Matt
Years ago

USA vs Rest of the world game

Who would win.

Best US-12 vs best ROW-12? All based on current players e.g. the best 12 past two-seasons 2015-17 are eligible for selection. Maybe Delly might make it.

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Years ago

Whichever team has lebron durant Leonard harden and Westbrook on it

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Anonymous  
Years ago

goofy question

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Melbourne Boy  
Years ago

I think you answer your own "who would win" question by saying Delly might make it.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Years ago

"I think you answer your own "who would win" question by saying Delly might make it.
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Well Australia was a brain fart from beating Team USA with Delly as our starting point guard. I don't think it is as simple as looking on paper, seeing the line up and deciding. USA would likely win but not without a fight I wouldn't think.

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XY  
Years ago

The Rest of World could field one highly competitive team per five teams made solely of US players. And the pure talent of the best US team clearly overwhelms the very best OS squad. That said, it then comes down to play style and familiarity and team cohesion such that you could expect closer games than most would think. US to win 90% of games played if they have their most highly cohesive squad.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

A team comprising of Embiid, Simmons, Porzingis, Antetokounmpo, Gobert, M Gasol, Jokic, Wiggins, Rubio, Tragic, Schroeder to name a few would go reasonably well at the moment. Going back a few years Nowitzki, Parker, Yao would've all added a lot to the team. To say the US team would win 90% of their matches v this lineup is an overestimation as the gap between the US and the world has been closed over the past two decades

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Melbourne Boy  
Years ago

Davis
Lebron
Durant
Leonard
Harden

Cousins
Draymond
George
Thompson
Westbrook


I'd take that team to win at least 9 out of 10 games against an all time world team let alone the current one, how the hell do you guard that team, and good luck getting buckets with those guys switching on d.

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Melbourne Boy  
Years ago

Davis
Draymond
Durant
Leonard
Lebron

Haha, actually think about running an offense against that 5 as a death lineup!

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Cram  
Years ago

There has been periods in the past when a team of the best of the rest looks good next to team USA. Now is not one of those times. Having said that, I think we'll be getting closer again soon. There are some good young international players and if they reach their full realistic potential, a team of internationals in the next 3 or 4 years could look really good.

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ME (he/kangaroo)  
Years ago

Obviously USA is still leaps and bounds ahead of any other country in basketball, and the question for me is why hasn't the world caught up in any meaningful way? Yes, in the right situation an international team can beat them but there is no nation that is even close to pumping out the talent that the USA does in any given year. Does it all come down to the mix of black athleticism plus American coaching and know-how or is there more to it?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's an American sport. We're playing one of their traditional games which they started in 1891.

So yes it is a mix of athleticism and know how.

Athleticism alone gets you nowehere - FIBA Africa is trash.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You'd have to argue though that the european game is more of a skilful and finesse style v the american athleticism styled game that the nba runs now. Rarely do players excel in both Fiba rules and the nba. Team USA just overwhelms teams using athleticism not actual skill

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That is true.

It will be interesting to see as the decades go by the gap close down further.

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Cram  
Years ago

Its more than just superior athleticism, though thats clearly a huge part of it. They clearly have the athletes most suited to basketball in the world, but they also have the knowledge and vigorous competition that moulds those raw talents into stars, as well as a love of the game that has kids developing their instincts from such a young age.

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koberulz  
Years ago

They have a massive population to choose from and lots of money to pour into developing them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

it's the same as india and cricket

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Anon  
Years ago

Actually the USA has a smaller selection of available competitions in junior ranks than Australia do, what they have is a bigger pool to choose from, they don't have competitions like VJBL, it's all school based, nor do they have the large basketball complexs like Australia has, but what they have is huge financial support through their college system, amazing facilities that cater for the very elite athlete and a life style that's above average fir most USA kids, all this means kids want to do well in high school to get a free education so they dedicate themselves to just the one sport, most Aussie kids play several sports till mid to late high school years, their is no incentive really for Aussie kids to really devote themselves to a sport like basketball, we don't have the amount of universities USA do even if they did have the same scholastic incentives on offer.
So it stands to reason that they are going to produce a much larger volume of good athletes.
However once they leave the college system only the very elite get to continue, where as in Australia you can continue to play the sport for many years after 23, might not be in the NBL/WNBL but the completion is still available.

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Matt  
Years ago

When you think maybe Steven Adams might make it, he's impressive. Hakeem back in the day was from Nigeria, and Dikembe Mutombo from the Congo and Patrick Ewing from Jamaica. All these guys moved to US for there careers, as opposed to moving there as small children.. Patrick Ewing was 12 when he moved to US, and is still today a big cricket fan. Sabonis we know of course.

But yep in modern times, like 2015-17 as my question said, Steve Adams, Yannick Noah's son, but Spain would have some good players e.g. Marc Gasol is still good. Greece have Giannis Antetokounmpo. Some website I found put this side together from last season..
International starting 5:
G: Andrew Wiggins, Minnesota Timberwolves
G: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks
C: Rudy Gobert, Utah Jazz
F: Kristaps Porzingis, New York Knicks
F: Steven Adams, Oklahoma City Thunder

And plenty of the best club players in Europe would make NBA now anyway, some choose to stay in Europe as the money is very good..

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Matt  
Years ago

Anon

You raise a point about the college system. The NBA is now very concerned that the college guys are not "NBA ready" when they come to the draft, Adam Silver has brought this up recently.
It won't surprise me if players start going straight into the G-League and skip college as it might be a better preparation, or a few go and play overseas e.g. Terrance Fergusson..

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Anon  
Years ago

Matt, college is basically an un23 competition so the equivilant of say BigV YLC and depending on the college and conference your in with dictate the level of challenge it involves.

These kids who come from college have never played against adults, that's both the men and the women as unlike here in Australia they are not permitted to even train against older players, that includes high school. This is why they can struggle in the senior levels

Lots of hype and promotion, with big stadiums and media broadcasts makes the college system all look much better than it is in reality.

What they have though in the better colleges is usually a full roster of talent within that age group, which Australian teams generally lack, but not the maturity or experience that Aussie and European p,ayers are exposed to when involved with senior teams

However the good players here can push themselves harder if training and playing with stronger bigger bodies.

Upside of college is free education, down side is you can get lost and even left behind in the system

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes but that college system instills discipline and fundamentals. This is sorely lacking in the Austrlian system.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes and no , if a player doesn't have the self motivation to be dedicated and disciplined without having someone on their case constantly you have to question do they really want this and once out of the college system who's going to keep them on track

Plus it again will depend on the college , the top end colleges will own you 24x7 the lower levels ( div1 included) are far less demanding , kids go to have a good time
And it shows in those levels when they leave even if on paper it looks like they have been standouts in college , put them up against legit players and they pale

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