koberulz
Years ago
Could Illawarra beat the 1988 Supercats?
I don't understand how this team made a grand final.
koberulz
Years ago
I don't understand how this team made a grand final.
SteveK2
Years ago
I think there's a name for it... pulled a Bradbury?
koberulz
Years ago
Conger and Johnson in for Harris and Holyfield were the only changes, and they ought to be upgrades.
LoveBroker
Years ago
I am at a lost to explain the Hawks.
Hawks made last year's GF with Rotnei, Marvelle and Micheal Holyfield.
Clarke, Conger and Johnson is a significant upgrade from last year.
I am willing to overlook the Hawk's poor record given their schedule to date (twice in Perth).
However this is hard to overlook.
Overall the league has improved, so just because the Hawks have improved doesn't mean they are better than the rest. But the Hawks should have been able to take advantage of the big man imbalance.
Ogilvy with the near triple double. 21 points, 11 rebounds and 9 turnovers.
Just turning the knife on how much the 36ers truly choked last season. Hawks aren't that good now and weren’t last season either but sport is a unique beast.
The useless pricks couldn't beat a drum at the moment.
"Hawks made last year's GF with Rotnei, Marvelle and Micheal Holyfield."
Yes but they started 2-5 and looked very clunky until it clicked into gear. They look similarly clunky at the moment, so there is huge room for improvement.
Bevo's system looks like clockwork when it's run properly, and they're nowhere near that yet.
Whether they can repeat last year's magic I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure they'll be playing much better basketball before too long.
Everyone remembers them making the Grand Final.
They were one loss away from not qualifying for the playoffs.
Then they draw Sixers who had Randle go off the boil completely in that Game 2 after talking trash before the game. In that Game 2 Randle was selfish beyong belief. Hawks had the perfect opponent who couldn't recover.
They were horrible in the Grand Final vs. Wildcats.
They aren't that good but people sometimes are too results oriented. There were the Sixers and Wildcats then daylight between everyone else. Shame Sixers didn't make it as they matched up well against the Cats.
Seriously. Does anyone care both teams are a basketcase.
It's the bottom Vs bottom.
Jumpshot
Years ago
Kings didn't win. Hawks got robbed by the Refs: Kendall grabbed leg of Johnson = 4 points, then Norton's continuation = 2 points at regular time.
Swat would have beers @1/2 time That's how bad they were and the OP never hasn't got a clue.
LoveBroker
Years ago
Speaking of beers. I miss the old guy that shared his beer with Marcus Thornton.
Luuuc
Years ago
The way their crowds are going, Illawarra can barely afford to keep evicting people like him anymore
Matt
Years ago
Sack Bevo and drop the good bloke stuff there not winning..
That old dude was paying homage to the beer drops at the old Snakepit and was trying to continue the tradition. Respect. The '88 Supercats no doubt got drenched.
Let's not forget that the Hawks were a free throw away from winning today. They're not far away from it.
koberulz
Years ago
They're not far away from beating Sydney, possibly the least impressive feat in NBL history.
Isaac
Years ago
They aren't that good but people sometimes are too results oriented.Aren't that good, but were good enough to finish ahead of every team but one last season?
Hespect
Years ago
A big part of the Hawks problems so far this season is that they have the worst offense in the league at the moment and the 2nd worst defense. They also turn the ball over too much.
"They were one loss away from not qualifying for the playoffs."
They also had as many wins as any team not named Adelaide.
"They were horrible in the Grand Final vs. Wildcats."
Did you watch the series? They were in with a chance to win every game but just weren't quite good enough.
"Then they draw Sixers who had Randle go off the boil completely in that Game 2 after talking trash before the game. In that Game 2 Randle was selfish beyong belief."
Didn't they beat the 36ers 5-2 over the whole season? And didn't they restrict Randle in most of those games? They were just better in that match-up.
They were a 15-13 team. They got into the playoffs by being slightly better than the mid-tier pack of Breakers/United/Kings.
Last season Sixers and Wildcats once they got Cotton/got over injuries were the clear top two. The rest were very average - Taipans/Hawks/Breakers/United/Kings - one of those two were going to the playoffs as the best of a bad bunch.
Once you realise this it's not surprise they aren't doing anything special this season.
And yes they matched up well against the Sixers, so the combination of that plus Randle losing it completely got the Hawks into the Grand Final. They had their perfect opponent in the semi whose star lost his composure. Everything fell into place.
Let's not get too carried away. Remember that amongst the Hawks first few games were two trips to Perth - they never win those games when Perth are at full strength.
Then the loss yesterday was very unlucky - if Ogilvy would've dropped that last free throw then no one would've said a word!
And let's not get too carried away about Conger being a big upgrade. He can score yes, but is he a winning player?
Yeah still scratching my head on why everyone was hyping up Conger at the beginning of the season on here. So many scouts on here... rofl.
koberulz
Years ago
Then the loss yesterday was very unlucky - if Ogilvy would've dropped that last free throw then no one would've said a word!Really? Even when they had a reasonable buffer midway through the fourth I was planning a 'letting Sydney get that close is reason for concern' post (when also taking into account their absolute demolition by Perth and losing to Sydney earlier in the year).
paul
Years ago
"Last season Sixers and Wildcats once they got Cotton/got over injuries were the clear top two."
What a recreation of history. Heading into the playoffs Perth were 7-4 with Cotton and four of those wins were against Sydney and Brisbane.
Against the top five they were 1-4 with Cotton in the lineup in the regular season, hardly a clear top two team.
The reality is Illawarra were in the top four something like 13 of 19 rounds last season and thoroughly deserved their spot.
Fact is an average bunch of Hawks/Taipans/Breakers/Utd/Kings were all a one game swing around from either making or not making the playoffs. An incredibly average bunch with two making it.
NBL going backwards. Talent less and crowds less. Worrying times. Back to back games simply because of poor scheduling and not enough teams.
LV
Years ago
Imagine Ogilvy hit the free throw, Loughton didn't play the most inspirational game of his career to drop the Hawks by a solitary point.....
Hawks would be 3-3 after 4 road games including 2 trips to Perth.
1-5 seems a long way back but things can change quickly
LV are you a professional excuse maker? You're really good at it!
paul
Years ago
"Fact is an average bunch of Hawks/Taipans/Breakers/Utd/Kings were all a one game swing around from either making or not making the playoffs. An incredibly average bunch with two making."
I'm not sure you can say anything about facts when you call Perth a clear top two team with Cotton yet it turns out they were 1-4 against the top five teams leading into the playoffs. Seems like you're making it up as you go.
Fact is Illawarra moved into the top four with 11 rounds to go and stayed there, the earliest of any of the playoff teams.
So? Stop cherry picking which wins count. Cats went 7-4 to end the season no matter how you spin it.
Since paul chose to use the 7-4 record...
For the second half of the season 36ers and Wildcats were #1 and #2 on the ladder in W-L, once Perth got over their injuries.
Bear
Years ago
Oi, Supercats of 1988 are a bit long in the tooth, leave them be............ :)
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