from that second angle from the video it looks like the elbow could have been held very stiff but not actually traveling directly into Martins face, just traveling down as Martin came into it.

If Conklin had been elbows "up" and reverse pivoting, thus traveling the elbow directly into martins face it would be more obviously an unintentional blow ( and a really really heavier one) that could also have seen more clearly to be unintentional as there would have been no sight line from Conklin to Martin from Conklin's viewpoint.

Cant even see clearly in Slow mo if Conklin had any vision on Martin's path towards him, It does seem strange that there could be a broken jaw, and Conklin has not damaged his arm/elbow as well.

Its impossible to know what Conklin was thinking, he could well have thought initially that Martin was not really heavily hit, and that staying around was just going to give one of the more fiery Perth players a chance to start a ruckus.

It seems a real disaster, Martin being the Perth guy getting the worst of it , and Conklin looking more like a cross between Grant Kruger and Redhauge.

Its the threats from the coach that worry me.

After the Childress precedent it would be completely inconsistent to suspend Conklin.

I would be surprised if he gets found guilty. Accidental act with Damo in wrong place at wrong time. Brian and rest of league should be taking note though of high elbows and more importantly needs to be monitored better by referees. Like the elbow foul called on Jervis last week during hawks game after he got offensive rebound. Although at the time I thought the call was shite, watching it on tv later agreed with the call.

I do believe however that Gleeson's comments should be cited and sanctioned. Make him miss a game! We might actually then beat the crocs! Lol

For an incident like that I think it's difficult to prove or disprove intent.
If they decide there was any intent in it then he'll be missing a lot of games, but even if there was actually intent on Conklin's part, I don't see how it can be demonstrated by that video evidence.
There's nothing there I can point to. And the people that have been claiming it was "clearly" intentional are still et to come up with anything I consider convincing.

He'll get a holiday on the basis that Martin was so injured.

I'm a Cats fan and it is reckless rather than deliberate.

Gleeson should STFU too

It's going to depend on exactly what is meant by "striking." IN the AFL (and other sports) contact can be graded my severity and level of intent.
I don't think, on available evidence, they could find him guilty of intentionally striking, but "reckless" or "negligent" contact absolutely possible.

But when U'U gets ejected for the WWE takedown of Torrey Craig it's just tough finals basketball from Gleeson. WAYNE KERR!

Does anyone outside of Perth and their fanbase think it was intentional?

On purpose. He saw Martin coming so moved in his path enough to make contact. He knew he hit him hard, that's why he didn't look back.

I guess Hire wasn't happy because Conklin looked at his bench then they all smiled.

Thats right. Isn't it important for the league to be looking at incidents that result in serious injuries?

"Redhage on the other hand........wish he got KO'd"

Wow!

Because not much more needs to be said about U'u. We agree that it was an unsportsmanlike and reckless act and if he'd been punished, we'd accept it.

We wouldn't waste time saying "but Craig did something to him 14 minutes earlier so he was just retaliating"

Andrew Gaze demanding Conk gets 6 weeks. That is a bit to over the top.

Thats almost shutting him down for a year. Seems like thats his go-to comment.

"Redhage on the other hand........wish he got KO'd"

Wow indeed. What a poor excuse for a human you are #737. Your probably one of these people that cheered when he almost ended his career with the dislocated hip injury. Your a disgrace to the 36ers fan base.

it was a total accident. Conklin put off balance by a Perth player, and turned into Damo coming from behind for the steal.

Unfortunate , YES, deliberate NO.

It looked pretty deliberate to me. Deliberate or not, however, there was too much force involved and the action was reckless and negligent. Conklin should be punished on those grounds at least.

As for Gleeson, he spoke in the heat of the moment and was obviously upset, but there is no place in basketball for veiled threats to other teams/players. I'm sure he has realised this by now and regrets his words.

The fact they've charged him with striking suggests they'll have to prove it was intentional. Given the accused and the victim both say it wasn't, and the video evidence is inconclusive, that's going to be hard to do.

Can they downgrade/amend the charge during the hearing? I think they have done that before but obviously applied a lesser penalty.

Do they even have a charge for reckless striking etc?

Did Gaze really come out and say he should get six weeks?

According to this article in The West, yes, he did
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/30015373/hostile-arena-awaits-crocs/

Gazey, Turn it up!

He does seem to have lost the plot when it comes to the NBL, yeah

The way i see it if i get drunk and drive my car and hit someone in the process injuring them then I'm accountable for my actions. The defense of "I didn't mean to hurt anyone it was an accident" would be thrown out of the court in a jiffy.

If Conklin is deemed to be flailing his elbows and arms around then he needs to be accountable for the damage that that has occurred no matter what his intentions were.

I'm with Gaze on this one, "IF" hes found guilty hit him hard. If he's not guilty then so be it, but you cant find a guy guilty of breaking a guys jaw then let him off with a one game ban for breaking someones jaw.

Horrible analogy Train. By driving drunk you are breaking the law, something that can be proven. At this stage, there is no proof Conklin was doing anything that breached the rules of basketball.

@Paul - I think you misunderstood my comment. I never said that he was breaking the rules or that I thought he was. I said "IF" he was found guilty or breaking the rules he should be hit hard considering the damage he caused.

I've seen the footage and unfortunately I don't have the level of expertise of background to determine if he did or not.

Never in that comment did I say he was guilty or that I thought that.

No problem with that, my issue is with the comparison between drink driving and a flailing arm.

Train your analogy also falls over based on intent.

For example, if I get in a car drunk and hit and hurt/kill someone by accident, I will receive a lesser penalty than if I get drunk and intentionally run into someone and hurt/kill them.
Intent will play a part in the charge you face as well as in sentencing (along with a whole lot of other things), should you be found guilty.

OK maybe the analogy could of been better but you get my point though.

My take on the incident.

From early on basketballers are trained that when they have the ball above their head and defenders approach to pull (rip)the ball down and through with your elbows out. The reason you elbows are out is that it is the natural way to carry out that motion and also to protect the ball.

Any basketballers ever done this drill?

Conklin was doing just that. When the ball was dislodged by the foul you just cant stop your momentum (because no ball and foul called) and in fact the effort to rip the ball through contact can actually cause an acceleration once the contact/ball has unexpectedly been released.

Players also over emphasise this movement(flailing of arms all the time). CJ (the retired bald one), Goulding, Redhage, Wagstaff, Wortho and yes Conklin, off the top of my head, are some of the more adept at this tactic.

No one has ever made an attempt to stamp this out or even stop coaches drilling this because it may inadvertently injure a person coming in from the blind side.

This is exactly what happened. It was my first thought and after many viewings it is still what I believe.

Just an sad accident. If it is indeed found the be illegal then some one better get to work fixing up that chapter in the coaching manual.

He's been cleared.

He's been cleared and will play tonight.

Happy ending. We get to abuse him this evening after all
:-)

Going to be a whistle-fest tonight, lol

haha I reckon the ratings on this game should be through the roof for Foxtel :P

Given how bad he's playing this season, the best punishment is to make him play tonight! Can't wait for this game.

The only bigger joke than the BS charge is Gaze saying he should get 6 weeks. He might have been our best player ever but I really get sick of him being wheeled out in front of the media as some kind of spokesperson for the game. Do any of these media clowns realise his IQ is probably lower than his average ppg? Sportspeople are not famous for their intellect or critical thinking ability so why would anybody care about their opinion. Judging from Gleeson's comments, you can Include him in the limited intellect crew too.