Dazz
Years ago

Ménage à trois - the 3-way tie

So, if MU continue to rest players and drop their 2nd game to NZ,
and Hawks drop their game to Adelaide,
and then Perth also drop their last game,
we have 3 teams tied on 16 wins.
Unlikely, but intriguing...

The rules are clear on the first part, it goes on wins in the 12 games between those 3 teams.
By my count, Hawks & 6's would finish tied on 5 wins each, and NZ only 2. (Please correct me if I have miscounted.)
So, NZ is eliminated by finishing 5th.

Does anyone actually know what the definitive rule is after that, and what the result would be?

The rules state that if the tie persists, then it goes to points. But the 3-way tie won't persist, so does that mean it goes back to head to head between Hawks & 6's?

If so, then presumably the 6's would finish above Hawks.
As others have suggested, the Hawks might prefer to face MU, rather than the Cats against who they have lost all 4 games.

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Train  
Years ago

I imagine it would go on point %

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Depends on mini league which is undetermined as of yet since Hawks & Sixers are playing each other right now. If Sixers win tonight the calculations can be done.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

On second thoughts Hawks are already a lock even if it's a threesome.

So it comes down to Breakers and Sixers.

Therefore Sixers need to win out AND hope NZ lose on Sunday.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

... since Breakers have the split over Sixers.

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koberulz  
Years ago

If it's a three way tie, Adelaide are third, Illawarra are fourth.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wrong koberulz.

Adeladie can't go through on a three way tie.

They can only qualify on a two way tie with Illawarra.

Any tie involving NZ mean Adelaide are out.

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Hendo8888  
Years ago

But we have the split on Illawarra and Illawarra has the split on NZ. So it's a 3 way handshake.
It's all moot, because we're getting rolled by Illawarra, but it appears like we make Playoffs if we win both games. Because between the 3 teams, NZ have the least amount of wins in that triangle.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Adelaide are third, Illawarra are fourth" CORRECT but only in a two way tie (with NZ finishing 5th).

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koberulz  
Years ago

FFS people.

NZ lose a three way tie. They're out. Illawarra and Adelaide are still tied, so it goes to the season series.

Adelaide have the season series with Illawarra, and therefore will finish third. Illawarra will finish fourth.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sixers can only qualify if they are one win ahead of Breakers is the key. The other constant is Illawarra have qualified no matter what. Then go from there.

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koberulz  
Years ago

Wrong.

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Hendo8888  
Years ago

The argument you're making, Anon, for Adelaide missing due to losing the split to NZ can be applied to each team in the 3 way tie.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Three way tie means NZ lose out.

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Dazz  
Years ago

Oh gees.
Do people not bother to read the OP?

As I said, in the (unlikely) event of a 3-way tie, the initial application of the rules is very clear. It goes to wins in the 12 games involving those teams.
So Hawks & 6's remain tied on 5 wins, NZ have only 2, and so finish 5th.

The ONLY question is what happens to split the tie between Hawks & 6's.
And there are only TWO options, depending on how you interpret the rules.
Either it is now deemed to be a 2-way tie, and so reverts to the Hawks v 6's win-loss, (Which 6's would win)
OR it follows from the 3-way tie and goes to points differential, (and even then I'm not clear if it goes to the 3-way points differential.)

I'd like to hear if anybody actually KNOWS how the rules are interpreted.

What is clear, is that in the event of a 3-way tie, NZ miss out, and the Hawks MIGHT drop to 4th, avoiding Perth

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koberulz  
Years ago

After the third team is eliminated it reverts to two-team tie procedures.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You do a three team pool eliminate one then go to a two team.

Same procedure if there were more teams tied. You eliminate one and then again.

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paul  
Years ago

That was painful reading. Nice persistence Koberulz!

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Can Sydney still make it?

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koberulz  
Years ago

@paul: I was too busy watching the Illawarra/Adelaide game to scroll back up and check how I'd phrased it the first time, but having re-read it I did answer the question in the OP. *sigh*

Worst of all, it ends up being completely irrelevant.

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LV  
Years ago

We already sorted this out in my thread earlier.

KR is correct

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paul  
Years ago

So what happens if Townsville beat Sydney tomorrow?

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koberulz  
Years ago

*when

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Dazz  
Years ago

Yep, close/delete thread

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Lock it Eddie.

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Kobe24  
Years ago

Hang on lets run through this one more time...

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Indoorkite  
Years ago

tl:dr
Is this about that football show host slinging one up his mates missus?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No because there were only two of them involved. All would be still well if it were a threeway spit roast.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Despite the playoff seedings being set the ladder can still finish differently.

Perth win vs Adelaide = Mel & Per tied on 18-10 meaning Per finish 1st due to superior pts %.

Perth lose vs Adelaide = Per & Ill tied on 17-11 meaning Ill finish 2nd due to suprior pts %.

Remember the ladder final positions are based on overall record not head to head. Head to head/mini league is only used for playoff seedings.

Of course none of this matters re: playoff seedings as those were set in stone on Friday.

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koberulz  
Years ago

Wrong again.

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