2 alternatives actually. I've seen both terms in reasonably reputable publications ( broadsheet newspapers, published academic works, textbooks)

Language is fluid, acronyms doubly so.

https://www.acronymfinder.com/Australian-Eastern-Daylight-Saving-Time-(AEDST).html

Big test for rookie head coach Dean Vickerman, according to the commentary.

Apparently there was a different Dean Vickerman who coached the Breakers to two grand finals and a championship.

Plenty of empty seats still available... if you're just driving around.

Still plenty of good seats available...if you're just drivin' around.

Can Ware and Goulding both flourish in Melbourne's offense?

Looks like there’s just not enough ball to go around.

Useless assholes United

Which ref's missus did Casper hit on!?

Why the hell is this home town reffing happening all the time, when United got zero favours at Hisense last week?

Good to see someone other than Prather or Boone actually do something here

Agreed. Foul on te rangi was rubbish

But gosh, United needs the next 6 calls going their way THEN the ledger might be near even

These referees are straight-up deplorable

Te Rangi almost single-handedly keeping Melbourne in the game...

Re: Te Rangi foul.

You used to have to allow a footstep in that situation. Not sure of rule now. Anyone know for sure?

Re: Te Rangi foul

He allowed about 5 metres

Good to see Super Kyle is back

Prather has earnt every dollar lately. United would be screwed without him at both ends right now

But United needs Casper and CG to start playing like Casper And CG, otherwise those screaming "overrated!" Will be correct

And nice to see Holt hitting a few shots early too

Bris definitely did a good job scouting a Craig replacement in Buford.

United is better without Goulding

Brisbane running the clock a little early in this one, based on that possession....

Lol @ anons who think hoops is top of my priority list

Is Prather about to save this?

United with momentum and Prather gets 2 questionable calls

Game still alive though.

Meh

2-3 after this first 5 fixture isn't bad at all

Wow, wasn't expecting this

Yikes. Goulding took too long to get rid of that ball, but that was almost like the Hayward shot in the Duke-Butler final.

Casey again saying Wesley won a title under Lemanis in 2015. Stillnnot true.

Wow

Goulding & Casper ineffective and lose on the buzzer. On the road

Lol @ the haters

Still I think United's comparative talent advantage has been oversold

Brisbane is a team who no one rated. Yet Trice Holt Buford is a strong import group. And a bench featuring players like Gibson. They're deep and well coached. I like where the NBL is at

Demopolous tried to sub out a player who was already on the bench.

Have to cut Vickerman some slack, this is his first season as an NBL head coach...

Vickerman should look at what Brisbane did with Holt tonight in the early 1st Q and try do the same with Ware going forward. Ware is the most important guy on that Melbourne roster, and when he's engaged and making plays with either the pass or the shot that's when Melbourne are at their best.

Ware is probably their most important, but that doesn't translate to him being the best. It just means that he's inconsistent. Bit of a shame.

Casey is just about the best player in the NBL

Yeah I still rate Casey as the best in the league until someone proves otherwise

Casey is their best player (probably), but he's going to get his numbers regardless - it's great to have a guy who can just generate points from nothing like Prather, but if Ware is attacking and finding guys it's bumping up everyone's numbers. His shot might be inconsistent, but I don't think he's actually got the ball in his hands looking to create enough in the halfcourt.

Homicide would rank Prather as 6th best sf in league

Everyone is talking about United. And some valid points made.

But give Bris some credit.

Holt and Kickert 2 key starters from United's minor premier team of 2015/16. Holt has played in Spain subsequently.

Trice is top shelf import material. Buford is an athlete who can score. Gibbo is long time Fringe Boomer who defends well and plays both guard spots.

Then add a bunch of role players who have proven themselves in the league over varying periods - all 5 years + or thereabouts in the NBL system - Jervis, Petrie, Young, Bruce and Te Rangi

Lemanis coaching.

Holt was hitting today but they had a range of contributors. If this team is a widespread pick for 6th-8th then it tells you how strong this league is.

Ok saying Te Rangi is "proven" is a stretch but he's their 10th man.

Also, I think Casper seduced many of us last season

He was clearly suited to Demopoulos system, which can be summarised as "aiiiigght! Let's shoot some threes boys. Aiggght!"

Casper thrived with the freedom to let fly

But he won't necessarily average 20+ again under a different coach.

He does need to learn to play a slightly different role with Prather alongside him.

LV.

Please cut the BS and go back to studying the video to see where the refs ripped off Melbourne.

This giving of due credit for an opposition win just isn't you.

Lovebroker, easy, run the tape on either of Caspers fouls. Or his turnover on the sideline running into Mitch Young's hip check. Then look at some of the fouls called on United's bigs in comparison.

Only 15 fouls on Bris?

But- bad calls are a part of the game. It wasn't anything like the egrerious mess we witnessed in Perth last week. United must learn to deal with it. Boone lost it, Goulding lost it. Too much remonstrating, not enough good basketball.

I don't see major flaws with United right now. They aren't playing well, obviously, but as has been noted from the beginning, they don't have great depth compared to most of the other teams. United does, however, have 4 stars on their roster. Problem is, only 2 of them are playing like it.

Lv, pay Brisbane credit they have two starters from mulebournes minor premeriship side... ffs

Interesting form of credit. Still can't acknowledge United got beat by Perth

I haven't criticized the team? Huh? You are taking the piss, obviously? Or just not paying attention?

Do you mean, team make up or individual performances?

I can't keep up, 3 weeks ago everyone was worshipping the ground United was walking on, now United are apparently shithouse cos they lost 3 in a row - including 2 road games, one 5 point loss vs defending champs with some "interesting" reffing, and another on the buzzer.

I look forward to the next about face from the hoops experts.

Correction it was only 2 weeks ago that United smashed Adelaide and everyone thought they were freaking awesome

Now they're a basketcase

That happened fast!

"Lovebroker, easy, run the tape..."

See LV...it's not that hard, just let the real you free. Welcome back.

"Then look at some of the fouls called on United's bigs in comparison. "

Oh...would you mind telling me at what second and minute of which quarter these things happened? I know you've already studied the tape, don't hold back now.

"It wasn't anything like the egrerious mess we witnessed in Perth last week."

Annnnd the return is complete with the Perth rant.

I think possibly the fact Melbourne complain about every call creates an illusion they are being hard done by? Reffing was ok last night, the usual bad calls here and there but players decided the game.

When Vickerman first took over NZ they became a foul fest, similar thing here. Every other team is averaging 18-22 fouls and United at 26, they need to adjust.

Out of interest, in 2013/14 when Vickerman took over NZ, by the end of the season every other team averaged between 17-21 fouls per game and NZ were 25.

Interesting stats Paul.

They need to attack the hoop more too. Only Prather and Adnam shot free throws yesterday. Casper needs to be more aggressive and drive it to the basket when the jumper isn't falling

Every game this season United has had less FT attempts than opposition and is averaging 10-15 less per game

There could be a number of different reasons why. But perhaps parr of it is needing to adjust to the way the game is being called, creating options that attack the hoop instead of settling for jumpers

I'm with Paul (& LV a little).

United every season seem to believe in the hype too much and strut around as though they should be a protected species. Goulding especially seems to blame the refs for when he gets caught out by his poor D, or when he takes a dumb shot. I hope that Vickerman can get them to learn to do the hard yards and STFU when they don't agree with the reffing.

I agree they should drive into the key more, but the reffing these days allows so much contact that I'd call reckless or even nasty that I'd be scared to leave the ground in the key except for a dunk. (There was another thread which suggested that in the US they care a lot more about how they foul, whereas over here too many don't seem to care about how badly they could injure other players.) I still can't accept that a guy going for a layup can get taken out and sent into the spectators LEGALLY!!!

One issue I have with their offence is that it doesn't enough fast ball or player movement or space to get enough players 1on1s. We know that Prather (and Wesley and Ware and Adnam) can create baskets out of nothing, but too many others seem to need to be set up these days. Watching Unite(d) setting and using their screens so slowly is excruciating, especially when then involve Andersen.

I got the impression of Gibson being a great spark off the bench . Came on twice and helped Brisbane get 2 big lead , passing and driving etc... While Melbourne caught up twice when he went off ..Most likely best I have seen him for a while..

2 big leadS

Agree with Camel31... I think Gibson looks more motivated than he's been the past couple of years. He fades away into the background when he's being used off the ball next to an import 1, and I think Bris using him at the 1 off the bench is doing wonders for him.

No Boomers in the off-season, got to have a proper rest and get his body right for the first time in a while and looks good.

A couple of years ago I thought AJ Ogilvy was the best big man in the NBL.....

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