"Thoughts?"


Blatant disrespectful attitude to refs is one of the pet peeves of mine in this league.
The league needs to crack down on it hard next season. I'm also convinced that this alone will improve the standard of reffing. You try focussing on a job that requires full focus 100% of the time, while you've got two loud babies yelling in your ear the whole time.

Clean it up. Players, coaches & refs to interact like normal civil human beings. Start dishing out more techs.
I'm all for some theatre with my sport, but when you see Gleeson carrying on all game the way he does, it's not theatre it's just embarrassing.

Just my general thoughts, and not related specifically to the Joey incidents as I didn't see that game.

I'm 100% with you Luuuc.

Spot on Luuuc. Bevo is the benchmark here for all other coaches to aspire to.

I'm not sure why they do it?
DO they think it will make the refs more inclined to rule their way on the next call?
I suspect that's Gleeson's strategy when he points out bad calls, because he'll often make the point to another ref. I don't know.
Surely if a coach had a reputation for rarely questioning the refs, it would carry more weight than somebody like Joey or Trev.

I guess the difference between those two is that Trev generally knows when to back off, and just keeps waving his arms from a distance. Whereas Joey was getting right in his face.

But surely, even the biggest nong should understand that when you get a tech, you shut up and sit down?

The team wasn't playing with much fire, Maybe he wanted to be ejected?

Saw it for first time from the replay. Thought the ref was way too dismissive of joey, seemed like they wouldn't acknowledge the possibility of what joey was saying, which of course would win him up. I don't get it, at Perth last week the refs spent about a minute in the middle of the game getting the right call from the monitors on a shot clock call and ended at the correct decision.

Either way as soon as I saw which ref called it I wasn't shocked, even my gf who only started watching basketball this season after she watched the olympics says "oh it's the guy with little man syndrome" whenever he officials a game.

I am jumping on the Luuuc bandwagon. You nailed it.

In addition it sets a poor example of behaviour for young players and coaches. About time the standard was you accept the decision good, bad or indifferent and get on with playing the game.

This doesn't mean that there shouldn't be reviews of refs and calls. Even coaches should have input to question decisions but all this should be done post game and for the purpose of improvement of umpiring, not so someone can just grandstand and bully others.

You can review what to set the clock at if it stops/starts/resets incorrectly, you can't review whether it should have been reset.

Refs will hear out coaches to a point. After a few instances in a game, they will warn the coach and then have them on a shorter leash from there. I don't think that's unreasonable. It's possible/likely that Joey had already pushed his luck by this point.

As for why they do it - influence the game, have something to do if their players aren't executing. We all argue and yell at the TV/game.

Coaches have been known to put videos on YouTube highlighting problematic calls to bring it to the NBL's attention (well, to the boss of the refs, anyway). I think Stacker (?) had a few up there which had been left public and listed in the past.

"Then after this the other Ref, came right up to him to discuss, and was very clear with Joey that he needed to calm down before they could talk. The Ref looked calm but Joey not so much, he got the second tech and even then walked on to the court towards the ref"

If they felt he wasn't calm why go up to him in the first place? A simple "It hit the ring and they forgot to reset the shot clock" would have done it.

I disagree that he wasn't calm. He wasn't yelling, swearing, abusing etc. If anything he was slightly animated but which coach isn't when they are making a point? If they are going to give that a tech then they are throwing out every coach for the same thing as all coaches are animated plenty of times throughout a game.

Hogan wanting Wright to be calm in this case meant don't speak. If the coach didn't want to listen than simply walk away. The situation could have been handled a lot better by Hogan.

On the other hand, Jawai yesterday got warned for yelling at the ref. Then continued to do it throughout the game but didn't get a tech. That is a massive inconsistency!

"Here in Australia everyone makes such a big deal about what is otherwise just another part of the game.
All the blame is on the Referee"

I don't think people care that much about a tech if it is warranted. A coach getting kicked out of the game for saying "shot clock, shot clock" is a bigger deal. Having said that a coach getting kicked out in the NBA is made a lot bigger deal than it is here. Steve Kerr the other day is a good example.

Coaches have been known to put videos on YouTube highlighting problematic calls to bring it to the NBL's attention (well, to the boss of the refs, anyway). I think Stacker (?) had a few up there which had been left public and listed in the past.

Agree with Luuuc

Passion on behalf of your team is one thing, but losing self-control and screaming at refs because of frustration with your team's inadequacies isn't on.

I'd worry about a coach who spends more time coaching how to milk the refs and how to get around the rules than on just plain skills. I see shooting 50% on an uncontested shot, or 80% from the foul line, as a lot more important than where you need to aim to draw a blocking foul on a defender, but from watching so many players these days it seems to be all about blaming the refs than about feeling guilty because they stuffed up.

" it's not theatre it's just embarrassing"

and theatre is only worth watching if you find it entertaining. These displays are not entertaining.

+1 to Luuuc's comments. All of them, not just the ones about coaches' behaviours.

I'm with Luuuc, the disrespect shown to refs is out of control.

Too many times in sport the focus on the mistakes officials make, go back over any game and count the mistakes players make compared to the refs, and tell me who makes the most errors and affects the outcome of the game the most. My guess would be players.

Gleeson, DD and Joey with the way the carry on during the games should be averaging at least one tech per game.

Wilson Sting, spot on regards to Bevo, also i believe coaches should also look at Lemanis, both chat with the refs, not yell.

Yes, there are inconsistencies.
As in many aspects of reffing, that is the most annoying. I think its because Ref's try and be patient, and exercise restraint.

Thing is we don't know the precise words, maybe they HAD already told him that it hit the ring. All we know is that Joey kept arguing. AND he was right in the refs face.

Trev is often a twat, he will yell, and wave his arms, point at the screen, etc, etc, but generally when the ref approaches he calms down. Not defending him at Joey's expense, the initial tech was a tough call if you consider what is sometimes tolerated.
But continuing after the tech? No way.
You leave the ref with no choice.

When I umpired and reffed kids ball, techs were handed out easily. Including to parents. People learned to show respect.

Nobody wants to see techs given out, much less see coaches or players evicted. But sometimes people just insist on pushing the line too far.

Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu(u?)c nailed it.

Australians ride every call, look at how the aussies treat cricket