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Damian Martin a flopper?

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Ha ha Walker a robot

Is this the first year Perth haven't had at least 1 naturalized American on the roster?

Grace retired after 2005 and Redhage didn't naturalise until the middle of the 2008 season. From memory I don't think they had any other naturalised players over those two years?

Would've been some seasons in the 80s as well.

They started in 88 right? Wasn't Bruton there as playing coach?

82. With Hickert, Keys and Evans. Not sure if Hickert was naturalised though, he may have been in under some other exemption.

Bruton didn't arrive until 87, along with Crawford and Pinder.

I got confused because they were crap before Bruton.

We're Grace, Crawford and Fisher all naturalized when playing together?

Only the last couple of years. Fisher and Grace naturalised in 1996, Crawford retired after barely playing in 1999.

Did they ever have 4 Americans on the roster? Sorry, last question....

They had four after Crawford and Pinder naturalised and were joined by Grace (1990-95) and Allen (1990), and Hansen (1991-92).

After Grace and Fisher naturalised in 1996 with Crawford still naturalised, Todd Lichti became the fourth from 1996-99 and they added a fifth with Hansen (1996), Van Dyke (1997), and a handful of players rotating through due to both form and injury in 1998 and 1999.

Walker was in movie review mode while at Adelaide, Gleeson noted the input error, removed the i from movie and adjusted the settings accordingly.

I wonder if they ever started those 5 players in one game?

Nice write up Jack Toft :)

I wonder if they ever started those 5 players in one game?

They had 5 for a 4 year period then 96-99. They would be the only team to ever have so many I'd guess.

Whatever Walker's turnaround is, who knows, may it continue and don’t let Melbourne take him at the end of the season

Melbourne currently have 4 American born players

Wesley? Back then it was 2 imports though. Except the first couple of years from inception I believe?

Ramone Moore suiting up for the 6ers is a welcome boost for this game. Hopefully it's an entertaining one, and the player of the game isn't wearing grey.

I reckon Perth should clog the key way and make them beat us from deep, not the best from beyond the arc.

Stop the transition and the key's for me is personally is deng of the bench and dj.

1st time Adelaide will see cotton and Tokoto play live, great athletes and player's.

If you can't get to a TV, today’s game against Adelaide will be broadcast live on @abcgrandstand digital.

Should be a good game.
Wonder whether the MC can be heard again or whether the music will be all Bass.
Another useless game day presentation

If you can't get to a TV, today's game against Adelaide will be broadcast live on @abcgrandstand digital.

I haven't watched a game Homicide's done commentary on since around early to mid December, with the exception of the Wildcats' home game against Brisbane which I attended, and could thus watch without his involvement.

I watch as many games as I can.
I don't get bothered by who is commentating just enjoy the game.

I feel like people have the ability to not get deterred by certain things. For example, barking dogs in a neighbourhood. Just tune it out and choose not to get annoyed by it. Doesn't take much, Kobe. Show yourself that you're not a weak-minded individual. Sounds harsh, but I'm not shitcanning you. Just deal with it. We know how much you love NBL, and to not watch something because of one guy talking on the broadcast is stupid.

Get over it! Homicide done an amazing job so far!

Finally Joey has listened and dropped Hodgson to the bench .

I'd love to see us play a zone once in a while, Adelaide aren't super strong from the three. Cut their strength out.

Tommy Greer, I see it now. His talk is mundane and riddled with buzzwords that make his stuff sound interesting to someone only half paying attention. Much like Basil Zempilas

Damn
leaned in. Another good call.

not the refs fault we are giving them lay ups, crap d is our problem.

Sixers shooting 12% from the 3pt line, yet we keep persisting with man to man. Play a zone for fuks sake Gleeson.

Re: FloppyCats flopping

Several seasons ago I looked at the stats per team, home and away.
Each team plays a similar style so I looked at the number of fouls per team and offensive fouls awarded per team.

Of the teams, all teams except one were pretty consistent regarding the number of fouls awarded to and against them on the road and at home.

However, the Wildcats had less fouls per game awarded against them at home and a visiting team had more fouls awarded against them while playing at the stadium. For example, the non-Wildcat team averaged 15 fpg at home at 16 fpg away, but 19 fpg at Perth. Wildcats averaged 12 fpg against them at home, but 17 fpg on the road.

Significantly, the number of offensive fouls per away team was and average of around 1.2 fpg at other stadiums, but about 2.3 fpg at Perth. When Perth was on the road they fouled at the same rate as the away team.

Unfortunately, I can't find my old stats or post, but yes Wildcats fan you are favoured at home.

BTW, FYI doubters, I have actually studied statistics and applied maths at Uni so I know how to interpret data.

Adelaide you are so cheap...Buy your own damn cheeseburgers

Perth is losing so the reffing is fine. If Perth didn't get the benefit of the whistle every game, they wouldn't win a single game

Anon, when I find it, I will post it.

A few soft ones but the Cats aren't even giving the refs a chance to show consistency at the other end. Very lacklustre half by us. Dumb offence, and lazy defence. I expected a lot better after the way we played last game.

Nice post Jack - I remember when you posted that thinking it was a great analysis. It is hard though to talk any sense into one eyed anonymous Perth fans badly in need of some rectinol.

Nice 2nd qtr by the Sixers, great continuous attack on the rim. Hopefully we can put the cats away in the third quarter as we seem to have let a lot of teams stay in games that we shouldn't have this year.

Haven’t seen a lot of Tokoto but he is very impressive - Wildcats import recruiting would have to easily be the best in the nbl in recent times.

Gonna play some D this half are we? Ok maybe we can make this a contest.

36ers don't play well against a zone d... although I've mentioned that a few times before....

Martin playing at another level! Can you believe the steals he can get?

Hodgson can't be that soft. He cleaned up Wagstaff there.

Terrible quarter by the Sixers - the zone really derailed our offense. Unfortunately none of our imports can shoot the 3 consistently and it is a big weakness when they are all logging a lot of minutes. Obviously Drimic being out hurts too but I do worry we don't have enough of a perimeter offense to be a serious threat this year - hopefully I’m wrong.

what a utter disgraceful collapse by the wildcats

What did Tokoto say to Deng there? I wish I could make contact dunks like you've been making 3s this Q?

That was an exciting High Standard Game!

I'm guessing the anon hyping Big Bash is a salty Perth fan?

I don't know, beating the top team on the ladder when you are fighting for a post season spot seems like a decent reason to celebrate lol

Nope, I complain plenty. Thought it was fine tonight though, not much wrong compared to the past few weeks.

No, salty will be me when Perth smash Sydney by 40+ points on Saturday night.

Not going to win many games when you're out-played in 3 of the 4 quarters. Pretty weak effort by the Cats I thought.

Took Deng pulling a game out of his ass to beat the Cats. 36ers jumping around like they won the championship, lol, enjoy the mid-season home win.

And Perth fans wonder why they're the most disliked fans in the league.

Lose with some dignity FFS

I said that before the game started

Massive scoring output by Deng. 16 points in 14 minutes. Compare that to 2 points in 27 mins by Martin

Great game to watch, serious individual talent on show with a number of players having great moments. DJ being a beast in the first half, Tokoto impressive and serving up a facial to Mitch Creek. Shorter/Childress/Creek attacking the rim in the second quarter and having great all round games, in the third - Cotton taking over offensively and Damien Martin taking over defensively. Then Deng coming off the bench in the fourth when the 6ers looked unable to score against the zone and busted the game wide open. And those attempted dunks by Tokoto and Childress - imagine if they had been completed - would have made it even better.

Unfortunate this thread has been derailed by anonymous posters on school holidays for what was a great game.

Happy with the win for the Sixers but I would like to see Joey have a better strategy to go to when teams shift to a zone defence. This seems to have hurt us a fair bit in games this season. As DJ was feeling good, it might have been worthwhile running some plays for him to get an open 3 in the third when they went to the zone rather than having guys drive into multiple defenders and turn the ball over. However putting Deng in the fourth and having him do what he did works also - great to see a young player step up like that in crunch time.

Its only January. Calm the farm .

What a horrible week to trade in Tokoto and Captain him. Was tossing up between trading in DJ and Childress but decided to go Tokoto and upgrading Humphries to Brandt. Never thought Tokoto would be the mistake.

United get minor premiership

SF1: Melbourne beats NZ
SF2: Adelaide beats Perth
GF: Melbourne beats Adelaide

Awesome post. Definitely worth posting twice.

"I was disappointed with our defence, failure to execute and not playing hard enough," said Trevor Gleeson.
"One thing a coach shouldn't have to ask his players is to play hard enough. It's disappointing."

If Perth's chemistry can go to shit and they don't try as hard, that'd be great. Tokoto has a big role to play in this scenario. Step up, kid!

Because they aren't the most talented team in the competition, that's for sure

As a Tokoto fan. I'm starting to question is mental toughness and desire.

His turnovers are also annoying at times.

Wildcats played badly but were in it. Not a terrible loss considering we could have won but had no business being in contention.

A career night by a Deng cost us the W.

If Shorter doesn't re-sign with Adelaide, I hope we have a go at him. Been a fan since day 1. Really showing some shit, including in the half-court

And TR, that's what I mean about Tokoto being a big part in Perth's downfall. I saw that in him pretty early, turned me off. That and the fact he plays for Perth. In the industry we call that a BAN

Certainly not Tokoto's finest game, but he was far from the only culprit too. At least he attacked the basket occasionally. When he's taking a lot of longish jumpers it's sometimes a poor decision, but IMO mostly a symptom that our whole offence is dysfunctional, and it's up to him to bail us out. His impact on D is a concern though. He has been generating us free possessions & easy baskets, but not so much lately.
We need more from our front court to take some pressure off the back 3.

Deng will be a future star. He is so solid for a young bloke with limited minutes. Very hard to guard a bloke like that too.

I've really enjoyed reading all the whining on here. Puts a big smile on my face:)

Match report Adelaide Now

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/basketball/majok-deng-explodes-with-16-final-quarter-points-as-adelaide-beats-perth/news-story/15d72b17a05db262237bb1e31c6ac460

1/ Jack Toft took the trouble to look up and post stats regarding Perth's referee advantage at home. He doesn't need to reproduce them for proof as any halfwit can see, it has been happening for a very long time. All credit to Perth as they have finessed, better than any other team, how to push the referee's boundaries to the max. How to make the referees feel bad for calling so many fouls on one team. Lets face it we need a clean out of the current referees and some new blood brought in. They have not been good enough for a very long time. They often blow the whistle in anticipation of fouls that may or may not follow. Happened several times tonight where the whistle came just before the contact. Yes they guess, they assume and they have sensitive ego's. LK must do better.

Win or lose no one is going to be happy with the refs. They are not consistent, they are not particularly liked or respected. They fail to earn respect from both teams and coaches. Exception perhaps Melbourne United. Either retrain them or replace them!

I'm a Sixers fan and was there tonight and there was plenty to not like for either team regarding the refs.

Luckily for Adelaide Deng got some last quarter court time and showed his team mates the value of shooting practice. Yes he stepped up and filled the gaping hole from range, his team mates could not. It has been remarked that he is the first to arrive at training and the last to leave , practicing on his own. Well done MD.

Huge games from Creek, Childress, Johnson and Shorter, but without Majak to break up Perth's zone defense from range in the last quarter, their great games would have been wasted.

Hopefully Adelaide can stay fit now. Would have liked to see them play Perth in the play offs last year because they looked to have the wood on them. If they meet them this year with a fit roster it will be interesting.

And if Sobey finds some shooting form look out.

Ref blaming is a cop out, players make as many mistakes as refs, but most supporters are blind to their teams mistakes and look to blame someone else, happens in all sports, we played one decent quarter the third in all honesty, you won't win doing that against anyone, let alone a decent team like Adelaide.

Still i'm happy where we are at right now, same time last year we were struggling. Right now it's a pretty even season, so getting home court in the finals will be huge this year.

Great win by Adelaide - what a game!

Cotton is a brilliant player, I'm surprised he didn’t take more shots given he was on fire from the arc. He doesn’t seem like a 'shoot only smart shots and gets a high percentage’ shooter, he seems more like a ‘shoot wherever whenever and gets a high percentage’ player. He should have kept shooting and driving until he missed a few in a row - particularly down the stretch where someone from Perth had to take the bull by the horns. Instead he drew in players and passed out for a player (Martin) to miss wide open three after three. Ordinarily a great move but down the stretch you’re the one on fire you’re the one who has to do it.

Sobey needs to refocus himself he’s a mess at the moment. He’s not a spark on D he’s travelling, losing the ball, missing shots, not rebounding. Last year he was blocking shots, intercepting passes, grabbing big rebounds, making strong drives to the basket and nailing huge jumpers. He doesn’t seem motivated, he looks more like he wants to sook then anything. It starts with getting back to effort on D, harassing players, igniting turnovers. He does that and he’ll get plenty of drives. As he starts driving hard to the basket he’ll start getting more of the ball, registering points and feeling a swagger, then he’s more likely to start nailing his big jump shots.

Johnson had a great game. Too often he’s an inconsistent player where he either has a huge game nailing threes and midrange shots and fighting in the basket or a quiet game where he doesn’t touch the ball much or do nearly enough. I’d love to see him consistently be dogged in aggression like he was lastnight. He didnt demand too much of the ball, he wasn’t taking lots of threes to have a good game, he was just super effective in driving to the basket when he got the ball and making great cuts when he didn’t to get the pass and layup. It’s not beyond him to average 16-20ppg playing like that each game.

Shorter has been motivated the past two games, he’s our best dribbler and he’s great and beating that trap D. Early on he was making some average passes and taking shots that would get blocked. Last few games he has pushed the ball, made huge layups, made effective passes and taken good shots. Keep doing what you’re doing!

Deng I was shocked he wasn’t put on earlier after he’s good efforts the previous two games against Cairns and NZ. That cameo lastnight was brilliant stuff. He started to ignite v NZ albeit missing the dunk but lastnight he finished that dunk and went bang bang bang from 3. He’s very capable of it, he’s becoming an X factor.

Hodgson has to stop getting stupid fouls. Adelaide can’t afford it! I’m surprised he hasn’t learned his lesson yet.

Perth Fans are awesome

And hoops is the winner on both counts

Fans are the same everywhere. People in general are dumb. It's a prerequisite infact if you want to be President of the United States these days.

don't enjoy seeing my team lose, but good to see the comp is alive and kicking.

"made a meaningless comparison to Martin's."

Not quite, I deliberately chose to compare Deng against the most defensive player on the night.

One could say I caught a worm, put it on a hook and dangled it, but with Perth fans one doesn't really need a worm at all.....

koberulz
Yesterday
17:49 4 Jan 18

Reply #664115
re: Sixers v Cats, Jan 4
I haven't watched a game Homicide's done commentary on since around early to mid December, with the exception of the Wildcats' home game against Brisbane which I attended, and could thus watch without his involvement.


Totally despise the Homicide hate. I wish he commentated every game.

Guys only thing we need now is Homicide commentating in the Big Bash League Lol.

BBL is fantastic By the Way. Have it on the TV while I am watching the NBL on my MacBook at the same time.

Awesome to see AJ Tye wearing Steph Curry Socks the other day anyone see that?

If Deng hadn't gone nuts in the 4th Perth would have won easily.

But if Cotton hadn't gone nuts in the 3rd, Perth would have lost by 20.

You can pull out this meaningless shit whenever you like but it doesn't change anything. I thought Adelaide played better on the whole, and it started looking like some individual brilliance was going to take the W away from them, but then some individual brilliance from Deng swung it back in Adelaide's favour. That's sport! Love it.

Love the banter between Perth and Adelaide fans.
Majok Deng well deserved player of the game.

Star of the comp in years to come. Big skinny bugger that he is.