http://www.hoops.com.au/forum/42121-why-isnt-cody-ellis-getting-minutes/

Why the sympathy for Cody but not for every other teams 11th man?

Because Cody's being held off the court by management contrary to the wishes of the head coach?

There's similar outrage on Garlepp's behalf in Sydney.

Garlepp isn't 11th man though

they are/were deliberately trying to use this as leverage to get him to leave without paying out his contract.

In the modern era, I wonder if some new age lawyer could run a work place bullying suit against the Hawks owners. Would hardly be comfortable to have them sitting on the bench next to you during a game.

If Ellis is being held out against the wishes of the coach, then the coach is pretty weak. Grow a pair and play who you want to play.

What did Ellis do?

"In the modern era, I wonder if some new age lawyer could run a work place bullying suit against the Hawks owners. Would hardly be comfortable to have them sitting on the bench next to you during a game."

Having just been forced to sit through a mandatory hour-long training session on this topic, it's a good point actually. It's an interesting situation in a professional sporting team... Trying to think of other examples, but the only one that comes to mind is that Miami Dolphins lineman a few years back.

What did Ellis do?

the nothing to see is Cody Ellis playing basketball

If Ellis is being held out against the wishes of the coach, then the coach is pretty weak. Grow a pair and play who you want to play.

Exactly Bevo's in the second year (I think) of a 4 year contract he'd be crazy to walk away from that over Cody Ellis.

It's not like the owner is demanding he not play Rotnei Clarke or something. You're not going to die in a ditch over him walk away from that financial security along with having a settled family in the hope of getting another gig somwhere else keeping in mind there would only be 6 other options for him too.

There wouldn't even be that many. Henare, Wright, and Gleeson would be safe. Gaze probably is as well, even if he shouldn't be. Fearne's got the Cairns job as long as he wants it although reports have him looking elsewhere for next year. I doubt Brisbane would get rid of the national coach.

So it comes down to whether JVG can be talked out of the Gaze experiment, whether Fearne wants to go elsewhere, and how long Vickerman is signed for. And in the Sydney case Bevo would be going from the frying pan to the fire.

Or you stay in a job where you're supposed to be the leader yet won't stand by your convictions for the good of the team. Not setting a good example. In essence he's not the coach now, given he doesn't have any say over who he plays. As I said, very weak - particularly in the leadership side of things.

And of course it's all conjecture given we don't even know if any of the Ellis stuff is even true.

Hawks fans should chant Cody's name during the game. If for nothing else show Cody that he is still valued and respected by the fans (the ones who matter), and in the same breath becomes an 'up yours' to the ownership.

Points splits don't matter.

Garlepp situation does not create a good culture for the Kings

Or you stay in a job where you're supposed to be the leader yet won't stand by your convictions for the good of the team.

But it comes down to who calls the shots on the court and that should always be the coach's domain.

If you're not preapared to stand up for your 10th man it sends a message to the rest of your team you will pick and choose who you fight for. Not a good look, particularly if that player hasn't done anything to warrant it and you actually do want to play him. It's got to be one-in, all-in.

So we honestly think he'd get fired for playing a rostered player? Madness. That would absolutely be a lawsuit waiting to happen.

But it comes down to who calls the shots on the court and that should always be the coach's domain.

Jase, funny how this gets started, we had a number of strategies in preseason one to start Rot, other was to get more consistent minutes and longer stints to starters. At 0-3 coaches put those in place, since then gone 4-2 so continuing, nothing 4ever things always change in ball

— James Spenceley (@JamesSpenceley) November 12, 2017

So do we think its pretty clear the Hawks won't re-sign him?

For the past two seasons he's been playing for his Dad in the SBL, and is a very good SBL level player, without being extraordinary. It seems he has made his home here with his wife and kid.

I keep hearing the rumour that he'll join the Cats as a training player???