Do they ever do some kind of peer vote?

Fan vote.

Fan voting systems will always screw it up.

www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/andrew-gaze-mark-bradtke-head-nbl-40th-anniversary-team-20180208-p4yzqg

Bradtke, Gaze, Loggins, Crawford, Grace

If you saw McDonald play then surely you also saw grace play? I'd take grace

Yep. Saw them both. McDonald for me.

Team looks spot-on to me.
I went with Rose over Loggins when I did my 5, but I figured Leroy would likely be the more popular pick due to his longevity in the league.
Davis & D-Mac were great players, but Grace & JC just that little bit greater.

2nd five were
Daryl McDonald
Shane Heal
Rob Rose
Mark Davis
Chris Anstey


Nailed it, IMO.

If I was trolling I'd pick an Adelaide player over Grace instead of McDonald who I thought was the best point guard I've seen.

^^^ Unfortunately you can't put brains in statues ^^^

Personally i would have Davis ahead of Bradtke too. But its impossible to leave the other four out

Davis was averaging 25-28 points and 14-17 rebounds a season over his first 8 years in the league and wasn't just considered the best power forward but was always close to league MVP consideration with Loggins most years. He did win a league and grand final MVP also.

His shoulder dislocation in the 94 finals series where the 36ers knocked off the Tigers with Dave Simmons, Lanard Copeland, Gaze and Bradtke led to a significant change in his dominance after that and probably cost him another title to add to his other three.

Before his injury he was the best rebounder the league had seen and was one of the toughest, strongest defenders, often giving away height to bigger players.

How can you say Crawford was better Luuuc? He was never considered an MVP candidate.

Shouldn't Crawford be considered a center anyway?

Davis averaged 25 rebounds a game in a final series one year

JC was good but no Mark Davis

Also, I did consider Crawford and Grace to be excellent players. All I'm saying is I'd be looking at Crawford in the center position instead of power forward. I also liked McDonalds size, passing and defence over Grace. I'm definitely not knocking either of them.

Interesting team.

Gaze is basically a lock in and I think you would be hard pressed to find someone of sound mind who would say that was a bad choice.

I would love to see the actual votes per player and I would love to see each team nominate their own 40th Anniversary team.

My votes were Gaze, Loggins, Bradtke, Davis, Maher. Davis-Crawford was a toss-up, but Udog has some good arguments for Davis in that. Maher was a home-town pick - realistically there are 5-10 really good options in the top bracket of guards including DMac, Grace, Rucker, Heal, Maher, Mee, Smyth, Bruton, Bruton Jr - and I figured DMac or Grace would be the favoured options.

The point guard and center positions would be the hardest to decide I'd say. Gaze, Loggins and Davis would be locks for me.

Read my previous post about Davis for why he is so unfortunate to not be named in the PF position. The anniversary teams are voted by fans. Not experts. So they are up for debate obviously.

I voted for Crawford at center. Davis just too good not to get in at PF.

I watched Crawford play. Even before he was at Perth.

Davis was always an MVP candidate each year but suffered a horrible injury in his 8th season which led yo his drop off statistically. He won League MVP and grandfinal MVP in seperate years, Crawford was never an MVP choice but was very good.

My mistake on the 25th anniversary team being a fan vote. I stand by my choice though because Davis was the best I've seen.

SHANE HEALS Write up: absolute JOKE!!!
Its like they couldnt think of anything so they said...ummm he made heaps of three's!
Mahers Write up would take a dump on HEals!!!

How is Heals 12 3's in a game an accomplishment when a simple google search will show Ian Davies scored 13 in '85?

Good point. Being brash and loud and being a coach/ in the media means he's been more visible in the public eye I guess?

The Heal stat is that he hit 12 3's in two different games. No one else has done that.

Some JC V MD stats to further the chat

Davis 481 games over 17 seasons JC 504 games 19 seasons

Highest stats

3PM MD 5 JC 1
DReb MD 23 JC 18
OReb MD 20 JC 12
TReb MD 29 JC 22
Assists MD 9 JC 8
Steals MD 5 JC 7
Blocks MD 5 JC 8
Points MD 46 JC 57

Double Double MD 256 JC 227

Seasons of more than 20ppg MD 10 JC 11

Seasons of more than 10Rbg MD 11 JC 10

Your basing your choice in one game then.

That logic makes Al Green a lock.

I agree but it's interesting to have a look at

Yes 57. In one game out of his 500+.

57. So what .
Didn't Heal once score 60+

If the stats don't matter then remember Davis pulled those numbers playing alongside Pearce, McKay, Bradtke,Maher and Green being Boomers and HOF

Crawford had Vlahov, Grace and who else?

All NBL Team 1987

#PlayerTeam
PG Steve Carfino Hobart Devils
SG Andrew Gaze Melbourne Tigers
SF Leroy Loggins Brisbane Bullets
PF Mark Davis Adelaide 36ers
C James Crawford Perth Wildcats

I don't see why people are upset that I have Davis at PF and Crawford at C.

Luuuc did that. I just argued his point.

Crawford had Vlahov, Grace and who else?

Cal Bruton, Tiny Pinder and Scott Fisher were pretty handy players at Perth when Crawford played. Even Mike Ellis too though not a star like the others was still a key part of the team.

It isn't much of an argument as one was a power forward and the other was a centre.

It wasn't a dig. I just wanted to back up my reasoning. Crawford is in my 5 is all I'm saying but I couldn't go past Davis at PF.

At least it's a healthy debate. Shows there's plenty of talent that we've been spoiled with over the years no matter who you support.

Oops. I just had a look. Sorry mate

Rogers was the one Boomer I missed

Read my post again. I listed HOF's and Boomers Olympians.

I don’t think Cal is a HOF ( yet) and don’t recall him being an Olympian

Luuuc did that. I just argued his point.

(sorry ... Gaze at the 2 was clearly the easiest pick... Bradtke was 2nd-easiest)

Are there positions for the team, other than two backcourt and three frontcourt players?

Heal making the second team shows how bad the knowledge was.

Just to add to the argument for Davis at PF Crawford at C. After Davis arrived in 85 he made the all nbl 1st team 5 times as well as his MVP awards. Crawford made the team only once after Davis arrived and was named as a center.

Your Mum finally told you....

Actually did they name a coach? I didn't see anything.

Al Green was robbed bigtime

Goorjian definitely due to wins/ accolades but his teams/ tactics weren't always overly exciting.

Hard to argue with most of that, and David and D-Mac made the bench.
Keep in mind that it was based on fan votes. I'd have Davis ahead of Bradke, and voted that way, but Bradke probably pooled more votes from Melbourne.

Apart from hating on the Cats, really can't fathom how people could question Grace's selection. At his best D-Mac was his equal, and we've seen better PG's since, but Grace's overall career is 2nd to none (for PG.)

Loggins v Rose is the eternal debate, both outstanding and deserve their places, Loggins probably tips it with his longevity.

It's interesting that despite being based purely on aggregate votes, they ended up with a reasonably balanced side.

PS: JC could play either the 4 or 5, however his vertical leap and lack of range made him more suited to the 5 for most of his career.
Davis, from memory, played more as a genuine PF, although IIRC he was often named at centre in "all-star" lineups.

As mentioned, for mine I would and did have both.

If forced to pick one or the other it would be a tough call, and only my 30+ years of loyalty would sway me to vote for JC.
And remember it was a fan vote so that probably saw JC and Bradke edge Davis to the Bench.