I think some of you Woodville people need to realize that the future of your club is your junior grades not the 18 and 20s. Every club experieinces loss ib numbers at 18/20s so to say that your club is failing is wrong. I think a few too many people on this forum are worried about their own grade and not their club.

Other clubs will have more of an idea once their trials are finished. We shold know moreat the end of the month.

I didn't see a lot of Southern this year but seeing their stats they certainly have young squads. Maybe there will be a clean out in the men with some more new players? We will just wait and see.

Anonymous, youre obivously from woodville otherwise how would you know whos leaving and whos not, do you know why some of these players are going to this social team? there are still a few 18s moving up, its hard to say if there will 2 or 3 teams in the u/20s next season.

anonymous, any specific person(s) you are refering to who are making decisions to suit themselves.

Also, the juniors who "make" the club are already playing ABA. I'm pretty sure the ABA squad is predominantly the best from u20's from the club, with the senior players, apart from reesy, are early 20's. This should create a stable enviropnment for the mens team for a number of years. I think you need to look at the juniors below u18's to get a more accurate situation the club is in.

I think things were bad before Vera left.

I don't think that gettting someone from outside the club is always ideal. There has to be someone who the club can employ as a development officer to help get the club up there again. It does take time and hard work but internal fighting does not help.

I will take some liberty to alter one of JFKs famous quotes - "Ask not what your club can do for you, but what you can do for your club!"

As someone wrote above, be part of the solution - no matter what club you are in. The more effort everyone puts in, the better the whole state of basketball will be.

- If you don't like the standard of umpiring - pick up a whistle.
- If you don't like the standard of coaching - pick up a white board.
- If you don't like the standard of administration - pick up a pen!
- If you don't like the standard of my posts - pick up a keyboard :-)

Don't wait for the silver bullet, be the bullet...

As a WDBC life member and a volunteer of over 18 years it totally frustrates me to see nameless people who come on to a public forum and denigrate our club.

Vera Craig as much as I respected her has gone. The people who are in charge of the club have been in place well before her death.

If you have legimate concerns you should approach the club and not bitch namelessly in a public forum.

Do you realise the harm you cause your club?

Or do you just treat this as a forum that doesn't get read by many? Think again for every person that reads this 10 or so get to hear about it.

Better still our AGM is due next month, why not turn up and voice your concerns and perhaps stand for a committee.

Please be proactive not reactive and for the sake of the players, parents and volunteers of a great club don't wash your perceived dirty linen in public.

Unfortunately people only seem to put people down. Very few praise those hard working behind the scenes people who get precious thanks and very little help, but are hung out to dry when something doesn't seem to go their way.

I have been around basketball a very long time. And problems come and go at all clubs.

Let us concentrate on our great men's ABA team in consecutive grand finals with many home grown youngsters. Look at our emerging junior girls like Sharna, Kelly and Lyndall.

Pick up the phone and make your complaint in person. Don't make us the laughing stock of other clubs.

Well said, but i really think that these guys are only interested in themselves.

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you want an honest answer yet won't put your name to your post?

why put it on a public forum that goes everywhere and with a heading like the demise of woodville drags everyone's attention

have you spoken to the JDO's have you spoken to the president John Marshman, have you approached Dave Hardy or Barb Breavington?

Or are you hanging the club out to dry in front of the basketball public of south australia and australia.

Does this help the situation or make it worse, does it make kids leave because they think the club is declining because of your ill advised post.

As i said be proactive this is not the forum.

Ring the club, get a meeting together of concern parents or players if need be.

But like I said before it does no club a service to have things like this discussed by nameless people.

It is so easy to sit behind a keyboard and type to your heart's content you have been given the avenue's to voice your concerns.

don't expect to do much more than harm the club by discussing them on here.

And talking about discussing things on here I best be back to work cause my boss pays me to be proactive at work not on Isaac's great Hoops Forum :)

Go the green train.

Keep the work going Lyn. Unfortunately every club has these kind of people and you will never get rid of them.

look i no our old ages aren't as strong as they once were but we had alot of kids at the younger try outs yesterday and with some work things will happen. so get the F**K off our case and worry bout ya own clubs!! there r alot of ppl working very had and doing there best, and crap like this just doesnt help

I whole heartedly agree with the comments from Pegs, Take Luck and Lyn.

The fact that the "person" trying to denigrate the Woodville club name refuses to put their name to a post really casts doubts over what they are trying to acheive.

If you dont like the way things are run, come to the AGM when it's on. Put your hand up for a coaching role, or an admin role.

Perhaps you could put your hand up to be trained on score table or stats and be a game night volunteer.

Or perhaps you just dont have the cojones, and will remain a nameless, pathetic little troll like you are right now.

People like you dont deserve to be involved with a club like Woodville, in fact any of the proud clubs that are part of the organisation in this state.

Maybe go join the Bowhill Primary School Under 8's.

(And if you dont know where Bowhill is go to the RAA and buy a map - buy yourself a clue while your there too!)

...or phone a friend if its actually possible!

Why do people decide to air their clubs internal issues on this site?

I thought ppl woulda learnt their lesson after the bullshit
"SOUTHERN/TIGERGIRL" posts of 2004.

i dont no for sure, but i think lynn is taking some time for her self and not coaching as many teams. maybe concentrating on her girls team that she has some very good players. (5 or so sasi players) which is fair enough with all the work she does for the club. its a sad thing for my self to not be able to have lynn as my coach but thats the way things happen sometimes. the coaches are Greg Breavington (spelling?) who is the ABL mens assistant coach and wayne develin who is this years div 2 coach. Hope that awnsers some questions

who would say she would have been your coach take luck

hahaha, good point hammer

i hardly think woodville is in demise making the abl GF
the problems they have at woodville is no different to many other clubs
the real obvious thing to me is depth
woodville are in a better state than west in some areas u14/12/10 girls

Dont forget 16 Girls they had about 40 girls at trials

so will this mean 5 u16 teams?
or 4?

it would be great to see Lynn focus on the girls rather than spreading herself too thinly everywhere.

what about other grades?

Fantastic effort by the men - now to spend some money on the women's team and get a few players to lead the young ones

Isn't it amazing. All these nameless people bitchng about other clubs.

Are you people who state that they "need to spend some money on their womens and junior teams" part fo the Committee's that make these decisions? No?? Didnt think so.

Are you even involved in the club in any way, to help shape these decisions? No?? Didn;t think so either.

Every club pays their ABL players. Thats a fact, Jack. I'm not saying EVERY player gets paid, but every club has a budget (and hence why the salary cap was introduced.)

How a club decides to spend it's money IS THAT CLUBS DECISION PURELY.

Grand Finalists last season, and ABL Champions this season, with a LOT of Woodville juniors in the team would suggest that maybe the mix is just right.

Perhaps people should stop with the sour grapes, and get on with supporting local basketball instead. Worry about what YOUR club is doing with your fees, if it so concerns you, and let other clubs operate the way they feel they should.

This post by the way is in no way a view of the WDBC, but is purely my own personal view, and I will state that I actually have no idea on who gets paid, what gets paid, and what money gets spent where.

personally I am sick to death of seeing the title 'demise of woodville.'

I believe it was started by a disgruntled few who wish to justify their reasons for leaving the club.

If anyone saw Sharna Breavington's game in the final round at Starplex saw a player with a lot of promise. One person not connected with either club commented on the night that they could see her playing WNBL.

Lyndall and Kelly who came the Woodville junior program are improving each game. Shanon Gates would get a game at most other clubs.

Cam Wilson from u10s to ABL championship captain a lot of that career was played in lower division and on the receiving end of a lot of big losses.

But look what team & club loyalty can give you!

Like a lot of clubs we have Juniors who have left and are playing ABL at other clubs.

Clubs are like families, everyone doesn't get along all of the time.

Players come an go from clubs for various reasons, from personality clashes, to distances travelled to training.

I know Woodville was built on the premise of being accepting of all and that if you wished to play the club would find a way to help you achieve that goal.

Let us take that accepting spirit and just move on!

lets let the results talk then. and when we r doing well or even ok, it will prove the doubters wrong. well said lyn

that's ok Take Luck

next time can you change the title or we'll keep seeing the demise of woodville rise to the top of the list.

I have heard that the players who are leaving Woodville and going to a social team, already play at St Clair in a team (I think a West player is involved too) What I heard was they they are entering this "social" team into the Under 20 competition? Can this be right? Sorry but if it is, thats crap! This is a DISTRICT competition for District CLUBS. Its bad enough having groups like torrens valley and rattlers being allowed to compete in the junior comp. they do not have div 1 teams and do not have ABA teams, so how do they qualify as a district club? are BASA now just going to let anyone put in a half baked team just to make a few extra bucks? What is happening!!! Somebody, please, please explain this to me. Why am I paying enormous fees, when i can go to one of these "off-shoot" teams and play for next to nothing!

there is nothing to stop them - remember modbury jazz - those guys had game!

basa supports the clubs - but if persons' efforts are honest to starting a new club / team - and they meet entry criteria - away they go.

who says clubs have the overall say!
if the player feels better doing that and feels a better deal is on the cards - go for it.

I am hardly convinced club loyalty exists much nowdays - I have seen the most loyal shredded by clubs.

Most clubs arent loyal to players so why should the players be loyal to them.

here , here - especially warriors.

vera was dedicated, gave blood for the cause - but her coaches so many times did not reflect her philosphies.

div 1s doing what they liked, coaches telling div 3s they were only money spinners, kids getting shunted at the coaches whim / favouritism.

frankly it does not surprise me if there are renegade warriors - they treated my relatives like shit

facts are facts, jack !

trust me - we've been there.

you are either a div 1 player or still naive enough to think it is good.

why do you think the jarmans walked out in disgust.

ha - wait until it is your turn - unless your family is on the committee - then you are safe and definitely in line for a future

been there what are you on about
the jarmans left because of time commitments
get your facts right
what committees are you on about ??
if youre not happy see you later the green train is moving ahead
without you i reckon
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