Kings got worse with Randle?? Are you watching a different team or something?

No I'm going on wins/losses they were 2-7 without him and are 1-4 with him.

Danger game for Melbounre.

Sydney's seasons over so they can come in and let it fly.

Would be a disaster for Melbourne to lose, although they seem to smash under-man teams and lose to the quality ones...

5 hosting 8 surely Melbourne will get up for this one.
Expecting a new thread about the losing team !!

Yes in a few hours time there will be a Sack Gaze oe Sack Vickerman thread, hopefully with only 2 replies.

Should be a cakewalk for United. Just on-ball screen the whole night with Ware and Goulding, don't even bother popping just roll straight in. Have Moller, Majok and Barlow crash the O board, game should be won by end of 3rd. Just don't try anything fancy.

Kings are definitely a better team with Randle (regardless of W/L), we got lucky with some early games against the Hawks when they were as bad as we are.

Who knows with Melbourne, but in theory they should blow us out of the water. Playing against the Sydney D is the best way for out of form guys to bounce back, so CG43 or Ware will probably drop 30, maybe both.

Kings are definitely a better team with Randle (regardless of W/L), we got lucky with some early games against the Hawks when they were as bad as we are.

Not sure what to think about this one. I think it'll be a United win by single digits. But let's hope both teams get hot and it becomes a shootout.

Should be mad about Perry Ellis losing Goulding while in the 2-3 zone to give him the open look and get him going, but in his defense Ellis has probably watched every United game and didn't realise Goulding can knock those down.

Wow Golding's shot looks money for the first time i have seen this year. Sydney look to really have their hands full. Could be a blow out!!! Got to hang tough.

We may be on the bottom of the leader, but I'm pretty sure we are the league leaders in straight line drives down the middle of the key allowed.

The Kings are just horrible.

He'd be silly to quit. He's unlikely to get another head coaching job in this league for a long time if ever and he's on $400k a year under contract for next season.

If Gaze is actually keen to keep coaching, I'd like to see him take an assistant gig after this and work his way back up. I hope he does quit just because I'm disliking watching him meltdown on the sidelines even less than I'm disliking what is happening on the court.

*even more

The Kings could loan Lebron James from Cleveland and it wouldn't matter.

Thing is though, if the team had recruited a decent import PG (not necessarily Randle) and a decent import big (not necessarily Tyler) in the actual offseason, the Lion could probably have coached these guys to .500. I don't think Gaze is even close to up to the answer at coach, but JvG has done an absolutely woeful job of putting him in a position to succeed.

So I saw David Barlow cross someone up in the second quarter. Can you do that more often pls?

The Barlow Karma bus has just run straight over Randle. Kings losing and Randle will now fake an injury, go down the race and sit for a while. Way to man up.

Goulding must've seen his name listed in the OVERRATED thread this week and it lifted his game?

Gaze got nothing left in his tiny bag of tricks, there is not much proper plays being run out there. Its just Randle making on-the-floor decision on offense or individual player doing their one-on-ones. Nothing much going on defensively either, some token 2-3, maybe I saw a junk a few times or something that's supposed to resemble one...

Can't motivate, can't communicate, can't teach and can't discipline. Homicide, usually full of bluster didn't dare to utter a single word when Russell asked if Gaze will coach the Kings next season. There must be a gag order from up top.

Homicide would put 80% of the blame on the players I'd say, based on his comments.

Nice slide tackle by Goulding, lucky to not get the yellow card there.

That's pretty poor there by Goulding...I’m a Melbourne supporter, he does make it hard to like him.

At least someone on the Kings is showing some fire. Honestly I'd rather that than standing around with their dicks in their hands like the other 4 guys on the court while they get spanked.

Tyler what a little child

Grow a pair and focus on getting wins for your team

Agreed Angus.

Goulding should probably remember how well he's shot in other games before he starts talking to the kings bench.

Kings already have Zach Randolph

They could go get LBJ, Durant and Curry for their 3 imports, chances are they'd lucky to be a .500 team with Gaze. They need a proper coach.

Embarrassing. Kings should be relegated to Thursday nights at Sutherland.

Watching the game i said to the wife , Tyler looks like his about to whack someone right before him and Ando started their little push and shove.

Gaze may not be the best coach, but what these players are dishing up out there on the court is absolute tripe and they should just forfeit the rest of the season, they clearly don't care.

If I were Kevin Lisch I wouldn't want to come back to this team. Feel sorry for him.

If Gaze goes and JvG stays, nothing changes.

Well there you go Gaze just said emphatically he won't be quitting.

That's thing all these big name high priced players when they could've just put out a team of no name young guys and they would've achieved the same result, bottom.

Yep, field a SEABL side and you've won 3 less games and saved over a million dollars.

I think the best case scenario for Kings fans tired of JVG and Gaze is to have Lister move JVG to purely administrative/marketing. Unlikely Harvey will cut all ties with JVG on running the Kings.

Appoint someone else to basketball ops and hire a new coach for next season. This is pretty much the last game to wait and see for that miracle perfect run. Season is officially finished so might as well start contacting potential candidates.

Financially, it may be a modest loss this season but what a waste of time, reputation and opportunity to expand market share so far.

Gee it'd be tough being in the Kings situation and having to put up with a petulant gonk like Tyler. Cadee’s face when Tyler had his little temper tantrum with the towel was great.
Not only does Gaze have to deal with an underperforming team, but he has to babysit Tyler as well.

I know this has been covered here and I haven't bothered reading the detail but who was mainly responsible for recruiting? I believe jvg took the blame for that in his halftime interview a few weeks ago at the Hawks game?

Cos really, they started the season without a point guard or a decent Centre. (Then their best point guard and best player got injured). Then they recruited a guy with a history of questionable character. You could even say 2 guys with a history of questionable character if you wanna include Randle.

Blanchfield got injured too. At no time have they had a consistent lineup that resembles a balanced basketball team.

Gaze hasn't done himself any favours, but at the same time recruitment has been a complete schmozzle. I dunno. I tend to agree with Homicide- go 9-5 on the run home and try to keep Randle at least, plus most of the team and go again next year. Go 6-8 or worse and call it a day for Gaze. In between would be interesting

I'd rather Cadee react to his own horrendous play on both ends the past handful of games by giving a damn rather than pull faces when Tyler fires up, but YMMV.

2 of the most consistent nbl coaches McLeod and Dennis are available for work.both have runs on the ball with low budget teams. The Kings gig would be suited to either.

Tylers tantrum was due to seeing how may mins Cadee plays and then seeing his stats.
Tylers was returning more even when he fouled out in 2 mins.

Would Gaze be that selfish to stay in a job where he openly admits he's not helping the team to win?

I am surprised that Barlow's cheap shot on Randle did not get much attention. To me that was clearly a moving screen. Since when do you legitimately use your back to screen someone in transition. I thought it was an automatic block that should have been called. Referees should be trying to eliminate (a la flopping) this sort of play.

What a fucking mess... I had to stop watching at quarter time and then skipped ahead on social media and just deleted the game from my foxtel box...

I just can't anymore... The effort on the court from the players is nothing but pathetic... Tyler is the only one showing any passion, but ruins it by acting like a child... When it takes three coaches to hold him off and then he still doesn't listen so has to be dragged off, THAT is a problem...

Players have given up... Kevin coming back might give them a bit of a boost, but that won't last long... Newls will break his contract with a Euro out clause, I think Kev might stick around due to family stuff and put up with a bit as he's on a pretty good deal for an older player that wasn't showing much before he got injured, I doubt he'd get such value next time around...

The virus has spread to the players and that's some of the worst on court effort I've seen...

Once Lisch is back and going Kings can still make playoffs if they win a dozen of their last ten (just to carry on the commentary theme).

So even if they give 110% it won't be enough? :O

The way this season going with 2 leading teams, 15 wins may be bare minimum and might need % to help you get in. You're hoping they win 12 of 13 with 3 of those vs. Perth? I can't see Gaze beating Perth 3 times in a row with at least one in Perth arena.

Also 1 more at Cairns, possibly with them at full strength with Jawai and the Volcano back... yeah, nah I don't think so AshT. They'd do well to go 8-5. That will put you at 11-17, still in wooden spoon territory.

WookieE - I doubt Newley will get a gig in Europe, hes lost his step big time from last year.

Did I hear right that Randle has a 1 year option after this year.

If so, keep you core together, dump Tyler and upgrade the 5 spot and have one more run at it.

Look at Hardick at the Tigers in the AFL, 5 years of under-performing and they win the flag.

I think sacking coaches with time to run on their contracts, unless it's untenable, has been shown not to work in recent years.

Kings fans just need to sit this one out and look to next year (says smug United fan ;)).

I'm not going to give up on Sydney just yet, they have Lisch to come back and he may be the stabilising influence they need to give it a good crack.

I'm not suggesting they will make the playoffs, but at least they will be better than this.

"Sit this one out and look to next year!" should be printed on a banner and hung in Qudos Bank Arena, considering it's been our unofficial tagline since re-entering the league.

I'm not 100% sure why people wouldn't want Tyler back. At least he shows some enthusiasm and fight. The rest of the King's lineup are softer than a pensioners turd.

Herve...generally teams like a player with a bit of fire and passion, Tyler has that. However, he needed to be restrained by a couple of people and even then he wasn't cooling off, that's a risk to the team where other teams can exploit hot-headedness (if that is a proper word).

Who gives a rats if Tyler has passion,his defence is non existant. He's the first name on top of Boone's Xmas card list this year!
As for Dwayne,really mate you beat the wooden spooners and you are carrying on like a pork chop.
Where were all these gun players in Cairns?

Maybe with all this dysfunction, Lisch will want to return to Perth!

I give a rat's when the rest of the team miss assignments, don't get a hand in the shooters face, or continually fail to pick up their man.
Everyone rips on Tyler (I was one) but I'd rather have him than Cadee and Blanchfield. Newley isn't much better.
Tyler hasn't fouled out in about 4 games, but the commentators and flogs on here continually harp on about his attitude, but fail to aim criticism at the Kings local contingent who's hearts would fit in a midgets thimble.

There's passion, something that Casey Prather and Russell Westbrook play with and then there's petulant whinging at every call that goes against them, something Tyler plays with.

God only knows what he'd be like in the locker room??

Players like that can only survive in a solid system's like Perth or Adelaide with tough coaches, not first time coaches like Gaze who seems to be spending more energy acting as a baby sitter.

Anyway, should make Sydney's game's more interesting if nothing else...

Go back and have a look at the last foul call on Tyler, which is whistled about 3 seconds after the supposed foul. He had every right to lose his shit.

Goulding deserved a tech.
If Gaze is just going to be a handbag and stand there with that perplexed look on his head, that doesn't inspire confidence.
Tyler was spot on with his Goulding spray.

Unleash him I say, I want to see an epic meltdown!!!!

Any footage on youtube?

SteveK2, well what about winning thirteen of their last six games. Could they do that?

I was a little off about when the foul happened On Tyler, but this foul call belongs in the Tim Donaghy Hall of Fame. And not one commentator says anything about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UKRz2f_IRg&feature=youtu.be

That's right. No foul there at all. Home cooking by the ref. Man, they should be held accountable.