the giants again disappointing lukosius. with the season on the line.put a fork in them - they"re done.
anon
Years ago
Turner is not even MVP on his own team Bowie has won like 3 games with clutch plays by himself. Bowie is the MVP for Willo and maybe the league. However I am on bail for bottling a women is a favorite as well if it wasn't for the league turning a blind eye to his criminal record. Brian V leading the league in assists and rebounds has to put him in the convo as Slammers started terribly with out him which makes him most valuable for them as well of course none of this matters because of the stupid points system used to create an "MVP"
Roy Hobbs
Years ago
Turner kept Willo in the lead most of the game while Bowie chucked up bricks.
Bowie hit a fluke half court shot at the buzzer too.If the Ref called Benjamin for the foul he committed above the 3 point line he wouldn't have had those FT's at the end either. He was able to rest up for 5-6 minutes as there was a Time Clock issue.
Benjamin was damn impressive yesterday too. He made a ton of tough shots. Interestingly he didn't shoot a single FT, not through lack of aggressiveness either.
Hussey gave Armour and Black fits, dominated them. Ralph and Hancock stunk it up, that really hurt Gero.
Speaking of Hancock he has been underwhelming as a NBL DP coming into the league. Either that is a testament to how good the SBL really is perhaps he was a little bit over rated.
Hoppo60
Years ago
Yet he is still getting interest from NBL clubs. Maybe there's another side of him the stats don't show?
But that Willo - Buccs game was some pretty good basketball from both teams. Willo just prevailed. This league stands with some of the best around Australia.
Disagree.
I think this is one of the weaker years of SBL.
Take away your Buccs/Tigers and Redbacks (With SR) there is a big gap between the rest.
Hoppo60
Years ago
Well that's fair enough then.
I'm impartial so I get your side of it too.
Where is Armour?
Is Atkinson for Lakeside injured?
Once again. No redhage. No redbacks. Pretty clear right now. Struggling to beat subpar lower end top 8 teams.
Roy Hobbs
Years ago
Roberts doesn't seem to have his usual explosiveness, I'd not be surprised if he's carrying an injury.
Without Redhage Perth have a tougher time of scoring. Nelson can get a good shot for himself or others, but the rest of the Team struggle to.
Today they were completely out-rebounded, Stirling took them to town there. It also didn't help that they lost focus and concentrated on the refs instead of their own performance.
I don't know if that is meant to be an insult to the Redbacks by the anons above.. Take the leagues best scorer out of most of the SBL teams and they will probably not be as good.
Especially a team like the Redbacks that don't have a lot of depth at the 4/5 position.
Redbacks cant really afford to drop too many more, you really want to avoid the quarter final match up with Tigers/Buccs.
Biased Adviser
Years ago
Lako needs to put his ego aside and stop running plays based on pay checks. Put Nelson and Roberts in pick and rolls until someones eyes bleed.
I do not think it is meant to be an insult but it does represent their complete lack of talent pool and coaching considering one players abscence should not mean a team cannot win a game. You are only as good as your last player on the bench. Championship teams survive and win games even when the leading scorer is out.
"You are only as good as your last player on the bench. Championship teams survive and win games even when the leading scorer is out"
Bryce Cotton somewhere just fell off his chair lol. The Cats were killing it before he came in...
It hasn't just been Redhage that has been missing for the redbacks though. Also got to remember Vigor, Mawein, Wagner, Bowen, and Chappel all have missed and all have started a number of games previously. That's a considerable amount of depth lost.
To go down in close games to top 8 teams should actually prove how deep they are, to do so without the (likely) league MVP and 5 other players who have all started earlier in season. Not many other teams would be able to fill that hole.
Roy Hobbs
Years ago
Sorry but Mawein is a rookie and his contributions tailed off as Teams got to see him.
Jack Wagner was barely getting off the bench the last Month or so, that's a stretch for him too.
Chappell? C'mon now, see Wagner and cut/paste. He was a Starter in name only, definitely not production.
Bowen played well but was always leaving. His minutes were also cut dramatically when Vigor/Roberts returned.
There's no way they all could've played big minutes and seen the ball.
Redhage is the missing link, he covers up a lot of mistakes and deficiencies. Without him they don't go far.
koberulz
Years ago
Bowen played well but was always leaving. His minutes were also cut dramatically when Vigor/Roberts returned.His minutes being cut for Vigor and Roberts isn't much of an argument against how helpful it would be to have him with Vigor and Redhage away.
Redhage, Vigor, Roberts, Nelson, Bowen, Viskovich, Stone, and Wagner have all missed significant chunks of the season. There was also Loughton coming in for a small stint. Smith missed the first couple of weeks. That's nine guys with predictable absences, not including Loughton...they're lucky they've been relatively injury-free, but the chopping and changing really can't be helping anyone.
its a pointless argument , nic knows that this was going to happen and is trying to manage it best he can at the minute.
teams that flirt with this approach are always open to copping some flack and losing ladder positions, which can be costly no doubt.
at the end of the day you have to beat everyone to take the title despite your finishing postion.
is geraldtons home court as feared as it once was?
have suffered a few losses already and most notably against the magic last week. I would be more worried about playing the s/w slammers in bunbury at the minute or wolves at Joondalup.
maybe the SBL should look at changing the finals format to stop sides just falling into the finals due to players coming and going as they wish. maybe a top 6 for men/women.
the womens comp is the same at the moment with willo-
Coach K
Years ago
Whats the rule behind qualification for finals, how many games for? Will Harrelson be eligible for slammers?
Buccs have 4 losses. 2 of those came against Lakeside and Mandurah at home so either they took those games lightly or they have major weaknesses.
Roy Hobbs
Years ago
How does Bowen play those minutes when he is in Canberra?
Anon
Years ago
You have to play 9 games to qualify for playoffs, so Harrelson won't play in the finals unless the Slammers have done some dodgy deal and put him on the SBL Injury List a month or so ago.
Rosenbergi
Years ago
I heard Harrelson has been on the injured reserve so will be able to play finals. I guess we'll all know if this is true in a couple of weeks.
What happened to his coaching gig in Texas Waylen?
It helps their depth a fair bit but I don't think it makes them more than 5-10% better. He doesn't look like he expected to be playing and not in great shape. Still a high IQ player but nothing like he used to be.
koberulz
Years ago
How does Bowen play those minutes when he is in Canberra?Is this a response to me? Because my point was that having him available to take those minutes would help cover for the absence of Redhage and Vigor, thus his also being away hurts further.
Roy Hobbs
Years ago
Yes it is KR, Bowen was not going to be available for the time Vigor and Redhage are away. The Redbacks knew this. Thus that line of thought is irrelevant.
On the Harrelson front, it would be VERY dodgy if he was on the Injury Reserve while not even being in Australia.
koberulz
Years ago
What they knew is irrelevant to how helpful Bowen would be if he were available.
Roy Hobbs
Years ago
Michael Jordan would be helpful too, but he's not walking through the door either.
Some interesting and sad news on Giants facebook page just out now
Anonymous
Years ago
Im sorry sad?! Sad that he got caught drunk driving and nearly killed people, now has to serve jail time because of it. No, in no way is that sad. What's sad is we don't see the seriousness in his reckless actions. Drink Driving is a personal choice, often a bad one. Now he had eight months to think about that choice and I'm sure those close to him will now not do the same either.
Sounds like you are commenting without a lot of facts ^
What facts doesnt he have that change his post? Facts or no facts, drink driving is f***ing stupid.
The Blurb
Years ago
Looking like a spectacular finish to the SBL season with 3 rounds left.
Willetton and Geraldton fighting for 1 and 2.
Joondalup would appear firm at 3.
Southwest, Stirling, Cockburn, Perth slugging it out for 4, 5, 6, 7.
While Rockingham are still a dark horse if they can claim their last 3 games to pip Perry Lakes for the final seed.
After this round (when the combinations are little more user friendly) hopefully Lukosius can do one of his famous "run homes".
Anon798 yes he did, one victim had brain injuries and can never work again
Link to the article is here; https://thewest.com.au/news/kalgoorlie-miner/basketballer-sent-to-jail-over-drunken-car-collision-ng-b88534736z
http://www.goldfieldsgiants.com/team/tierney-miles/
I think it should be noted this happened back in 2015 when he was living in Perth and not involved with the Giants.
Since his return to Kalgoorlie, they have since worked hard with him getting him back on the right path and he's basically turned his life around from what he was becoming.
This judgement is all part of the process and it's unfortunate others were hurt for him to finally see the light.
Redbacks $2.50 (With SR)
Tigers $2.80
Buccs $3.50
Wolves $7.00
Slammers $11.00
Hawks $15.00
Cougars $21.00
Senators $25.00
Redbacks $31.00 (w/o SR)
whens malpass and Kelly back and do we have a market for the wsbl?
Great coaching by Lakovic getting the two wins on the weekend.
Whats the secret?
Lukosius
Years ago
The men's "run home' as someone called it.....
Current standings:
19-4 Tigers
18-6 Wolves
17-6 Buccs
14-9 Senators
14-10 Redbacks
13-10 Slammers
13-10 Cougars
12-11 Hawks
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10-14 Flames
10-14 Lightning
8-16 Eagles
6-17 Giants
6-18 Eastern Suns
4-19 Magic
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The teams can be grouped into three categories.....
(1) The top 7 teams have made the playoffs:
Tigers
Wolves
Buccs
Senators
Redbacks
Slammers
Cougars
(2) Battling for 8th spot:
Hawks
Flames
Lightning
(3) See you next year:
Eagles
Giants
Eastern Suns
Magic
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Where can they all finish:
TIGERS - 1st to 3rd
Most likely: 1st (22-4)
WOLVES - 1st to 3rd
Most likely: 3rd (19-7)
BUCCS - 1st to 4th
Most likely: 2nd (19-7)
SENATORS - 3rd to 8th
Most likely: 5th (16-10)
REDBACKS - 4th to 8th
Most likely: 4th (16-10)
SLAMMERS - 4th to 8th
Most likely: 7th (14-12)
COUGARS - 4th to 8th
Most likely: 6th (15-11)
HAWKS - 4th to 9th
Most likely: 8th (14-12)
FLAMES - 8th to 10th
Most likely: 9th (12-14)
LIGHTNING - 8th to 10th
Most likely: 10th (10-16)
EAGLES - 11th to 12th
Most likely: 11th (8-18)
GIANTS - 11th to 14th
Most likely: 12th (7-19)
EASTERN SUNS - 12th to 14th
Most likely: 13th (6-20)
MAGIC - 12th to 14th
Most likely: 14th (4-22)
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The battle for the last playoff spot:
HAWKS:
Only have to win one more game to secure the last playoff spot. They have the Slammers (home), Lightning (away) and Buccs (away) to go, so you would think they are a good chance. But even if they lost all three, the Flames and/or Lightning would have to win all of their games to pass the Hawks.
FLAMES:
To make the playoffs the Flames need to win both of their remaining games (Suns at home, Giants away) and hope that the Hawks lose all of their remaining three games. Definitely a possibility but a tough ask.
LIGHTNING:
To make the playoffs the Lightning need to (1) win both of their remaining games (Hawks & Tigers, both at home), (2) hope that the Hawks lose all of their remaining games, and (3) hope that the Flames lose at least one game. And to make things even harder, if they beat the Hawks, it has to be by 21 points or more.
If the Lightning beat the Hawks this weekend (and flames games go the right way)... would the Tigers consider resting players so that they play the Lightning instead of the Hawks in the first round of the playoffs? Or would they even need to rest any, is Armour away?
of course you would rather face the Lightning than the Hawks. Hawks have been rolling pretty well since they have had a full squad. A hiccup against Mandurah aside they have been playing good basketball. They are an 8th seed many wouldnt want to come up against.
It is quite clearly explained above though that both Lakeside and Hawks cannot make the finals. There is only one spot in the 8 still up for grabs.
Apologies misread what you were saying... forget the above comment.
In saying that agree 100% they are a very tough 8th match up if that eventuates.
How good are this week games going to be!
Senators V Tigers
Hawks V Slammers
Senators V Buccs
Tigers V Wolves
Cougars v Buccs
What about the performance from Shervill and Padgett on Friday night. 65 points and 30 rebounds between them.
Shervill has to be on some NBL radars?
Read on SBL article that Shervill had a college scholarship.
Slammers are done.
No Tre this weekend, Ty back to the States, Durnin and Douglas gone for the season. Their line up this weekend will not be feared
Lay
Puot
England
Voelkel
Weeden
With complete no names on the bench. They will finish 8th, Perry Lakes 7th
Lol that Slammers team is still potent. Lay has been an absolute monster for them this season. Dont count them out now. They still have enough to win every game they have left.
WTF is it with SBL. Players are constantly leaving or returning to teams. Talk about disjointed.
"What's with the SBL?"
It's a semi pro league that takes to long to get through. People have other things to do while the season is still going! Like going to college, preseason nbl, the next job etc etc
Nichols was attending one of the dozen camps run in Las Vegas during summer league. Don't confuse it with Summer League, it's just something agents do bringing players together to play games after more games trying to get "exposure". He'll be back soon enough.
SBL needs to reduce in length then. I believe SEABL are for next year.
Not enough, they don't have enough height to contend with the best
Reduce the length = more back to backs.
Also means either double headers in Gero and Kal or triple headers for those teams.
The one this teams don't want, are back to backs.
Keyboard administrators..
koberulz
Years ago
Reduce the length = more back to backs.Only if you play the same number of games.
Wow at Anon #278 thinking reduced season = still the same no. of games. Facepalm.
Anonymous
Years ago
Move the League to two conferences then.
North - Buccs / Wolves / Senators / Hawks / Eagles / Suns / Redbacks
South - Slammers / Magic / Flames / Cougars / Tigers / Lightning / Giants
19 Game Season - Play everyone in your Conference Home & Away; Play other conference once a season, alternating yearly H&A
Finals - Top 4 from each Conference
1st North vs 4th South (A)
1st South vs 4th North (B)
2nd North vs 3rd South (C)
2nd South vs 3rd North (D)
Semi Finals
Winner Series A vs Winner Series D
Winner Series B vs Winner Series C
Grand Final SERIES (Home - Away - Home)
Winner of All Star Game determines home court advantage for the Grand Finals Series
If they reduce the season why would the GF go from one game to a three game series? Another classic comment!
Anonymous
Years ago
Because the clubs who make the Grand Finals deserve to reap the financial benefits from it, not the League. Better atmosphere - Better community engagement. When was the last time Bendat was full for BOTH GRAND FINALS in the same year - NEVER. Make it more of a spectacle, make it a true test of the best teams having the chance to win the state's grandest prize on their own court.
koberulz
Years ago
When was the last time Bendat was full for BOTH GRAND FINALS in the same yearAre there any SBL venues with anywhere near the capacity of Bendat?
Only the Buccs stadium and its still only just over half the Bendat capacity. But the last few grand finals havent been complete sell outs anyway.
The main issue with a 3 game final etc is the regional teams and how that is managed.
anon
Years ago
3 games at Bendat over 2 weeks sat, sat, sunday if required ...
Anonymous
Years ago
If the Buccs or Giants got in it would still be simple to do. If they are the higher sees, games 1 & 2 played Saturday, Sunday in the first Week at their stadium. Means the lower seed then has to win to earn the right to get a game on their own court. If they're the lower seed then same set up but games one and two would be on the road for them. It would work.
As someone else has pointed out, the last few Grand Finals have not been sell outs any way.
In a somewhat separate note but still related to the subject at hand, what's the League team fee at these days? 20 - 25k? And aside from paying the referees and getting a bunch of spaldings at the start of each season, as well as contribute towards ABs salary at BWA - what do clubs ACTUALLY get for it? Leisurely can't be seen as value for money.
$25K? To me looking around I see $0 spent by the league. Apart from refs.
Coach K
Years ago
Surely it costs more to have 3 refs on each game now?
$0 spent by the league? I firmly believe they could a lot more without much more $ spending but cmon now, you are being a bit dramatic mate.
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HUDL use
Ref payments
Weekly flights for 3 refs + a coordinator to Kal and Gero
SportsTG statistics production
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koberulz
Years ago
As someone else has pointed out, the last few Grand Finals have not been sell outs any way.This is irrelevant. If Bendat is twice the capacity of the next biggest venue it onlynneeds to fill more than half the seats. Which it does, comfortably.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Brian Voelkel for MVP - absolute machine tonight v Hawks
Were you at the game? How was the young kid Vogel?
anon
Years ago
Hawks unable to overcome a very depleted Slammers. Voelkel 20+ assists.
Hawks might put too much energy into their pre game raz as it should have been Slammers who wilted in OT with just 8 players, many of whom not used to the minutes.
Anyone know the extent of Mully's knee injury last night @ Belmont?
Early reports suggest ACL.
Gotta feel for him and the Magic program if it is that serious.
Playoffs picture at this point:
1 - Tigers : Guaranteed top spot as H2H they def. Wolves
2 - Buccs or Wolves: if the Buccs win today and next week, they're auto 2nd. if the Buccs drop a game, and the Wolves lose next week, they're still 2nd. Wolves can only finish second if Buccs lose both games and Wolves def Slammers.
3 - Buccs or Wolves : see above
4, 5, 6, 7 - Redbacks, Slammers, Cougars or Senators : Any of these teams could finish 4 through 7 if I calculate correct. A Win for Redbacks next week v Eagles would guarantee 4th. After that it gets really tricky should there be a 3 or 4 way tie. Cougars def Stirling twice, Stirling def SW twice, SW def Cockburn twice.... so of figure that. Cougars will make it easy by losing today.
8 - Hawks or Flames : Lightning are out. Should Hawks lose next week and Flames win, whatever the margin, Flames are through as 8th as they have the jump on hawks via H2H.
Lightnings season is over as they lose H2H to Hawks and have lost both times to the Flames.
Thats how I read it anyway :)
Say What?
Years ago
After a massive win last night at Willeton, the Wolves will finish 2nd IF they beat Slammers as they are now a game clear of Buccs!!
Are Perry Lakes the biggest flop of the year?
With the big pre-season hype, star studded line up and the constant media attention (surely they have had more articles written about them on the SBL website than any other team?) I say YES!
Losing to SW without Tre then getting beaten by Lakeside.... what a joke. #pretenders
Hawks are consistent.
2014 -10th
2015 - 8th
2016 - 8th
2017 - 8th or 9th
Hawks have a lot better chance of impacting finals than the Flames.
So hope they make 8th.
Parsons being found out. No good vets around the team to keep them focused.
Heard Parsons was reported at the end of the Lakeside game
Parsons is a very good coach!
Dont worry about that.
I guess someone didnt watch the Hawks games this weekend.
SW game was a joke. The Hawks were in the penalty for close to 50% of the game on Friday. The refs were atrocious. You cant win games when your team is sending the opposition to the line 29 times.
The Lakeside game wasnt great, but they did make a massive run to almost win. An interesting non call on the final play of the game could have a huge bearing on the playoffs. Adekponya probably should have been shooting Fts to win that game.
Hawks playing group has some issue and holes that need to be addressed in the offseason. They lack leadership on the court, They lack composure under pressure, They have a couple of players that arent mentally tough. They need to change it up. They certainly need some veteans to provide the on court leadership that isnt coming from within the group. They need to learn how to deal with adversity. They need to trust that the systems in place will get them the results they desire.
The Hawks coaches and board have known from very early in the season about the issues. They know that there will need to be sweeping changes and hard decisions made. They know that this isnt a quick fix. Everyone involved with the Hawks organisation is going to be patient and let the group evolve.
Its almost like a whole section of this forum thread dont actually watch games. A lot of comments on issues they cant understand from looking at a box score.
Saw the Hawks Lakeside game. The final Adekponya drive and no call was the CORRECT call. Defender was vertical and straight up.
Anon
Years ago
Then why did Sam Oatman go to call a timeout? He even admitted it was a foul
Anonymous
Years ago
Not sure what kind of knowledge you have to go about saying Hawks are the biggest flop of the year?
Parsons is an excellent coach he wouldn't have achieved what he has if he wasn't. To move clubs after a championship and further develop as a coach with a club that needed a massive overhaul is a big move. These kind of changes don't happen over night
Calling timeout in case the layup went in... to advance the ball. Coaching 101
Anon
Years ago
He admitted after the game that he thought it was a foul that's why he went to call a timeout
anyone seen the video yet? To add to the Hawks Lightning controversy, a lot of talk that a 3 pointer from OSullivan in last quarter was signaled 3 by refs but only counted as a 2 by the score bench?
Video shows Adekponya jumping into a defender that is vertical. Obviously the call can go either way depending on movement of both players but it looks like a no call to be honest.
But given the way the game was called to that point in the last 5 mins you can understand Parsons being pissed.
Can't comment on the 3 being recorded as a 2 - didn't see it
Anon
Years ago
Confirmed the video shows Ryan OSullivan shoots a 3 point shot refs signal 3
Lakeside record as a 2
Parsons asks for score check no change in score
Lakeside cheats
They were up by 20 and let's keep in mind they needed to win by over 20 so that one point meant a lot to their playoff hopes
You would be nervous to be Perry lakes this week.
You can lock 8th spot but games dont come much harder (Buccs in Geraldton) even if they havent been in the greatest form.
Flames V Giants is a coin flipper.
Anonymous "Not sure what kind of knowledge you have to go about saying Hawks are the biggest flop of the year?"
Maybe the fact they have two imports plus Adekponya, the so called “best defender in the league” in Purser and the 2 x coach of the year...
Finishing 8th by the skin of their teeth is a flop!
Red 74
Years ago
Campbell was in fine form yesterday at cougs. Two techs on a buccs player meant he fouled out in about 5 mins of game time before half time!
Roy Hobbs
Years ago
I'll wager no-one is surprised at that happening once again. He did it in the Perth-EP game earlier this year too.
How does the video confirm the score bench recorded it as a 2? The scoreboard not shown on video until timeouts or half time.
Annnnnnd Sully hit his threes in the fourth, when Lakeside had no hope of winning by 20 or whatever anymore.
See SBL website - Parsons to front the tribunal.
Anon
Years ago
At 7:49 in the 4th qtr score 85-63 O'Sullivan makes a 3 point shot it's recorded as 2 points 85-65
anonymous 675, OSullivan hit the disputed 3 pointer when he came on at about 8 min to go last qtr, this was the disputed shot recorded by bench as a 2 pointer (live stats had it as 3 pts, but had to change it later to be inline with score bench) and hawks were down by 22 points prior to the shot. he hit another 3 x 3 pointers after that.
so what happens then if its clearly a mistake by the score bench? If you can see it on the video and it doesnt match what happens? Has this type of thing happened before? Surely this is a major issue as it has potential playoff implications for the Hawks.
Take your word for it, the bench must have made a mistake then! Nobody in the crowd noticed that one
Anon
Years ago
You can speak for the whole crowd?
It definitely was noticed
Perry Lakes can protest the result which I assume they will, but it needs to be proven on both sides that the error was deliberate. If it is simple human error (and nobody wants to think that the Lakeside bench have cheated) IMO its unlikely the result will be overturned. I cant recall a result ever being changed in the week after because of a scoring error, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Likely result will be Lakeside's win will stand, it will be interesting to see what comes of Parsons' tribunal result and this weeks games.
Barry Ballbag
Years ago
If the Hawks can't go into a game that really matters and not have the right attitude/mind set etc, then they don't deserve to be in the finals. Have been the same over several seasons now - in fact since the day Dennis left. An interesting challenge for the coach who has had a whole season to assess what he's got and what's needed. The Einsteins here may like to gloat over Parsons "failure" or the teams "flop" but good sustainable programs are built over a few years and need ongoing resources. The one season wonder teams that win a championship often endure hard times for a while after it eg. Eagles. Willeton.
If the scoring error is correct Parsons will be dealt with leniently. Needing to win in Geraldton to make the playoffs a suspension would be harsh
if Perry Lakes just lay down and cop the scoring mistake then they deserve to not make finals. If ever there was a time to kick up a fuss this would be it. The result directly impacts their playoff chances. Going to be an interesting few days.
Its likely a 50/50 call.
It wont go anywhere.
Refs miss a heap of calls each game, human error, what can you do!
Why were they down by about 20 late in the game against 10th place Lakeside?
cos Lakeside had scored "about" 20 points more than them at that stage, give or take a point!
Mark
Years ago
What has happened to the SBL radio podcast? Just disappeared and it would be good to discuss these issues.
They wouldn't discuss those issues, they would just talk about how good redbacka are this year.
So... the Purser family, sorry I meant to say the Hawks fans, seem a little salty today.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
dragging the Purser name through the dirt, solid.
If Hawks don't make finals, it's a Fail.
Adekponya, 2x imports and a top 10 Australian in our league. + 2x COTY.
It was a no call, Adekponya creates the contact. and the defender goes straight up. YES, th is defender brings his arms down to about a 30 degree angle, but makes NO contact with the arms, and the ball is clearly blocked.
Damage of property, albeit his own, isn't a good look, and neither is a spectator getting hit by it. Accidental or not, the U20s head coach and previous COTY should be held accountable. I don't care if Perry Lakes does represent 70% of our leagues GDP.
lol this is laughable. Perry Lakes had a period of 6-7 weeks when they had no one avail through injury. They were starting a 16 yr old kid for periods. They had 7 out of their rotation out with injury or away. Lets get some perspective here. They win one more of those games and they are a finals team. They win 2 and they may be a top 4 team.
They were playing so poorly against Lakeside they started that 16 year old kid again in the second half... with a full team available. Searching...
The best ability is availability. Excuses are worthless come finals time.
Anonymous
Years ago
Perry Lakes will become the new Joondalup in the coming years. They just made Div 1 grand final so they have young talent.If they keep purser, Cassir, smith get good imports and keep there young talent they will be very good.
technical fouls handed out to perry lakes wsbl coach on weekend vs lightning. tech fouls handed out to div 1 womens perry lakes coach on weekend.
Annon 768
lol this is laughable. Perry Lakes had a period of 6-7 weeks when they had no one avail through injury. They were starting a 16 yr old kid for periods. They had 7 out of their rotation out with injury or away. Lets get some perspective here. They win one more of those games and they are a finals team. They win 2 and they may be a top 4 team.
Yeah and if my Auntie had a set of you know what she would be my Uncle.
Campbell made the right call. The guy who got teched out is subpar anyway. Was block 3 times by Gavin Field without even leaving the ground. He makes little to no difference to the Buccs team. They were outplayed from start to finish.
Barry Ballbag
Years ago
Who's the 16yo kid starting for Perry Lakes?
I think he means Clarke and McDonald who were both 17. Both young. Hamish Warden also started a game or two and hes also 17. They had injuries in that middle part of the season which forced them to blood the young players. They will improve next year. The program is on the up. Needs some off season tuning, but its not all bad.
Anonymous106
Years ago
Clarke, Warden, Cole-heath, Hamilton all under 20. Couple of them have the ability to be very good players and add a purser get adeponia back and some imports that's scary
That's scary he reckons...
looks like the same team this year with an older Carlwell, an older Cassir, an older Purser. Adekponya is a virus, doesn't care about the team, much rather visit Brazil and Hawaii for the gram than honour his contract...
Anon
Years ago
What's the point in this forum to talk basketball or to personally trash people?
If it's the later I wonder if you would say these comments to their face, by the anonymous name I'm going to take a guess that you're just a keyboard warrior
My2cents
Years ago
Well said anon! The poster seems to spend a lot of time stalking Adekponyas photos on instagram perhaps has little crush?
Anon
Years ago
Why would you be following Adekponyas Instagram if you think he's a virus?
Get a life if you don't support the Hawks that's fine but no need to get personal
Tonight the SBL lost all credibility. Parsons off with a suspended sentence. Out of touch tribunal.
He is the reigning JG Coach of the Year
And he is the coach of the Hawks..
Is anyone surprised he is free to coach the HAWKS in a must win game?
Little H
Years ago
Seems a bit confusing to me that decision. Its like the tribunal wants a $1 each way. Want to send a message that this is unacceptable (hence the 8 weeks) but we cant upset the people from Perry Lakes so we will suspend it.
A series of charges that leads to an 8 week suspension SHOULD NOT have the whole amount suspended. There should be at least 1/3 of it served with the balance suspended.
Pandering to the squeaky wheel it seems.
8 weeks suspended sentence isnt anything to sneeze at. Thats a big term to serve if he has another issue arise. Its not like he beat someone up. He got frustrated and used bad language towards a ref. He smashed a clipboard. 8 weeks suspended for that is a pretty big punishment. Im Not sure what everyone was expecting but a suspended sentence was always gong to be the outcome.
Bigger issue is how the Hawks got cheated out of a point that would have at least put hem into OT with a chance to win and make a playoff appearance. That single mistake may end up being the difference in their season.
Ballsup
Years ago
About time the refs took some responsibility this season as well. Throughout the season I have seen coaches asking refs to explain calls and refs refuse to make eye contact or come across to see them even though it's a dead ball. I'm not condoning poor behaviour by coaches but a lot of tech fouls and incidents such as at Lakeside on the weekend would not occur if the refs reacted to defuse the situation instead of ignore or avoid the discussion. It's the difference between a well reffed game and a game that is ugly and high tension.
Clearly new to basketball or haven't put on a referee shirt...a dead ball isn't the time to explain a decision. All coaches are briefed on this pre-season. Games don't move forward when coaches like Ettridge and Parsons continuously question the referees. Literally every possession. The argument of referees ruining the game is old and to be honest quite redundant.
Let's let this one slide and concentrate on what a tantalising Finals series we have in front of us.
Assuming Tigers Wolves, Buccs and Redbacks all make it through (as we've identified them as the real contenders), Semis would be
Tigers v Redbacks and Wolves v Buccs.
GF scenarios:
Tigers v Wolves
Redbacks v Wolves
Tigers v Buccs
Redbacks v Buccs
I think the Tigers Buccs game is the only one that has the potential to blow out dramatically.
In terms of crowd sizes, you'd have to say Geraldton would bring the most people, Wolves second?
Mr Responsible
Years ago
Ballsup. Would you say the coaches actually care or value the explanation the referees provide? Sometimes opening conversation with particular coaches only leads to more issues from games i have seen.
craig Friday thrown out of game as well on weekend. coach of the year as well.
Cant see anyone beating Redbacks.
Nor should they!
Surely Lacko cant mess this up!!
Ballsup
Years ago
It works both ways between coaches and refs.
If refs don't want any interaction it's hypocritical to have the pre-game chat with the coach, asking if there's anything they want to looked at but then ignore the coach when they do ask for clarification. Maybe you're right that the coaches don't care or value the explanation, but I think acknowledgement that there's an issue is a fundamental part of conflict resolution, whether sport, personal or business.
Likewise a few coaches need to stop their constant needling at every call that goes against them and just choose the big ones that matter to query. Otherwise they become the boy who called wolf!
any discussion on awards 1- game left to determine the result.
Redhage should be the MVP but probably won't due to missing some games. Benjamin would get my vote
Coach of the year... Black
Most improved.. Shervill and its not even close
"In terms of crowd sizes, you'd have to say Geraldton would bring the most people, Wolves second?"
Are Wolves in their new stadium yet?
Can Wolves still finish first?
Wouldn't mind a Lako vs Wolves final for my own personal amusement (Wolves fan).
The Blurb
Years ago
Lochlan Cummings makes a case for most improved. Someone correct me if he's classed as a rookie, I don't know if he featured in any games with Willetton previously?
His back half of the year has been terrific and should be P.O.W. after his 41 point effort and win over the Buccs
I don't think he counts, as a returning college player.
Easther has developed well as a ref. Doesn't ref with the ego of some of the others and willing to explain his calls with confidence
Anonymous
Years ago
All refs have ego thats why you become a ref in the first place.
Voelkel probably has a stronger case for POW than Cummings
Can someone confirm if Cummings is eligible for Most Improved??
Even if they were both eligible, it would still be tight with:
Shervill averaging 16, 7 and 1.5
Cummings averaging 16, 4 and 3
Shervill hasn't been a starter all year. If he had would probably look more like 20/7
Should be 48min game.
Voelkel gets a 20/20/20 triple double.
Cummins has chance to go for 50!
Anon
Years ago
How hard will the Buccs be going on Saturday? I'm sure they would be quite happy to see PL finish eighth and give Willo or Joondalup a tough series. I doubt if the Flames would worry either now Dexter is out.
I think they would want to give themselves every chance to get 2nd, home court over the Wolves would be huge come semi final time.
Although a heavy favourite Wolves v Slammers is not a certainty.
Especially with a Slammers win will guarantee them 4th spot!
"Should be 48min game.
Voelkel gets a 20/20/20 triple double.
Cummins has chance to go for 50!"
It's because the SBL is terrible this year these players are numbers like this. Average imports, only one NBL player (and an average one at that), plus the best player in the league is a retired veteran.
Yeah I agree with that.
League is weakest it has been for some time.
Only team that is better this year then last year is Tigers, Slammers and Perth (due to Redhage).
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
"only one NBL player" I count 3 - Kernich-Drew, Redhage & Ellis
Redhage, Drew, Ellis, Wroe, Vague, Bragg
D League Naymick
Turner
Davis
Slammers duo
Benjamin (PAC12 champion)
Billups
Cmon. It isn't weak at all.
Anyone can win from 1-6 this year.
Rosenbergi
Years ago
If Bunbury win, it doesn't guarantee 4th. In order for that to happen, they need to win and Redbacks need to lose.
If games go as predicted with Cockburn defeating Kalamunda, Joondalup defeating Bunbury and Perth defeating East Perth the final 4-5-6 positions on the ladder will be Perth-Cockburn-Bunbury.
Final 8 should end up:
1 - Willo
2 - Joondalup
3 - Gero
4 - Perth
5 - Cockburn
6 - Bunbury
7 - Stirling
8 - Perry Lakes
It is damn impressive the wolves have managed to finish second. With really only 1 import
Rosenbergi
Years ago
Tigers have the head to head on Joondalup, so are guaranteed first spot.
Anonymous
Years ago
Rosenbergi why are Geraldton losing this weekend based on your ladder? They win they finish second, get home court advantage throughout the finals. Also if the Buccs do win and Rockingham win over the Giants, which is more realistic than Geraldton losing, the flames would then finish 8th.
Quarter Finals
Willetton vs Rockingham
Geraldton vs Stirling
Joondalup vs South West
Perth vs Cockburn
Are the hawks doing anything about the points mishap at lakeside? Or is it over and moved on already
anon
Years ago
Gero are a game behind wolves now. Gero only finish second if they win and wolves drop against slammers
Anonymous
Years ago
hawks protest surely must be immediately after the game via the captain signing the score sheet?
Rosenbergi
Years ago
Anon1150 - I didn't say Geraldton lose, but as the last poster stated, Joondalup need to lose and Geraldton win for the Buccs to jump to 2nd.
That's certainly not out of the question, but hard to see Joondalup losing this one with the possibility of giving up home court advantage to Gero in the semis.
As for 8th spot, you're right, the Goldfields/Rocko game will be a good one and that spells trouble for Perry Lakes if they can't knock off Gero. You've sold me on this one and I'll update my 8th spot prediction to Rocko.
No If Redbacks win. Slammers Win. Cougars win.
Slammers go 4th on head to head 3-way tie
Hawks can't do anything about the points mishap. They filed a protest but in the by laws unless it's brought to the attention with 5 play phases they can't change it. I think they tried but couldn't do anything. It's dodgy. Doesn't help when the live stats were correct and later changed to match the score card. Hawks got a rough one there, but they just have to move on and try and win on Saturday.
Wonder who Hawks blame for tonight's loss?! Never their own fault
can guarantee you they won't even care. They got through and that's all that matters.
Anon
Years ago
so anonymous you were in Geraldton watching the game?
Doesn't matter where I watched the game from.. but I did watch!
Chalk this one up to the walking ego, Kyle Easther, for a phantom call with 3 seconds left prior to the inbound. Contact (or lack of) that would occur every second possession. Day light robbery for the hawks. Lucky for them other results went their way. The reffing this year has been some of the worst I can remember and I've watched basketball at this level for 20 years ...
koberulz
Years ago
Wonder who Hawks blame for tonight's loss?! Never their own faultDidn't take long.
^ what's your point? The stream is available on the buccs facebook page... draw your own conclusion.
Notahawksfan
Years ago
After years of having every BWA decision in their favour and referees in their pockets (thanks to their close and long affiliation with the BWA office), the Hawks are certainly struggling to adjust to normality.
Suck it up!
^ That's the most uniformed comment ive read on this forum.. which says a lot because 95% of this forum is trash from people with no idea.
Again, watch the video of the last play and then comment.
Lol talk about anti climatic. I'm still struggling to see where the unsportsmanlike foul was
Anon
Years ago
Conspiracy theory time - Easther was the one to throw out Parsons in the EP debacle when he decided to channel his inner Bret Campbell. Can't remember if he was the one to T up Purser or not in the same game.
It was a regular foul call but because it was before the inbound and in the last 2 mins its an automatic unsportsmanlike. Whether there was holding or not Benjamin clearly isnt impeded. I would feel robbed if I were PL.
Perry Lakes looked like they had a fair bit of experience on their team. Almost all had played decent minutes for the MSBL side this season.
Mandurah women win ! they nearly blew an 18 pt 3/4 lead. there whole team u-21 clearly the better side. 16 yo jemma gatti niece of legend Andrew vlahov outstanding in the win.
Mandurah women win ! they nearly blew an 18 pt 3/4 lead. there whole team u-21 clearly the better side. 16 yo jemma gatti niece of legend Andrew vlahov outstanding in the win.
Decent turnout to the Div 1 final too, more than a women's WSBL GF. Also saw lots of imports out at the game, Kevin Davis, Emilee Harmon, Carly Boag, Brian Carlwell. All getting around their teams. Good games to watch, maybe should be a precursor to next years games.
Joondalup without Seb Salinas game 2 and 3 of the quarter finals. Apparently School boys or something of the sort.
"Apparently School boys or something of the sort."
What?
can someone verify for me that all the stats awards are completed ? do they keep going thru to the finals. for example does chastity reed win the scoring ave.- but she wont play finals. or can someone beat her who is involved in finals eg Stacey barr
Ballsup
Years ago
Selinas coaching State Schoolboys U18 team that goes away second week of August
Statistical awards are all regular season. The finals will not count.
Surely SBL playoffs are more important than junior coaching? What a casual "fly in fly out" league this is!
Redbacks $1.80
Tigers $3.85
Wolves $6.50
Buccs $9.00
Slammers $11.00
Cougars $15.00
Hawks $19.00
Senators $31.00
Redbacks $51.00 (Without Redhage)
Why have odds without Redhage? Is he not playing?
Mike Ellis listed as coach, Salinas as assistant Coach on schoolsportwa website for 18s coach.
http://www.schoolsportwa.com.au/interstate/basketball/
Does head to head not matter anymore? Kalamunda women finish ahead of Slammers women despite not having the head to head. One win each but Slammers winning by 30+ and Suns winning by 6 or so.
Greeny
Years ago
"Does head to head not matter anymore? Kalamunda women finish ahead of Slammers women despite not having the head to head. One win each but Slammers winning by 30+ and Suns winning by 6 or so."
Doesn't matter when they're not playing finals.
WOW+LOL @ thinking head to head seeding occurs if you don't make playoffs. The only point of adjusted positions for seeding is to be, well, "seeded" if you made the postseason tournament, not if you're out of it. Bwahahaha!
Ballsup
Years ago
Why has Oatman lost job at Lakeside? Tough gig bringing those juniors through, losing a few of them to college/COE and getting a couple of good wins late in the season despite these disruptions.
MENS AWARDS
MVP- DWAYNE BENJAMIN
MIP- COREY SHERVILL
COY- NIK LAKOVICH
WOMENS AWARDS
MVP- CARLY BOAG
MIP- CHELSEA BELCHER
COY- GLENN CLARKE.
lol how does Lako win COY. FOH Black is a sure thing
Anonymous
Years ago
Men's Most Improved - Wellsteed (Wolves)
Men's Most Valuable - Nichols (Slammers)
COY - Evans (Buccs) or Nener (Cougars)
Women's Most Improved - Miegel (Magic)
Women's Most Valuable - Burton (Hawks)
COY - Miegel (Magic)
Did Lako really win COY or was it April Fools Day four months late?
There is no way Wellsteed will win MIP over Shervill.
Welsteed Averages- 5, 3 and 2, shooting 35%FG, 23%3PT, 49%FT
With Averages last year of- 3, 2 and 1
Shervill Averages- 16, 7 and 1.5, shooting 46%FG, 37%3PT, 79%FT
With Averages last year of- 5, 3 and 1
Biased Adviser
Years ago
Mens MVP - Benjamin
Mens MIP - Nelson
COY - Black
Womens MVP - Ali Schawg
MIP - Izzy Mioti
COY - Miegel
Nelson hasn't played enough games to come into the equation compared to others like Shervill
Ha ha Nener COY Cockburn would have finished a lot higher with a decent coach. Always starts with 3 guards, even if the other team has 3 big players To busy chatting refs to coach.
Black has to be a shoe in for COY. He has taken a talented side and gelled them well enough to be top of the ladder. Lacko has simply had Redhage injected and without him, they have struggled. Black has coached Tigers without some studs at times and they have still won games.
** Nener starts three guards comment** he's doing what he thinks makes match up issues for opposing teams, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but the boys trust the system and they now have probably the best match up out of the finals run. They play Joondalup who are nowhere near as good as they have been in the past. Yes they are still in second but that are by no standard where they were a year ago.
Cougars will win that series and avoid Redbacks, Willo, Bunbury and Perry Lakes in second rounds.
Biased Adviser
Years ago
The Cougars that just lost to the Suns will beat Joondalup in a playoff series?
Give me a break.
Yep & Tigers lost to Lakeside!!
What do you think would happen if Tigers played Lakeside & Cougars played Suns in a final this week.
Would be 20+pt wins for Tigers and Cougars.
Last round for the contending teams is all about management and reducing minutes/injuries, of course players are there to win, but the intent is not what it would be with something on the line, why risk injuries when clearly there is a bigger picture.
Matt Nielsen to coach the Lakeside Lightning next year. Confirmed from reliable sources.
Apparently the Pack didn't fare too well against the Cougar who prefers to Hunt Alone in 2016. When all odds are stacked against them, the Cougar strikes. The lonely cougar who chooses to do things in their own way, rather than just follow the pack.
The Cougar seemed to have the entire pack by the jugular and never let go in 2016. Ripping the throat and voice and apparently the ability to shake hands right out from the pack. They never saw it coming.
#GREENBLOOD :P
Anonymous
Years ago
Changes at East Perth imminent.
Rookie coach in?
Cougars are going to get cock burn-ed
#WOLFPACK
:P
East Perth have been a weird team all year so that does not surprise. Kevin Davis coming off the bench most of the year??!?!
You could say the Cougars have been Cock Burn-ed from the pounding they gave the Wolves in last years grand final :P
#BLOODISREDYOUIDIOTS
Wolves will come back with a revenge pack attack this year!
anyone think that there could be some upsets in first round of MSBL?
PurePlaya
Years ago
Quarters
Joondalup 2-1
Perth 2-0
Geraldton 2-1
Willetton 2-0
Semis
Perth (vs Willetton) 2-1
Geraldton (vs Joondalup) 2-1
Grandy
Geraldton 87 Perth 81
slammers have the potential to steal a games as do the senators. I see the upset coming with stirling. they are big/mobile , will bother the buccs.
Jay Bowie a late out for tonight could change the complexion of the game.
Anon
Years ago
Which clubs/teams do you think will be searching for a new coach next year?
A Pimp Named Slickback
Years ago
No Adekponya and Walters playing with a broken hand.. Season over for Hawks ...
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
"Season over for Hawks"
Yeah, nah... No Adekponya, no worries!
A Pimp Named Slickback
Years ago
Thats just a great win by the Hawks tonight and also by the Slammers for that matter . Really has put some spice into the finals picture....
Hawks were exceptional. For a team that just scraped into the finals they looked like the No.1 seed. They were better prepared and they worked harder than the Tigers. Parson showed why he's a 2x COY.
Mike Lay has been one of the stories of the season. Out of the game for 3 years not touching a basketball, comes back in and has shown up in big time games
Great wins for Slammer and Hawks
Where is Adekponya?
Cougars only down by 3 in last minutes Could have got there. Chan out with an ankle and back next week
Seb out next week Can Cougars win both games.
Tigers had zero offence last night. Hawks scrabbled really well to get out to the 3 ball and force turnovers, where's as the Tigers were slow. I actually think Adekponya disrupts the Hawks flow when he's on the court. Feel free to disagree with me.
Anon
Years ago
Hard to beat a team of good scrabblers. They're not bad at basketball either. lol. Agree about Adekponya somewhat. I think they will need his scoring as the series goes on.
Who is everyone's pick for the title? Men and Women
Slammers for MSBL, Voelkel to put up triple double on grand final night
Lakeside for WSBL, Lord their Father to bless them with their 2nd championship
Lakeside for WSBL, Lord their Father to bless them with their 2nd championship
May He bless them with alcoholic beverages to celebrate the win.
Big win for Undermanned Hawks over Tigers!
Does Lackovic get a new contract if he is eliminated in the quarter finals with a team that should be winning it all???
can the willeton tigers women bounce back and win this w-end or not ? see sam norwood played I wouldn't have thought she was able to qualify with enough games ? injury list ? big time player who has snuck under the radar. wolves women last years minor premiers can they bounce back as well- both last years g/finalists under the pump.
This is Lakos last season regardless. He doesn't have anymore financial backing. He has already said he's going. They are also going out in the first round.
PurePlaya
Years ago
A tenure of underachieving and false promises for lackovic. Has the eighth seed ever knocked out the number one seed in the quarter finals before? Can't imagine it has happened too much. Buccs to win in two, Cougars not likely to repeat.
Tigers 8th in 2008, knocked off....you guessed it Hawks (1st).
Man, Lako keeps delivering even with a $$$ stacked lineup. You have to give it to the man - no matter what situation he is in he delivers material for us.
Hope the Redbacks lose by 20 in Eaton, have a feeling they will get both games this weekend
Anon
Years ago
Both 2016 championship winning coaches on report in the last couple of weeks same ref both games...
Ah yes, the ref was the one that made them make a total fool of themselves
Anon
Years ago
Seems the vicious penalty handed to Parsons was not much of a deterrent.
#another suspended sentence #out of touch
Anon
Years ago
Causer has stepped down as coach at the Giants. WTF?
Surely he wasn't pushed?
Next year it looks like they will have their 7th coach in the past 10 seasons.
Anonymous
Years ago
I know first hand he wasn't pushed. They were very happy with how he did all things considering. Hopefully they get someone committed to 3-5 years and get the program back to being a contender again
Anon
Years ago
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