Statman
Years ago

Update on WNBL "Betting Scandal"

Reports up in QLD have now named Shane Heal, although being very careful to ensure not to suggest anyone is actually guilty doing anything illegal. Will be interesting to see where this one ends up.

IMO Im quite surprised that 2 bets of $500 and $100 have raised such an investigation.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/shane-heal-denies-betting-on-basketball-team-he-coached-20160302-gn8ivr.html

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Spot up  
Years ago

I can't believe that no one on here raised any prospect of this link sooner.

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Matthew  
Years ago

The very last part of that article raises good points.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So an employee of his associate put some bets on. Isn't that a long bow to draw to connect that to heal?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Those WNBL games have got some seriously one sided odds to them if you follow it. Out laying that sort of money with the right intel could easily make you $15k. Sports agencies wouldnt be happy, not to mention the amount they had already given up to start taking enough notice imo.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Denied allegations, followed by a challenge to ro shambo anyone who begged to differ.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Spot up...

I actually put something up in regards to this about 2-4 weeks ago and it was taken down for some reason.

If he's betting on or getting someone to bet on his teams games he should be banned from the sport...PERIOD!!!

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KET  
Years ago

Anon, there's something called Presumption of Innocence

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paul  
Years ago

"So an employee of his associate put some bets on. Isn't that a long bow to draw to connect that to heal?"

Unless there is a smoking gun like an email chain it seems pretty tenuous to me. Especially if there are only two bets, as reported, one to beat the reigning champs and one to lose a game they actually won.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

Whether its one bet or 50 bets,$1 or $500 its irreverent.There are laws in place to maintain the integrity of the sport and if you breach them the penalities are harsh.If he has done nothing wrong he has nothing to fear, if he has, his career is finished.

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paul  
Years ago

It is relevant, because the report's talking about the actions of an associate of the owner, meaning links need to established that show those actions involved others.

If there were a long string of bets it hints at something systemic, particularly if they were for strategic games, whereas a pair of random bets by an associate of the owner doesn't really fit with that.

Like I said, unless there is a smoking gun linking the actions of the person placing the bets to those who shouldn't be betting, or more to it than the report states, from the outside it seems like a long bow.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Agree. You'd want more of a link before talking investigation and scandal. Surely it's there and they haven't been able to speak about it?

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paul  
Years ago

Possibly, or possibly the investigation is a response to complaints ie trying to uncover evidence rather than responding to evidence. Hopefully the investigation is done soon so we know one way or the other.

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LV  
Years ago

You've gotta wonder whether there's more to it and whether the journalists are treading very carefully with their reporting.

At this point it's a bit of a non story, if the information in the article is all there is.

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paul  
Years ago

That's certainly possible LV. It's just strange that the article was so specific about the amount bet and which games.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There's way more than has been reported. Heal is in serious trouble. And already has the lawyers threatening the media over this. One way or another, he's finished with BA. Too toxic to be involved with the sport ever again.

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Zodiac  
Years ago

Logic suggests with stories like this there is usually a lot more to it. The fact the media have now named him despite his history of threatening to activate his high priced lawyers at any bad publicity about his past actions, also says something.

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rex  
Years ago

It sounds a lot more like that advice from inside the SEQ organization may have been passed onto outside parties.
Very much like the Indian cricket betting scandal involving Mark Waugh and Warne. Did not directly gamble but gave information that may have been useful to other parties.

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Wilson Sting  
Years ago

"Those WNBL games have got some seriously one sided odds to them if you follow it. "

So does the NBL, especially when you factor in that on any given day, any team can beat anyone. I'll always jump on a team that has around $8 odds because generally it's about a 1 in 5 payout rate.

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Happy Days  
Years ago

The question is has there been a breach of Queensland legislation.The dollar value is irrelevent unless the case is sustained. Police will look at all aspects of the case including betting records,bank transactions and cctv footage.

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Dazz  
Years ago

I don't bet on sports, so I don't know how easy it is to setup an account. But I do know there are hundreds (if not thousands) of online bookies.
Point is, if you did want to cheat by betting and shaving points, I can't imagine it would be too hard to hide your betting activity. (Until police seize your phone or computer with the betting app :-()

Or, you would be more likely to use a trusted friend, rather than some random employee.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The article definitely had a more than meets the eye feel to it. Will be interesting to see what comes out

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Anonymous  
Years ago

unfortunately leopards dont change their spots!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So what leads you to that conclusion? PLease tell us.

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Luuuc  
Years ago

It's biology/genetics.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100113172308.htm

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Anonymouse  
Years ago

And David Attenborough said so.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Raises the question what NBL bets where placed by him during his stint as player, player/coach and coach in the men's league.

Remember bets are easier to be disguised in bigger betting pools. Now that he went over to WNBL the bets placed were more significant in a shallow pool and stood out.

He has always been a prick, at least this will finally get rid of him from our sport. Fox do not re-sign him as a commentator please.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Those same hearings also questioned why Heal had resigned from his director roles of his 38 companies three months before the business went under.

He reportedly told examiners that he was unable to recall what had prompted him to step down."

F'IN LOL what a joke you are Heal.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah, let me casually resign from THIRTY EIGHT companies.

That's a lot of signatures.

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