent so the games will be played "uptempo", i honestly beleive people should jsut stop all the complaining

im not a player but i think that southern has a good chance in the finals but i think that the remaining teams all have a good chance too, so really any team win but i do know that southern won last year and still have some of the same players so theres no reason y they cant do it again. i just how that the refs arent bias in anyway during these next few games because of this topic coz it is possible.....

I have seen North1 and Norwood1 play and both teams have had big wins they have both won a few games over 60 points in the season. I wonder how they will deal with having a new powerhouse in div3 i am talking of Southern. Another thing both teams finished with 20 wins during the winter season.

Southern have lost two consecutive grand finals last years winter season and this years summer season

anyway i still think that southern will make the grand but its really up to them wether they win or not.!!

it will be pretty hard for them to make it they have to go through all the teams that have beaten them throughout the season. The other teams are strong in their own rights. Southerns weakness they rush their offence to fast and miss too many fast break opportunities.

At least Norwood1 and North1 have an extra incentive to play very hard to make sure that they win the game and avoid playing Southern. Throughout the season this two teams have only lost against each other and were the untouchables of the competition. Now with a stronger Southern they will play much harder and not cruise to the grandfinal without any real opposition apart from themselves.

Hey #54 was the starting guard in the div2 side

Everybody knows that Southern haven't cheated, they won fair and square by the rules, F.Ville and North know this

It is the bloody fact they dropped Div 2's with weeks to go so they could have the glory of winning that is ticking everyone off, I liked the example of the dude that rolled the ball along the ground, it was within the rules, it just wasn't sportmanlike.

But Muuuuuuuuuuuum.

Wont you climb my wishing tree,
He He.

Birds eat my fingers, we'll catch em and freeze em as quick as can be, burds eat my fingers. holla

We'll never forget this Southern

The last few posts has to be from Southern players instead of saying something useful and defend themselves they are busy talking up how far they are going to go. Do not count your chickens before they hatch. I think you understand this better after you beat us (Sturt2 div2) last summer season when we were clear favourites.

If what post (#50171)is true about div3 players moving up is true ten i think thats why Southern was so crap. Tell me hhow many players are in the team that used to play div3 and how many players are in the Southern team.

The benefit of this from a div3 perspective is that it will be interesting to see who wins the title now with a stronger Southern side. All the teams still have a chance of winning for example Southern lost to North2 in rd 20. The only problem Southern probably have is lack of height. Pretty short compared to Norwood and both North teams. That is why i find it hard that anyone should be posting bad thingd about Southern. Probably every team has poached a good player to play for them from whatever division. Even though its morally wrong it brings about competition.
North1 and Norwood1 have dominated the competition 20 wins a piece why doesn't anybody take that into consideration both very good teams they are. The only problem with the other teams is that they struggle a lot with injury concerns like North1 and Norwood1 they currently have six fit players unlike Southern with about ten players.

the think is their all sexi and i just like watching them coz the sexiness is more than any other team and yous are all jelous of the sexines they posses

So iam supposed to understand that one player being disciplined is a good reason to drop 4+players very believable

Sorry awesome-o i didn't want to piss you off

Sean Dillon what a loser you are its just a thread there is no need to get so political. You talk as if you are in the NBA. Guess what its only junior basketball and you do not get paid for playing whatever div u play. So do not think you're f*****g awesome and know what you are saying. Remember its just a game and it seems you play basketball for the wrong reasons.

Disgusted (Mod: Now "get a new name" in this thread for reference) we understand that its not the clubs fault and thats final i know where you are coming from and know we should stop this nonsense because its getting noone anywhere. Lets just play basketball and i hope to have a tough game against the Southern boys team may the best team win on Friday.

Do not worry we will bring our best game anon and we will not let all these posts bring us down we have come to play finals.

"Demanded to play together"
Obviously the players run the club down south, which could account for the erractic behaviour coming out of this club this year.

Interesting point anon know do the players know whats best for them and not the club. The person who posted that is making the people who run the club to seem desperate and powerless. There is something called social basketball if they really wanted to play together.

awesome o i get what you ae saying playing against rough football players and people who do not know the rules thats bad for your basketball

I suppose this is like Woodville Under 10 girls playing all their under 12s in the Under 10 comp last year when technically they still could. To be honest who cares about this, its only Div 3!

At least unlike your club their kids are all their kids unlike your club . You are a joke misty and should go back to the corner and keep sulking about that game that Southern won. You lead a very sad life. You should also get your facts right about clubs before making a dickhead of your self about another topic. Our team numbers were fine before the merger and you need to get your facts straight. Back to school dickhead.

This is coming from 'Misty' what a name! That gives you a lot of credibility. Haha. I would check your sources and then go back under the rock you came from.

Hey Misty, Shouldn't you be getting ready for bed? It is a school night!

Southern lost to Norwood1 44-30 i love it. What an awesome result. It should teach the Southern players a lesson nothing comes easy. You should always work really hard at it. At least now the team that deserves to go to the finals is though not a team full of losers. At least its the final that all people wanted to see two teams that worked really hard all season North1 and Norwood1 fighht it out for the title. It should be a great match.

SOUTHERN IS OUT!!!! Play fair next time.

I hate to say this but know there are two good teams in the final. i felt terrible when Southern beat North2 but after watching the game i saw Southern had 7 or 8 players. Its not that Southern are the best team. They lack height unlike Norwood1 and thats why they lost on Sunday. I know how it feels to play against Norwood1 and i think you did well to have a respectable score. If you made finals i believe it would have been a fast paced game. 2 teams that predominantly play a fast break game. Better lack next year and i am sorry for your loss. For everyone else please stop bagging them they played very well to get where they got to.

sounds like some have had enough of bagging one club so now they think they can concentrate on centrals. Get a life and stop your swearing. Concentrate on your own club and stop worrying about others.

Southern's loss just proves that there are stronger teams in the div3 competition that can handle the aggression and speed of Southern. Can any Southern players tell me why they lost the game.

If you ask me about it i think they lost the game in the big men contest. Norwood1 got a lot of offensive rebounds and Southern big men could not stop them. It was a more even contest of the guards. I think height won the gae n that day.

Maybe Southern don't care and have other things in their lives that they worry about. Seems some people are just on here to stir the pot and need to find some other things to do with their time! It is over and time to move on.

Hey Wateva who are u exactly.

Hey moi. I played in div 2 during that season. Well i can tell you what happened. Southern are not cheating. Some players that played in div 2 quit cause they were mucking arround. All that i can say, the coach of the div 2 boys did not have any control of the boys. Div 3 coach who is a wanker and i hate (honestly) took them cause he thought they could go on and play under 20's div 1. some other players were dropped from the 2's cause they never came to trainings. GET THE DRIFT MATE!!
Southern were not cheating. Those ex 2's were magnificent players. Also those players were replaced in the 2's. So there. NO cheating. Keep on trying mate.