No Burton either?

Clydesdale?

You bring oldies in snell, hurst and hodges etc but not batkovic?

Really!! that is nothing like I would have expected. Snell, Hodges, Hurst and Phillips surely are past there use by date. Develop some young players. Really disappointed that Brondello chose this path. Erin Phillips has chosen football and said that last night on radio that AFL comes first. What a joke that is for her to be in squad.

Really disappointing.

Batkovic never makes herself available for Opals except for at Olympics time. It's a fact that Boti conveniently omits when whining about her being unpopular with the selectors.

Opals HC job;

Go with youth and not perform - get criticized.

Go with the best team available - get criticized.

Anything in between - get criticized.

Surely they're not flying all those people to a camp in Phoenix?

Certainly a step backward with some of those selections. It's hard to strike a balance between youthful enthusiasm and experienced campaigners, but really? Some of those are closer to the elderly geriatric category.

Given that 4 teams will qualify (and we're a lock) there couldn't be a better opportunity to blood young players with ability and hunger instead of rewarding some WNBL non-performers who've been cluttering up the scenery for years.

Lauren Mansfield? Isn't she only playing SEABL this offseason? I would have though you'd have to be on an elite level.

I'm new, can someone sort them by position? Thanks.

On the experience front, I think it's a good mix for a camp squad.

Did Bunton do well in Europe as her WNBL form and SEABL stats this year are not impressive for someone so big

No Burton, we're doomed!

^^ probably not funny anymore

G
Hurst 5'5 pg
Mansfield 5'7 pg
Lavey 5'8 pg
Phillips 5'8 sg
Garrick 5'10 sg
Ebzery 5'10 sg
Cumming 5'11 sg
Snell 5'11 sg
Wallace 5'11 sg
F
Ohea 6'1 sf
Jarry 6'1 sf
Kunek 6'2 sf
Blicavs 6'2 sf
P
Griffin 6'2 pf
Bishop 6'3 pf
Hodges 6'3 pf
Smith 6'4 pf
Tomlinson 6'4 c
Mijovic 6'5 pf
Tolo 6'5 c
Bunton 6'5 c


No Clydesdale, Seekamp, batkovic
No WNBA Mitchell, Whitcomb, Allen, Talbot, George

I'd take a few veterans, but mostly youth.

Hurst/Mansfield/Lavey
Cumming/Wallace
Ohea/Blicavs
Griffin/Bishop/Mijovic
Tolo/Bunton

Cambage is travelling Europe to explore her DJ career so unavailable so rumour has it

Still don't understand why they employed a head coach whos not available for half the teams commitments

And Wallace and Mansfield over Clydesdale come on are they serious?

Asia cup may not be such a lock in if they stuff this up

And no Sherf!
What are they actually developing here

Good to see OHea back in the side though

Wallace would smoke most of the other sg s in that field.
Her defense is far superior to the others on that list.
Mansfield deserves a shot and lavey at least Another chance.
Clydesdale should definitely get her shot, but she did not.
would she still qualify for uni games?

Everyone else is far too slow for international basketball. Japan will absolutely carve us up even without tokashiki available.

Yes must be parent.

How far is Reid off having a shot?
Quick pint sized pg who can dish it out.

Clydesdale has performed better than Lavey recently and deserves a shot...
And I'm no goober....

No cole either? Seekamp no look in?

Wallace Ain't no pg. she filled in this year at Baylor but she's a much better off guard.

Clydesdale
http://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=196090542&client=1-3363-36751-436966-9968488

Mansfield
http://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=196111816&client=1-3363-126347-436966-16891822

Young fellas doing pretty well also.

Conti
http://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=203108077&client=1-3363-173120-436966-25827280

Rocci
http://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=199809484&client=1-3363-150604-436966-20161523

Reply #636586

Cheers, Anon

Women aren't fellas...

Adelaide women used to be a few years ago

Someone explain this. An article I read says Brondello won't participate in camp due to WNBA commitments, so why are we flying and housing this many women (plus coaches plus physio plus whatever else) to Phoenix?

This coaching appointment already has half arsed written all over it. I've been keen to watch some Phoenix Mercury games to get a grasp of Brondello's coaching and I'm not impressed. Her substitution patterns are mind boggling.

thought this camp was going to be in Aus, the inclusion of Wallace and Smith makes more sense if in Phoenix as both are USA based at college so cheaper to get them to states than two extra bodies from here.

Agree with above poster, this appointment seems crazy considering her unavailability and the fact BA have to go to this extra expense to have so many fly to Phoenix just for a selection camp, why employ someone who cannot make the national team their priority, shes not doing this for free thats guaranteed.

sounds more and more of a balls up with every announcement, and Cambage not making herself available when shes actually got NO basketball commitments right now is an absolute joke

Still cheaper than hiring someone full time and paying for housing in Canberra and flying them to Melbourne all the time.

Also, WC/Olympic years with a lot of players playing in the WNBA the flight costs will even out with having camps in the USA.

What would we be paying a full time coach for right now? Watching SEABL games, flying out to watch wnba games?

Is there anything else people would like to complain about literally before anything has happened?

I don't think one season of experimenting at PG suddenly makes her a solution but it's great that she is giving it a go

Is Olaf "involved"?

Of course Olaf will be involved. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive.

Cambage not even bothering to make herself available is a joke, but after seeing Brondello embarrass herself to excuse Taurasi's hit the other day it's easy to see how easily Lizzie will walk all over her new coach.

speed is what we need.
Not sure we can keep up with Japan.

Not sure it is wise to focus the make up and style of our team around one opponent

Japan roster (final 16):
Head coach: Tom Hovasse
MACHIDA, Rui PG/162cm 1993/3/8
YOSHIDA, Asami PG/165cm 1987/10/9
FUJIOKA, Manami PG/170cm 1994/2/1
SHINOZAKI, Mio SG/167cm 1991/9/12
KONDO, Kaede SG/173cm 1991/10/6
MOTOKAWA, Sanae SG/176cm 1992/4/2
MIZUSHIMA, Saki SG/171cm 1991/4/24
NEMOTO, Haruno SF/175cm 1995/4/18
NAGAOKA, Moeko SF/182cm 1993/12/29
MIYAZAWA, Yuki SF/182cm 1993/6/2
MAWULI, Evelyn SF/180cm 1995/6/2
TAKADA, Maki PF/183cm 1989/8/23
TOKASHIKI, Ramu PF/193cm 1991/6/11
MAMIYA, Yuka C/184cm 1990/4/3
KAWAMURA, Miyuki C/185cm 1994/10/27
AKAHO, Sakura C/183cm 1996/4/30

China roster (final 15):
Head coach: Xu Limin (first year)
SHEN Yi PG/172cm 1993/3/1
YANG Liwei PG/176cm 1995/1/2
CHEN Xiaojia PG/180cm 1988/4/2
SHI Xiufeng SG/178cm 1987/9/16
LI Meng SG/183cm 1995/1/2
ZHAO Shuang SF/184cm 1990/6/21
SHAO Ting SF/184cm 1989/12/10
WU Di SF/182cm 1993/10/27
LU Wen SF/190cm 1990/2/26
HUANG Sijing PF/190cm 1996/1/8
GAO Song PF/190cm 1992/4/16
SUN Mengran C/195cm 1992/7/16
HUANG Hongpin C/195cm 1989/4/23
ZHANG Liting C/199cm 1994/8/23
LI Yueru C/200cm 1999/3/28

Chinese Taipei roster (final 16):
Coach: Cheng Hui-Yun (first year)
CHEN Yen-Yu PG/168cm 1994/10/7
LIN Hsien-Fang PG/168cm 1991/8/16
CHEN Yi-Feng PG/170cm 1984/11/13
HUANG Fan-Shan PG/174cm 1987/9/29
PENG Szu-Chin SG/163cm 1991/11/9
LIN Yu-Ting SG/178cm 1994/1/25
LAN Hao-Yu (Lan Jui-Yu) SF/170cm 1983/8/2
HUANG Ping-Jen SF/178cm 1989/11/6
CHEN Yu-Chun PF/176cm 1987/3/7
CHENG Yi-Hsiu PF/178cm 1993/6/24
LIU Chun-Yi PF/180cm 1981/1/23
WANG Li-Yun C/176cm 1985/10/17
WU Ying-Chieh C/178cm 1992/11/3
WANG Wei-Lin C/179cm 1993/2/1
LIN Chi-Wen C/186cm 1983/8/19
Joy BURKE (Bao Hsi-Le) C/196cm 1990/11/7

South Korea roster (final 12):
Coach: Seo Dong-Chul
SIM Sung-Young PG/165cm 1992/10/14
LEE Kyung-Eun PG/176cm 1987/7/13
PARK Hyejin PG/178cm 1990/7/22
PARK Hana SG/177cm 1990/9/14
LIM Yung-Hui SF/178cm 1980/5/29
KIM Danbi SF/180cm 1990/2/27
KANG Ajeong PF/180cm 1989/7/25
KANG Leeseul PF/180cm 1994/4/5
BAE Hyeyoon C/183cm 1989/6/10
KWAK Jooyeong C/183cm 1984/8/21
KIM Sodam C/186cm 1993/1/4
PARK Jisu C/195cm 1998/12/6

Surprised Alicia Froling wasn't on that list to go along with Wallace and smith.

Still cheaper than hiring someone full time and paying for housing in Canberra and flying them to Melbourne all the time.

Also, WC/Olympic years with a lot of players playing in the WNBA the flight costs will even out with having camps in the USA.

What would we be paying a full time coach for right now? Watching SEABL games, flying out to watch wnba games?

Is there anything else people would like to complain about literally before anything has happened?


She is paid a full time position, may not be like what Joyce had but he was in a different situation, the housing was only for Joyce because he also was head of COE, they have Veal now, so any Australian based coach would be good, its not as if the Opals are training as group throughout the week, anyone living in Australia could go to Canberra or any state really for camps and certainly more frequently and less costly than they will with this present system.
As for watching games, how do you think Brondello is watching players now, if at all, it would be via tape or live stream

I'm glad you have intricate details of the previous head coaches contract and the current coaches contract plus expense breakdown of a camp that hasn't happened yet.

You wrote some words down although you didn't answer any of the questions.

Tall Ferns Selection Camp Squad

Georgia Agnew -Harbour Breeze | NZL
Jessica Bygate – Melbourne Boomers/ Sandringham Sabres | AUS
Tea Charlton – Nottingham Wildcats/Nottingham Trent University | ENGLAND
Micaela Cocks – Townsville Fire/ Mackay Meteorettes | AUS
Antonia Franworth (nee Edmondson) Perth Lynx/ Perry Lakes Hawks | AUS
Deena Franklin – Harbour Breeze | NZL
Jillian Harmon – Le Mura Lucca | ITALY
Charlisse Leger-Walker – Waikato Wizards | NZL
Kayla Manuirirangi – Tulane University | USA
Katelin Noyer – Fresno State University | USA
Chevannah Palvaast – Townsville Fire/ Mackay Meteorettes | AUS
Kalani Purcell – Brigham Young University | USA
Erin Rooney – Artego Bydgoszcz | POLAND
Josephine Stockill – Sunbury Jets | AUS
Natalie Taylor – Brisbane Spartans | AUS

Invited but unavailable:

Stella Beck – Saint Mary's College of California | USA
Jacinta Beckley – Seattle University | USA
Brooke Blaire – Idaho State University | USA
Tessa Boagni – California State University | USA
Penina Davidson – University of California | USA
Tegan Graham – Colgate University | USA
Jordan Hunter – Adelaide Lightning / Sturt Sabres | AUS
Krystal Leger-Walker – Waikato Basketball Council | NZL
Akiene-Tera Reed – Virginia Commonwealth University | USA
Shalae Salmon – Brigham Young University (Provo, Utah) | USA
Rhaiah Spooner-Knight – Monmouth University | USA
Dru Toleafoa – Santa Clara University | USA
Jessica Tuki – Taranaki Thunder | NZL

As if there was any doubt, Olaf is in the camp team photo in Phoenix.

apparently Hurst pulled out,why the hell Tupea was slotted in and not one of the guards who were already on the original list is strange, and rumour has it Smith who was also invited could only attend for 2 days not the full 10 ...why did they not put Sherf in if that was the case.
think its just another money spending enterprise

Add in a head coach whos not available for half of the tournaments and needs camps held overseas costing BA even more money, its not looking a good outcome financially is it

Yeah, it is so great to see Penny watching part of this camp when she chose to watch basketball in Russia last year rather than attend early camps, Rio friendlies and pre-Rio European tour when she was actually on the side.

I hope the girls who couldn't amend their schedules to fit a fairly last minute international camp aren't penalised from future contention due to scheduling issues.

Scherf and a.froling Should have been in the mix.

"As if there was any doubt, Olaf is in the camp team photo in Phoenix."

Yes, he is the coach.

I'm thinking...

Hurst/Mansfield
Cumming/Ebzery/Wallace
Blicavs/Ohea
Griffin/Bishop/Tomlinson
Tolo/Bunton

Not at the moment but she'll get her shot I'm sure.

agree Clydesdale is better than Mansfield,and probably Hurst re athletic and shooting though Hurst has more experience and with Mitchel not available they are missing that experience at the point,but she is way way better than Tupaea!!

Mitchell imo will be outdated before Tokyo

I think it will come down to Mansfield, Clydesdale, lavey or Wehrung.

Whitcomb will take Mitchell naturalised spot.

Snell, hodges too old. New blood needed.
Garrick and Tupaea are a while off.


If hurst, ohea, Jarry, Phillips, smith aren't available.. then..


5'7 Mansfield/5'8 Lavey
5'11 Cumming/5'10 Ebzery/5'11 Wallace
6'2 Blicavs/6'2 Kunek
6'2 Griffin/6'3 Bishop/6'5 Mijovic
6'5 Tolo/6'5 Bunton


I would like to see the following get camp invites next major tournament
Clydesdale, Wehrung, Whitcomb, Wilson, Seekamp, Sharp, Froling, Magbegor, Scherf.

Mangakahia also has great potential.

I'm shocked Snell is even there. Judging by the shirt she's wearing she's not participating. Which brings the question of why take her all the way to the States. Which the brings me to another question: will the finances to keep our absentee coach minimally engaged with the side come from the regular Opals part of the BA pot or is there a separate fund for this? Are our developmental finances going to be drained for this?

"Which the brings me to another question: will the finances to keep our absentee coach minimally engaged with the side come from the regular Opals part of the BA pot or is there a separate fund for this? Are our developmental finances going to be drained for this?"

The men should complain about sexism if the latter is the case! :P

Whilst it's a valid question we finances and just how much these overseas camps will impact on the overall budget , I don't think the men have any grounds for complaint considering they had overseas camps for almost every training period and that was with an Aussie based coach , they also refused to stay at institute provided accomodation in those countries they were training st, opting for 5* accomodation , plus add their business class travel while the Opals were shoved into economy and had to pay their own upgrades .... the Men have had plenty of "extra" funding over the years whilst never producing a medal

National teams should be training in Australia and saving the funding to go play tournaments leading up to worlds and Olympics to get the international experience needed

And they SHOULD have a coach based in this country too
And one that's available for ALL tournaments
This situation they have is ridiculous, what was BA thinking?

LOL @ "shoved in economy". The men are much taller then the women.

Why I am not enthused about Olaf being involved... Brondello's response to being asked about coaching with her husband leaves a lot to be desired, especially as he is obviously now involved with the team although not on official staff.


https://mobile.twitter.com/EuroLeagueWomen/status/827094210725736453
Interviewer: At the moment Olaf is a head coach and you are an assistant coach. But once it was vice versa. Which is simpler for you?

Brondello: I am comfortable in both situations. Probably it is better now, when I am assisting. I think that being a head coach is more of a male job.

Why? I have no problem with the comment. Let me guess others will take it way out of hand now...

I like how someone goes to the effort of digging up an old Russian article probably lost in translation to rev up the sexism debate. Troll!

LOL @ "shoved in economy". The men are much taller then the women.

Opals had 8 of the 12 players over 6ft, of the ten Boomers thats were over 6 ft only two were taller than Cambage, so if you want to play that game, then it should have been fine for those two under 6ft to sit in economy dont you think.
the height excuse was just another bullshit way to try to justify the inequality in the sport,

There is no inequality. In fact the men subsidise the women.

When NBL was under the BA umbrella they used NBL team contributions to fund WNBL. Then NBL bolted from BA WNBL players complained about not having an awards night all of a sudden... derp. How brazen and ungrateful!

"The funding should be equal, however considering the medal tally of the women compared to the men, if it was performances based the women wouldn't need subsidising"

Don't be naive. Sports is entertainment. It's based on who tunes in to watch, and women aren't doing much of anything to get eyes on their game. So they used to get more medals in front of 5 pairs of eyes?

^so only five people watched the olymics and world games....hmm interesting concept.....

its astounding the amount of males here who are so blatantly sexist LOL,and Im a male , who just happens to have sisters and sister inlaws who play sport not just basketball at all levels of ability......frankly these women deserve far more respect than both BA and the general sporting bodies give them, not only do they train and play just as hard as any man, but they get less pay which means they hold down jobs, run families and in most cases look after the men in their lives too.

Perhaps if they got more support from the male sporting fans then their éxposure'wouldnt be such a struggle...or do they always need to be in skimpy suits(notice beach volley ball is never short of spectators for the women)

maybe think before you condemn and look at the reasons why...and dont say because its not as good, it is if you appreciate the players

It's astounding the amount of people on here who don't understand that the men's game is vastly more popular which brings more benefits to it. To top it off they then trot out the word sexism. A lot are probably jealous misandrists. Yes in utopia everything would be equal but we aren't living there.

"Don't be naive. Sports is entertainment."

Exactly, and a business! There are a lot of Robin Hood fans on here.

I like, watch and support women's basketball. But to ignore the financial realities of the situation is also misguided and will never move to advance the women's game... especially now as we've officially left behind the Golden Age of Opals basketball. To be frank, if BA couldn't sustain a boom in the time of having two of the best ever, how do they plan on generating interest and talent now?

Just because people think women athletes ( and all women really) should be treated equally doesn't make anyone a feminist , seriously only someone against women would think like that

and those who understand the reality between the economics and popularity of men's sports vs. women's sport doesn't make them sexist.

... or a hater of women.

Yet they left Sherf out and she would have been there the whole time

Poor form really, especially from a college student when their season hasn't even begun, it's not even official training yet for college

Olaf Lange to be named Russian women's national team head coach.

Real professional moves being made here. Getting hired by his wife after BA already made previous appointments. Dropping Aus as soon as he gets another offer. Makes it look like a really professional organisation down here.

Russia didn't even make the World Cup.

They paid him a lot of dosh...

well everyone cried they wanted Brondello, what did you expect, those that are at the helm of BAs selection need to go find another job, they suck at this one

I personally wanted Seebohm.
He's located here and close to our best facility, the AIS.

Lavey, Snell, Kunek, Hodges should have not been in that Asia Cup squad imo.

Brondello will no doubt pick a vet heavy squad.

HAHAHAHA now we lose Olaf, Brondello will be useless.

Unless Olaf continues in the role and effectively is head coach of Russia AND Australia?

What a joke. BA needs to be overhauled.

2 wages are better than one.

What happens when Russia vs. Australia?

Not possible until 2020.

BA appoints part time coach living on 2 continents, neither of which are Australia.

Part time coach makes her own assistant appointments after the BA appointments are already made.

Part time coach appoints one of those extra coaches as her replacement when she's at her other job.

Extra coaches happen to be one of her close mates and her husband.

Husband takes new job after coaching us to a second place finish in a Cup we should have easily won.


Is this the senior team or the junior state level?????? Will BA even make an official announcement about this or are they too embarrassed?

"Lavey, Snell, Kunek, Hodges should have not been in that Asia Cup squad imo.

Brondello will no doubt pick a vet heavy squad."

No doubt. She also heavily plays favourites.

Liz will walk all over Brondello too. Just watch the Mercury games and see how she can not handle Taurasi's on court antics or hysterics.

Everything trickles down from the national team.

if the team is not performing well and is poorly managed, then everything below it begins to fall apart.

It seems people have forgotten the ordinary job Olaf did with Logan back in the day. Maybe BA facilitated the Russian gig to keep him occupied elsewhere. Thereby opening the door for Cheryl Chambers to have the space to be more of an influence for Brondello which will be a beautiful thing. Chambers is/should be Associate Head Coach because she's the future. If Brondello is open to utilising her properly, then together they will lead the Opals very well imo

Counterpoint is, if Brondello was open to Chambers in the first place she wouldn't have hired her own pick of yet additional assistants. And Chambers would have led the way in Asia Cup.

I reckon people aren't misremembering how ordinary Lange is as a coach, but rather rightly recognising he is still a better coach than Brondello and she only implements his 'system'.

How is he 'rightly recognised as a better coach than her'?