I miss Jack Toft.

when are they holding his Funeral?

Contain the perimeter and should be close enough to get the w.

Ogilvy v Jawai will be a mouth-watering matchup.

As much as I like Jawai, everytime he has the ball I think he is gonna turn it over, but he suprises me more often than not.

A few more games of owning opposition front courts should get me used to it.

Hawks at home just...

Contain the perimeter and should be close enough to get the w.

On paper Illawarra at home vs Perth without Martin is an easy tip.

But- Perth were phenomenal last time they visited Wollongong, undermanned with 106 points and a strong win. And then they destroyed Illawarra in a dominant performance in the return bout.

So that all adds an element of intrigue here.

Hawks *must* rebound better than they did the last two matchups.

Pat - I think you can relax a bit. In turnovers per game Jawai ranks 20th in the league. Ogilvy - his opponent tonight - ranks 3rd in the league for that stat.

BTW, Jawai is the only non-guard in the top 10 for assists per game, other than Childress, who has only played 1 game. Jawai has 3 per game. Not bad for a centre spending half of every game on the bench!

I must admit, I loved that Black Tornado spin move on the baseline to free himself for the slam on the Crocs at Perth.

As much as I love my Cats ...I think Be o will be better prepared this time.

Did I just hear him say Jeremy Beal?

The fitter that Jawai gets the more influence he is having on the game! He could have be the difference for Perth's chances at the end of the season if he continues to get into shape.

Mmmmm, those A League crowds..

^Except for the rims in Perth where if it is not all net it is not in.

Nbl Twitter account posts highlight of Jawais goaltending....."Jawai almost with the block" why not put up highlights of bricks "almost a three"

Can't stop Ellis? Really Perth??

Now he's Jerryd Beal

Then Heal calls him Jeremy..

Lisch... I liked these shenanigans a lot more when you were a Wildcat

Looks and sounds like a good crowd. Worry of no one turning up mid week is slowly drifting away.

What kind of call was that on Knight

Dafuq was that call against Knight about?

What did jawai do to get a unsportsmanlike?

Apparently pulling a shirt is an automatic unsportsmanlike

I'm was about to find out where Heal lives, then you guys saved him.

Fair enough too. Soft in a way because there wasn't much in it, but it was not remotely a play at the ball, so I like that as an unsportsmanlike.

The lack of reaction from Jawai suggests he was aware of the rule too.

Wildcats are good at defending that baseline cut

It's as much the d as the lack of scoring power. We're giving up a lot of easy ones.
Hawks looking great tonight.

How much better are games without the pointless crosses to Dan Ewing and "his boi" or "main man"

Massive flop

Definitely a PG with a pass-first mentality

Well done an on, if you take pleasure seeing wildcats lose then I'm sure you haven't had much pleasure over the years

Gaze: "Hire was tagged-team from behind"

He's a solid shooter but the Hawks have been leaving him wide open. As Bevo said in the timeout, disrespecting him. Prather is the player they should be daring to shoot, not Kenny.
You're right that he's not really a drive and dish type, but not all PGs are.

Jawai's weaknesses seem to far outweigh his strengths

Someone tell this guy that not every hesitation move is a "Euro step"

Reffing is atrocious.

I have no doubt in my mind that players bet on the games they play in...no doubt in my mind


Referees too...

Beal plays better with broken ankles

Fantastic call on the flop. Credit where credit is due.

Kudos to the refs for that flop call

YES! Precedent set, now let's see if they keep calling them.

Beal completely unconscious out there!

Hire all over the back and no call. Coenraad is a solid man too..was a solid hit.

Yeah... if refs could just err on the side of 'block' over 'charge' that would be great. I mean, it's an ugly play to watch and if refs call more blocks than charges it sets a tone and players will stop putting their bodies on the line

LOL Jawai...

Lisch doing his best Goulding impression

Anon, how so? I said reffing was atrocious..never referred to a specific team. Its bad on both ends

Regardless of what team you follow its hard not to like the calling of that flop tech. I don't mind Perth. If Webster flopped like that i'd say it was a great call too.

Looking forward to fstos telling us again what a shit import Beal is

Jervis was instrumental in that win. Great stuff off the bench

In hindsight Lischs' crossover was very bad news for the Hawks. It sure woke Beal up.

If Beal was that aggressive every game, he'd be MVP of this league IMO.

Hawks' bench is a major problem. Perths' better depth showed through.

Warren. Warren... stop Warren. The game is not over m888

Oh no, Heal please don't bring that "score the ball" crap to NBL commentary.
Pet peeve

Lisch lost his mind there with that final three-point shot. Get it through hands! Maybe the moment got to him.

I'd probably say NZ and Perth are (again) championship favourites

Such a luxury that Perth can have a C rotation of Jawai and Jervis.

Lisch was awesome and I fully expected that last 3 to go down. With certain players I don't think that's a bad shot.

Well coached Gleeson, great team play the wildcats.

Jervis deserves an opportunity to start. Wouldn't mind him as starting Centre next to Knight next season. Great shotblocker

Said from the start Illawarra should've gone for a second import instead of Ellis. Even if a budget import like Montreal or just a rebounder would help.

Think Bevo needs to try Davidson next to Ogilvy at times, Davidson can shoot - Davidson has been rubbish this year though.

Demos showed his zero point value by taking out Beals legs when he had no chance at getting the ball.

Good win by the Cats.

Why can't they do that against the Crocs?

Cats best & worst is poles apart. It's no surprise to me that Bad Cats lost to the Crocs. Too many minutes of Bad Cats probably should have cost us the game tonight but we were bailed out by a pretty special 4th quarter.

We're still not using Jawai & Knight well enough.

I actually thought the refs were as good that game as they've been all season. Certainly some excellent tweaks compared to the last round.

He's a burst scorer, and an awesome one at that, but not a guy who can produce that in spurts. It's almost like he has an epiphany that lasts for a few minutes and he nails a few daggers in that space.

Both he and Lisch were awesome tonight, I think the answer to that question is neither, they are both super players in their own way.

I think Bevo too often runs a second unit with little firepower - there were patches tonight of moving the ball around but without seeming to have a goal. Why would you have Penney or Lisch both sitting at the same time when they can make things happen? Demos and White is certainly looking like doubling up with Rhys out - why have them on together, and add Davidson who no longer looks for a shot?

Here's my recap http://wildcatsviews.com/2015/11/11/perth-wildcats-stun-the-hawks-again/

Dunno what was sweeter, the win or the egg on the face for all the haters talking smack ;)

Also I applaude the refs for calling the flop on Jervis, not calling the charges when players flopped and for tagging Jawai for the USM for pulling at jerseys. First steps to cleaning up the NBL. Hope it continues.

I didn't think the Jervis flop call was a particularly good one, TBH. I thought he got hit in exactly the right spot to knock him off balance. If he'd taken the same hit to the chest, sure.

For me, I think without that injection of intensity and scoring off the bench that Jarrad Weeks provided for the Hawks they just couldn't seem to cover his loss...

How quickly we forget!

I'm also not confident that the Hawks unit are that fit.

They give a lot of their main players extended breaks, but they still find a way to run out of puff in the last few minutes. Not really just physical fatigue but also mental

9 games played - they've been outscored in the 4th in 7 of those games and have tied one game in 4th quarter scoring.

Also, I have mentioned Davidson before, he has been a veteran and obviously done lots in his career, but he is passed it and it is time for a younger player to back up Ogilvy on that roster IMHO...

koberulz, certainly a flop IMO.

You could tell he wanted to take a charge and he was hoping Penney would try take him on the sideline. He had in his mind 'i'm going to hit the deck here because i reckon he"ll come straight at me' - when he didn't it was an obvious flop/falling to the ground.

Jervis knew it was a flop as well. Got straight back up and huddled with the Perth players.

It's an interesting one, because there was contact and that level of contact is regularly called a charge in the NBL.

I'd have no problem with that tech if the charge/block was called properly in the NBL and 'plankers' who anchor their feet and let the contact take them backwards weren't regularly rewarded. But they are, so I think Jervis was harshly done by.

paul, couldn't disagree more. That level of contact is not generally a charge.

Again, you are looking at the result. Seeing a big man go down and presuming that the contact is the same as contact which is regularly called a charge.

It's not the contact which is the same, it's the result.

And the fact that the result is the same as other charges means absolutely nothing.

I've got no problems with the Jervis flop call. I have a problem with no warning being given to Lisch a few minutes later.

#694 is that true? That doesn't make sense. You can be guilty of committing a foul AND flopping in the same play. The refs can also be guilty of getting both wrong on the same play which is the exact reason why players continue to flop.

"paul, couldn't disagree more."

Right back at you. Look at Wagstaff defending Conklin in the post the previous week, or Goulding defending Webster. Similar contact from Ogilvy on Knight sent Matty flying earlier in last night's game but he wasn't warned for a flop.

I could find hundreds of examples in the NBL where players get contact, plank and fall backwards and get a call, or at the least aren't warned.

Until they fix how they call the charge/block I think only Patty Mills/Mick Penisi level flops should be getting techs, otherwise you're adding another level of impact from the refs' inconsistency.

^ +1

It was a flop.
Whether you want to call it a flopping tech or just leave it unwhistled is debatable. Ultimately in the long term, just calling nothing is probably fine, but in this current climate of trying to improve the game, I like that being called a flop. There's no way that contact should have forced Jervis to the floor.
Good call, refs.

... and as far as precedent goes, in terms of what has been called in the past - who cares. That's missing the point, which is that we are trying to make the game the ideal standard, not trying to replicate the problems of the past.

It's not about that past, it's about what's happening now. Similar contact in the same game/round is being called a charge, block and flop. It's ridiculous and needs to be fixed.

If the refs can't get the charge/block right, which as a whole they're a mile off at the moment, they shouldn't have the added responsibility of governing flops.

I'm all for getting rid of what Jervis did last night, but you won't achieve that with flopping techs while you're still rewarding it with charges.

Right, so stop rewarding charges then.

* rewarding WITH charges

I'm with you 100% on that one! For mine, you only call certain charges, and then review flops by video during the week.

Public naming and shaming will deal with this a lot quicker than the occasional tech, and so will players being left on their backsides with their team a defender short. You don't see many guys planking in Europe because they don't get the call.

OK look, I agree that policing flops should not be the sole responsibility of the refs. It's a big ask for them to judge that in the heat of the moment, and a post-game review system is going to be more reliable.

But that said, if a ref sees one that they are sure of, and they call it, then I applaud that too. Because penalties during a game are more meaningful than a fine during the week, and are more likely to result in a change of behaviour IMO. A fine 2 days later doesn't stop the Wildcats flopping their way through the 4th quarter trying to get calls, but that tech did.

So I'm just saying credit where it's due to that ref. I'm not suggesting that's the only way it can/should be dealt with though.

It was a correct call, no doubt, but like I said it's pointless while similar acts get a charge, the reward is there to still do it.

As you said, stop calling soft charges and the problem largely goes away as there is no incentive.

I also reckon with NBL social media as strong as it is, players being called out midweek for their charges would be quite a disincentive.

Paul your quite public that the Nbl refs don't call charges correctly
What happens in the Nbl lots is offensive players drive at the Defense & lean in causing contact
They start to dislodge the defender & then the defenders are not so strong so they fall back, giving the contact plenty of "sauce"

If the ball handler CAUSES the contact down the middle & dislodges the defender shouldn't this still be called a charge even though the defender protects themselves by falling?

I agree that situations like Goulding defending Webster last week is a flop because he went backwards by about six steps for slight contact but it seems like you want no charge fouls in the game

I think the good Refs can call them when deserved

Sorry anon with the FIBA rules, wasn't saying you were incorrect. Just saying that the interpretation doesn't do much to solve the problem. I actually think it adds to it.

I disagree Rag, I think charges are called too often in Australia (not just the NBL) when the defender isn't displaced, rather they take contact at the spot and let it take them to ground,and also when the defender has established legal guarding position.

If you watch the NBA or European basketball, once the defender is beaten they tend to open their stance and defend alongside the ball-handler, relying on help defence behind them.

In the NBL defenders are far more happy to create contact in that situation knowing there is a good chance they'll get a charge call.

The same goes for elevating players. In the NBL a defender who steps in after the offensive player has elevated will rarely be called for a block, they'll usually get a charge or no call. In the NBA and Europe the elevating player is better protected.

The two factors mentioned above - along with how blocked shots are whistled - encourages a more athletic game in Europe and the USA, whereas in Australia the safest defensive play is to get contact on the ground, and the smart offensive play is not to elevate at the basket.

Just my thoughts on the chargeflop. It's either a charge or nothing. If the players flopsdives leave him sprawled on the court. It leaves the defense one man down whilst he's laying there, pretty sure coach will get up him if an easy basket results from him laying on the floor for no good reason.

It's important to remember it's a very hard call for the refs, one of the toughest in any sport, but that's why leadership is needed from above.

At the moment Alby Joseph is saying he just wants each charge/block/flop called on its merits, but without full-time refs and with a real variance in skill level amongst the panel that is just delivering inconsistency.

Apart from the charge/block/flop I think the reffing's been ok this season, but the charge/block/flop is an absolute mess. I thought they called it pretty well last night, particularly Brad Giersch, but there needs to be more consistency across the panel.

It looks to me like Lisch pushes off Jervis, first from Jervis's hip and then down onto his thigh. Not hard, but with the location and direction of the pressure I can see Jervis's leg legitimately giving out there.

paul, i think the high charge rate also comes from the way guys attack the rim in the NBL..overseas they will sidestep contact, move in the air, go around or through

What I have noticed in the NBL is that some players are so one-dimensional in the way they attack the rim that theyl just bowl people over. They only have a north south flow.

I do agree that refs need to stop calling charges when players are going north east/north west and the guy taking the charge is not square. You do see some bad ones in the NBL. A few east/west calls too!!

*Drops 26 dolla beals..*

"You break my ankles, I'll break your heart".

The NBL players I see in international competitions and overseas leagues don't commit more charges than others. I certainly wouldn't call too many guys one dimensional in the NBL, it's a very multi-skilled league.

Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the amount of charges in the NBL compared to some other leagues, but the what constitutes a charge and the affect that has on how players defend.

The NBL is a high-penetration league, and more players are encouraged to penetrate than in some league, so there will be probably be more charges.

But in Australia, not just the NBL, we seem to call the charge/block in the defence's favour. When you watch a lot of overseas ball you see if there is doubt it usually goes in favour of the offence.

Back when Peter Carey couldn't figure out how to make the ref review videos on YouTube private, I watched through them and at one point it specifically said block/charge was to be called in favour of the defence. So unless that's changed, it's not just a matter of 'seem to'.

Mal Cooper told refs to call it in favour of the offence, this year my understanding is Alby Joseph isn't giving them a particular way to call it when they are in doubt.