Melton Men relegated to Div 2, Ivan Harris has joined Keilor.

Macabbi back in D2M

All the NBL refs are in Big V for 2018.

Bozeman signed at Waverley hasn't he ??

Blackburn might need one or two additions but if they can retain the same squad from last season I think that will be good enough to be competitive and win 5-7 games in my opinion.

Blackburn will add an import at least, maybe even 2 if they have the budget.

I would think that Blackburn will be fairly competitive in SCM if they retain the majority of their squad from 2017. Adding an import or two will help them a lot

Coach Rogers looks like he is rebuilding the Sherbrook program

Chelsea D1 men looking near unbeatable

So who else have Chelsea got ??

I have heard Standerfer, Brasser, Jake Martin and John King which is good but certainly not unbeatable....

Jake martin has signed at goldfield in WA.
John king , the guy that emails or calls every club in the country every year but never seems to play?

It'll be very interesting to see how Sherbrooke go this season under coach Rogers. Known for his recruiting, will he utilize some of their VYCM player and promote them to play D2M? Miraflores is a good signing but one has to question as to why he has been to so many clubs?

The signing of Nikoloff is a good one. He can shoot the ball and given the opportunity he will do well.

Standerfer looking to get citizenship so they can add an import....

John King will be a permanent resident soon.

John King will tear D1 a apart.. guy can seriously play. Why is he playing D1 at Chelsea? They must be spending $$$$$$$$$

@ Thebear, Why do you ask.

Think most would have a WWC card regardless of the rules.

What are you basing John king 'tearing' d1 apart on? There is a reason no club picks him up every season. Guy would be a role player if he was a local.
Biggest problem for Chelsea is if they think it's going to be a cake walk because they licked their way into a gf. If bulleen didn't lose martin Chelsea would have finished 4th and been knocked out in week one of finals playing keilor. New season, new teams, everyone starts 0 - 0. The problem chelsea have is that they have to start or first sub is a player who has no impact on the game whatsoever. Depth will be an issue. Corey will still carry them to top 4. God help them if he misses games through injuries.

John king has turned down offers every season as they didn't suit him. This does so he will play.

D1M will be much much weaker next year. Chelsea will be a fair bit stronger, you work it out.

What are people's view on how Collingwood will go in D1M?

One would assume being a inner city club, they won’t have much trouble in recruiting players from all regions of Melbourne.

DV's big recruitment announcement Meg Crupi

Surely Corio Bay will drop out of SCM, they will probably struggle to win a game if they stay there?

Do BigV clubs hold open tryouts?

How does someone join a SCM team?

Keep checking league and club websites or facebook pages for Big V open trials.

Nick Ross is on the look out for a new club after giving Pakenham the news that he will not be returning in 2018.

Haha, that's funny if you know

Thanks Nick.....

Rumour is rubbish, competition teams have been decided a while ago, Geelong are in Div 1 Men and Corio Bay are in SCM where they have been forever...

I think he's referring to rumours around Geelong, about Corio which is in Geelong, and playing in SCM

"New Sting" is probably Hutchy himself

Who is nick Ross??

If you ask Nick he's a combo guard similar skill set to Kyrie except with a better 3 ball.

Blackburn will surprise teams, very versatile and if Jack Roberts sticks around they'll likely be mid table. Won't be adding imports just not their style or budget, all the blokes have played there for years though so chemistry is top notch compared to a lot of teams that cobble rosters together each season.

Has the players Blackburn have picked up over the past couple of seasons from Sherbrooke, Warrandyte etc also played there for years ??

The sides that have to battle and "cobble rosters together" ensure there is a competitive and viable competition.

Who would the likes of Blackburn play against if some of these battling clubs didn't make the effort to "cobble rosters together" ??

These clubs do a very good job from what is usually not an ideal situation !!

I am hearing Hawthorn have signed Nelson Kirksey, interesting if true, hope they have done their homework....

What happened with Nelson at Kilsyth?

Didn't make them better. Good athlete. Got boards. Needed buckets. They needed a 6'3" electric guard that could score from the perimeter. He wasn't that. They had better balance when they played the young shooters. That was my view from the outside.

Could be really good in the right team with the right balance of players around him, especially at Big V.

Okay, so what are those rumors about Corio Bay that will make them competitive again in SCM after they could hardly win a game last season? Hutchy is 40+ and will not make any impact on court, he may be a decent coach but he is no Mark leader, so where is the improvement coming from not they lost Reardon and Hicks?

Stingrays will be competitive but I don't think they will challenge the top teams. Hard to replace a stud like Hicks who dominated Champ Men and doing well back in SEABL. Stingrays should have dropped a division in my opinion. Talk is only one import which will make things even harder for the "RAYS"

What has gone 'wrong' within the Stringrays camp over the last year to cause all this? Firstly, losing Reardon to Waverley and then Hicks to Geelong SEABL.

Is there some underlining factor that has caused this?

O'Leary only coached them for a season and appears not to have retained the top job, although he may have just been care taking.

Why this fall from grace?

Was always not very sustainable model. Once key guys would leave/retire they were going to struggle.

Are there any practice games lined up before Christmas?

Any practice games results so far?

The big question is who can knock of Ringwood... very consistent and with a floor general in Snowball I just don't see them not making the grand final series for another year. Waverley will be around the mark but who else.

Keilor will finish middle of the road at best. They will not compete with the top sides. Not enough local talent to do anything in state champ.

Word is that Eric Gaff will play Stingrays next season so Corio Bay will get a quality big to fill the 5 spot who is as good if not better than anyone else in BigV next year.

Casey will look good next year. Will compete at the top of state champ men and also Div 1 women

Any NBL players expected to land in Big V? If so who? For what team?

Are Thoseby and Hodgson returning to the Raiders?

I don't understand how thoseby was even able to get a nbl contract. A "shooter" that can’t shoot. He can’t defend and looks horrible when he dribbles.

So they give out sympathy contracts in the nbl?

Thoseby paid his own way on the China trip ? Lmao. If true no wonder Kings are in deep shit.

Knox would be fools to bring back thoseby who finished big v 2017 averaging 5 ppg in last games of season. And hodegson who didn't play the entire last month.

Does anybody have any idea how both Keilor teams are shaping up after their promotion to State Championship?

I'd imagine the women would add an import. On the men’s side they seem to have a good group of core players

Keilor have added Ivan Harris from Melton. One wonders how that lineup will go.

Not many bench minutes for the Keilor role players... Hopefully Jordan Coleman can crack it for a starting gig in the first half of the season this year....

That group mentioned above won't compete at top end of state champ. Chuck shot barley 30% last year. Ivan is streaky scorer at best. They both got a year older and slower

Who were the best champ & div 1 imports last year? Are any returning?

Ringwood have brought back Jacob Gibson and signed newcomer Scottie Stone.

Chris Kaba returning for Knox.

Dillion Stith and Dondray Walker returning for McKinnon.

Brandon Polk and Raheem Lemons returning for Casey.

Apparently stated above Ringwood have Jacob Gibson returning

Anon 308 so you think those D1 guys could compete in Champ? Have any champ teams picked up some of the better D1 imports?

Ben Louis? This the same guy that averaged 6 turnovers per guy last year?

Dylan Travis has signed for western port.

Big v isn't as good as it once was. Because players that average 6 turnovers are being classed as good players in the league

Could any of those imports from SCM or D1 play SEABL?

Seabl over hyped. Seabl teams lose to SCM all the time in preseason games.

A lot of those imports played Seabl previously.

That's because the SEABL teams don't care about betting Big V teams in the pre-season. It's like big brother beating up on little brother.

Huge excuse!

Frankston and Melbourne wouldn't beat the top 5 teams of state champ from last season.

If you back and see how teams have gone when stepping up, most have been fine. They add a few pieces etc and do well with their core.
McKinnon made a gf within two years of going up with core pieces from their d1 team. Made finals in first season.

It's mainly about signin good imports and the club being committed long term. Whittlesea won d1 a few years ago to get promoted but one year after the coach leaves and they have been relegated.

Casey Made finals their first season in State Champ last season...

Yes and sooo many of those Big V players have had NBL careers similar to those of Redhage and Kelly. The simple fact that players like Luke Egan (lovely bloke but he is in his 40's) can put up 40 points in a SCM game and ave close to 18ppg is an indication of the level of Big V.

Heck Sobey went back to Warnambool (Div 1) in 2016 when he hardly played for the 36ers and nearly averaged 40 ppg. Big V has and always will be trash.

Good to see a stud like Thoseby who averaged a healthy 18 ppg in Big V SCM tearing it up in the NBL at 1.3 ppg.

I'm not the butthurt anonymous poster throwing insults lol

Really the discussion is that SEABL has greater depth in its league than any other 2nd tier competition in country.

The top 3 or 4 teams in QBL could easily compete and make finals in SEABL without question, then their quality drops away quickly the more you go down the ladder.

The rest of the other state league competitions are bordering on rubbish. Big V, Waratah and the SA premier league are not good leagues top to bottom. Premier league improved in 2017 after they removed some import restrictions.

Every league has some individual talent but anyone who says Big V is even close to SEABL across the board, top to bottom is seriously deluded.

The best teams from the WA SBL would compete in QBL/SEABL also. But like the BigV the depth drops away FAST after the top 2 or 3 teams.

Who will be the best teams this season in Big V SCM? Big V D1M? Big V SCW? Big V D1W?

Bear you might see something similar before you know.

I think Premier League in SA would be close to Big V champ & ahead of Div 1 Big V

Have there been imports or others who have played in both leagues recently? How was Starling in Big V?

No way is SA Premier League stronger than Big V Div 1.

Woodville's mvp from 2 seasons ago went to Kilsyth in SEABL and got sacked pretty quick last yeah

Starling was ok when played for Warrnambool D1M. One of their best players but a lot of players and imports in D1M were better.

Many of the imports shooting percentages from SA Premier League wouldn't be tolerated at Big V level, some of them are horrendous, particularly from the foul line.

So you're saying the better Big V D1 imports would compete in Premier League/SBL type leagues?

Easily.

Guys like Corey Standerfer, Justin Patton, Xavier Blount, Damon Bozeman, Deondre McWhorter - how good are they? Could any play NBL? Be effective SEABL imports? Or be ok in other state leagues QBL/SBL/ PL?

Talks of Jorden page and possibly an NBL player going to Casey.

Corio Bay announce team list:

"2018 State Championship Men's team, lead by Coach Paul Hutchison, looks to be another great year for our Stingrays Family.

We are excited to announce our team, including both returning and new players;
Michael Rebula, Joel McFall, Griffin Errey, Chris Eichler, Cohen Blythe, Steven Wiasak, Jackson Bentley and Phil Renteria

The Squad Members include;
Dane Bowe, Ethan McIntyre, Mitchell Stoop, Michael Todorovic, Chris Hill

Our Stingrays Family continues to grow and we look forward to the 'Singlet Presentation' in the new year."

Casey wanted Adam Doyle, but now injured.
Jordan Page a definite option.

Casey sticking to their locals quota well

Looks like Corio Bay by my calculations still has 4 spots to announce. Congrats to Rays on Bentley, Waisak great get from Supercats and Renteria from Hume. So who are imports anyone heard anything.

Why is it that when we compare these leagues, it's always done through the prism of the Men's league?

SEABL Women is easily the second best women's league in Australia. Easily. No question.

With regard to the Men's SEABL - there is a discussion to be had but again IMO, SEABL is stronger across the board. Put the two together and it's not even close.

Hear Casey coach recruiting DKD now.

Thanks Bear, is Gaff considered an import as I understood he was applying to be Aust Citizen.

Gaff classed as import. That's the reason Geelong seabl releases him. Didn’t want him to take up their second import spot. Wanted him as citizen but his citizenship fell through.

I don't think people are saying SEABL would be a D league, but the fact that guys like Adnam, Moller, Sobey and alike are being recognised at that level suggests that maybe it can serve as a stepping stone for some. I think people are just saying SEABL could be a winter league at National level if it expanded but it needs to go one way or the other. I think if it stays as it is the cost of travel will always be a problem. Makes it an expensive league for only a few teams not in Vic.

And Ballarat Miners

SEABL at Ballarat

Seabl also gives opportunity for imports like Evans junior at Cairns. It is an excellent comp for the winter months when no Nbl and catures for more players. Hopefully one or two seabl teams can soon get Nbl teams as well, Hobart and possibly Geelong.

Has page from dandenong signed with Casey?

southern Joe ... 18/1 s with a possible VC club any day

Southern Joe would you not do both like most other DP !!

You can be at two different clubs.
Play VC at one and then Big V at another.

More details Joe

Strange question on this thread. VJBL going into phase 2 of grading so your son has not made an U18 side for this season. Other option may be new club and VJBL U21 as this has not started. DP players train only and then sit on the bench so your son may be better playing Friday nights, no rush to make YL.

Predictions on teams that make playoffs in each division?

Latrobe City lost to pakenham 90-88 in preseason match few weeks ago.

Latrobe minus their imports ?
Who did they have running around ?

LAtrobe had both imports in the loss.

^^^anon

Hawthorn SCM beat Keilor SCM.

SCM is still a very good comp!

Obviously SEABL adding Melbourne and DV the last few years has diluted the available talent a little. But all in all still very good.

Big V need to be careful they dont lose any more teams to SEABL as that will impact the standard.

Big V is yawn! Terrible Terrible league, poorly run talentless boring shit.

Any thoughts or ideas on who will make up the all star 5 in each division?

Any clear MVP picks?