Anonymous
Years ago

National Under 20s 2016

A shame to hear no boys from Tas .

How are other states going?



Is it time to bring back metro and country for NSW and Vic

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No - just send 2 teams from Vic and NSW - ie the best 20 players whether they are Country or Metro
That way those that deserve it make the teams.
Vic could easily send two teams.
At least the standard or depth of competition would be better.
Surely its about time that relative populations are taken into consideration for the states.
Heaps of really good players miss out from the bigger states

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What birth years will they be looking at

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If it's true that Tas will not be fielding an U20 team that is really disappointing and a blight on Basketball Tas and Basketball Aus.

Not really sure why this would be the case, but I'd suggest its beginnings can be traced back to when Justin Schueller left Tas. It would appear the boys and girls program has fallen apart and it started around the time Justin left and many of the Tas kids have gone to Vic to play.
The underage nationals really needs to be revamped for a number of reasons.

1. Cost of attendance, it is exorbitant for all to attend. With the participation rates in local basketball why can't the State bodies levy each and every domestic player via the local associations, say $10 or $20 and that is set aside to pay for players attendance at Nationals.

The cost to play basketball, compared to other sports is exorbitant and if or when you make a State team you a given an invoice for anywhere between $2k-3.5k to attend. Other posts allude to the Sudanese kids leaving our shores for US High School basketball. I'm reasonably certain some of the Sudanese kids could've & would've played in state teams, but the cost to do so is prohibitive. It is also prohibitive for some of the other kids who do get selected and I know there has been payment plans put in place for those families.

2. Quality of some of the teams and players - A lot won't like to hear this, but to those that have studied statistics it makes perfect sense and it is no wonder why Vic & NSW are generally the stronger teams at Nationals, they have a larger population, which should result in a larger participation, which should result in a larger percentage of better players. That is not rocket science stuff and it is high time administrators from all states acknowledge that and for the good of basketball in Australia and future exposure and development of players allow Vic & NSW to enter more teams. This is especially so for Vic. Of course there are the odd years where there are exceptions to this rule.

I'm confident if there was no cost to the athlete or only a nominal $200-$300 cost then Tas would be fielding a team.

3. The window & chance for higher honors rapidly narrows at this age group, so the motivation to pay a lot of money to go is not there.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I too strongly believe that the cost of state trips should be mostly covered by state associations.

I think the benefits of this investments would vastly outweigh the costs over a number of yrs.

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Bear  
Years ago

Nationals has always been both rewarding and very expensive on families, but until State basketball gets itself in order to manage funds and build some kind of network to cater for these events well and truly before they are due, can't see anything changing...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So Bear I'd say you're involved in an association somewhere in country Vic, Geelong perhaps? What do we have to do to get rid of the status quo. Let's think outside the square on this one. Their needs to be some high powered brainstorming.

From my little exposure with BV, the associations are to blame. There are way too many trying to protect their own back yard and not concerned with the greater good.

Another idea - perhaps put a ban on Associations playing Big V and SEABL players and direct that money to state programs. Having some knowledge of the inner working of an Association, a lot of Associations, if not most, use revenues generated through their domestic Senior & Junior comps to fund their Big V & SEABL teams.

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Boris  
Years ago

The slow death of Under 20 Nationals has begun

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There are subsidies and the State does cover some costs but it can't cover everything so parents will have to cover the rest but yeah maybe more could be done if they got some sponsors and maybe every association on board they could put more $$ into developing juniors at nat's.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Schueller leaves Tassie for Victoria, kids leave for Victoria - surely he didn't take an entire age group ??? The Tas kids just played in the Gold medal game this year, How much does footy impact the boys at this age in Tassie ?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not much. All boys from 18s and 20s 2015 still playing basketball.Other issues!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well that is a shame, some good players there and just hope they get an opportunity

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Anonymous  
Years ago

many in this age group both boys and girls are either at college, at uni or going to college, many are also working, or just finshed yr12(or doing exams when the training/selection is being held) the flip side of that coin is that during the process of un16 & 18 many who did not make the cut in those age groups have given up trying, as in most cases its the same ones who get put through, yes perhaps its talent but sometimes its purely because of past attendance. So many factors. And at the end of it by the time they get to this age group, those who are going to continue or make a national side to rep Aus have already been seen, and are on the radar (or off it which every is the case) I don't think it has anything at all to do with cost. Its one week of play for a State rep as opposed to several months and possibly continuous years of BigV/SEABL, so why on earth would it make sense for any club to stop funding those comps just so one or two of their kids (as they don't all come from one club) can play State. Far better having something for the bulk of the kids in the club to aim for than one or two select ones. Clubs can always fund raise. As for the Sudanese playing state. unlike the rest of the Aussie kids they will usually get some funding either state or church funding. So again its not a money issue, yes its expensive but its achievable.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I know for my kids playing 16 and 18 Nationals was something they aspired to, enjoyed and could fit into their busy schedule that includes school.

20's on the other hand isn't really going to do that much for them and when it comes to year 12, that takes precedence.

By the time your best kids are under 20's age they will either be at college or in year 12, so it is a difficult one to fit in for those who have to study hard.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^ not so. Maybe kids from QLD or WA at top age 20 might already be in college or kids in the other states that started early.

But there are other players to pick from.

Also, if you're bottom age the tournament is one week in the middle of Feb. It won't really impact Y12, they've got the whole school year ahead of them bar the one week for the tourny.

There are other issues here.

Having had a child play in 5 National Champs and talking to other parents over those years that went to Nationals, cost is a big factor.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Massive disappointment for some boys.
Why and you would think it would be the same for 2017.

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jeff  
Years ago

the sense of entitlement in this thread that is systemic in the sport through blaming others and everyone trying to make some money for their empire is sickening.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

^ not so. Maybe kids from QLD or WA at top age 20 might already be in college or kids in the other states that started early.

@Anonymous you are in fact wrong there matey, my kid is top age 20's and he is Victorian and he is in college now, so YES it does come at a time inconvenient for some.

Also I know of kids who are doing year 12 next year and have plenty of work during holidays to do along with all of their other commitments, National 20's isn't high on their radar at all.

It would be nice to fit it in, but it isn't the highest rated event for juniors and what's the point it won't get you to college, it is just nice for the resume.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

" it won't get you to college, it is just nice for the resume." you just contradicted yourself. The standard of players competing each yr are guys schools are looking at a lot. Been able to show coaches games of you competing against guys that schools are looking at gives them a benchmark.

It is critical that U20 Nationals stays for guys to keep getting opportunities and also to expose guys that haven't played at Nationals before that may have been late bloomers.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It is critical that U20 Nationals stays for guys to keep getting opportunities and also to expose guys that haven't played at Nationals before that may have been late bloomers.

No one is saying it isn't valuable anon #571, but the number of kids that can play is very small so don't kid yourself that under 20's is the be all and you need it to get anywhere, that's completely untrue.

Most of the Vic team for instance are AIS/COE, so they are already recognised and already have exposure, opportunity and are on the radar, how many positions are left for all those others who may want to go to college, one-two maybe three spots?

Be realistic, many kids going to college will get exposure elsewhere than at Nationals!

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