Yep
Years ago
2016 WA SBL
Thought it would be good to have a new thread going for 2016 SBL. Early I know, but hey.....
Greeny
Years ago
Some clubs need new coaches for 2016
Lakeside men
Joondalup women
Stirling women
Suns women
Any others? And has anyone heard who might get the jobs
Zap
Years ago
Some clubs need a complete rebuild including a new administration and new direction from the ground up if they ever want respect. Including:
* Willetton.
* OK actually it's just Willetton.
Anon
Years ago
Perth surely need a new Mens Coach, they spent almost as much as the Wildcats.
More than just Willo need a change, perhaps starting at the top.
mc
Years ago
can't wait to see my good good friend dennis t at willo with kyle he will look good in blue
rinse
Years ago
Is that the biggest troll ever or what?^ Willetton need a complete rebuild from the ground up INCLUDING ADMINISTRATION??
Do you even know who their admins are?
What these admins do?
How much influence they have on SBL?
Pretty poor observation saying the best WABL association, largest association and best developmental association for the last 10 seasons needs a complete overhaul from the bottom up.
I think the point may have been when you spend a truckload of coin on buying two championships and fail miserably, someone needs to be held accountable
Not sure how they are the best development association when they have to recruit so heavily just to exit in the first round.
Who won all the awards at the dinner over the weekend? Facebook shows the all star teams thats it. MVP's? Pretty poor..
Ray Turner and Sami Whitcomb were the MVP's. Rhys Vague was MIP. Matt Parsons and Randy Miegel were COY. They seemed to post everything on Twitter while Facebook got a quarter of it
R@nD0m
Years ago
Perth have re-signed Lackovic. Have heard the exodus from the red and blacks mens list will be very significant because of the re-appointment! Ash not in the running at Lakeside - maybe someone like a Tom Knowles could fill that position given his coaching experience and background with the club, but he has done a heap of work with that Women's program so wouldn't be surprised to see him stay in that role. Slammers need to recruit outside of Bunbury coaching wise if they want to keep the momentum Harrelson created.
I completely agree with Rinse - Why hate Willetton aside from its easy to do because they are so successful at wabl / sbl. It appears to me trolls on here are jealous of the Tigers success / club culture, when compared to their own personal club. Parker has done amazing in the past 18 months up there with the Women's program and yes we all know Blacky spent $$ on this years squad, but because they don't win the Championship, ppl have this sense of entitlement to just jump on here and abuse the club.
Unless those same trolls are willing to actually be pro-active rather than reactive and get on a board themselves, volunteer countless hours each week to ensure the club runs smoothly and not expect any thanks for it - I don't see how those same trolls who hide behind fake ID's can then jump on a forum and criticise the people who are actively contributing to WA Basketball by doing their best to ensure their respective clubs keep running on a day-to-day basis.
Instead of pointless, immature comments which made a significant % of the last 200 posts on the previous SBL thread, how's about you show a little bit of guts - post a name some ppl can recognise you by and actually come up with ideas which can help the SBL / Basketball in WA! My ideas for 2016:
* Week 1 Grand Final Replays - Create some genuine interest in the League from the outset, with the Champions hosting the respective Runners Up (Tigers @ Rocko / Slammers @ Joondalup)
* ANZAC Long Weekend - Use this significant weekend (ANZAC Day falls on a Monday next year) to engage the local Defence Force community with SBL Clubs in a Derby matchup on the Monday. Have Mandurah play @ Rocko and invite local RSLs & HMAS Stirling Officers to the game / Have Stirling play @ Joondalup & have local RSLs from up that way as well as staff from RAAF Pearce attend the game (B Lawrie would be the obvious contact there) Make it more than just about the Basketball to celebrate our history. Maybe the league could take a leaf out of the NCAA and create some custom Camo uniforms for the two sets of Games then auction them off and donate the proceedings to the local RSL?
* Bring back SBL Slam Radio. Cech and Craig as well as Sonshine FM did a great job this year - and if your club didn't feel as though they got enough exposure through the program then email the guys each week with updates on what's happening at your club! The boys can't advertise for each club if you're not giving them any info!!
* Get rid of the ridiculous qualifying tournament for 14s Touring Teams at the start of the year!
A) Its not a fully timed carnival so it loses most credibility straight away. Why have a qualifying tournament for a National Championships if its not going to be played under those conditions. Either have some kind of knockout Tournament over 2 weeks with nominated teams playing two fully timed games per day (Sat & Sunday) until you are left with the relevant number of teams - or look at other alternatives such as WABL Finals (As it used to be) or other options.
B) If your argument is teams can stack their teams with the way the Grading system is going to come in for WABL 14s in 2016 then cool, have it as the two Grand Finalists from State Champs U13s Championship Division qualify as the two automatic touring teams then have a playoff for 3 v 4 if only three teams go away. That way you're giving some purpose to State Champs again for the younger age groups, AND you're giving those teams who do qualify an extra three months to fundraise - especially if they have to travel to Far North Queensland or Tassie!
I am sure there is more I could write down but how's about we actually be creative and help Bowls and the BWA staff out with some proactive ideas which we can move forward with - rather than just trolling on here on how much you despise Player As Mole or how you think an entire club needs an overhaul because YOU weren't good enough to make their team at WABL tryouts ten years ago and still have that hate towards them... #justsayin!
interested observer
Years ago
Part 1 - A report card and opinion on what is needed for 2016...
Going by final positions...
Wolves
Grade = A
2015 - There are a lot of aspects to make a successful coach but Ettridge definitely excels in his recruiting and management of the squad. To assemble the team and then keep them all happy shows he is strong in this area.
A team that wins the championship automatically gets an A, but with this roster anything less would have been a failure.
I don't think we really ever saw this team reach full potential and a lot would have to do with Timms coming off injury, Damo working off the rust, Questel adjusting to new environment.
If this roster is retained it will dominate the league in 2016.
2016 - Simply keep the roster together and a back-to-back championship would be guaranteed.
Slammers
Grade = A-
2015 = A very interesting season with a roller coaster ride. Started the season on fire and then went through a number of losing streaks. If they kept the American players healthy then they were always going deep into playoffs.
Ty is also great at recruiting and keeping the team together. His recruits didn't come with great credentials but really fit well into the system.
Having Ty in and out of the team during playoffs was interesting but worked out in the end. I think Slammers got the raw end of this deal, support him for sure but missing playoff games to travel to the US is not acceptable based on the time and $ put into the team in last couple of years...
2016 - I expect a quick slide down the ladder as losing Ty as player and coach will really hurt them. Can Weeden recover from knee injury, and if he does they will go to having 3 americans and not able to compete with top teams.
Flames
Grade = B
2015 - Very solid effort from Flames and great to see them continue to develop local talent and give them opportunities.
Cooper one of best imports in league, and although Taylor is a solid player and a great guy, I think they needed more of a scoring wing to really compete with top teams.
Godfrey was great at times but average at others, they need to him to continually be scoring 20+.
Remmers was servicable this season but needs a big pre-season to really get back to his best.
2016 = Probably will replace both Land brothers, and lose some of the vets on team. Need to get a couple of great imports to bridge the transition of their younger brigade. With Simpson, Godfrey, Roberts, and a couple of the younger guys coming through the future looks bright...
Buccs
Grade = B-
2015 = If they can ever get the 2nd import spot (or 3rd import spot...) right then they will be in GF with Wolves... Not sure on the count but it must be 4 or 5 players through that 2nd spot over last couple of season.
Wunders is just getting better and better as he gets older. And team has played together so long that they handle most situations.
2016 = window is rapidly closing on championship for this roster. If Lewis plays in UK then he must be classified as import on return and Buccs won't win it with just Lewis and Cook.
Ralph and Wunders must be seriously thinking of life after bball.
They need Thomas to get back to his best and be the starting PG as Wrensted is just not up to being a starting PG at SBL level.
Can't see any youth coming through so 2016 might be their last roll of the dice...
Giants
Grade = A
2015 = Had probably the best second half of the season from any team and really came together when it counted, which is very impressive considering the start of the year.
Two good imports and Mua were obviously the main contributors and carried the team for large parts. Solid season from Hurst and a couple of the other Aussie guys.
Not sure if Franich makes a comeback from ACL injury but this could put them in top 2...
Haney had a great first season and it begs the question of why he didn't get the opportunity to coach a couple of seasons ago? Maybe he didn't put his hand up?
2016 = Giants need some stability in the roster and then just make minor tweaks. Keep the big 3, add Franich back in and possibly pick up one more Aussie that would be top 8 in roster. Maybe chase Nebo Franich to play with brother...
Cougars
Grade = A
2015 = Written off as wooden spooners by most at the start of the year, before we all knew they were getting imports. And going with a new coach that was largely unproven.
What a year they had and really showed that if you can come together as a team that you can compete with anyone...
Coach Parsons proved that he can definitely coach a squad that lacked some of the talent and depth of other teams.
2016 = Must keep Field, hopefully get another season out of Davey and Sheldon, potentially upgrade one of imports and try and add some big man depth (easier said than done)
Tigers
Grade = C
2015 = a lot of talk in pre-season of a dominant team and they started the year well. But the sacrifice of average imports to get Kyle and Scott on the same roster probably cost them of being a contender.
Ended the season terribly and got lucky that teams like Magic, Redbacks, Lakeside were even worse at the latter parts of season.
From the outside it appeared there may have been some issues in how they gelled on the court. Both Armour and Scott need a lot of the ball to be effective and both dropped significantly from previous years.
Noordhoek, Burston, and Casey had limited opportunity to develop which might be an issue next season.
If Easley becomes unrestricted next season then they upgrade on imports then they will be top 4.
2016 = need to look at the oncourt cohesion of this team, a lot of skilled players but not really complimenting each other. Not sure they will be able to keep the roster together, but if they can have Easley as unrestricted and add some quality imports then this looks like a top four roster and then it is just getting them playing together...
Hawks
Grade = C-
2015 = Made a massive mistake in recruiting the 7 footer and then taking too long to get rid of him. If a solid import was there from the start then this team would have been in playoff contention a lot earlier than the last couple of games.
A bit of bad luck with injuries didn't help there cause. If Dixon and Cassir were available earlier then it would have really helped.
2016 = Need to get their import spots right early this time around... Get a good 3man and 5man (nothing over 6'9") and they will be top 6.
The rest later...
Both coaching positions up at Lakeside with Darren Nash stepping down yesterday, and Olley last week.
Joe Tupaea taking on the role at East Perth full time for 2016.
Anoneemuss
Years ago
*Mike Ellis the new Mens Head Coach for Stirling
*Jason Kyle remains Mens coach at Mandurah
*Further to random's post - AJ, Taiwhiti & BOTH americans not back there next year if Perth report is true
*Rhys Vague on the market with no nbl ties at Eagles anymore
Jason Kyle is safe for another year, but be prepared for a mass exodus from Mandurah as well. Ben Smith, Dellas, Gerovich likely on the move. Hafford told he is not required for next year (interesting note that Mandurah's female import Davis has also been told she wont be required next year). Both were shipped out of the country pretty fast and under strained relationships with the club.
Looking forward to another year of the walking ego on the sidelines at the Uni.
Flipside
Years ago
With all the "supposed movers" when can clubs start talking to players from other clubs? Or is this like the salary cap and referee evaluations, more of a concept than an actual "thing"?
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
MVP Ray Turner performing the haka with the Wellington Saints Invitational team at the 2015 William Jones Cup: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/basketball/71919767/american-basketballers-honoured-to-perform-haka-on-wellington-saints-tour
Anon
Years ago
Players can be contacted 2 weeks after the Grand Final but that has been broken many, many times in the past.
Contracts can be signed from now.
it must be
was everyone just as shocked as me that Lako actually got on the previous thread and posted all his achievements?
^ who gives a crap
What teams still have to announce coaches? Lakeside announced theirs yesterday
Any news on "little" Ben Smith and Corey Easley to the Slammers??
Anon
Years ago
Good luck with Voelkel and Louis Thomas as your "zone busters"!!
Prediction - Curtains at Curtin.
Anon
Years ago
Lako does realise this is a basketball forum and not Linkdin?
So he comes on the forum to defend being labelled as being into himself.... by posting a message which confirmed how into himself he is. Hahaha you couldn't make this stuff up!
Lol at Lako, the guy wears a suit at games seriously, to the poster who said Ben Smith has been approached by the Slammers, please expand
AnkleBreaker
Years ago
Lacko is desperate to be regarded as a good coach, and believes he can progress to the NBL level.
Had the players, got the suit....check! Now how to coach!
Anonaback
Years ago
As I read Lacko's spiel, all I could hear in my head was "Prestige Worldwide"..."Boats and Hoes!"
Slammers 2016 - Best scenario (unlikely if not impossible)
Also, if the rumours are true
PG. Nichols, Phillips, Sears
SG. B.Smith, Hitchcock, J.Weir
SF. Import, R.Smith
PF. Worthington, Easley, J.Smith
C. Weeden, Hickert, Keller
13 strong with England x2, Bell, King, Germs and Kamocha waiting in the wings
Can they bring in 3 Smiths for next season. Strong front court able to cover Clive if in doubt for a lot of the season. Bring in Ben Smith (apparently been "approached") and if the new import offers what Brian did or anything close, they are probably a better team (granted this highly unlikely).
Rumours are that Corey Easley is set to become naturalised so this is based on that happening.
In. Import, B.Smith, C.Easley, R.Smith, J.Smith, J.Weir (did not play a game last season)
Out. T.Harrelson, B.Voelkel, B.Canzirri, J.England, C.Bell
Thoughts???
Carl Steb
Years ago
Nicky
You said you won sbl championships?
I know you won one as a player at redbacks where are the others?
Anonaback
Years ago
Redbacks preseason meeting...
http://youtu.be/ciS914MaDl8
Natural is better
Years ago
A general SBL question - what is a ballpark figure or a range that a SBL import would be paid? Do they get part-time jobs at the club too to make ends meet?
Any team other than Cockburn announced any player movement yet?
Greeny
Years ago
Imports min. $500 plus car, accommodation and health cover.
Hmm, the Hawks big fella did better in almost every statistic than the Hawks little fella who is now a DP.
There has been much talk about players leaving redbacks but has there been any word on anyone being recruited in? There are always those looking for more opportunity and with reported mass exodus down there surely there would be some guys interested in going even just for opportunity. Much like chan and Holmes in moving to Suns last season.
Someone has to talk to Ben Smith and ask this question ^^
Who have Cockburn announced as player movements, only seen Doccy not coming back as coach next year as their only announcement
bowtie
Years ago
Surprised that it's still $500 per week for the imports on a Sports Visa. The extras in accom and car and health cover have always been there. The quality. for those things, varies considerably. The money issue was at $500 back in the 90's. Never heard of an import who doesn't have to run junior clinics or be available for the junior clubs affiliated with their SBL club. Even do paperwork in the office? Do they have to stay around for awards' nights etc? Didn't used to be included in the contract. SBL clubs used to have their wind ups immediately they were out of the comp so the imports would be present. SEABL have much stricter contracts but the imports do a lot better.
Would be very surprised if either Smith or Easley head to the Slammers. More likely to see Easley stay with Willo and Smith to remain with a metro team.
Someone on the other thread said the name of the new cougars import. They should continue to improve with a good young team provided they keep giving minutes to Pesava.
Slammers will have no one next year, starting line up will be Nichols, Hitchcock, Weir, Worthington and Hickert with no bench depth
In the web...
Years ago
Ben Smith not happy at Redbacks. Made to be the scapegoat in many games. Lacko continually brought up "bad Suns habits" when things inevitably would go wrong in games.
Sooner he gets a new team, the sooner he gets back to being one of the best shooters in the league not held back by u:16 style offenses. Hope he lands at a contender. Could tip them the right way come playoffs....
With rent being expensive compared to the 90s $500 isn't that bad. Effectively getting more since rents are way more now vs. back then.
Web of lies
Years ago
How can a person be a scapegoat when they are a defensive sieve? 37% FG is top notch right? Did the "system" make him give up all those layups? It must've been the system that made him shoot contested 3's instead of pass or be patient.
C'mon friend of Ben, he was not very good last season. Some was his fault, some was on The Greatest SBL Coach EVERRRRRRRRR.
hahaha in the web
this is not the first player from suns to be pegged with 'bad suns habits' while coached by Lako
Justin Brown apparently had developed many bad habits at 33 years of age after playing a few years up there.
the realest
Years ago
500 dollars sucks if that's your only income and its 500 AUD which would have been better 2 years ago keep that in mind that's like living off Centrelink congrats you made it haha
It's a working six month holiday for a young 20 something more than a stable career.
"bad Suns habits" f'in LOL!
people complaining about earning $500 a week with free car and accommodation need to just get a dose of reality.
there are guys who have dominated in the sbl now playing in Europe earning less than this in much better leagues. they train every day and in cases twice a day, plus do camps and clinics, cant speak the languague and play a 56+ game season.
Coming to Perth, one of the most beautiful cities in Australia, training (if you can call it that) twice a week, going to the beach, having bucket loads of free time, free accom, car, health insurance, gym and a 26 game season cannot be that bad.
Yeah Euro teams pay less than that... haha good one. But the pros of SBL you mention I agree with. Cruisey.
you would be suprised.
I have two close friends playing in good leagues over there earning less than $500 AUD a week. Talking to other players who have also played in these leagues they also confirm this is common.
there is a false generalisation that the euro leagues and even NBA D league all pay well. a lot of NBA D League players earn less than what is paid here also
if you factor in things like the language barrier, cultural differences, weather etc the SBL is actually a very attractive and comfortable place to play.
Yeah but when ppl think Euro it is the top division.
If your friends are ballers who won't let go of their pro hoop dreams and playing in Div 2 in some obscure Euro country of course you will get paid that. But I get your comparison because it's kind of like Americans who aren't the best playing SBL vs. Aussies going over to Euro playing a similar standard so I get your point now.
the realest
Years ago
Good country doesn't equal good league. Playing in France and Spain is great until your in the 5th league. But whatever I am not here to argue. I am here to giggle.
Yeah ok but you got to expect ppl when they hear Europe they don't think as far down as a div5 they are thinking of a top division where money flows.
and yeah I'm here for the lulz anymore quality Lako quotes? hahahahha
Web of lies
Years ago
I'll assume the "good" League is the BBL.
It's not a top tier League over there. Its disingenuous to say Imports get less there as I bet at least one of your mates is playing as a local.
Look at dudes like Stan Okoye or Lee Roberts, they are on more than any figure stated here.
the realest
Years ago
BBL is not a good league but you would be looking at 3 a month I assume top level Germany big bucks 2nd league Germany and 3rd league similar to the BBL. The real money is in the middle east and asian countries where you can make nice coin while not being a great talent.
Will the real Lacko
Years ago
please stand up......and tell us how to beat a 2-3 zone.
Or how to pay so many players for so few wins.
Or how many ties it takes to win a game?
the realest
Years ago
Anyways back to the rumours whats going on out there alot of chatter but no insider knowledge out there?
You beat a 2-3 zone by getting out of bad Suns habits, duh!
i guess those bad suns habits were in full swing when the redbacks were one of 2 teams to lose to the suns in 2015
C'mon now
Years ago
Everyone knows if Lacko loses its the refs fault.
Who is Salads Josh Throne ？
http://pickandroll.com.au/red-bull-reign-crowns-2015-champs-melbourne/
Josh Throns
Years ago
Josh Throns was the captains of the salads. The team consisted of him, Ben Puser, Kyle armer and an asian guy they flew in from japan just for the event. They walked away with 20k prize money. Not a bad investment. I also heard they macked heaps of girls and that Josh Garlepp is a kewl dude
http://basketball.australiabasket.com/player/Australia/Stirling_Senators/Josh_Throns/285815
meggsie
Years ago
after seeing my girl "" doccy "" back home . ithought she may have come home after not coaching anymore over west. just been told by a good source she is playing for willeton club. keep turning those wheels girl
Anonymous
Years ago
Willo - Where the best junior program in the state doesn't count for anything against INSTANT success and a good size chequebook. If you were a parent of one of the younger Tigers D League Girls / Under 18 Girls, what sort of message does this signing send to them "Yeah look we really have loved you propping up our wabl teams to win the Gillam Trophy all those years but now Perry Lakes have won it, we feel we need to focus on winning SBL more by just buying players"
Huh
Years ago
^^ what a dumb ass comment.
At the end of the day its a business & the business of winning. Get over it or send your girls to a new club.
triton
Years ago
Huh...u da man. So right....BTW...A Couple of Gillam wins in the last 5 or so years doesn't make you the best junior club for development...laughable...
Anon
Years ago
I heard Doccy could've stayed at Cockburn but they had to choose between paying her a bunch or spending that cash on Imports.
Really
Years ago
Not sure I will believe this one until I see it. Willo obviously do spend cash on players and go with that model but I wouldn't have thought the offer was that good to take her away from the coaching role etc.
Anon
Years ago
Don't think she even had the option of accepting. The Club made the decision.
I thought Willo had to have 80% willo juniors in their SBL and WSBL programs?
jojo
Years ago
Heard the same roumer about doccy, also just saw on redbacks website that they have signed ash gilmore and rebbecca mercer and lisa wall button and more to come so same could be said for their juniors except if I was one of the young players at these clubs I would be rapped to have such great talents to learn from
R@ndom
Years ago
Apparently Throns dunked on Lamar copeland in the final of the redbull three on three comp and in the process his dick grew three sizes. Meanwhile jg was crying in WA.
Clive Nicholis
Years ago
apparently salads have applied for an SBL license with their winnings from the tournament. Red Bull has offred to back them.
If this is true its a coup for the league. Well done boiz
How old is Gilmore now? Didn't she last play in 2010?
Wolfpack Basketball
Years ago
http://www.wolfpackbasketball.com.au/news/general_news/craig_friday_appointed_head_coach_of_lady_wolfpack/296
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialWolfpackBasketball
Twitter & Instagram @WolfpackSBL
Did the Suns end up signing that import guy who was playing down at Lakeside on Thurs night A grade?
WA made the final of the 3 on 3 in melbourne?? surely not with that sqaud. Is basketball in australia that bad now days?
What are you talking about? Have you watched 3 on 3? It's not normal basketball, they had the perfect team for it. All good athletes, decent handles to get to the rim. And Garlepp.
You Sandgropers need to start ripping on BWA like the Croweaters do so well when it comes to BSA.
Crive Nicholas
Years ago
We all just know BWA is screwed up at pretty much every level, so why talk about it.
rinse
Years ago
Wow some pretty uneducated and generally hater based comments on here. What ever happened to these forums?!... Oh wait, nothing.
Do some of the posters on here seriously believe that Willetton as an Association base their success of SBL championships? Who won the SBL 2 years ago. East Perth. But guess what, no one cares!!! Take nothing away from them, but you have to ask yourself, ask soon as 12 months passes people forget.
The SBL program isn't the lifeblood of Willetton, I know that for a fact. They have a huge Junior competition. A good WABL program and a history of excellence. Ask anyone in the state which associationS are the best at what they do and they'd be lying if they didn't say Willetton, Perry Lakes or Joondalup. State teams are stacked with players from these associations. It all comes down to your measuring stick. If it's:
-participation ... Willetton have it covered
- finance .... Willetton have it covered
- player development (WABL) ... Willetton have it covered. Well done to Perry Lakes on winning the Gillam Trophy, and it was decided on grand final day where the Hawks won way more finals than the Tigers. Doesn't mean that Willettons WABL program is a failure, finishing second?!
- SBL success... admittedly, their SBL program has been off for about 5 years in the men, women made a nice come back last year. I agree, juniors don't get much of a look in. But in my honest opinion, Willetton treat the SBL as some fun to boost club culture. They get people through the doors, the highest of any metro association.
Willetton don't lose sleep over their SBL program, so maybe be a bit more positive and just concentrate on the 2016 SBL season ahead! Despite far less player movement this year than last ( or maybe it's a bit more hush)
Jethro Clampett
Years ago
"Did the Suns end up signing that import guy who was playing down at Lakeside on Thurs night A grade?"
Who knows what's happening, all pretty quite from the Hills, pretty sure they've signed their new WSBL coach but no news on it. You can't go rushing things.
Anon
Years ago
Why the hell is Basketball SA, Women's SBL, 3 on 3 and WABL being discussed here???
Go and create your own thread of meaningless tripe.
I get that you are bored and have no life, but stay out of mine.
koberulz
Years ago
Why isn't WSBL relevant here? It's an SBL thread, not an MSBL thread.
Greeny
Years ago
Think the WOMEN'S SBL will be strong in 2016. Any news on Cockburns and Suns coaching appointments, they may need to hurry up so they can start signing players.
In the Men's is there any news on the Buccs new coach.
Rock Lobster
Years ago
Word on Marine Terrace is that former Giants and Cougars Championship winning coach has agreed to terms to lead the Buccs ship. Ominous signs for the league of this is so! Proven winner and taking over a program on the cusp of greatness. Big budget, good locals, and greatest home court advantage in the SBL. Title town heading north!!
Heard Cougars have signed Daniel Thomas and the Della brothers Grant Davey not playing.
Cougars making moves, Not sure if they would need both Della brothers. Rhett Yes obviously but cant see Brendan sticking a spot in front of their kids. Parsons showed he can manage a team so interesting to see how he goes if true.
Anonymous
Years ago
Dan-yell "all bout me" Thomas will ruin any team cohesion at the cougars quicker than a half good lookin import finds a chick to hook up with at freo metropolis! from first hand knowledge, certain cougars life members & directors wont have either of the della's back either, plus rhett wants to be paid for that disgusting looking thing he calls a game! Stay in underachieving mandurah boys, we don't need ya
Nice way to show the world your still sour and jaded TVL.
the cougars have not even signed a coach so doubt they have signed any players as of now.
Must say cannot believe the amount of anger that circulates through this forum. Rhett Della has been involved in this league and has provided headaches for teams galore in his many years, he is a work horse and yes his game is rather odd looking but its effective and it works.
If DT was a cohesion wrecker, its a bit odd that the richest club in the league (SO THEY SAY) would continue to have him for 5 years and make him a part of the 25 year history of the Buccaneers as a top 12 player in club history. Especially after a snapped achilles. Why would the club waste the time and money to get him up there if he was that bad?
Some very salty and sandy vaggginnnaaass in here. Here's looking at you kid!
Looks like a few people have played there cards on the forum today
kewl boi
Years ago
fyi R. Della dropped 40 at SBL Summer League (sounds better than lakeside A Grade) last night. Against quite a stacked teamed as well. No doubt he can play.
cockburn would be better developing their junior guards rather than signing DT
lol at how emotional people get over state league
I thought that both Rhett and DT are both Cockburn juniors, has been talk of beef with them all for years, but there was always one common dominator. who isn't there anymore.
I would love to know why all the hatred towards those two guys Mrs your a nobody now and will always be nobody and cant stand it.
Cougars did so well last year. Rhett and Daniel will complete the team. Brendo is an athlete and good defence well worth having . So Dellas Thomas Field McIntyre ,Pesava Prince Harris and import.Are they getting Two imports Should be a good team.
Have figured out how to track IP address's. Most of the negative people commenting on this are from the country, The rest Perth plebs. Working out order of hit list will post soon...
meanwhile
Corey Easlierly to Rockingham because has job at Kwinana Speed way.
Trian Iliadis to Stirling to play with lifelong mentor Mike ellis and good friend Nic Iliadis
nic Cody to Perry Lakes getting very good money and beerz
Trent Worthington to Geraldton for seachange
Ryan Smith signed with WCE apparently.
All legit NBL players stearing cler of league due to overwhelming support of internet trolls
I'm sure you're joking but someone actually said to me Worthington to the Buccs
Any players reading this what are your thoughts on a shortened sbl season with long weekends etc off? I havent heard anyone say anything negative so far yet it probably won't happened unless someone pushes it
The season length is fine. Play everyone twice, home and away. No double headers on the long weekend might be good though, so your whole weekend isn't consumed.
I would rather it be a month shorter. At least one weekend off in the middle would be cool. By the end of the season whena double header comes around most are moaning at the thought of playing twice in 24 hours
Confirmed - Willetton has just signed Adrian Majstrovich
Anonymouse
Years ago
Is the guy with Lachie Neale and Steph Curry in the photo on the AFL site the Lakeside announcer?
Roy Hobbs
Years ago
It's Aaron Ford, he's the Owner of Hype Tours. He's the guy that arranged for all their access to the players.
Anonymouse
Years ago
Thanks guys. I would like to meet MJ, Larry Bird and Magic, do you think he could arrange that?
Anon
Years ago
Season length is good don't really mind playing a double on the weekend cause Basketball is fun and it also gives teams a chance to grow and get better throughout the season you shorten it and the teams that start hot will be in the playoffs you won't see teams like Kal coming back and almost winning the whole thing. As far as AJ he's goin back to NZ I believe.
slammers althought making the GF also did not almost win the whole thing
Anonymouse
Years ago
Can you not understand the context in which Anon made his statement?
Shorten the season for christs sake,
too long, there is no need to play every team twice just have two conferences and then approximately 20 games.
Would make the season soooo much more bareable with full time work and part time puss.... very verrrrry part time... actually more of a casual basis
Corey Easily to Mandurah...'This is a lock
meggsie
Years ago
my contacts in the west tell me that there is something brewing on the crayfish coast. - rock lobster can you confirm.
Rock lobster has no idea about any movements within the buccaneers organisation.
AJ fan
Years ago
Who the hell do you think you are Anon?!?1 i saw AJ at Willetton training last night. Him and the blacks were having a laugh about the good ol' days. People like you are sucking all credibility out of this once respectful meeting place of SBL brother lovers.
For the last time Adrian Majstrovich - Confirmed to Willetton 2016
Phil Jackson's Ring
Years ago
Is M.Clayden returning to Willo MSLB next season or is he being replaced by S.Black?
Phil Jackson's Ring
Years ago
The Blacks 'having a laugh' is an oxymoron...
Phil Jackson's Ring
Years ago
Maybe...but a very predictable response.
I hope Mastrovich is worth the massive coin he is no doubt commanding. I hope he is as good as he once was...
AnonyMoose
Years ago
Da moose is in the billding!
Forma NBL player to be nu coach in midwest. 2 forma jnrs back at cockburn for their fynal seasons. Masiv syning with nbl ties to be annownced at stirling for 2nd restricted playa spot with c ellis taking da other spot. wortho 2 gero, doccy 2 willo, ella kennedy 2 flames, louella tomlinson 2 make her cinematic re-appearance in nu dodgeball seqwel, nate jawai bein linked to Hawks, ben smith 2 join da other ben smith at mandurah, seva chan to east perth
Only a couple of things of that are true, effing LOL at the Louella rumour!!
Nothing confirmed anywhere yet other than Trahair at Gero.
Is Timms signed anywhere? He could be off to collage?
really
Years ago
I would imagine some teams are close to starting some form of pre-season. Obviously there are still a lot of players who may not yet commit but we should start to see the movements soon.
With the apparent mass-exodus from Perth/Mandurah, the coaching changes at Buccs/Lakeside/EP/Bunbury, and the loss of a couple of unrestricted 'imports' (Ty, Lewis) there will likely be some substantial movement.
Where has the buccs announcement been confirmed?
Cougars players are saying that DT and Della are playing for Cockburn now.
Heard so many rumors about Timms (Sun/Wolves/Lakeside/East Perth).
Why has Lewis left? Where is he playing now? Lakeside will probably look the same as last year but probably have better imports with a ex-D1 coach coming in.
might be hard to get a better import than Jordan Swing at Lakeside. Luke Thomas they can upgrade on.
Buccs officially announced Trahair as their head coach
rinse
Years ago
Not sure if it's been said already, returning imports include:
Lien Philp - almost confirmed
Bryton Hobbs - confirmed
Najee Lane - confirmed
Kevin Davis - confirmed
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
With Brandon McGill joining Cockburn, it's hard to see Lane returning
Anonymous
Years ago
How can someone confirm Hobbs or Philp is returning? Returning to who? Are you Triscari or Nix? DTS
R@nD0m
Years ago
I've spoken to Nixy and I know he has confirmed with me that Hobbs will definitely be back for the Hawks next season.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Perhaps this is why Triscari hasn't said anything regarding Phillp... the Merry Go Round up in the hills continues!!
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-5011-0-0-0
the merry go round, the revolving door or whatever term you would like to use.
there has to be something going on up there for them to go through 5 coaches in 8 seasons
Anonymous
Years ago
The womens program seemed quite stable with Mansfield there, but Kranz-Little lasted just one year and the mens program is looking for another coach again.
Suns seem to spend money willingly on imports and recruit locals like most other clubs.
So what are the issues with coaches coming and going in quick succession?
goldie
Years ago
Hawks also targeting 'australian' restricted player.
Tevin Jackson to return after some time against Ben Simmons. Dangerous with B Dixon (wildcats dp) , Hobbs, Cassir, Tevin, + need a big centre.
Lakeside again working the Christian player pool but no luck yet.
Heard they Mullenax could be naturalised. Gee, if that earlier rumour of Easley to Mandurah is true, that essentially makes Mandurah the new SouthWest with 2 American Australians.
The usual suspects: Ephrem Davis returning, as is Cory Cooperwood, destination unknown but have begun talks.
PS: venue changes this year?!?! Where's Mandurah going to play?. Redbacks walk on Curtin, I guess it cost them a bit. Stirling with a new facility too.
Anon
Years ago
Tevin is not allowed to play you D1 rules but nice try plus playing D1 Basketball way more important than playing SBL. Hills have problem with spending money ever since Bad Santa murdered there money.
hahahah kenny brunner, what a disgrace to real basketball lol.
Greeny
Years ago
If I was Suns I'd be talking with Charlie about coaching. Think they need an experienced coach that has a had success.
What's happening with the Slammers? Are they going to get another import? Jeremy Paull playing D1 men's, maybe returning after playing College ball?
Slammers won't be as good next year, don't think they will recruit hard enough
word on the street is Seva and Holmes have both left Suns. Very little to work with there now.
Seva and Timms both @ Lakeside training yesterday
really
Years ago
Suns have taken a big backward step from a 2 win season (if that is possible). If they could have kept the same roster and added a couple of solid SBL players, maybe attracted Timms/Ben Smith back, then they would have climbed up the ladder very quickly.
A lineup of Seva/Smith/Import/Import/Timms with Holmes/Dunnell/Horn/Murray would be very competitive. Add someone like Dennis T and the lineup could compete for top 8.
But that seems to be the opposite direction to where the Suns are heading.
Coach gone, Seva going, Homes going, unlikely any solid recruits and possibly one import...
2 wins may look very good by the end of season 2016
Wally the wolf
Years ago
Funny that....
Wolfpack practice on Sunday, full compliment scrimmaged against the State School boys team - Timms and Huntington looked exceptional together...
Imagine if he did two in one day! Do you think he would be ok?
He was there
Greeny
Years ago
With Chan and Holmes leaving Suns, they definately have to try and get Charlie to coach. Need an experienced coach not an untried one, so they can try and get some players to the club.
Maybe the Suns would be better off going with an untried coach?
Triscari and Kuhn were both tried and although attracted many players to the club were unable to win more than a handful of games combined over the last 3 seasons.
It seems that pretty much all those players they brought in are no longer there either. Maybe an untried coach, developing from within and starting from scratch is what they need?
lol on Timms doing both Lakeside and Wolves trainings
Funny how the Slammers haven't even starting training and probably won't until after Christmas, bloody ridiculous
Greeny
Years ago
Maybe the Suns would be better off going with an untried coach?
Triscari and Kuhn were both tried and although attracted many players to the club were unable to win more than a handful of games combined over the last 3 seasons.
It seems that pretty much all those players they brought in are no longer there either. Maybe an untried coach, developing from within and starting from scratch is what they need?
Maybe, but is there any talent within? It's seems they've tried to rebuild before from within, went without imports for a couple of years, some years only had one import.
Maybe go with young guys, get thumped every week, young guys get sick of getting beaten then leave. I don't have the answers, but I hope someone at the club does.
Anonymous
Years ago
Redbacks have started training. Lakovic maybe tryin to work out how to play a zone on defense, so he knows how to beat one on offense!
If Redbacks have started training, who is attending?
If the so called mass exodus of nearly their entire roster is true then whos down there?
Mambo #5
Years ago
LT and NL together ... major ego clash just waiting to happen!!
Anonymous
Years ago
Could be Lewis Thomas and Nic Lacovic.
Could be Louis Timms at his fifteenth tryout this season and Nic.
so outside of nic lacko and lewis thomas did anyone else go to redbacks tryouts?
Anonymous
Years ago
Call me stupid but who the hell is Lewis Thomas?
I think hes a Perth guy who played div2 college for the past few years
Anon
Years ago
I think the SBL should go to points system like QBL.
QBL Points System Explained - 2015
The Queensland Basketball League (QBL) is a competition for Queensland basketball
associations which underpins the WNBL and NBL and provides entertainment to spectators
by showcasing the most talented basketball players within Queensland. The QBL provides a
pathway for Queensland players, coaches and officials through the development
opportunities that the QBL offers. For some this will be the pinnacle of their pathway and for
others it will be a stepping stone on their pathway to the WNBL and NBL and National
Representation.
The points system is designed to ensure that young, aspiring players (particularly those who
have been developed by the association they represent in the QBL) are provided
development opportunities while still allowing QBL clubs to introduce players to augment
their teams.
Points System
The points applicable are outlined below:
Category 2015 Points
1. A player who is not an Australian citizen and who is required under the rules of FIBA to hold an
annual Foreign Player's Licence (Excluding New Zealand)
12
2. Any player defined as restricted due to the minutes played in the NBL or WNBL in the QBL Rules10
3. Any Australian citizen who has last played in a Euroleague Team or any Division 1 competition
in the countries set out in the Restricted Foreign Leagues tables
10
4. Any player defined as restricted due to the minutes played in the NBL or WNBL in the QBL
Rules within the last two (2) years
5
5. Unrestricted NBL/WNBL Players 5
6. Any player that has an approved Permanent Resident Visa for Australia.
(Note that this category does not apply to players that may have played in a restricted foreign
country or be defined as restricted due to their NBL/WNBL status)
5
7. Any player who has last played in a foreign country other than those set out in Category 3 3
8. An NBL contracted Development Player 3
9. Players 24 years old or more who do not meet the above criteria 2
10. Players under 24 years who do not meet any of the above criteria 1
TOTAL POINTS APPLICABLE TO 15 REGISTERED PLAYERS PER TEAM 38
Special Conditions
1 point is added for each registered player over 15 registered players up to 20 registered players where the total points
applicable is 43.
If a team has less than 15 registered players, points are reduced by 1 point for each player less than 15.
New Zealand nationals who reside in Australia are now permitted to play in the QBL and their points rating will be
determined upon their age and Basketball experience. Eg: If they last played in a Div 1 restricted foreign league they carry the
applicable points rating of 10 however if they are under 24 and have never played in a restricted foreign league they would
be a 1 point player.
Special Dispensations
Player Points are reduced by 50% if the player has played Under 18 Representative Basketball with the QBL association they
are registering with. (Note: associations have the ability to apply for an exemption should a player have departed the
program after U16 representative level to take up a scholarship or attend a boarding school. This exemption also applies if
your association could not field an U18 team at a specific state championship)
Player Points are reduced by 50% if the player has played QBL for the association they are registering with for 100 games (not
including games in which they suited up and did not play). This points reduction does not apply to players who are classified
as Restricted under the QBL rules.
Loyalty rules for restricted players and Foreign Players – If a restricted or foreign player has competed for 100 games or eight
consecutive seasons with a QBL club they would be deemed unrestricted as a part of this loyalty clause. This rule only
extends to one player per team and this player will not receive a player points discount on their points rating unless they
were a player that played Under 18's for the association.
Any system that limits the talent (outside of imports) in any given league is not a good system.
rinse
Years ago
The points system is a good idea and definitely useful in ensuring the clubs look to their own talent pools, but in the SBL I think it could be seriously detrimental.
Things to remember about the SBL is that it isn't a development league. There is probably one team as of late that could be seen as a development TEAM (East Perth), but the Wildcats aren't going to be overly interested in the SBL. They're a business and they are looking to get bums on seats, not support local talent. They do a good job of it too (running a business). Prather, Daniels, these are guys that get people through the door.
SBL would be seriously impacted by a points system in my opinion, and would eventually fizzle to nothing.
But thats just me opinion. The SBL isn't in danger of falling apart, its just plodding along.
meggsie
Years ago
apperently there are quite a few girls staying over west after they finish their lynx season. does anyone know who they are and where they have decided to play.
also have been told whitcomb may be heading over east to play in seabl perhaps better money over here.
hg
Years ago
good bet would be flames then as their coach is lynx assistant and would have first contact with lynx players.
boo
Years ago
Would be expensive exersise as you would have to pay them,
house them, transport them, almost like an import.
Word on the street is not many clubs could afford them
Anonymous
Years ago
Whitcomb isn't going anywhere.
Burton - Hawks
Lavey - Senators / Lightning
Louella - Tigers
jojo
Years ago
Burton to Hawks with doccy will make them strong.
Lavey probably to lightning as stirling have signed import Van Dyke and if they keep amber land their import spots filled.
Greeny
Years ago
Lavey would be good, but with the Rio Olympics in August if she makes the Opals squad she may not be available much if at all.
Greeny
Years ago
Might be more than Finals, training camps, practice games.
Do you want shots? 'cause that's not how you get shots
willetton must be putting out all sorts of cash. Paying Scott, Armour, Black and then Bowie wont come cheap after leaving kalgoorlie will want more money than previous season and then another import. Surely the SBL checks books and under the table dealings.
Easley will be an Aussie this year early on, so can utilize that.
Anonymous
Years ago
Corey (Easley), said to be coming back to East Perth
Also hearing Easley to East Perth although Bunbury and Mandurah lurking
Clive Nicholls
Years ago
If bowie going to Willo maybe thats why cody rumoured to be going to Kal
Anon
Years ago
Jake Burston and Hayden Noordhoek package deal looking for starting gig demands include unlimited gym and personal training sessions.
They probably have a good shot somewhere in the WSBL
jesus
Years ago
Cockburn team looking solid
PG: Thomas/Van Lit
SG: Import/Prince
SF: Field/Peseva
PF: Della/Mcintyre
C:: Import/Holmes
troy
Years ago
hickert to perry lakes
josh weir is at wayland as an assitant under harrelson
big ben smith/corey easley/michael lay all rumoured to be contacted by the slammers
Michael Lay I don't believe that with Nichols re-signing,
Is Hickert definantly heading to Perry Lakes?
Anonymous
Years ago
What do you guys all recon. Will finish school soon should I go play college ball (div 2, Div 3) or stay in Perth and go to uni here and bench warm/work way up rotation in SBL??
really
Years ago
On paper the Cougars look to be a solid unit. My only concern would be around the 'large personalities' on that suggested team.
I think a big part of their success last year was the way the entire squad bought into the system and played for coach Parsons.
Interesting mix of veterans who are probably past their prime and guys like Holmes/Pesava who are looking to establish themselves.
As I said, on paper looks good but lets see how the dynamics play out. Also a lot depends on what level of imports they get and if they adapt and fit within team structure.
Some of the other rumours mentioned are very interesting.
If Cody was to leave Willetton that would be a big lose and, if Noordhoek also leaves, puts a massive dent in the clubs local player content. (I don't see Cody leaving)
Also Hickert leaving Bunbury a similar story. Although this is more common with players from country teams going metro for reasons other than bball.
The top 10 'free agents' that have been rumoured to move and will make a significant difference I feel are:
- Nic Cody
- Seva Chan
- Dennis T
- Louis Timms
- Ben Smith (guard)
- Ben Smith (big)
- Rhett Della
- Easley (if he is not a restricted player anymore)
- DT
- Corey Martin
- Mullenax (he might not move but if he becomes unrestricted it will have big impact)
Anonymous
Years ago
Re Anon ^^
Talk to your coach, he will have a good idea re your upside and whether you should go or stay. College will give you the best chance to reach your potential. If you are never going to play pro it can just delay your study and working life for a few years for no reason other than being a better player. You should talk to some guys who have done time in college, there are a lot around who can give you a good insight.
^^Anon Remember the Aussie dollar is only worth 70 cents now so college will be expensive. A scholarship helps a LOT but there are many associated expenses that you or your parents will have to bear. Having said that the college is experience is fantastic, the standard of facilities and coaching is way above anything you will see here, even in Div3 and JUCOs. But you need the right mindset to be away from family and friends and to fit in with teammates who will see you as taking their spot and their girlfriends. Whether or not college will prepare you for a professional career is doubtful but I can way, with the right attitude, you will return with fantastic life experience.
Copied above post to add:
The top 10 'free agents' that have been rumoured to move and will make a significant difference I feel are:
- Nic Cody - rumoured to be heading to Kal, probably not true and staying at Willo.
- Seva Chan - confirmed at Lakeside
- Dennis T - taking the year off?
- Louis Timms - college
- Ben Smith (guard) - ????
- Ben Smith (big)- ????
- Rhett Della - Cockburn
- Easley (if he is not a restricted player anymore) - ????
- DT - Cockburn
- Corey Martin - Lakeside
- Mullenax (he might not move but if he becomes unrestricted it will have big impact) - Mandurah
Greeny
Years ago
Any word of import signings for the men and women. I know clubs like to be secretive but it's good to see Cougars have announced an import, Brandon McGill 6'2" guard.
sick of crap
Years ago
If anyone believes anything on this forum believe this:
Any forum that allows anonymous posts is likely full of shite. Go back to the SBL forum, register and back what your post by putting your name to it.
What .... not going to happen...oh well we just stick with up to date, accurate and informative posts here and we just have a good laugh...
rinse
Years ago
For those interested in WSBL, minor signings by the Flames in Ella Kennedy and Amanda Pether. Not sure if it's been posted prior.
Don't rate either really, not bad basketballers though. Pether has a decent 3 pt shot on her though and was a shining light for a terrible Lakeside team last year.
Tessa Lavey should play for the Slammers, looks good in red
well if the giants are not getting Bowie back (again just a rumour here until the clubs start announcing there signings) and uncertainties of player and coaching appts, it could be more rebuilding and pain for the Giants. Time will tell
I wish clubs announced what the hell is going on, it's such a bogan like league, every year I never truly know who's going to be on the team and it sucks
Not you
Years ago
Anon, the comp doesn't start until March and most teams haven't held an open try out yet. So just chill out Coz most teams announce signings or we get it on here from confirmed / unconfirmed rumours
True true haha, just sometimes some things go unannounced
really
Years ago
If this is accurate, that Mua in Seabl, then we may be back to all teams only having the 2 x restricted players (and no naturalised players...)
Although I think there is a case for the 3 x country teams having some kind of allowance where they can have 3 restricted players, with the 3rd one having to be on a working holiday or something.
Although Buccs will always be tough with Wunders/Ralph as part of their lineup, Giants and Slammers look to struggle this season unless they can attract some additional Aussie players.
When Wunders/Ralph retire it will be tough for Buccs to replace them with local talent.
Not saying it is a negative or a positive, but would DT have had the most club changes in history? From my knowledge it is East Perth, Cockburn x 2, Magic, Buccs x 2 at least. 6 club changes.
Malltin
Years ago
Easley
Cougars~Suns~Eagles~Hawks~tigers
Bruton
Eagles~lightning~Cougars ~ Suns~Senators
If I'm not wrong
What about Justin eckhardt?
Where is Muo confirmed to be playing in SEABL?
And I don't think there's any such rule about country sides allowing a third restricted player. If there was I'm sure the Giants would have done it a long time ago
I heard Nic Cody was at east freo wafl pre season along with Nordhoek
Jarod Holmes is back at the Cougars and that shit hole of a stadium
At least it is there own stadium. It's grimey but at least it has character to it. Not a rec centre or run by a church. Cockburn has more history and produced NBL legends galore than most almost all of the other clubs. Someone has had their vagina filled with sand by the sounds of it.
Someone tried out for Cockburn and got told they werent required by the sounds of it
really
Years ago
I highly doubt Cody would be thinking of an AFL career. He has a long track history of injuries, particularly knee problems, which would likely prevent him taking the knocks in footy.
Having said this, he would be a very mobile ruckman with his height and length.
We should start to see some confirmation of player movement, or lack of, over the next couple of weeks as teams have some initial sessions prior to christmas.
Last year there seemed to be a very good level of new imports to the league, it will be interesting how many of these are retained and what the new guys look like.
jojo
Years ago
so wsbl movements so far.
doccy to hawks kennedy and pether to rockingham.
van dyke to stirling(imoport)
mercer, gilmore, wallbutton and bianca donovan to perth.
all confirmed any other rumours.
Hogwash
Years ago
Mathiang Muo is actually an Australian citizen, which is more than I can say for half the Redbacks dudes.
Bianca Donovan can't leave the Slammers!!!!! Only reason many young men went and watched the women
meggsie
Years ago
priyini going back to wa to play for willeton tigers? ashlee Sidebottom moving to rockingham from her club
Seva Chan to Lakeside, Jacob LeJacob to Willetton to replace Easley
How is Nic Cody going to play AFL when he is built like a 10 yr olds p3ni5?
Seva join Lakeside is a good news for Lightining.They need PG.
But retired Prue and Jackson are big hole.
Can't make top 8
Eastern Suns appoint Michael Clarke as MSBL Head Coach
AJ is god
Years ago
Hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows where my boy Adrian Majstrovich will be playing this year? Thanks guys
Anon
Years ago
NZ! ^^^ and if he was your boy you would of known that already ;)
Hogwash 77
Years ago
Bianca Donovan lives in Perth so no. Iggie that she's playing for the Redbacks. And yeah, she's a looker
really
Years ago
Great to see Michael Clarke appointed coach at Suns. I'm sure he has a lot of valuable experience to bring back from VCU.
Although I'm not entirely sure the coach has been the problem up the hill over the last 5-10 years. There has definitely been some different coaching approaches with McCormick/Kuhn/Triscari, but there seems to be a deeper issue that is at play there.
There has been quite a few 'rookie' coaches over the last couple of seasons which is great. Giants, Cougars (Parsons had 1 season previous I think), Lakeside, Magic, and East Perth (Jo Alan for part of season) all went with rookie head coaches over the past 2 seasons. Now Buccs, Lakeside (again), Slammers and Suns will hand over control to rookie head coaches.
That really only leave Tigers, Flames, Stirling, Redbacks (everyones favourite), Hawks, and Wolves with longer term coaches.
It will be great to see new strategies and game plans (as much as there is 'new' in basketball now)
Back to Clarke, lets hope he brings the Havoc style to the SBL...
Anon
Years ago
Would be awesome to see some VCU press in Australia let alone SBL, Australian basketball minds need to open up, a bit to stagnant
really
Years ago
SBL a great place for that style of defense as we don't tend to have the bigger 7 foot type players that aren't mobile and don't suit this style.
The only other concern is how the game is called by the refs. Not sure on the PoE this year but in the last couple they had been calling every slight bit of contact on the ball carrier in the full court (although let a ton of contact go in the half court). If there is a direction to call the game the same way then it might be difficult to implement the VCU press.
Anon
Years ago
Def agree but if the past has shown anything if you come out with this style and implement it from the tip then the refs will adjust they cant call everything or can they??
AJ fan
Years ago
Hey AJ is god, AJ fan here. He Signed with Willetton Tigers on a two year deal at the beginning of last season so we will be able to watch him again this season! He is my favourite player :)
Much of the content of here is gossip e.g playing in NZ???? Get real. Here's a tip; Don't believe anything you read here, unless it's from a fellow Adrian Majstro admirer (some times i say majstro for short).
Have a good day guys,
AJ fan
Jar Jar Mur
Years ago
Hey does anyone know when The Suns tryouts are?
I like the sound of that up tempo game as I can shake people down in transition.
Anonymous
Years ago
Looks like the 16 year olds who couldn't make a WABL team are back. Welcome one hand typists.
Nebs Franich
Years ago
Looking for a team this upcoming season.
I am tall, skinny, white and have a huge chin.
With all those bad points above, I still think I am a cool guy.
Give me a chance. I talk a lot of trash, can't fight tho.
Hogwash
Years ago
From RadioWest FB page...
Mike Haney confirmed as Giants coach for 2016.
Jay Bowie heading to Willetton.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
http://www.radiowest.com.au/goldfields/sport/other-sports/news/2015/11/hayney-continues-as-giants-coach-in-2016/
Never seen an import be so good cause he was very good no doubt about that but act so soft in my life and literally make a noise every time he goes in to the lane. UGGGGHHHH as loud as possible.
He should fit in perfectly at willo.
Haney will be good for them again this year. He has good connections and will find someone to suit the roster again.
interested
Years ago
Is it Easley that he will replace or Ephrem Davis?
Bowie's 25ppg will likely be much less as he would share the ball with Armour, Scott, and I assume another import.
A starting lineup of Armour/Scott/Bowie/Cody/Davis
looks pretty good.
What is the bench looking like if Hayden and Burston play footy that leaves Mitch Clarke and Andrew Black as the only ones that played decent minutes.
Hogwash 77
Years ago
I would assume it will be to replace Easley as he is the one rumoured to be leaving Willo.
Slammers won't sign a 2nd import, one season of being alright is enough for hem
Anonymous
Years ago
Didn't someone say earlier that Mitch Clarke has joined his dad up in Stirling.
Anon
Years ago
This will be an interesting team with armour/scott/bowie/cody/import then clarke, black, easley (naturalised), casey off the bench
Casey hahahahahahahahaha, biggest tard in the sbl
Dribble
Years ago
Magic to play all their home games in Rocko due to upgrading at the MARC.
Also means the Flames will have 14 home games compared to 13 for everyone else.
Clarke to stirling confirmed
Easley to rockingham confirmed
Cody to football confirmed
Magic better to use Waroona rec which held Wildcats game.
Waroona is actually better than some of the stadiums around the place. Stirling will jump up to one of best (venues) this season.
Anonymous
Years ago
Willo team doesn't look any better than last years - just cheaper. Won't contend with the lot stated above.
Tip - Black to play 47 min 50 sec per game and the offense to get him 40 shots pg.
R@nD0m
Years ago
No permanent Shot Clocks @ Waroona meant SBL wouldn't take risk of not using a 'SBL Ready' stadium. Look for some exciting 'initiatives' to be announced when fixtures are released too between us (Flames) and the Magic if BWA go ahead as discussed with some ideas which both clubs raised at recent meetings.
Mandurah will also play all of their WABL 'Home' games @ Mike Barnett also during the MARC Redevelopment.
Will be good for the League in three years time to have new venues in Stirling, Mandurah & Joondalup (Arena Redevelopment) with Willetton pushing for Stadium extension too - would be interesting if they make one of the proposed new courts their new showcourt too.
Phil Jackson's Ring
Years ago
Clarke to Stirling is NOT confirmed
He is training at Tigerland...
Surely the willo books will be checked and under the table dealings looked at by the ever so strict SBL correct? Bowie is not leaving Kalgoorlie for a smaller amount and then add another import, armour, damo and some others will be wanting money plus the coach.
What is the SBL salary cap?
Do they ever check any of this?
Adrian M is good bballer
Years ago
Yeah and even though he is very good add Adrian Majstro (sorry AJ is god, i like the ring to Majstro hope you done mind me using it hehe) to the list of people they have to pay. Willetton is very dodgy but Adrian is very good also.
Adrian M is good bballer
Years ago
Josh Garlepp to lakeside? BIG TIME
Anonymouse
Years ago
I doubt if the SBL would have the resources to investigate "illegal" payments to players. What authority would you require to check a players bank statements and what resources would you need to find out if a player is being paid a cash supplement. Not the SBL's fault - blame the 5000 paying spectators who don't show up each week. SBL/BWA can't take any more money out of juniors (clubs)to fund a semi pro league. The cart and horse are in play here.
In most cases, in my opinion, the salary cap is determined by individual clubs credibility/honesty and available finance.
It is no coincidence that the metro clubs with the biggest junior comps seem to get the best imports and a lot of good local players - not always there own grown juniors.
A case for some sort of equalization is a good discussion point. This may stop some clubs free spending of their money derived from the juniors who don't really get the opportunities they pay for.
rinse
Years ago
Anonymouse, very valid points. At the end of the day, Willetton run even out of their SBL program. No loss, no profit.
Really
Years ago
No club is breaking even in their sbl program unless they have secured multiple sponsorship deals.
The league salary cap is $60k. If u have two imports on a sporting visa and you are paying a couple of Australian players then you are getting close to or over the $60k.
Imports alone are minimum $500 per week (plus car, accom etc) So assuming they are here 4 weeks before the season and you budget to make it through the playoffs it is approx 28 weeks. This is $28k.
Then it is the debate on whether the costs of visa ($1500), flights ($2k), accom ($200/week), car etc are in the salary cap or not. Also if u can get accom and car sponsored.
These 'extras' for two imports can easily add up to $25k.
This is then approx $50k for imports. Add two Aussies at $200/game each ($5600)
And the salary cap is gone without even talking about a coach payment or money for other players...
That is why there are imports on working holiday visa, and player payments outside of the contracts.
So once again no team is covering these costs with door takings and bar sales.
koberulz
Years ago
Are coaches supposed to be included in the salary cap?
Lukosius
Years ago
I'd suggest if anyone wants to know how the SBL Salary Cap works, then go and download the SBL Bylaws...
>> www.sbl.asn.au
>> Select "About SBL" from the main menu
>> Click on "Downloads"
>> Open the SBL Bylaws PDF
>> Go to Bylaw 1.9
In summary, what is included under the Salary Cap is $$$ received from ONLY playing, coaching or training with your direct SBL team. And that is NETT (after tax).
What does not get included under the salary cap include:
- Accommodation.
- Flights etc.
- Visas, clearances, BA fees.
- Health cover.
- Income tax paid.
- Any payments from activities not related to playing, coaching or training with your SBL team.
The last point is important as it allows clubs to allocate a proportion of a players wage to activities that are not included in the Salary Cap.
For example, let's say an import earns a wage of AU$1000/week (before tax) from a club. The club could then break that down as follows...
$300 - Income Tax
$350 - WABL Coaching/Association Admin
$350 - Playing/training for the SBL team
Only the $350 for playing/training for the SBL team in therefore included in the Salary Cap.
Lukosius
Years ago
Koberulz, yes, any official monies paid to a coach by his SBL team should be included in the Salary Cap. The Bylaws explain this.
Anonymouse
Years ago
Whilst our SBL will never be an AFL or NBA they should look at ways of ensuring all clubs have equal opportunity to attract and or retain top players and to also ensure some equality in the competition. Perennial cellar dwelling clubs may eventually disappear without some hope of on court success as some AFL clubs have. Unlike the AFL, we need all SBL clubs to be bringing juniors through.
Thanks to Lukosius for the info on salary caps. This makes it quite obvious why the metro clubs with big junior comps can afford to have good imports and recruit locals from other less financial clubs.
Interested Observer
Years ago
Garlepp taking on coaching role with Mandurah for good good coin
Easily to joonadlup on max contract
chan to hawks
cody to puss
Seriously BWA if you are reading this,
Give a bye to every team just split the byes up so that half get a bye on the easter long weekend and the other half get a bye on the ANZAC long weekend.
That way the buttholes that hate messing with tradition still get their shitty roster and the players actually get a break to chill for a bit.
DO SOMETHING FOR FUCKS SAKE MY GOD
Easley will be at the Slammers, Willetton, Mandurah, Perth or Stirling, not to the Wolves bud
Garlepp is probably the stupidest player in the league, suits a stupid club I suppose
Anonymous
Years ago
Spineless morons into character assassination again. Grow some balls you weak prick.
Anonymouse
Years ago
^^^Must be true Clive is a reputable source and so am I
Mark my words the 2016 SBL Champions will be the a Willetton Tigers
Phil Jackson's Ring
Years ago
"Mark my words the 2016 SBL Champions will be the a Willetton Tigers"
Totally agree - GREAT Club, GREAT Coach, GREAT recruiting!
It's what ALL other Club's aspire to...
Phil Jackson's Ring
Years ago
To elaborate further on my point regarding GREAT recruiting... Adrian Majstrovich, what an absolute star!
Armour, Scott, Bowie dayum there's only one ball, nice guard trio though
Nebs Franich
Years ago
This topic was resulted in ISIS jokes now?
Are you a Reclaim Australia idiot?
Weak prick.
Still can't believe Tony Ronaldson is an assistant coach at the Church hahahahaha
WSBL Perth Redbacks,
Have seen Bianca Donavon, Ash Gilmore, Bec Mercer and Lisa Wallburton at practice.
Have kept Hayward and Jjay also.
Talks of Aj Jones also to Perth and O sullivan Returning
Could the WSBL Redbecks actually be better than the Men?
koberulz
Years ago
What about Clayton?
JjaySurely the A and the Y are entirely unnecessary?
have not seen G clayton
assuming she is still with Turner in Japan. Not sure when that league finishes as to when/if she'd be back
Perth Redbacks women look like big improves next year
anonymous
Years ago
Clayton back in april.
heard their talking to pirini as well.
will there be space for clayton?
pirini would be a big pickup. does Someone in that team have close ties with her? She's a big willo girl I hear
Greeny
Years ago
Pirini is a Willo girl but if she wants court time she'll have to play for another club.
CADI
Years ago
Pirini definitely moving back, Senators and Tigers front runners
hj
Years ago
Pirini played with wallbutton at Willo, but is close freinds with jj at perth as well.
Easley is going east to play SEABL for Ballarat
I also heard on the w-end that priyini may have changed her mind and is going to play seabl somewhere in melb, also bennie lewis is coming home to play in melboune. that would be a huge blow to the Geraldton if rumour is true.
Anon
Years ago
Bennie Lewis def going to melbourne to play in SEABL possibly Frankston or a number of other clubs.
Lukosius
Years ago
Some early predictions...
WILL BE BETTER IN 2016:
Cougars - some old players returning will make them better and deeper.
Tigers - Bowie in for Easley will make them better, along with being together for a second year under Black.
Redbacks - probably the big under achievers of 2015. Surely they will be better in 2016.
Senators - my pick for the biggest improvers in 2016. New coach and probably the best group up-and-coming youngsters in the SBL.
WILL STAY ABOUT THE SAME:
Wolves - defending champions who will be right up there again.
Flames - old team getting older, but a couple of new additions to offset that.
Giants - my team so I'm fence-sitting at this stage.
Hawks - probably overachieved in 2015. Can't see them any better in 2016.
Lightning - losing Prue and Jackson is massive. New coaching staff and a couple of recruits will offset to some extent.
Eagles - I think their slide has ended, but will need to big name pickups (Wildcats?) to get better.
WILL BE WORSE IN 2016:
Buccs - probably losing Lewis. Any team losing a 30ppg Aussie is going to be weaker.
Slammers - similar to Buccs. Harrelson (as an Aussie) is a big loss. That's assuming he doesn't come back.
Magic - slid right away towards the end of 2015 and that trend will continue into 2016.
Eastern Suns - if rumours are accurate, they are looking at some key losses. Coach has already jumped ship.
Anonymouse
Years ago
Well Lucosius, you have just started a thousand tongues wagging furiously in the South West.
Nice post though, thanks.
IS TY A POSSIBILITY IF COMING BACK???!!!!!! lol no hahaha Slammers will slide in 2016
Huh
Years ago
Bennie Lewis returning to the Geraldton is entirely up to them. If they want him back I'm sure he will remain.
Anon
Years ago
Yes. Pirini close friends with Jakens at Perth. Assuming she could have a large pull. Heard she is staying east however. Probably better for her.
Nebs Franich
Years ago
I can't fight but will gladly write up a report for you?
cha ching
Years ago
All comes down to the money and whos got the most to spend
Easily to Wanneroo
Garlepp taking coaching role, but only getting petrol money
Peseva actually studies counter terror so wouldnt surprise me if he went to syria to slam dunk isis
Nebo to cakeside
rinse
Years ago
Joondalup- largely unchanged. Davis will returning pending some personal issues he's currently working through
Kalamunda - Jarrad Prior signing with the Suns
Lakeside will sign Daniel Alexander from Grand Canyon University and previously Texas A&M. 6'9 Forward, looks pretty beastly, ranked 94 in ESPNs100 for his year.
Perry Lakes looking at a homegrown NBL player.
Perth targeting Rob Cassir
Willetton- Cody returning despite ludicrous claims of moving to AFL Nick Clarke returning and will replace Burston.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Rinse saving this thread from being complete shit
Nic made the top 100 on the fox8 show the recruit so...
Chef
Years ago
And when he gets cut do you really think he's going to take a whole year off a game he's played for his whole life? Burston, Noordhoek and Cody all went on the recruit but they won't win it, especially Nic with his history of injury...
Nic Cody isn't moving to AFL, he is contemplating going for trips around Europe and travel for a year.
ajrien marstrofish
Years ago
I know from a good good source that cody makes it close to the end if not all the way...
WAFL teams have been targeting him offering very decent money insteady of chicken nuggets and a can of coke.
Perry lakes just signed jesse wagstaff but he most likely come off bench for locals
In a coop, Joondalup sign big baby davis to replce current davis
If this is Matt Burston last NBL year any chance he may return for a stint at PL?
rinse whose your source for this Daniel Alexander guy? Admittedly he does fit the Lakeside import mould.
Tall skinny white guy. Loves god
Lakeside are trying to sign Alexander and another 6"10 big guy. Confident they have enough guards with Chan??
Anon
Years ago
Rocko- top 8 barely if they keep core may be big losers
Stirling- big movers top 8 side
Kalamunda- door mats need a year or two to recruit
P.l- Takes a step back over achieved
E.P- Struggles a bit misses out young team will beat teams there not supposed to
Redbacks- Big ? who stays who goes who do they pick up
Willo- Lost depth but added more scoring def top 8
Cockburn- great year recruiting if rumours are true put them back in finals easily
Lakeside- If they get two bigs that can hoop that will change the dynamic play more of an american style should be interesting on the border.
Magic- too many losses no money miss out
Gero- All depends on recruiting should make 8
Kal- Loss of Muo to east coast confirmed will make it difficult for Kal to make 8.
Bunbury- Lots of rumour of recruiting but I think they will do enough to make the 8
Wolves- Defending champs enough said
Obviously this is all just a guess but Redbacks Lakeside Rocko gero to fight it out for 6,7,8
What rumours of Bunbury recruiting are there, I've heard Easley, what else.??
Any truth with Lewis not returning?
I heard he had a verbal guarantee with Buccs but ofcourse that really means nothing.
The fringe NBL players/or NBL quality who are unrestricted are Gold in the SBL.
Im talking legit players who can impact games not the DP players.
Eg.......
Buccs - Lewis
Giants - Muo
Cougars - Field
Slammers - 2 x naturalised Aussies
All contenders this year.
Who do the Slammers have as naturalised Aussies, Ty is gone and Clive is likely out for the season with the ACL tear
Lewis signed with frankston
Kalgoorlie don't sign Muo and lost him over east also not sure where, also lost Bowie. Signed Haney as Coach.
Bunbury have signed Nicholls not sure on others yet
Jay Bowie signed at willo, chasing Eric Millam and Stephen Black signed on as assistant coach.
Redbacks sign Nic Lackovic to an extension, no Turner returning unless cause he picked up a mrs whilst in WA. SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!
Cockburn signed Brandon McGill not sure on second import yet.
Gero signed Traihair and not sure on imports yet but as always will get two quality ones.
With Ray Turner currently playing in the BJ league (Japan) depending on how deep they go into finals he would not be avl to the SBL to early-late May which no doubt Redbacks cant wait that long!!
hi
Years ago
Ray turner wont be playing in wa.
Him and his mrs will be a package deal in Qbl next season.
Anon
Years ago
Muo is with Spartans in Brissy which makes sense if he wants to get back in the NBL. Bunbury has Tre Nichols and I am guessing another import Clive will be back ACL recovery doesnt take 12 months its not 1994. He should be up running around maybe not to full capacity but playing minutes by March easy. Plus a naturalised or NBL caliber player gives them 4 guys again. Also heard big Ben Smith maybe headed down to the SW. Lewis last I heard was going to Frankston however some other teams interested as well.
Willetton Fan
Years ago
Nic Cody has been M.I.A at Willetton practices for the last 3 weeks, has signed and moved across to the SEABL as he prefers the "indie" lifestyle over east. Hayden Noordhoek also hasn't been cited at practices but has been seen at Jetts just off of canning highway quite regularly.
rinse
Years ago
Seva Chan confirmed at Lakeside
Along with Dan Alexander...
TJ Hallice will be the second Lakeside import
6'9 forward from Mercer College
Played D League with Idaho Stampede
In less exciting news, Travis McIlroy to Suns with Prior
Slammers are rumoured but have done nothing so far other than re-sign Nichols, losing Ty, Voelkel and potentially Weeden for next season would leave a massive hole. Need to sign Easley or Ben Smith,add a quality guard and a star import to look like a top 4 team, looking like sliders to me so far (very very very very early days)
Black Betty
Years ago
Easley spied at Willo practice this week so doubt he is on the move anywhere...
Big Ben Smith still training and scrimmaging at Mandurah
Not a lot going on yet, cant be too long before clubs signing their imports to get them here b4 preseason tournament. Giants, Slammers will struggle without that 3rd quality player.
Slammers, Giants, and Gero need those 3rd "import" types because their local talent isn't as productive
rinse
Years ago
This is what I've got so far..
Cockburn - Brandon McGill, ?
East Perth - ?,?
Geraldton - Carter Cook, Corey Cooperwood
Goldfields - Jacob Holmen, ?
Joondalup - Kevin Davis, ?
Kalamunda - ?,?
Lakeside - Dan Alexander, TJ Hallice
Mandurah - Taylor Mullenax, ?
Perry Lakes - Bryton Hobbs, Wagstaff or Jervis
Perth - ?, ?
Rockingham - Cooper Land, Taylor Land
Stirling - ?,?
South West - ?,?
Willetton - Jay Bowie,?
Adrian Money Majstro Fan
Years ago
Hi Willetton Fan, Adrian Money Majstro Fan here.
At which particular Jetts health club has Noordhoek been spotted? I have grown quite fond of that good looking boy's remarkably large biceps. He must do well with the ladies if you know what I'm getting at. He is hot, great rig.
I eagerly await your response!
Also Brian Conklin spotted at Buccs training along with Jacob LeJacob.
SLAMMERS TO SIGN CONKLIN!!!!!! WOULD BE HELLA MAD BRUZ AND WOULD WORK GREAT WITH A SCORE FIRST POINT GUARD WITH DREADS!!!!!!! This one is in shape though
Nordeks biceps all buttered up.............mmmmm
lel
Years ago
I don't think Willetton would be on the market for Najee when they have Armour. And A black.willetton has struggled over the last 3 years getting a legitimate big like a Ray Turner, Mullenax or Voelkel. 20/10 guys
Anon
Years ago
Hard to have a 20/10 guy when you have armour damo and kal import on your team good luck not enough basketballs
Buccs sign Dexter Kernich-Drew of Washington State University, born in Melbourne. SO still have room for an american.
lukosius
Years ago
Thats huge
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51421/dexter-kernich-drew
Even if hes the sixth man will be handy especially in a country town.
Willetton Fan
Years ago
Hayden lifts at the Jetts just next to the raffles, have spotted him and Burston lifting there followed by running the bridges together. Massive loss for the tigers road trips losing those 2, the stories coming out of the camp have been noted as legendary.
Lukosius,
So what all does this mean?
So every wildcat player (bar the 2 imports can play SBL all for the one team?
Stupid rule.
Who has the most money wins!
koberulz
Years ago
Lukosius,That is almost the exact opposite of what that article said.
So what all does this mean?
So every wildcat player (bar the 2 imports can play SBL all for the one team?
Stupid rule.
Irrelevant what all the other teams do because
WOLFPACK
Anon
Years ago
NBL player rules stay the same the only thing that the rule changes is that Permanent Residents can play as aussies which makes sense.
Anon
Years ago
Will Jervis Mrs. let him play without getting 30k a year lol
koberulz
Years ago
NBL player rules stay the same the only thing that the rule changes is that Permanent Residents can play as aussies which makes sense.Pretty sure the NBL doesn't have a rule that restricts a team to no more than two players who play 25% of available NBL minutes. :p
Tell us Anon
Is Kevin Davis confirmed back at the pack?
Willetton Fan
Years ago
Can confirm that Nic Cody hasn't been responding to friends and teammates text messages as he's taken time off where he's been spending it on a secluded farm. This is all part of the decision making process as he decides which SEABL club to align himself with. WILL NOT be in the SBL next season.
Nic Cody
Years ago
Hey can you guys shut up, also I approve of every adrian majstrovich post In this thread
Abraham Marstrobitch
Years ago
Hey Willetton Fan, Abraham Marstrobitch here.
I would just like to thank you for the intel. I have just got back from signing myself up to a membership at Jetts Applecross. I hope to spot Hayden Noordhoek and his remarkably large biceps in the near future. Hes hot, great rig.
Shame about Burston and Noordhoek as well as their "ladsy" qualities leaving the Tigers. Tell me, is it true that Hayden once did a backflip and then punched a kangaroo on Burrendah Boulevarde in Willetton? Surely not.
Anyway I must head off to the gym :)
Cheers, Abraham Marstrobitch
Willetton Fan
Years ago
Can confirm that the kangaroo story is completely true, one of the finest tales in Willetton folklore. Word is Burston provided a really ladsy story on the Kalgoorlie road trip this season, I for one would love to hear it.
This thread is crazy, Willetton is all the talk right about now
Willetton Fan
Years ago
The ladsy banter out of Willetton is the cause of this, any other clubs have quality stories of there players?
Corey Easley is all but guaranteed to sign in the SEABL
Does damien scott mack as many bitches as people say?
What lifting routine does mitch clarke do to look so much like a bar fridge?
Why does kyle armour know every single person in western australia?
Haha I think he does, knows me for starters, hahahaha remember when Joey Wright was shoving Damo Scott and he was crapping himself not knowing what to do
Fake Burston
Years ago
na no one remembers that
====== BREAKING NEWS =======
Nordek has been spotted lifting heaps of weights and crushing puss.
D scott has a great piece.
Nick Cody has signed with Perry Lakes, was spotted cheersing beers to celebrate somewhere in the south west.
I can confirm that Easily is headed to cockburn with very good coin.
Della Madella to sign with Joondalup in a coop
=====================================================
Corey Easley will not be playing at Cockburn next year
Fake Burston
Years ago
Whats ur sauce because mine came from a horses mouth
ruddiger
Years ago
Easley signed a 2 yr contract with the Tigers. Will be returning next yr. his kids even have mini tigers uniforms. Gotta get some mileage out of it while they're young
Harry
Years ago
^^Not sure if Easley did but I know Scott and Armor did so they'll be back for sure
I've seen his kids with little tigers uniforms, but I have spoken to him and could be in the move
Fake Burston
Years ago
nick clarke and pjhill john signed with perry lakes
from good good sauce
easily to kalamunderrrruhhhh
Anonymous
Years ago
^^^^
Time for you to get back to the TV, Playschool has just started. YFI.
There would be no court time for Easley at Cockburn with the guys they have in his spot. there and very good sources saying that apparently trahair has nabbed a few Rocko boys to head up with him.
Rockingham have signed the land brothers again for some weird reason. I understand the one but not the other. Surely Rocko need scorers with the loss of Godfrey and others.
interested
Years ago
Yeah don't see that signing both Land brothers is the way to go for Rocko unless they have another Aussie scorer that they are adding to the roster.
Easley sure is getting a lot of attention on here. Is he the only existing SBL player that will be affected by the rule change for restricted players?
Surely Tigers will try to keep him if he is no longer classified as a restricted player.
If they had Kyle/Scott/Import/Cody/Import as starters then Easley/Clarke/Black off the bench it would be a tough team. *Sure to get the forum going with 2 x imports, Scott, Easley, and to some extent Kyle all being outside players...
News out of Redbacks is that they may not get imports this year. Can't see that happening with Lako.
Should start to see announcements of import signings soon as they really need to start this process to get them signed and ready for the season.
Giants are usually very early with their announcements, must be taking a different approach this season. They typically do a good job of scouting available players from over east, mainly queensland, so we might see a permanent resident replace Mua.
cewper lands rattail
Years ago
easily to Perry Lakes for good good coin and 6 pack of pepsi max.
This is from a very good sauce
Land brothers coming back to perth and adding to their title as the biggest turds in the SBL both physically and metaphorically.
Chop Shop
Years ago
Hearing Reed McConnell out of UC Irvine for Redbacks.
interested
Years ago
I had heard no imports for Redbacks, but if this McConnell rumour is true he is a big downgrade from last year (there wouldn't be many SBL imports that could be an upgrade on Ray Turner)
Any word on whether Carter Cook is returning to Buccs?
cewper lands rattail
Years ago
Easily to Lakeside,
Prue is rumoured to be following the sofouli brothers to Kalgoorlie for huge money.
They are expanding their business there aswell so should be interesting to see
Anonymous
Years ago
You are boring and uninteresting Cewper. Go back to the telly with the other children and watch Playschool.
cewper lands rattail
Years ago
Starts at 3 we have time
Easily to waneroon
McConnells old man was on the phone to everyone who would listen to him telling anyone who would listen that his son would win them a championship.
Has an imports father ever done that in the SBL, ever?
In saying that, looks and plays like a bigger, little Ben Smith...and we all know how thats working out..
Lukosius
Years ago
A bit harsh re Reed McConnell's old man.
Yes, I do believe he contacted a lot of clubs.
Has spoken to me a couple of times and I gave him some good advice.
He really is just acting as his son's agent, and good on him for that.
However not once did he 'promise a championship' or any BS like that. Was honest in describing his son's background and his limited opportunities at CS Irvine. Was also offering to pay for his own visa and flights.
I've done a bit of research on him and viewed some video, even going back to his HS days. He would make a decent import for some teams, and would come cheap as chips.
Good luck to him.
ruddiger
Years ago
Looks like a terrible version of QuinnMcdowell if you ask me. Quinn is king
Suns announce Jarrad Prior as their first big signing
look for easley to be their next announcement but probably not this week
Damian Martin is rumoured to be taking an assistant coaching role at the Perry Lakes Hawks,
It is not known if hes playing yet but his input will be substantial
For crying out loud Easley is not going to Cockburn
Good riddance to Jake Burston at Tigers. They'll easley make semis now (pun intended)
JakeBurston Fan page
Years ago
Except Jake Burston was the only one on that team that passed the ball lol
When do finals start at the lakeside summer league?
Might be some nice matchups worth checking out?
You Heard Right
Years ago
Semi Finals Tonight
Crocs v Party Flava
Crocs
Matac, Someone that ate Clint Reed, Godfrey, Cody and Field
Party Flava
Damian Scott, Thomas Lewis, Drew Williamson, Seb Salinas, Joel Wagner
Prediction
Allstar game in itself, three point percentage and Defense will be the key. Flava by 10. Both have played great all year crazy that its better to watch than SBL games.
Most Legends vs Bundy
Most Legends
Ben Purser, Ryan Smith, Josh Garlepp, Fletch Creelman
Bundy
Nebo Franich, Trian, Rob Huntington, Adam Cash, Ben Smith, Joel Qwestrell
Prediciton
Everyone on Bundy can shoot, will be tough for ML to contain. Might have the upper hand on boards, thats tough if everything is going in.
ML by 1 in triple OT
*Poor reffing to screw up one of 2 games, in true SBL fashion. Peto for SBL league CEO
JakeBurston Fan page
Years ago
POPCHERRY AD IN THIS POST IS DISTURBING BUT I know Jake Burston likes it
great right up thanks You Heard Right,
Wow thats half the league right there haha,
will be interesting to see the results.
Cody is a full time farmer now so crocs cant win. Josh garlepp is really good most legends will win cos he is good i heard it and got sauce on my mouth
does anyone know if izzy chilcott and klara wischer are coming back home to melb, or if they are heading back to Hobart to play . or are the staying in WA to play in their comp.both quality players.
SUNS get J.P. from Perth. The mass exodus has begun.
JakeBurston Fan page
Years ago
When Jake Burston left Redbacks that was the exodus #threesus
Buccs confirm Carter Cook to return and have signed Maurice Barrow as second import.
Hogwash
Years ago
Nice signing by the Giants to replace Bowie.
2015 NAIA Player of the Year and NAIA All-American.
Also led the whole NAIA in steals.
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Perry Lakes Sign Hire
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Following announcement of Damian Martin Assistant coaching.
Lukosius
Years ago
So PL now have Hobbs, Wagstaff and Hire?
Three restricted players?
Nice work.
Lukosius
Years ago
Haha, the real Lukosius would never refer to the Giants as "Kal" as it's a pet hate of mine.
We are the Goldfields Giants, always have been.
Have never been the Kalgoorlie Giants despite half of the game programs around the league referring to us as that.
Anonymous
Years ago
Haha. the cockhead troll still too stupid to get the name right.
Hire may not be restricted as not playing many minutes..
As if Hire would leave wolves tho!!
Lukosius
Years ago
Thats actually a very good point. Could even go to Kalfields Largens if the coin is right.
#goodsauce
JakeBurston Fan page
Years ago
NAIA players hmmmm good luck with that too dumb for NCAA's or not good enough.
There have been numerous excellent NAIA players in the SBL plenty of long term ones too. Ty Harrelson, Bryce Burch to name a couple.
Hogwash
Years ago
Interestingly the average school grades of NAIA players is usually higher that NCAA players.
Do some research son.
JakeBurston Fan page
Years ago
Clock is right two times a day ;) not saying they can't be good but they why did they go NAIA is the real question could be a variety of reasons. Those with legitimate excuses usually turn out fine.
Clearly you have no idea. As was mentioned some very good impacting players came out of the NAIA. Eligibility is as tough as NCAA. Collages still demand good grades and believe me they will realise you if you do cut the grade. By the way can we get rid of theses idiots that constantly post nonsense. People here should be given the respect of using a name and not have it hijacked by someone.
Its a fight back against outrageous opinions that get vomitted on here. Welcome to the internet.
http://youtu.be/zzzriHEpOJw
Highlights of Buccs new import Maurice Barrow
Homer Simpson
Years ago
How can these teams afford imports? *scratches head*
Please enlighten.
Who knows which wsbl teams have lost players.
wannereoo mercer burns and nonila martin
perth clayton?
cockburn docky and no import this year
Slammers donovan and no imports this year
Lakeside pether
mandurah sidebottom?
Willetton wallbutton and antonio and kennedy
Suns edwards and jones
Stirling ?
flames?
magic milo?
east perth?
Anybody know of any others?
Anonymous
Years ago
Homer
City clubs SBL are funded through juniors fees, fundraising (eg carnivals) and some sponsorship in most cases.
Country clubs have good spectator numbers and support from the local community.
Homer Simpson
Years ago
Amazing... while most NBL clubs can't catch a break, arena rental fees must be the killer..
Most Legends W
Party Flava W
Final is on thursday at bibra lake
should be interesting
Greeny
Years ago
I think the anonymous poster might of meant Edmondson
Free Agency
Years ago
Man SBL free agency is fun when are teams gonna start signing guys to multi year deals
Lukosius
Years ago
When they start paying decent sauce, if any.
Take the Kalgoorlie Big men for instince, we struggle to sign anyone long term so have to fork out a bit short term or sumpfin.
Free Agency
Years ago
Teams should be able to get 2 year deals done that's easy FIO. Or your gonna have the movement every season.
Anonymous
Years ago
Lukosius, you appear to have dumbed down a lot.
Nike Crody
Years ago
ML for the win tonight you heard it here first
Fake Burston
Years ago
Most Ledge should get up but thomas, scott r gewd
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Did we really go a full day here without an Easley/Butston/Cody/Willetton post?!? Poor form guys
Anonymous
Years ago
The juvies were busy. It was a big day on Disney.
Fixtures are up, gotta feel bad for the Flames and Eagles, Second leg of Easter double header on the Monday. Long weekend gone before your eyes.
Anonymous
Years ago
Giants:
Easter long weekend - road trip to Perth
Anzac Day long weekend - road trip to Perth
WA Day long weekend - road trip to Gero
Pretty sure they're not complaining about it.
Toughen up Perth teams. This is a semi pro league. You play when you play. If you want your weekends off then don't play SBL.
Other state-level sports leagues (WAFL, WANL etc) don't have byes on long weekends.
Lukosius
Years ago
This news was literally just released, so how could you hear them complain yet?
Im sure if you asked the players theyd outline their dismay. It may be a semi pro league but the big V and SEABL both manage to give those weekends off, with the slightest restructuring. Also the WAFL get paid substantially more on avergage because there is a minimum wage. All we are asking is that they spend an extra day and factor in that 90% of us are unpaid/paidverylittle and have plenty on outside of the game.
Anonymous
Years ago
Have you complained to your club and asked them to fight for your cause? All clubs sign off on fixtures. If it's that inconvenient, just have a game or two off.
Lukosius
Years ago
It would honestly benefit the entire league, I dont understand why you are so against this. BWA ignored our request this year.
Goldfields Giants
Years ago
(obviously you can ignore the 'fake' Lukosius posts above)
The Giants' official stance on this is that we are happy to play on long weekends, in fact we request it.
There are two reasons for this:
(1) If we didn't it would make the season even longer than it already is.
(2) Our crowds would be very poor if we had home games on long weekends, hence we request away games.
One of the above posters is correct - all the clubs do sign off on the fixtures, including us.
I do not know of a club who asks for byes on long weekends. They may privately prefer it, but none have officially requested it by our understanding.
If anybody needs this confirmed, please email us at [email protected]
Anonymoose
Years ago
How many Clubs show the proposed fixtures to the players before signing off on them?
I would guess very few, if any.
So 90% or more of the actual players will see the fixtures for the first time today. That means their legitimate complaints are dismissed straight away.
Bring back the real Lukosious doing the fixtures.
Anonymous
Years ago
SBL have fixtured games on long weekends etc. for many years. Don't wait until the fixtures are released and then squawk about it. You're 12 weeks late - just like last year. Get your club to do something on the players behalf before the fixtures get done.
Anonymoose
Years ago
I guess you didn't want to acknowledge the part where the players don't get consulted. They find out with the rest of the world when the fixtures are released.
Anonymoose
Years ago
I guess you didn't want to acknowledge the part where the players don't get consulted. They find out with the rest of the world when the fixtures are released.
Lukosius
Years ago
We never get consulted, and we (and the coaching and support staff) are the ones that actually train all year and play. Its pretty disgusting that there is such a separation between the league and the people that make it up, not even an end of season survey asking how to make the league better.
Things that don't cost any money but just take a slight change to make the league that we all love more enjoyable for everyone.
ie fixturing
number of games
number of teams
etc
Anonymous
Years ago
If the SBL included 100 individual players views on fixturing it would never get done. SBL clubs represent their players. When the clubs sign off on the fixtures, they are doing it on behalf of their admin and players. If players want changes they need to discuss it with their club. Public holiday and long weekend games have been played for years. The structure of the fixtures has not changed very much over the past ten years or so. Players need to get their club to fight for changes - before the fixtures are done, not complain afterwards. And it's not a cop out, the SBL is comprised of clubs and clubs are comprised of players and volunteers.
Anonymous
Years ago
Crikey!! If you keep forgetting it every year write it on the back of your hand or on your wall or on a blackboard. Get it tattooed on your arse.
You don't need a survey, just clubs speaking up to the SBL Board and presenting their players views.
"Lets say BWA staff have a favourite hobby, wouldn't you rather that hobby not infringe on every other aspect of your life for one weekend a season?"
WTF does this mean?? I think I'm starting to understand why your memory let's you down year after year after year.
A mid season survey would be cool,
much like they do in other leagues and ask things like,
which coaches youd most like to play for
any league changes you think are appropriate
best players
anything else?
Willy Drew
Years ago
What is the relevance of questions 1 and 3 to anyone?
A survey could be a good thing if it asks for views on things relevant to improving the league, creating a better environment for players and others or even getting more spectators to games.
Free Willy
Years ago
The NBA and SBL should never be mentioned in the same paragraph.
Nic Cody
Years ago
Yer obviously, ignore that but moving on if the SEABL AND QBL can do it why cnat we?
Free Willy
Years ago
A survey would be good. Whether SBL/BWA would take notice is another thing. It will take the clubs to initiate change, no hope of players getting it done unless their clubs are behind them.
Maybe we could start up a players union. Fourteen teams x 30 players (m & w) x $2.00 per week each = $840.00 per week could pay for representation.
Please reply with copies of your money orders or Paypal details.
Horn
Years ago
Not a bad idea, but not really necessary to have money involved. Maybe just ask the captains of every team and they can ask the players themselves, all teams have their own facebook groups now which makes correspondence extremely easy.
Free Willy
Years ago
But then you're relying on the people who forget every year to bring their issues to someones attention.
Free Willy
Years ago
But I agree something needs to be done, the discontinuity between those running the comp and those that actually participate has been too great for too long. BWA will look into it.
Anonymoose
Years ago
Thinking that BWA will actually look into it or do something is wishful thinking. The people in charge right now are the ones that have created this mess.
You have a person in charge of the SBL that doesn't go to games on the weekend and wants his weekends to be free.......hmmm. Funnily enough they aren't a Basketball person so don't really get it.
Free Willy
Years ago
Who is in charge of the SBL. Isn't Andy Stewart the Head Commish?
All the people on the SBL board or commission are from our clubs. They're the ones who should be harassed to seek changes whether it be to the structure of the comp or to the "managers" who run it.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
After leaving Cockburn, Brandon McGill is set to join Kalamunda
you mean after being told to leave, he is joining kalamunda
Most likely because cockburn can't pay him anything, financially a good decision best of luck to brandon
Anony jake the muss
Years ago
The word is everyone at Kalamunda gets paid this season. $50 bills for all.
I think Cockburn signed him under the understanding he was not being paid so it has very little to do with that. He was released from his contract, reasons unknown but not his decision, Cockburn's decision.
Word is Mandurah or Kalamunda are looking at him.
Also hearing some rather humorous rumours regarding some young lads around the league who for some reason think they have the worth of gaining money from clubs. I find this hilarious as clubs might be paying them.
Willetton have rejigged and reloaded for a championship. Armour, Scott, Bowie,one more import, and possibly Easley as well, Nic Cody, stephen black as assistant, and recently signed Josh Johnson after returning from college and from looks of it fit and ready to go. Willo never seem to be short of the old benjamins.
Kalamunda, well they signed J.P. so far so that is their biggest signing. other than that, lost seva and jaarod holmes and a coach.
Geraldton is gaining Chudier Pal after returning from college and Beau Samuelson. The possibility of one more aussie also. Resigned Carter Cook and signed another import. Will be a team to beat again this year with more signings from over east on the way also.
Lakeside have recruited well for the most part and they are leading kids to believe because an American Coach and Tony Ronaldson are there that magic will happen. Expect lots of young kids coming through looking for court time with the apparent 17th retirement of Jarrad Prue and word is Brad Krump Jackson has pulled the plug also.
Magic are magically getting money from an outside source and will be paying Ben Smith to keep his services and JJ, but looking to gain Brandon McGill also so that's more money, then another import as well, so interesting considering apparently Jason Chalk stole all their money.
Stirling have kept quiet but im sure will have similar ballers, however from word on the streets, is that the new gym and arena is top of line and rivals all stadiums so that will be an upgrade from the crap they used to play in.
Cougars have signed an import then delisted him, but signed another import and another on the way. Picked up Della and D.T. and maintained the services of the best aussie in Gavin Field.
Joondalup seem to be quiet also but will have similar squad as no retirements occur and judging by the way it normally works with the coach, good/similar team he will stick around.
Redbacks have lost club stalwart in J.P. and apparently more to go, but not sure what they can gain from outside clubs. perhaps a few younger guys.
Bunbury have resigned Nicholls which is great and Weeden will be available mid season so the club will have to stick it tough with just the two imports until Weeden can return. Losing Ty is a major blow as he was a referee call machine.
Kalgoorlie have signed big apparently, and are getting at least three from over east. Rumour has it Haney is training with the team and has also been playing local comps. With the new SBL rule, Haney is available to play also which means, Player coach will be in affect for him. Lost Bowie but sure they will find someone to replace him with the money they have.
Perry Lakes signed Hobbs back and will get another import, then mixed in with local talent of who they already have will be up in top 8 again im sure.
Rockingham have signed Land brothers again but have lost some guys in the Traihair exodus to Geraldton. They will be hard nosed and tough as usual but depth might be an issue.
There is a little bit of a run down so far from what is going around the league, if anyone knows other ones that are not Burston or Cody related please fill us in. :P
Anonymouse
Years ago
What about East Perth? Should be getting a number of new players with their new coach and staff. Could be getting a few Redbacks deserters. Stirling also with new coach Ellis sure to attract ex state players.
Vigor to Perry Lakes,
Apparently he wants to come home before the next BBL season and would be a force after speanding time and performing in the SEABL AND the BBL.
good friends with Purser aswell so
Easley confirmed at Slammers according to their facebook page.
Giants sign Daniel Goodluck from North Adelaide from the SA comp. seem to put up decent numbers over there, anyone know what the comparison to the WASBL is competition wise?
Chop Shop
Years ago
Nikora to Goldfields according to some reports?
interested
Years ago
Goodluck appears to be a PG as well so if Nikora goes to Goldfields his opportunities might be limited/shared.
Are there many college returnees this season?
Redbacks - lewis thomas
Tigers - josh johnson
Stirling - do they get throns back
Any Wildcats playing in league this season? Hire, Jervis?
NthAdelaide
Years ago
Daniel Goodluck is a combo guard and shared the PG duties with Rockets import Aric Miller is 2015.
So playing the 2-spot is well within his capabilities.
Premier
Years ago
The SA Premier League is a decent league.
They only allow one import, but because of this they tend to get a lot more NBL and ex-NBL Aussies play in that league.
Mitch Creek, Anthony Petrie, Peter Crawford, Jacob Holmes, Darren Ng, Adam Gibson, Blake Truslove and Pero Vasiljevic all suited up in the Premier League in 2015.
I heard
Years ago
I heard that the Tigers are chasing Jervis and trying to get him to tigerland.
This would put them right in the contention: Armour, Scott, Bowie, Cody, Jervis make a tough starting 5.
Any practice games scheduled?
Chop Shop
Years ago
Can't see that happening.
In terms of scheduled games - cant see that happening anytime soon. Not at least for another solid month anyway until teams have put numbers on the court & started executing offences etc.
Scheduling
Years ago
Just another example of BWA not trying to improve the league why not sculpt the league so its appealing to the best players? This is a problem every year, players cant come because of NBL committments
Interested Observer
Years ago
I have been saying that and the public holiday thing for a couple weeks now.
Its ridiculous
Chop Shop
Years ago
How is it not appealing?
The only thing holding it back is the lack of money some teams have to spend compared to others. If the money is right, then the better players will come.
Its not exactly the scheduling.
Interested Observer
Years ago
Many times players cant play because there is a clash with preseason, particularly if it is an interstate nbl team.
This happens almost every year, its also why some better players rule out all together playing here.
What if we made the SBL really really appealing for interstate players?Could even try and market it as THE BEST OFFSEASON LEAGUE or something like that
Chop Shop
Years ago
Bennie Lewis left Melbourne to play here.
Cody Ellis returned from Sydney to play for Stirling.
Tom Garlepp returned from Sydney before his stock rose considerably.
Peter Crawford came back to the Hawks for a while.
I'd like to know what NBL or interstate talent didn't come here because it 'clashed with preseason' or even considered the SBL?
It boils down to money paid or a team not wanting them to play to rest the body/too big a liability.
Plain & simple.
Anonymous
Years ago
No chance of SBL being a good comp when clubs with big revenue from juniors can buy a championship by taking the poorer clubs better players. Spectator numbers tell us this is correct. What significant changes have been made to the SBL since 1989?
It seems BWA are happy for the comp to struggle along, not really get better and not change a thing.
Interested Observer
Years ago
Cody Ellis didnt have a contract at the time and his dad was the GM and now the Coach... soooo
Garlepp hasnt played in the league since and I believe didnt have a contract the year after. Doesnt come back now because there is no appeal.
Peter Crawford was playing with the wildcats at the time.
Bennie Lewis wasnt contracted to any NBL club when he first played for Gero.
All the lower tier NBL players have to play somewhere else in the offseason because the money is so bad.
All Im saying is they would be more likely to come here if it didnt clash with any timetable. Its been obvious for a long time. The money would help of course Im not doubting that but
Couldnt agree with u more anonymous, you have to ask yourself, what is the harm of trying to improve the league? The victorian leagues are brave in comparison.
In saying that though Kalamunda was the only team that really struggled last year every other club was competitive.
Chop Shop
Years ago
Crawford was playing for Townsville & had his controversial Boomers Olympic stint at the time actually....but anyways.
So what are you saying needs to improve really? Change the start date? Why not put a consortium together & forward it to BWA?
Think the start but more importantly the end dates need to to change because players dont want to have to fly back and forth and teams dont want a player to just leave for finals. Also taking into account long weekends needs to be considered and from what Ive heard next year BWA will take a long hard look at the possibility due to overwelming support for a long weekend breaks for teams.
Interesting about crawford, hed be great to have as a coach in this league if he were available.
interested
Years ago
Moving dates needs to reflect what the actual objective/goal is in doing so.
Even if the dates worked well with the NBL season and there were no conflicts, would the Wildcats allow many of their players to compete in the SBL? I would only think the DPs and 9th/10th players would.
Generally these players are playing in the SBL with some time in between to freshen up.
I don't think moving the SBL season would really affect how many NBL guys would play.
It is probably more valuable in looking at what the season dates mean for college players and for imports.
Generally any local players that are going to college miss the last part of the season, or finals games. At a really rough guess I think this affects approx 4-6 players per season.
The European leagues have different season/finals structures but the better leagues conflict with current SBL fixtures meaning any better imports (Okoye, McDowell etc) would be unavailable for a large number of games at the start of the season.
I agree with a lot of the opinions that there could be some changes and initiatives made to improve the SBL.
Keeping the same number of games but condensing the season duration by about 4 weeks would be something I think could work.
Obviously having country teams makes this a bit more difficult but maybe having Gero/Kal having home double headers may be a solution???
One other thing that has long been an issue and has no easy answer is the payment of players.
As mentioned above, some more financial teams often lure top end players with payments in an attempt to strengthen their roster.
Is this right or wrong? I'm not really sure but it does create some issues.
1) Clubs that are less financial are not really able to compete in the longer term (they might have a season or two where they are competitive but this can't be sustained)
2) Younger players or average players are being offered payments really just to lure them away from a club. In reality these players do not deserve to be paid. It makes it difficult for clubs to sustain a good financial position and it also sets unrealistic views of where there players are at.
I'm wondering if a points type system would work in this scenario which also had payment bands attached. Obviously it would be more admin for the league and might get exploited by some teams.
Example:
1 point player = rookie with less 10 SBL games = No payment allowed
2 point player = role player that has less than 100 SBL games and average less than 12mins court time in previous season = No payment allowed
3 point player = solid SBL player with more than 100 SBL games = $100/game or less
4 point player = elite non-restricted player more than 100 SBL games and stats based ranking = $250/game or less
5 point player = restricted player = $800/game or less
A restricted point total per team is established and the game payments are more controlled.
Any team found to be breaking the rules lose all points for year.
Just a thought...
Chop Shop
Years ago
The point system is ridiculous.
It will stop people from earning a roster position simply because it won't fit into the allocated total.
Doesn't work in NBL (players body is trying to abolish it) - definitely wont work at a lower level either.
interested
Years ago
So Chop Shop, your ideas???
I think refinement is needed, not wholesale changes
original poster
Years ago
Whether someone "deserves" to be paid is completely subjective.
People are paid whatever the market offers. Take the money while you can because basketball is under supported finacially compared to rugby and footy but still requires a massive time committment.
To be honest the amount of money going to players like damian scott, trian iliadis etc is approx 100 to 300 a game. Which in reality probably could be afforded by most clubs if they had one sponsor or a fundraiser.
Point system is not wanted but I do like the idea of manditory minimum payments. We want the best players here possible. I think thats the kill making the league as appealing as possible for bigger names and ability.
maybe cut the refs pay and put that toward a player fund?
Chop Shop
Years ago
Lets be honest the logistics of it all will make it difficult to change much.
Compressing the fixture leads to over loading teams (they've even added a week as of last year? to try reduce the number of double headers).
If you shorten the games then you have teams either with the possibility of not playing each other (unlikely) or once (possible). But whether or not that makes for much of a spectacle - who knows. Depends how the league & teams market that.
A bye week makes the most sense to attempt to keep some noise makers happy.
I think everyone is just being ancy about it for something to talk about. Its a semi-professional league, playing on long weekends & days that most people would have off work etc is to be expected. If you don't like it, obviously SBL isn't for you & you aren't overly serious about a career in basketball.
Looking forward to the season 2K16
original poster
Years ago
That is an absolute cop out to say if you dont like it then dont play? So you are saying then that the SEABL is less serious than the SBL? and that the Big V is too? Both these leagues easily cater for the long weekends. You said it yourself it IS a semi pro league... key word SEMI. More than anything there needs to more communication between the league and the people that actually participate. Rather than a North korea set up. To say if you dont like it leave to me depicts an organisation completely unwilling to engage with its investors... the people.
I dont quite understand why its so important that we play every team twice, I understand the reasoning, but is it really necessary when it come to season leangth and double headers etc. Surely it would make your job alot easier? i mean in between games of minesweeper and tinder obviously.
changes
Years ago
I don't think it is just the season fixtures that posters are looking at, but what changes could be made to improve the SBL and get it to the best comp outside of NBL.
Here are some high level options:
- Increase Competition skill level
1) reduce team numbers to reduce spread of talent
2) attract higher quality non-restricted players
3) increase restricted players to 3 per team
4) introduce better second tier comp so players are more developed when entering SBL
5) introduce incentives for teams/players (prize money etc)
6) build better relationship with NBL teams and become an official development league
- Improve Quality of Officials
1) provide a better development program for officials
2) improve dialogue between players/coaches and officials and have forums to get better relations
3) scrap any Point of Emphasis initiatives which always cause issues and fizzle out after first 6 weeks
4) develop the culture of officials where there is more emphasis on being part of the supply chain and not THE supply chain
- Improve crowd numbers and following
1) start games earlier in more family friendly timeslots
2) build more of link between WABL and SBL where junior players have an incentive to attend SBL (maybe competitions to win reduced WABL fees)
3) improve media offerings. (youtube channel, greater social media, interviews with players etc)
Some of the above have potential, while others might not work. The more genuine ideas that posters can generate then maybe something can be done.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Finally great to see some good discussion on here rather than the usual broohaha of whether or not Jake Burston's mole has gotten a date lately... and if it has how did it affect the thurs night comp at The Church!?
Ok first things first... Original Poster wrote "maybe cut the refs pay and put that towards a player fund" - In the words of my boy Trigger 'LEL' Just HOW much do you think the refs are on? Not too sure of current rates but from memory goin back a couple of years Panel 3 was like $70 for a Women's game and $85 for a Men's; Then that went up to Panel 1 around $110 & $130 roughly. Given that most of the refs give up around the same amount of time each weekend as players (Remember most Panel 1 & 2s will regularly ref two games per weekend if they're not rostered in Gero or Kal) then the pay given is barely sufficient when taking into account travel, abuse, stress, clueless spectators etc. So saying ok lets take cash from the one key factor we need to have a game, refs, to give back to the players - is kinda stupid and rather ill-informed.
I agree that maybe something has to be done in regards to the length of the season and making it more appealing for players to manage playing in a semi-professional league whilst also spending time with their loved ones, mates etc too. A while back I posted that I think a way of curbing this would be moving to two conferences. 7 Teams in each conference, with Top 4 teams from each conference going straight into the Finals. 1st in North Conference plays 4th in the south, 2nd N plays 3rd S... you get where I am going here. You play each team in your conference twice (Home and Away) and you play teams in the opposite conference once (Yes like WABL... it works and you just alternate each year as to who plays who were e.g - 2016 Rockingham (South) play Buccs (North) in Geraldton; 2017 Buccs play Flames at Rocko)
It would mean each team would have a 20 game season, and if you reduced it to a 15 week regular season, it would mean around 4 or 5 double headers rather than the 8 or 9 we currently have = More time away from Basketball and with those you would prefer to spend time with.
I would love to see better marketing - YouTube Page (SEABL & Big V do this very well) / Weekly Wrap-Ups / ALL Clubs actively involved with the Radio Show / Regular articles in The West & Community Newspapers.
I don't think the $$ issue can be truly covered though. If clubs are held accountable they will just find loopholes to get away with player payments through sponsorship etc. Is it fair - no, but will it change in its current format... probably not. The League needs three things to maintain its relativity: 1) Buccs & Giants to be relevant / In Finals... If either of these two teams ever got to the point where they were not competitive for several successive years, the League would also suffer in the short and long term. 2) League Honcho's need to figure out a system which penalises clubs for poaching talented WABL players away from their junior clubs just for promises of a quick buck and instant success, whilst killing the development pathways of the so called 'weaker clubs'. 3) Publicity... pump the game in any way shape or form - BBL is popular is heck right now and that's in light of some horrible negative press at the moment but such is the wave that they are on, they're using it to generate more viewers / interest / revenue. Get your clubs out into the local community at local fairs / shopping centres / fundraising initiatives >> If people can relate to just one person they meet at these events, they WILL come to your home games. Then the onus is on you to put forward a game night product that is worthy of making them want to come back... Just my thoughts :-)
Anonymouse
Years ago
A way to approach the "recruiting" of weaker clubs juniors and developed players could be to introduce transfer fees. This could be done with set fees, graded on games played, years played etc. and with an appeal process for disputes.
I like the conference system as described by R@nD0m. It won't prevent the best two teams playing for the championship and has a few benefits that could improve the SBL.
Clubs should be forced to offer information re their recruiting etc. prior to the season as info will create interest. I cannot recall any SBL info on who is on who's roster for the past two years or more. The secrecy thing is bullshit and doesn't provide any advantage to anyone in reality.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Jourdan DeMuynck has signed with Perth Redbacks per https://twitter.com/AkosVeg/status/686196236999880704
Looks like a less athletic shorter version of Justin Cecil..
interested
Years ago
Time will tell but it would appear the Redback imports are not on the level that previous imports have been?
Is this a budget constraint or a change of direction?
Maybe they feel the local contingent is better this year?
fan
Years ago
I'm sure the Redbacks import will be good, Nik tends to pick good ones.
Who are going to be the big improvers this year?
I think Lakeside could be one.
interested
Years ago
- Buccs to drop with new rookie coach, ageing list, potentially no Lewis
- Cockburn to dropoff as roster turnover will not help their chemistry
- Eagles are a bit unknown. Main players are ageing and won't impact as much, don't know if there are any juniors coming thru that can impact
- Flames to drop with no improvement to roster, actually weaker roster
- Giants to drop with departure of Mua.
- Hawks to maintain late season form and be a big overall improver. Assuming they get their 2nd import spot right
- Redbacks to improve after lessons from last season and more balanced team
- Senators to improve with Ellis coaching. Will be hoping their college players come back and make impact
- Slammers to drop as they will miss Ty as coach and player
- Suns to still be bottom of ladder as team will be weaker than last season
- Tigers to improve with upgrade of import/s to counter loss of hayden/burston
- Wolves to hold steady and win it all
Chop Shop
Years ago
Well heres my early predictions for the 2016 season:
1 Joondalup Wolves - still the team to beat. Most reports have the same nucleus together. Timms to have a more prominent role after an injury free pre-season
2 Stirling Senators - everything is shaping up for them to have a break out year IMO & could be the big movers. Showed positive signs last year, with a young talented squad, new stadium, financial backing of the church & Mike Ellis return to senior coaching - the pieces are there.
3 Cockburn Cougars - should continue to flourish under Parsons in year 2. Provided they are able to find another 2x useful imports & the return of Holmes & Thomas work out.
4 Geraldton Buccs - always competitive & always have financial backing to attract good talent. Addition of some Rockingham players & Trahair at the helm could provide the depth Geraldton never seemingly have.
5 Willetton Tigers - dark horse to perform up to their potential. Signing Bowie, keeping most the firepower & trimming the fat. Positioned for a big year but will rank at the middle of the pack until they prove otherwise.
6 Goldfields Giants - Signings of 2x imports, Goodluck (SA) & Nikora (Perth) plus the local brigade will see them be competitive as always & should push for a finals position once again.
7 Lakeside Lightning - Not much out the camp in turns of signings other than Chan (rumoured but not confirmed?). But with a new USA coach & Ronaldson on board, I think this could be their first trip back to post season action since the end of the Stewart era.
8 Perry Lakes Hawks - Hobbs supposedly back on with the typical support cast but have kept a low profile for most the pre season. Always play hard & cant be counted out, so I wont & have them around the same mark as 2015.
9 Southwest Slammers - Losing Harrellson will hurt but hopefully the association learnt a thing or two to sustain some on court success. Will win games, but probably not enough.
10 Rockingham Flames - no word on the Land boys returning & some players headed north to the shores of Geraldton, wins may be hard to come by.
11 Perth Redbacks - another tough year for the boys in Red, downgrade in imports (no Turner or Putney), departure of players & a return to Belmont Oasis - cant see them pushing for a finals position.
12 Mandurah Magic - no home games for 2016. Havent heard of any player movements, so cant see them improving much on last years disastrous finish.
13 East Perth Eagles - Joe Allens first year at the helm. After a tutelage of the legendary John Gardiner he could wind up being a success, but with a very young brigade & no signings announced, they have a long way to go.
14 Kalamunda Eastern Suns - new coach. same story. Expect them to take the wooden spoon again. Lost two promising youngsters in Chan & Holmes, new imports surely having to learn a new system & unflattering signings in Prior, McIllroy & unproven 18 year olds.
Feel free to comment & Discuss
What's the go with Lordan Franich for the Giants? Is he suiting up this season?
I think he is, did his ACL first game last year so should be ready for pre season if everything has gone well.
Not sure why Stirling are ranked so highly, how are they better than last year? I will be surprised to see them do well while Ellis is taking up one of their restricted spots. Need two imports to get enough wins IMO.
Chan is confirmed at Lakeside, but apparently they have lost Jesse Dixon to retirement as well now.
Wolves could go the full year undefeated at this stage
Louis Timms is going to Ty Harrelson's college and won't be playing for wolves so it says on their website.
fan
Years ago
Great feedback! I think Mandurah will do better than you guys picked, they were top 4 most of the season prior to the disastrous finish. Obviously chemistry issues had to be the problem there.
I would like to say the same for Flames and Redbacks but I will have to see what players have left and joined before committing.
Agree that Wolves win again, they are the only team that wins by standing pat for awhile.
Chop Shop
Lakeside made the semis the first year after Stewart departure.
Mandurah lost Big Ben Smith to Flames, Rhett Della to Cougars and Stoveld to Cougars. Although Mully should be a local this season which opens the door for them to get 2 more imports. If they can upgrade on trigger happy Hafford and get another good big they are competitive. Will need Jackson to stay healthy to be consistently winning. It wouldnt hurt if Florance hit a 3 every now and then too.
Slammers should still be tough. Picking up Easley as a local keeps their dream of 4 American born players alive. Retaining Nicholls was huge for them and Weeden returning at some point this season. They just need to find a good replacement for Voelkel, preferrably someone who isnt going to blow a fuse and get ejected every few games. The boy could rebound though!
Chop Shop
Years ago
Just trying to spurn some more relative discussion instead of antics. Happy to be proven wrong if others know better.
Get people talking, the blitz will be here in no time.
Anonymouse
Years ago
Didn't someone mention on here earlier that Luke Neville may be at Stirling.
I didn't see that? But if they do that improves their chances. He was completely unstoppable last time in the league.
fan
Years ago
Luke Nevill would improve any team, he definitely makes Stirling or Perth tough if it is true. I didn't know about Ben Smith to Flames, this is a big loss to Mandurah if true.
In the SBL most coaches would find a legit 7 footer who possesses solid inside play is difficult to defend with guys usually 6'7 or 6'8 matching up. This requires a certain game style to combat
Solid inside play but he also shot 40% from 3 for the season.
Mandurah will surely struggle this year?
Downtown
Years ago
It will be interesting to see how Magic go without having a home court for a season irresepctive of roster changes
Mully being a local this year is huge. They didnt use him much in their offence in 2015 and he looked like he had been on the same training regime as Carter Cook so if they can get him back in shape and touching the ball within 10 feet of the basket regularly they will more than cover what Smith brought inside.
If they can get two solid imports, a big to replace Smith who can stretch the floor a little and a wing to replace Hafford then they shouldnt be too bad. The loss of R.Della will be harder to cover.
Jackson's health is extremely important for them this year. No real margin for error if he has to sit out any games.
ben smith is staying with Mandurah magic , have already signed an import . have lost dellas, gerovich (cougars) samuelson,stoveld (buccs )not sure if taylor mullenax is an aussie yet or this season.will make a difference , also more key signings to come. Mandurah will be playing finals this season.
Chop Shop
Years ago
I know it will never (ever) happen, but I'd love to see the introduction of a trade system for the league.
Imagine how interesting that would get.
Lukosius
Years ago
That would be interesting... but the league cant even bring in public holiday breaks what makes you think theyd bring in a trade system.
Stirling will be tough this year Ellis is a legit coach and exactly what the young crew needs, whether they can produce consistently (throns, woodbury), is another thing. Cody should be hungry to win will help if import is legit. Their stadium is also meant to be decent
Lakeside are another side that will be interesting, Chan finally getting some respect in the league and will only get better with a legit coach.
Perry lakes potentially could perform well this year, hickert rumoured to be headed there,
Ryan smith hadnt played bball in 4 years before this season and stood out in multiple games meaning he will probably get better, dixon coming off season with cats, hobbs back and in same system, cassir back, purser same, garlepp same... any word on their other import?
Mandurah will struggle... as will kalamunda dont know who plays there now.
Chop Shop
Years ago
^^ not Lukosius, just based off the terminology used alone.
Anonymouse
Years ago
I agree. Lukosius has a grip on spelling/grammar. Good post though mate, just get your own name.
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Years ago
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Downtown
Years ago
Who are the likely Aussies to have breakout years this year?
Last season saw guys like Ash Litterick and Jayden Coburn emerge for Senators, Parkinson and Martin for Lightning, Ironmonger for Wolves, Chan at Suns and Pesava for Cougars.
Are any of these guys going to make the jump to being consistent performers in 2016?
Are there any other guys who might make some noise this year?
Chop Shop
Years ago
Litterick I did not think too highly of (but happy to be proved wrong), Coburn has some real promise, but might still be a while away.
Alabakis from Perry Lakes perhaps after training with the Wildcats most the season? But he needs some size on the frame & will obviously be pretty raw at senior level
We'll all have a clearer idea a few weeks into the season I'm sure
really
Years ago
I think Alabakis has signed to play college ball in Louisiana.
U20 state players that may have impact, assuming they get picked for SBL team:
- Matt Vinci - Cockburn
- Daniel Grida - Lakeside
- Corey Shervill - Lakeside
- Jayden Coburn - Stirling
Grida should get consistent minutes at Lakeside and produce before heading to college.
WOMENS 2016 PREDICTIONS.
1. WILLETON +
2. PERRY LAKES +
3. ROCKINGHAM -
4. REDBACKS +
5. WOLVES -
6. LAKESIDE +
7. STIRLING +
8. EAST PERTH +
9. COCKBURN -
10. MANDURAH -
11.KALAMUNDA -
12. S/W SLAMMERS -
Wow you are predicting a fairly considerable shake up for the women there.
Lakeside to rise from bottom to 6th? They are getting two imports and a new coach this year but that's a fair improvement!
Southwest to drop from 6th to last?
Suns from 5th to second last?
Explain?
Downtown
Years ago
Will Vinci see any significant minutes now that Daniel Thomas has returned? Keeping in mind Van Lit is still there. Its not like he can even pinch minutes at the 2 with Lane possibly returning and Pesava showing he is going to be very good at the senior level.
Alabakis is an interesting one to keep an eye on for sure.
Definitely keen to see how Grida and Sherville go in 2016 as both very exciting talents. Both are as long as a summers day and versatile players. Could do with some meat on their bones but Im sure Lakeside will have them locked in that gym and on the protein shakes
And how are Rocko going backwards in the womens with a better team than last year?
Litterick averaged 7.3ppg at 56% from the floor and 5.4 Rb. Not bad for a young kid with no real significant minutes previously.
He started for part of the season too.
Isn't Vinci's work ethic the problem not his playing time?
SBLWA
Years ago
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1. Joondalup
2. Cockburn
3. Willetton
4. Perry Lakes
5. Kalgoorlie
6. Geraldton
7. Stirling
8. Rockingham
9. Lakeside
10. Bunbury
11. Perth
12. Mandurah
13. East Perth
14. Kalamunda
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garbin is going to be away for a chunk. they have been a club that has not copped an injury to an important player for a couple of years , hunger ?
other teams have improved . hawks,tigers,
don't get me wrong they are tough girls who deserve the utmost respect but its just a view.
lakeside will rise they were a team that copped injuries that is why they finished where they did.
slammers going with youth blew their budget to bits last season hence the drop. suns lose dennis,edwards, a lot of depth.
explained.
interested
Years ago
The power ranking looks pretty accurate from the news/rumours during the offseason.
The only one that I would question is Cockburn. I'm not sure I would have them that high.
The major reason for success last season was the way the coach got all the players to buy in to the system and to play together.
Will quite a big player turnover, and adding a few veterans who may not adjust to the system, I think they will drop off a bit from last season.
Anonomouse
Years ago
PL is up there due to "SBLWA" playing for them
Royal Crouch confirmed as Slammers second import.
Starting five of Nichols, Crouch, Easley, Weeden and Worthington will be handy
Wow.. what a name. Has easley been confirmed for slammers? Thought that was crap?
SBLWA
Years ago
In light of recent announcements expect changes when the next SBL rankings are released.
He announced it himself so I'd say its real.
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Anonomouse
Years ago
If you were the real SBL you'd know these things as they must lodge contracts with you in advance of signings being announced.
SBLWA
Years ago
We find out all information through word of mouth.
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This is the kind of crap that will get this thread locked.
Anonymous
Years ago
It would want to be legit or someone will be hearing from BWA legal reps about being sued.
Downtown
Years ago
Im suprised with practically 4 imports, including one of the best players in the league in Nicholls that Slammers are predicted to finish 10th?
Also Kal i think have been underrated.
My prediction
1. Joondalup
2. Goldfields
3. Cockburn
4. Slammers
5. Willetton
6. Geraldton
7. Perry Lakes
8. Rockingham
9. Stirling
10. Lakeside
11. Perth
12. Mandurah
13. East Perth
14. Kalamunda
Sure Goldfields are being underrated they always are, but their issue has been depth. I don't think losing Bowie helps that as it will be tough for the replacement import to be as good as he was. They lost Muo aswell and as far as announced have only replaced him with D. Goodluck. Lucky is a good pickup but after seeing him play I don't think he's anything near what Muo produced.
Anonymouse
Years ago
If you're including Easly as an import, they really only have 3 1/2 imports. He won't help Slammers like he didn't help Perry, E P or Willeton. another 1 year stay with people who won't like playing with him.
Really hard to predict any teams except Joondalup until we see their imports play. One or two guys can really make a big difference to teams that seem ordinary if they fit the system and the locals like playing with them.
Downtown
Years ago
Goldfields have Franich returning to the line up and also picked up Nikora from Redbacks in addition to Goodluck.
Sure losing Bowie and Muo are two big losses but replacing with Manigault, Franich, Goodluck and Nikora is decent.
SBLWA
Years ago
Thats pretty negative, no need to attack the guys character. Please play nice everyone.
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Years ago
Pretend?
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Years ago
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Bit rough questioning Vinci's work ethic - the kids a gym rat.
Attitude has been the problem and it has improved each season.
Chop Shop
Years ago
Vinci is too absorbed in trying to look like some sort of Fremantle king of the street. Until he gives up that sad attitude he'll linger as a could have been.
Stirling announce they have signed Corbyn Wroe.
Is there any word out of Redbacks and East Perth?
Lacko was on here months ago spouting about announcing new recruits in the coming weeks..
Anonymous
Years ago
Lacko has signed the Hale school 1st and 2nd teams to SBL contracts. Just finished negotiating transfer fees for their junior clubs.
Mark Cain
Years ago
Any people looking to cut hair and make a small amount of money?
I love boys.
Downtown
Years ago
I heard State 20s beat Wolves in a scratch match yesterday?
I have no idea but they probably did. Wolves will be just getting back into shape and down a few players most likely.
Any chances Hire suits up this year after getting reduced minutes this year/injury?
interested
Years ago
It would surprise me to hear that the U20 beat the Wolves as they have been getting smashed in most of their other practice matches. It obviously depends on who the Wolves put out on the court.
I will be interested to see how Maxwell goes at Wolves if he returns as suggested. I thought he was a really tough player coming off the bench for them.
Wolves may have suited up their whole team but I doubt anyone of significance would have had a proper run. Just let the division 1 and under 18 players have a run and see what they can do. Maxwell is also a handy snowboarder from what I hear
Anyone hear of Brian Carlwell signing anywhere?
Rumour has it he was floating around Cockburn recently in pretty good shape...
Believe that when I see it!
Is Matacz going round again?
20's smashed the Wolves.
Grand final hangover s still there
kjg
Years ago
womans 2016 predictions
willo
perth
flames
hawks
wolves
lakeside
stirling
cockburn
east perth
eastern suns
magic
slammers
Downtown
Years ago
Wolves rumored to have Rhys Smyth and Reece Maxwell returning to the fold.
With a 2015 championship back court of Questel, Illiadis and Salinas with Ironmonger and Wellsteed coming off the bench, what would this do for these 2 young emerging guys off the bench?
It would reduce their minutes for sure. Ironmonger is ready for significant minutes but Wellsteed probably needs another year at D league.
Not sure why PL would be going after Carwell, didn't they learn from the 7 footer experiment last year?
Tommy "" t train "" remmerswall and exciting u-20 state member and Kalgoorlie lad sam julitz to join Mandurah magic.
interested
Years ago
Solid (literally...) front court with Big Ben Smith, Mully, and Remmers if they are all at Mandurah.
Remmers will be good replacement for Della.
Magic would need to get an athletic 2/3 man otherwise they may be a bit slow to cover some teams.
Wolves just ridiculously talented. Etteridge must be good in managing expectations and egos.
The rumours will be replaced by facts soon with teams starting to play practice games and the Blitz just around the corner.
kjg
Years ago
WOMEN 2016
1. TIGERS lose wallbutton and kenneddy and antonio,
Will probably gain a lynx player.will be hungry.
2. PERTH Gain wallbutton,mercer,gillmore,ajay jones,bianca donovan,
Retain hayward, jakens and Osulivan. say no more.
3.Flames gain Kennedy and pether,garvin late back,sami whitcome 3 championships plus league mvps, will win mvp in wnbl, needs to cash in at seabl nothing to prove hear.
4.HAWKS GAIN doccy instantly makes any team better,with an imoport will improve heaps.
5.WOLVES big loss with mercer,may lose a couple of others, new coach, always tough.
6. LAKESIDE lose pether, new coach, 2 imports,no injuries will improve.
7. STIRLING new coach, new import, need a point guard,will be more than competitive.
kjg
Years ago
WOMAN 2016 CONT;
8. COCKBURN new coach and import, not much else will need a 2nd import.
9.EAGLES Dont appear to lose anyone, great coach but if they dont recruit,much the same as last year.
10. SUNS. new coach, lose a couple of players to college, will need 2 really good imports,but will struggle early.
11. MAGIC. Milo back,but will lose a couple and if no import not even coach of the year will save them.
12. SLAMMERS Lose donovan apparently no imports, will struggle.
Downtown
Years ago
Jackson
Import
Rimmers
Smith
Mully
thats a tough starting 5 for Magic.
If Mully was classed as a local this year, which is what Im hearing then the addition of another import to this list would make them real tough.
They would be extremely big, but not sure it would work out as a great lineup. Running Remmers at the 3 would be tough. Most SF would get past him in one step.
Mandurah dont have a lot of depth either, Florance is too inconsistent, is B Della going around again?
Really
Years ago
If they got an import 2 and import 3 then had remmers and florance off bench then they would be real tough
Anonymous
Years ago
Rumours - Balcombe at Willeton and Florence not at Magic.
Where will Magic get the money for three or four imports?
really
Years ago
Think Anon is confused with all the numbers.
A line up of
1- Jackson
2 - Import (like McDowell)
3 - Import (like Swing)
4 - Ben Smith
5 - Mully
Bench
- Remmers
- Florance
- Locals
That lineup would challenge Wolves
1. They probably don't have the $ to get two imports of that quality.
2. They likely had to pay Remmers and Smith to move/stay at Magic. Smith talked to a few clubs and wanted the same money or more to move from Mandurah.
3. How much depth behind those two on the bench? Injuries etc.
No way they challenge Wolves.
Chop Shop
Years ago
agree with above.
No money to secure that calibre of import & they'll be lucky to compete for an spot in the 8 let alone
really
Years ago
Both McDowell and Swing came virtually out of college so would likely have come on the minimum to start with (no chance of getting them back to SBL now even if you throw cash at them).
They were just used as examples of the type of players that they should be looking at.
At this stage, on paper, they will def compete for top 8. But all will unfold in a couple weeks as the actual teams are known.
I'm sure there will be a few surprises but probably no where near the player movement as has been suggested on this forum over the past months.
Downtown
Years ago
Its funny how people think because a guy is dominant in the league they must be getting paid more money than other imports.
Plenty of examples of guys over the last few seasons who came either right out of college or early in their careers either on work visas or base minimum.
Anthony Lee
Lee Roberts
Quinn McDowell
Jordan Swing
Trey Nicholls
Brian Voelkel
If you recruit right it doesnt have to break the bank. Heck, if any combination of those guys above were on that Magic list around Smith, Mully, Jackson and Rimmers Id say they are contenders to win the whole thing.
Chop Shop
Years ago
The SBL has long been known as a development league for American players.
They come out here, throw up big/impressive or improved numbers in order to secure a better job elsewhere.
Only a few generally go onto greener or better pastures & maintain a long & healthy career. While the rest return home & slowly but surely fade into obscurity once again or generally find their way back to the SBL.
Straight of college automatically makes them on base minimum? Lakeside always pay their imports well hence the ability to consistently obtain great talent.
Swing was also in the NBA D league and the Canadian National league before the SBL.
Chop Shop
Years ago
Jordan Swing is an excellent example (& for the record he is a good player).
Not a huge stand out prospect at UAB. Had two solid seasons averaging 11 & 13.9ppg respectively before his final season dipped off to 5.6ppg.
Comes out to SBL & throws up near 30ppg, looks impressive & even has people talking that the wildcats should give him a look.
Goes to D-league where he averages a measly 4ppg & in his 3 euro league games he is averaging a whole 2ppg.
SBL = American development league.
Downtown
Years ago
Nobody said if they were straight out of college it automatically means they are on base minimum. But it shows with these guys that you CAN get them here on that amount.
I get what you're saying. Smart recruiting is more important than what you can pay the import.
Chop Shop
Years ago
Cody Ellis return to Stirling made official via Stirling website.
Carwell was fairly dominant back in 2012 but not sure how he fits in with PL with his size and fitness/speed. They play such a frantic pace.
Ellis is good for Stirling but it means they can't get two imports.
slammers and Mandurah women will both have 1 import I think both will need some help from what im hearing however. there has been no-one saying anything. they don't have any ties to the lynx or other power clubs in the SBL so I don't think anyone really cares. slammers have lost a few including Donovan. Mandurah have lost 7-8 girls I believe including both Sidebottoms to flames , smith to suns. anyway good luck to them . 3 peat coming up.
swish
Years ago
Do any of the womens teams actually have a chance of beating Rockingham? They sound loaded.
Downtown
Years ago
Who would win a 1 on 1 game between Brian Carlwell and Jason Ring?
Who would win in a fight between a grilled cheese and a taco?
there will be teams to challenge them . it depends on who and where some of the eastern state lynx girls play. barr,mijovic,wischer,chilcott,lavey and if burton plays.
Barr, Wischer and Chilcott are mediocre, they wont have a huge impact at SBL level. I doubt Lavey and Burton will play SBL with Rio coming up
Balcz
Years ago
Balcombe confirmed at Willo. Bringing the homie Nikola Donlagic with me.
Will be like Sapphire Bar on Friday nights all over again.
Downtown
Years ago
Armour, Scott, Bowie, Cody, Jervis?/Import
Black, Dongalic and Balcombe is a pretty decent roster
Lukosius
Years ago
Jervis and Hire will be restricted. Official 'NBL Restricted Player List' came out today.
Hire would be 'unrestricted' once he plays 150 games with the Wolves. He's on around 120 at the moment so a while to go.
As far as the Lynx are concerned, the following are 'restricted':
Lavey
Whitcomb
Laney
Tomlinson
Burton
Mijovic
Edmondson
All the rest are unrestricted.
Jervis has hit the 150 mark hasn't he? With the eagles?
Has he been rumored to move?
Chop Shop
Years ago
Word around town was Willo enquired about his services...& with no Adam Forde at EP this year I guess there is no real allegiance to them.
Will Michael Vigor be returning to Perth?
really
Years ago
Armour, Scott, Bowie, Cody, Jervis?/Import
Black, Dongalic and Balcombe is a pretty decent roster
add Josh Johnson to that as well.
Interesting that 4 of those players have played at Eagles with 3 of them being long term EP.
Not sure that will be the Willo lineup but with 5 of the 9 being non-willo and Armour a bit of journeyman, there is a definite change in approach here.
Without any negative to that program, it is interesting that a club with the dominance in juniors had to recruit Eagles players to compete for championship.
Why is this?
Every year there are teams that seem to be stacked but when they hit the court can just never pull it together
Willo/Redbacks last year are good examples.
splash bro
Years ago
Johnson is a good guy off the bench for them provided he can stay healthy. Can also add Mitch Clarke to that bench list.
Even if Dongalic was not to join and they just got Balcombe its a very different approach to when Foster was coach.
Interesting hearing Corey Shervill is now at Lakeside who was probably one of their best juniors coming through. You would think he could have played a bench role for them in SBL this year?
Not sure on the motivation behind recruiting EP players, maybe with Armour having played there is some connection?
Hearing Shervill impressing at Lakeside training.
Matt Vinci from Cockburn has trained with Lakeside.
Anon
Years ago
Jervis has played just over 150 games with EP, he started off restricted but was no longer restricted during their championship season. Only played one game last season, and was unrestricted then. But is looking for more money this season.
Donlagic staying with East Perth, playing alongside his younger brother Andrej.
Chudier Pal also a strong chance to suit up for Eagles after being spotted with Forde at Wildcats. Forde still involved at club behind the scenes.
Yeah I thought that was wrong from Lukos above, doubt it's the real.
Hire has played 143 games for the Wolves I believe.
Happy to be corrected Lukosious?
if chaudier paul is to go to east perth, rockingham are in a world of pain. I think their coach has sat on his hands way too long. unless he is going to pull a rabbit out of the hat. they may go down as the smallest team in the history of the SBL.
Lukosius
Years ago
Games Played
Greg Hire:
2005 - 17
2006 - 26
2007 - 12
2008 - 10
2009 - 11
2010 - 18
2011 - 29
2012 - 15
Total - 138 (all with the Wolves)
Tom Jervis:
2005 - 20 (Eagles)
2006 - 3 (Redbacks)
2009 - 8 (Eagles)
2010 - 25 (Eagles)
2011 - 28 (Eagles)
2012 - 31 (Eagles)
2013 - 29 (Eagles)
2014 - 15 (Eagles)
2015 - 1 (Eagles)
Total - 160 (157 with Eagles, 3 with Redbacks)
Therefore Hire is still restricted but Jervis is unrestricted if he plays for East Perth.
Wolves don't really need two imports so basically leaves it up to Hire to rejoin the team if he wants.
Jervis is more interesting, could probably get a lot more $ by leaving and taking a restricted spot at another club. But if he stays at eagles and they get two tough imports automatically makes them very good.
interested
Years ago
What is the Wildcats view on their players being in the SBL? It seems like there have been less Wildcats in the last couple of seasons. Is that a directive from the Wildcats or is it more of a decision from the players themselves.
Jervis makes nearly any team a legit title contender if he moves to them. Against the Redbacks a couple of seasons ago in the finals, both Roberts and Stan were clearly worried about his shot blocking ability and also the zone... His presence on court is massive in SBL.
If Hire plays for Wolves then they will surely have some serious problems with minutes. Hire, Seb, Trian, Huntington, Damo, Questel, Davis (import?), Ironmonger all competing for the 240 minutes.
Not sure, but if Hire does play for the Wolves may as well hand them the championship and go on holiday.
Just Sayin'
Years ago
Lukosias, I'm not sure of the rules but surely Hire hasn't played enough minutes over the last two years to be classed as restricted??
Yeah he has. He only has to average 10 mins a game to be classed as restricted.
Lukosius
Years ago
Yep he has.
This NBL season, and up until last week, he has played 287mins in 22 games (13mins per game) which takes him over the limit of 10mins per game.
He is on the official "Restricted Player List" which was released by the NBL last week.
fan
Years ago
Jervis does turn any team in this league into a contender, he is the best shot blocker in the nbl so that speaks for itself.
Just an extra to interested comments- that year against Perth in the semi's both Stan and Lee were greatly restricted by the archaic 80's style post oriented offense they used. I respect coach Lackovic as I believe he has done some great things for the league, including some great imports being bought over. However running a post offense vs a height/ size disadvantage is ridiculous. And the Iowa zone offense is no better in that respect, it is no surprise the Redbacks are getting zoned constantly these days.
splash bro
Years ago
I do also recall the refs putting the whistles away a lot of the times Stan and Lee took the ball to the basket against Jervis. But thats where teams need to be able to adjust and go to other looks. It seemed like they were unable to do that in that series.
Not sure on why there havent been as many Wildcats guys in the SBL over recent years but one thing that is apparent is that the standard of the league drops without them there.
Going back to around 2009 and 2010 the league saw Jesse Wagstaff, Stephen Weigh, Cam Tovey, Daniel Johnson, Sam Harris, Paul Rogers, Damian Martin (a few games), Matt Knight (a few games), Greg Hire, Brad Robbins, Alex Loughton, Jeff Dowdell all playing in the SBL. Throwing in decent imports around these guys saw the standard go through the roof.
Chop Shop
Years ago
Because Nick Marvin & co don't want their key investments risking injury over the off-season.
^Guessing why? Or do you know for sure that they have been told they cannot play in the SBL.
Lukosius
Years ago
Magic will probably still have trouble this year, pretty much all rests on the import swing man
There is no incentive for established nbl players on longer contracts to play in the SBL. Especially with limited payments available in the metro area.
So imports confirmed so far?
Cockburn:
Najee Lane returning
Marcus Goode
East Perth Eagles:
?
Geraldton Buccs
Carter Cook returning
Maurice Barrow
Goldfields
Kenny Manigault
Jacob Holmen returning
Joondalup
Kevin Davis returning
Kalamunda Suns
Brandon McGill
Lakeside
Daniel Alexander
TJ Hallice
Mandurah Magic
?
Perry lakes
Bryton Hobbs returning
Brian Carwell??
Perth
??
Flames
??
South west
Royal Crouch
Tre Nichols returning
Stirling Senators
Kyle Lindbergh returning
Willeton
Jay Bowie
Fill in the blanks?
Chop Shop
Years ago
Eastern Suns:
Jacopo Marsili
Perth Redbacks:
Reed McConnell
Jourdan Demuynck
Chop Shop you idiot
east perth not eastern suns
http://www.perugiabasket.com/news/383159814/the-down-under-dream-by-jacopo-marsili
Lukosius
Years ago
Apparently the Land's power is alot like Samson, although in this case it lies in their rats tails rather than the entire scalp.
I'm not sure why they want to get T. Land back. I imagine it's a package type of deal with the brothers. He's a great PG and very solid defensively but he really hasn't got much to offer offensively.
Greeny
Years ago
"Awesome, more Mastrovich bs"
He's signed, been at training but has an out clause if he to NZNBL.
Stirling will be strong, so the race for second spot behind Wolves looks good.
???
Years ago
Did he play in the NZNBL last season? Is that classified on the restricted leagues, therefore restricted player?
Lukosius
Years ago
It is not. And he did, he started for one of the south island teams. I think they are called the South Island Team Maoris or something from memory.
Downtown
Years ago
So if the above is true, Stirling would have a roster somewhat like this:
Nic Illiadis
Austin Bruton
Josh Throns
Corban Wroe
Tom Witts
Cody Ellis
Kyle Lindbergh
Adrian Majstrovich
Ryan Woodbury
Ash Litterick
Jayden Coburn
Caleb Davis
Thats a tough 12 with good balance across the board and a good mix of veterans and younger talent.
Who plays the three? Mastro is getting older and probably can't, Lindbergh might be the sensible option but he can't really shoot threes and Ellis can shoot but will get killed trying to defend the three.
??
Years ago
Firstly, I don't think Ellis gets killed at sbl level. Most of the guys he is guarding now would be quicker and more skilled than anyone playing the 3 in sbl.
Then u have throns, coburn, Woodbury and even Caleb Davis who could play the 3.
I'm sure mike Ellis will know how to best play his roster to cover, might play a lot of zone, then they would at least beat the Redbacks right.
both stirling and Cockburn have been dealt the kiss of death this season good luck.
Chop Shop
Years ago
That the teams were kissed.
Possibly of the venomous variety.
Now they have a genuine risk of dying unless they seek appropriate medical treatment as soon as possible.
Chop Shop
Years ago
^^ the troll is back.
Probably the same guy using the Lukosius name as well.
Chop Shop
Years ago
Im just so bloody sick of it guys because like I work really really hard to be a douchebag on this anonymous forum, crafting a username that is just mine, for some troll to come along and use the very same technique I've adopted against me... is just... well... its just...annoying hey.
???
Years ago
If that is correct about Matt Vinci, then Lakeside have done a pretty good job in attracting some high quality juniors.
Corey Shervill
Matt Selby
Michael Garbellini
Frank Johnson
Matt Vinci?
All state players and 3 of them in this years U20 state team.
Chop Shop
Years ago
Good coaches, experience and the potential for opportunity, makes sense really.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-5011-0-0-0&sID=78732&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=40241652
Nice "where are they now" article posted to the SBL website by Adam Forde. I think it proves the league has been and can continue to be a good launching pad for import players. Clubs should really push this point in their recruiting drives.
The league needs more quality, well researched journalism like this from people who actually know the games as opposed to some of the dribble we see in the game recaps etc.
agreed, was great by adam, lots of spelling errors but any quality content like this is awesome for the league. Still trying to figure out what BWA do
Good for the league as he was dominant back in 2012. Hopefully he can work his way back into shape.
Make Em Say Uh
Years ago
Well researched?
Read like it was straight off a Draft Express page with some words thrown in to me.
Credit in remembering some old names though.
Without knowing them all personally how could an article like that have more detail? Why are you complaining? Did you get cut from EP a couple years ago?
splash bro
Years ago
good read from Adam and does give some insight into the calibre of some of the players we actually can attract here and as the discussion suggested earlier on generally at the beginning of their pro careers.
Id love to read a round 2 of this concept and hear where guys like Quinn McDowell, Brad Tinsley and Anthony Lee went onto play.
???
Years ago
It would be good to see the key stats for each as well PPG/MPG/RBG
Tinsley was crazy to watch. Dude looked like a high school maths teacher and still dominated.
On July 29, 2015, he signed a one-year deal with FC Porto of the Liga Portuguesa de Basquetebol
Just spoke to a well known SBL Redbacks personality at the Cats game frothing to tell me Mike Vigor is back for them this year.
splash bro
Years ago
So has the mass exodus at Redbacks that everyone was so adamant was going to happen actually taken place?
So far their roster looks like
Joel Wagner
Jack Wagner
Ben Smith
Lewis Thomas
Mike Vigor
Imports x 2
Jameson Lewis
Im only aware of Nikora and Prior departing for Goldfields and Suns respectively.
Are Dennis and Zach playing for them?
interested
Years ago
Yeah it may have been a little blown up in regards to mass exodus...
It is always likely that the imports will turn over, although Turner is probably someone that you would like to keep.
Prior wasn't really a part of their team last season anyway.
Losing Dennis would be a big lose, but the others were essentially role players who didn't really have a significant part of the rotation.
If they do add Vigor and Thomas then that would more than cover any losses.
Blockah
Years ago
Sounds like no bigs then at the Reds this year.
Cant picture Thomas playing the 5.
Vigor an unknown as to when he will arrive.
No Tawhiti & Makavilitongia.
The two imports are perimeter players.
Who fills the big spots? Its a team of swingmen & guards that all play the same roles.
solomon grundy
Years ago
http://www.hoops.com.au/forum/38908-new-post/?a=165
If anyones interested some ideas for the blitz
Downtown
Years ago
Well if Vigor returns he is a big and can play the 5. Thomas is a stretch 4 but still classed as a big. That said with Dennis and Zac no longer there they are one decent big short to come off the bench.
Maybe after being so post focused last year with Turner there, Lako is going for a smaller, more mobile lineup and perhaps a different game style?
Playing a faster pace may make it a little harder for teams to zone them as much?
Blockah
Years ago
Word around is Lako hasn't even been at training the last couple of weeks? Is he still coaching?
Downtown
Years ago
So according to Blokah
Redbacks have no bigs and no coach?
might be 0-2 right off the bat
Blockah
Years ago
I didnt say they had no coach, but have heard he has been MIA?
Feel free to correct me
interested
Years ago
Is Trav Moore still playing for Flames?
Franich must be to cover the loss of Remmers to Magic.
Inside Sauce
Years ago
Thats a mobile/athletic front court, moore and franich
narrrrt
splash bro
Years ago
Franich is pretty athletic these days. Maybe not in a speed sense but can jump pretty well off 2 feet
with jake burston and hayden noordehoek no longer in the league there is little to talk about
Will Nic Cody still be able to play with all the tears?
tasty source
Years ago
I have heard from Cody himself that he actually uses the tears for fuel and although tired from his travels, (did a range of basketball individuals and demonstations up and down the Thailand coast for charity), is ready for a big BIG season.
Mandurah's new import announced - Trevor Setty. 6 ft 8 swingman, played in Europe for the past couple of years. Looks like another Hafford
Probably be a little better than Hafford. Looks like a poor mans J. Swing.
Very Sad to hear of the passing of Vivienne Austin an Icon of Cockburn Basketball .Viv was the "lady on the door" for many years at SBL, WABL and Domestic basketball . We will all miss this cheerful lady Deepest sympathy to her boys Glen and Ryan and to her Basketball family
Kalamunda announce import signings... going to be another really tough year for them.
Do they have anyone over 6ft 2"???
The Euro guy is the same import that signed for the Eagles last year then disappeared after 3-4 games?
how many Europeans have played in the state league . I think its fascinating to see how kalamundas import will line up.
i think it will be fascinating to see how kalamunda go period!
Wolfs have signed Kevin and Bobby Davis. Brothers?
Wiggons
Years ago
Any teams pursuing the possibility of Jarrod Kenny at all?
Interesting another Davis for the Wolfpack. Any info about this dude, guys?
Wolfpack b2b this season let's go.
Wolfpack Basketball
Years ago
Our 2016 Imports Announced
http://www.communitynews.com.au/joondalup-times/sport/Part-of-the-Wolves-pack/7682577
Follow us on Twitter & Instagram @WolfpackSBL
???
Years ago
Thanks for that WolfPack basketball.
Reading the article, it would appear Bobby Evans decided to relocate to Perth on a working holiday visa, and then Wolves came calling???
A lot of luck there or the article is slighty inaccurate and the Wolves were involved with him making the decision to come here and play.
Anonymous
Years ago
I think he came here with his partner. If it's who I think it is, he's shopped himself around to several clubs.
???
Years ago
So are these the imports this year:
Wolves - Kevin Davis & Bobby Evans
Willetton - Jay Bowie & ?
Magic - Mullenax & Trevor Setty
Hawks - Brian Carlwell Bryton Hobbs
Eagles - ?
Suns - Brandon McGill & Jacopo Marsili
Cougars - Marcus Goode
Buccs - Maurice Barrow & Carter Cook
Giants - Kenny "KJ" Manigault & Jacob Holmen
Lakeside - ?
Redbacks - Reed McConnell & ?
Stirling - Ellis & Kyle Lindbergh
Slammers - Tre Nichols & Royal Crouch
Flames - Taylor & Cooper Land
Downtown
Years ago
Lakeside imports - TJ Hallice and Daniel Alexander
???
Years ago
Lets do a pre-season grading on how the teams have gone in their recruiting (or lack of...) for the import spots.
Buccs - Maurice Barrow & Carter Cook
Have struggled to keep a 2nd import over the last couple of seasons. Barrow looks to be a solid recruit who can score and rebound. Carter is a seasoned vet who keeps getting the job done.
Grade - B
Cougars - Marcus Goode
Went with two imports last season. Unless there is another coming then they may be going with one this season. Goode is a huge man and had a good college career at a D2 college. The concern would be his conditioning and the ability to compete in the SBL which is traditionally a 'small' league and he will have to guard smaller, more mobile players.
Grade - D (if this is their only recruit)
Eagles - No comment
Giants - Kenny "KJ" Manigault & Jacob Holmen
Holmen is a proven import and numbers likely to go up this season as he knows the league. Manigault looks like an outstanding talent and being NAIA player of the year shows he can perform on the big stage.
Grade - A
Hawks - Brian Carlwell Bryton Hobbs
Hobbs really adjusted well to the league as the season went on and was a big reason for the Hawks fast finish. Rumours of unrest with his attitude must not be true if they are bringing him back. Now the Hawks are taking a big risk on Carlwell. He hasn't played for two seasons and at his size/condition there is a big risk that he gets injured. (remember their import problems last season with injury) If he stays healthy and regains the form of his last playing season then this is a good pairing.
Grade - B* (star is if Carlwell stays healthy)
Flames - Taylor & Cooper Land
Going with the same guys. No what you are getting and they have stability in roster. Expect them to get some wins early and then struggle as other teams find their groove. Sounds familiar to the last couple seasons.
Grade - C
Lakeside - TJ Hallice and Daniel Alexander
From all reports the new imports are solid without being special. Lakeside have had some of the better imports over the years so it will be interesting to see how these guys go.
Grade - C
Magic - Mullenax & Trevor Setty
Mully struggled last season based on what he has done in previous years. He is still strong down low but his mobility really hurts them on D. Now Setty, very interesting articles of him being released twice from teams in the BBL. Not sure he is the best option they could have gone with, he might improve with the support of veteran players in Smith and Mully.
Grade - D
Redbacks - Reed McConnell & Jourdan Demuynck
Not the usual high profile imports that Redbacks have recruited. Ray Turner was elite, so anything else is hard to compare. Having two solid contributers may be what Redbacks need rather than one player dominating the ball.
Grade - C
Slammers - Tre Nichols & Royal Crouch
Tre was one of the better players in SBL last season even if he did disappear in the GF. Royal Crouch just sounds like a player. A solid player at Ty's school who will be hard to guard with his athletic ability.
Grade - B
Stirling - Ellis & Kyle Lindbergh
Ellis should be better after having an improved NBL season. Lindbergh was average last season. Having Ellis as a restricted player makes it tough without being able to get that 3rd import level player.
Grade - C
Suns - Brandon McGill & Jacopo Marsili
Does the word budget come to mind. McGill was cut quickly by Cougars so there is a big ? on him. Not sure if Marsili was recruited or just happened to be in Perth.
Grade - D
Willetton - Jay Bowie & ?
Tigers have probably not made any friends with Giants after taking their import from last season, but this is mens bball so these things happen. Bowie was a big time player last season, but will likely see less of the ball this year so his production might go down although he made be more efficient. Word is that Tigers are chasing a 5 man, either Jervis or import.
Grade - C (only one import at this stage)
Wolves - Kevin Davis & Bobby Evans
So Bobby Evans just happened to be in Perth on a working holiday visa and found his way to Wolves. Doesn't really matter as they have got him. Etteridge would have done homework and reached out to contacts so expect Evans to play his role well. Davis seemed to be the perfect fit and played his role well.
Grade - B
Downtown
Years ago
Alexander from Lakeside reportedly very good.
Following Payne, Beran, Tinsley and Swing will have a lot to live up to.
WSBL IMPORTS-RESTRICTED
cougars- thorton
senators- land, lingbergh
flames-whitcomb, garbin
slammers- 1 import
magic 1-import
lakeside 2-imports
hawks- burton,edmondson
eagles ?
wolves- 1 import ,wischer
suns- 2 imports
redbacks- no imports going with local talent ha ha.
tigers- Tomlinson
these are only rumours I have heard on the grapevine
I think the womens comp may be a keenly contested race this yr with plenty of excitement around .
ayone got some truth about any of the above.
Hogwash
Years ago
So at this stage all teams (except Eagles) have their two imports in place (Willo will 100% get a second import/NBL player).
It then makes you wonder what is happening up at Morley. Last year their big-minutes players were Dech, Williamson, Vague, Barnett & Tupaea.
Dech has gone to college (or has he, see below), Williamson is older, and Tupaea is the coach.
Nothing on their website or FB page. Are EP even going around again? If they are, they are way behind the eightball.
Or are they going to surprise everyone by signing two imports late in the process, and then adding Jervis who is now unrestricted with them.
On the subject of Sunday Dech... where's he at?
Left for college (Metro State, Mark Worthington's old college) a few months ago, but hasn't played a game. Surely he hasn't quit?
kjg
Years ago
wabl imports or restricted
magic 2 imports
east perth jones and maffin?
Sunday
Years ago
Sunday is red-shirting this year. Will be playing next season. Has seriously worked on his hops.
bowtie
Years ago
Been trying to check the story that James Harvey will be involved in WASBL whilst on work transfer for 8 weeks, middle of 2016 season. Guess on a coaching level? The more local guys,retired from the NBL, that get involved with their State Leagues, the better.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Heard Perth & Willetton had a hit out earlier this week? Anyone see the game?
Downtown
Years ago
didnt see it but apparently Redbacks won by about 10
no bowie, second import or armour for tiges
reds full strength
Garbin is unrestricted for Flames
Whitcomb and Cannon on the same team....
wow that is an awesome team for the flames. give them the trophy know 3 peat coming up.$$$$$$$$$
they would win a few 3 on 3 comps with those 3 as well
Emma Cannon.
If true, then as strange as it sounds but Whitcomb (as a back to back League WSBL MVP and current Lynx MVP) may not even be the best player on her SBL team anymore.
hhh
Years ago
if all the rumours are true about flames they will have the 2 best womans teams in the league.
???
Years ago
Saw the result of the Tigers v Redbacks game.
A win is a win, but from all accounts the Reds imports not that impressive. (but this may be encouraging for Reds as they have capacity to improve)
And adding Kyle and Bowie into Tigers obviously changes things dramatically, plus another import.
More of interest would be who actually played:
Can anyone add to this:
Reds (McConnell, Demuynck, Wagner x 2, Thomas, Smith, Lewis)
Tigers (Scott, Johnson, Black, Clarke, Cody, Casey, Collins)
Any other scratch match results?
Anonymous
Years ago
Cougars played Hawks yesterday. A player sustained a broken ankle but don't know who or even from which team.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Hearing that Tom Jervis will be suiting for for Willetton in the second half of the season.
???
Years ago
Jervis will guarantee at least an 80% win ratio for any part of the season he is available. If not more.
It will be interesting to see what his availability is if Jawai doesn't get signed by Cats for next year. If Jervis is projected to be promoted into starting 5 for cats he may not play SBL.
What is the appetite for risk from Tigers? Wait for Jervis to find out his availability changes or go with an import from day 1 and at least know he is around for the season and playoffs???
Surely Eagles could get a better import than Hafford? Even with budget constraints...
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Hafford might be ok in East Perth. There is no one else on the roster who is going to take the shots.
East Perth have been MIA this off season. Who do they even have?
Splash bro
Years ago
Hafford might be ok in East Perth if they want a guy who will shoot it every single time he touches it. Whether he is open or not. Whether he is 1-15 or 0-8.
Don't think he would get a reference from Mandurah Don't believe he will play in WA again.
Downtown
Years ago
Brandon McGill surely didnt get a reference from Cockburn when they released him 5 minutes after arriving there. Still Kalamunda welcomed him with open arms.
crazier things have happened!
Hafford and Williamson seeing who can jack the most would be fun to watch on one level at least.
McGill was only released because Najee Lane decided he wanted to return/became available again.
Nothing to do with McGill and his character or ability.
hahaha and you have that on what authority?
He was released because they felt he wasnt the player he was advertised to be and on top of that had attitude problems
Well thats just terrible scouting by Cockburn then. He has a tonne of film online. They should have done a better job
???
Years ago
From my understanding he was already in Perth before Cockburn made contact and then they signed him?
You can't tell the character of a player until they are out here and in your environment.
So disagree that Cockburn did a bad job in regards to the character side, but agree to a certain point in regards to him not being the level of player they thought.
Having said this, highlight tapes and game film are not always a guarantee of a player's ability and fit within your system. All players are only going to upload film that make them look good.
Time will tell if he is a player that can contribute at SBL level, the Suns sure need him to be an elite level import.
You cant tell attitude from a game tape. Cockburn would have made the decision based on what he offered at training which obviously wasnt what they expected or wanted.
Heres a good question
Even if a guy can flat out play is it worth having them if they have a terrible attitude?
Maybe the folks up in Gero can shed some light on this having released various imports over the last 5 or 6 years who could fill it up but were not the right kind of 'people' they were looking for
???
Years ago
My simple answer is, it depends...
What is your roster like, what is your club culture, can the coach handle the player etc...
For some teams, having that flat out player will give them the shot at the championship and be the difference. For other teams the attitude will be to the detriment of the team no matter how good a player he is.
At SBL level the player would have to be pretty special to be able to overcome a poor attitude.
Unfortunately most clubs don't have the finances to replace an import so the background checking is paramount and then if they still get a knucklehead they have to make the most of a bad situation.
Supernintendo Chalmers
Years ago
"Even if a guy can flat out play is it worth having them if they have a terrible attitude?"
Nice try, Geordie Cullen.
in 2013 Buccs signed and released Spencer Perrin before he even arrived after comments he made in the media about a $1million contract, private planes and beachside apartments being part of his package with the Buccs.
Signed Jamine Peterson as Perrin's replacement and released him 2 weeks into the season. Not because he couldnt play, he was unstoppable on the court. Carter Cook was then signed and has been there ever since.
Will also remember they released Quincy Hankins Cole last year despite having great numbers.
Im sure the Buccs being the professional organisation they are do as much homework on these guys as they can but as ??? said sometimes you just dont know till they get here
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Cole was a lol. No one ever saw him outside of training & game day apparently.
god knows what he was doing
it also looked like he would talk to himself when he was on the court. the weird looks even his teammates would give him was something to be seen
Apparently Daniel Alexander had 44 in Lakeside's first game last night.
Tonight in Rocko the Flames D League team took on the Flames legends on court 2 (in between 2 social netball games).
In front of a crowd of 12, the current Flames players took out a close lifeless battle while most people were watching the Wildcats on Fox.
One suspects this was nothing more than a nostalgic p**s-up for the old boys that wasn't organised properly and couldn't even afford the privilege of setting up the Trav Moore show court for the annual battle.
The old boys looked more organised by bringing in many past players and coaches while the current team was a bit undermanned on the court and the sidelines.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Less than a week out from the Blitz.
Any word if teams will be fielding full strength/under strength sides?
Teams who have had their imports out for a month or more usually play them. The others won't be cleared.
Really looking forward seeing the country teams in action , generally they play the better line ups due to not having as much chance to play scratchies
goldfields import plus the SA boy, geros import plus the qld boy. and of course royal crouch.
should be a fun w-end and I hope all teams get thru unscathed .
Pretty sure the Goldfields SA guy is not here yet.
Who is the QLD gero player?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Redbacks former import Raphiel Putney is currently the #6 ranked call-up prospect in the NBA D-League. That's quite the turnaround.
Anonymouse
Years ago
Was he the spidery one or the one who was sacked early?
He was the skinny taller one, made a decent impact while he was here. But the stats hes putting up in the D League suggest he should have dominated the SBL.
Anonymouse
Years ago
J Garlepps blind pick may have left him a little timid while in Perth. And don't forget who was coaching him. He did look like he could play and Turner would have demanded a lot of the ball.
Oli Clothing
Years ago
What's the news on Ben Purser?
Heard he is pursuing a spot on the hit TV show "Suits" as the new gay lawyer.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Anonymous
Years ago
He'll be at Perry Lakes tomorrow night training, so go ask him yourself you spineless turd.
Anonymouse
Years ago
Just had a look at the SBL Transaction Tracker. Last updated in 2014. Laughable really for an organization trying to garner interest in a competition.
Lol didn't even know that existed. SBL should definitely have a designated media / social media manager. Could even be a job for a journalism student. Wouldn't take much effort but would make a big difference in terms of how people view the league. The NBL made huge leaps in this area in 2016 and its really paid dividends IMO.
Oli Clothing
Years ago
Spineless turd?
Good one "Anonymous".
Why in the heck would you be scared of Ben Purser?
offishhh
Years ago
Hey guys,
The SBL works really hard on its social media presence.
Just check out our website,
sbl.asn.au
and also our hyper successful instagram...
https://www.instagram.com/sblwa/
All the best for all teams headed into the blitz and remember to tag SBLWA with your happy snaps over the weekend.
Anonymouse
Years ago
Yep, working hard and doing a great job.
Eight days from start of season and web site has had nothing new on it for a week and a half.
The Transition Tracker has had nothing new on it for a year and a half.
Have a look at what the AFL put on their site, it may give you a clue as to what SBL fans would like to be updated with, i.e. what's going on at various clubs, what players are doing etc.
Please don't say the clubs don't give you info.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
The transaction tracker was more like an average crack at a pre-season report card than a tracker
Basketball administration in Australia seems to involve people who do no work but claim to be "working hard" whether on a national or state level. Nothign new.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Tom Jervis to join the team at the tail end of the year is all i've heard.
But thats hear say, hasnt come from the man himself
but their instagram is hyper successful!!!1 (rofl)
Farrison Hord
Years ago
The SBL has no official instagram. Thats some other gumbo
Lukosius
Years ago
From what I've heard, it was originally a muck around site by some drongos but because they have substantial followers now the SBL are considering approaching them with an offer to be the official page.
So some drongos are doing a better job of promoting SBL than the SBL itself. Sadly it makes perfect sense.
Downtown
Years ago
I wonder what the said 'offer' would consist of?
Anonymous
Years ago
Finally, an AJ post that is not BS. Stirling will be alright this season if they play enough defense. Good home now too.
???
Years ago
So the Blitz has come and gone.
Was there any results or performance that changes peoples thoughts for the season proper?
It is hard to tell from the results as to which teams will be contenders as many players would have been missing and coaches wouldn't want to show their cards too early at the Blitz.
Maybe a bit of a concern for Kal and Gero with only a combined 1-8 win/loss.
Slammers also only going 1-3 with a full roster?
Anonymous
Years ago
Very hard to judge with the players missing etc. However, Kal may struggle if their full roster was playing, so too Bunbury and Kalamunda. East Perth look very small but had one or no imports playing. Many teams playing D Leaguers/U20s for long periods. IMO the league will be improved in standard from last year. One of the Hickerts played for Hawks. That will make them stronger. Senators will challenge Joondalup I reckon. Import, Ellis, Mastro, and home growns under M Ellis will be worth watching.
Downtown
Years ago
Senators will have a tough starting lineup!
Wroe, Throns, Lindbergh, Majstrovich, Ellis
Throw in guys like Bruton, Illiadis, Coburn, Litterick, Woodbury, Caleb Davis (when back from college) off the bench and thats a tough deep squad.
Although the Majstro/Ellis combination defensively might be a bit of a worry
No Throns and Illiadis for Stirling, Throns can't play because of his college eligibility, so might not be as deep as you think. The starting lineup will be damn tough though. Do they start Lindberg AJ and Ellis? Bruton?
Mike Ellis will be good, I think alot of it will come down to whether AJ is effective this year. Wroe is a huge get stirling should be top 4 if not top 6.
East perth will struggle. The league level has probably dropped a bit this year particularly with bunbury/gero/kal dropping.
???
Years ago
It appears that the league has dropped, and there will be a bigger divide between the top teams (Wolves, Stirling, Tigers, Hawks, Cougars) and the bottom teams (Suns, Eagles, Magic, Lakeside) with a few teams filling the middle positions but not really contenders (Kal, Gero, Redbacks, Flames, Slammers)
Some of the middle teams look to be heading downwards as well with their better players being closer to retirement than developing
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Was difficult to get a gauge on teams over the weekend. Especially with them holding players out or running sub-par youth lineups.
Wasn't exactly a fan spectacle that is for sure.
Lakeside could be ok with the inclusions of the 2 imports & Chan (all held out) & Cockburn look like they will compete as well. Return of original juniors Thomas & Della will strengthen what is already a decent unit.
Perth looked incredibly small & be lucky to even go 7 deep.
Did gero have 2 imports playing? as i thought Carter Cook was returning??
ggg
Years ago
Couldnt make it down there on the weekend, Which teams looked good in the womans.
Downtown
Years ago
No Throns and Illiadis for Stirling?
Throw Bruton or Coburn in there, still tough as hell
I would think with the versatility of Lindbergh, Ellis and Majstrovich they shouldnt have any issues all starting together
Farrison Hord
Years ago
versatility wont be a problem for Stirling. defensive liability however, will very much be.
Alot of the women teams held out players as well. Barely anyone fielded a full strength side. Ladder has Perth & Stirling undefeated, while Lakeside & Joondalup didnt even pick up a W.
The blitz is such a farce you cant even read into those standings what so ever.
It's Wolves championship to lose from what I saw, overall the competition has gotten weaker. There will be a couple of strong teams (Wolves, Cockburn) maybe Willo if they get another import and Stirling if they gel.
The Buccs and Giants were interesting. I thought Cook was a lock, but he wasn't there and it looked like they had two other imports playing. Also no Bennie Lewis, Ralph or Wundenberg.
Giants have no shooters at all but two pretty legit imports as always. Still looking to add the SA kid and maybe another guard.
Redbacks still adding Vigor but their imports didn't seem to be at the usual level.
Magic and Rocko basically the same teams as last year, maybe a little weaker with Mullenax and Tommy Remmers another year older.
Lakeside had no imports, no Chan, no coach and no Martin and 3 wins, but played weak teams.
Bunbury have similar team to last year swapping Hickert for Easley but they lose Harrelson as coach that has to be a blow. Still play finals surely
Hogwash
Years ago
Carter Cook is playing for Gero but was away for a wedding. The smaller dreadlocked guy isn't an import, he is Matthew Adekponya, formally from the Mackay Meteors.
Splash Bro
Years ago
Any thoughts on Trevor Setty for Mandurah?
I saw a few portions of the game they played against WA Metro and he looked to have a decent outside shot
Rail thin physique though. Not sure if he could slide to a post position with his super light frame?
Splash Bro
Years ago
Any thoughts on Trevor Setty for Mandurah?
I saw a few portions of the game they played against WA Metro and he looked to have a decent outside shot
Rail thin physique though. Not sure if he could slide to a post position with his super light frame?
Hogwash
Years ago
With Mullenax, Smith and Remmerswaal, I doubt he will be needed in the post much.
Wow that is a good pick up for Gero then. No Bennie Lewis tho? Adekponya looked pretty good.
Setty looked really average in their first game, but improved over the weekend I heard.
Lukosius
Years ago
Basically with the Buccs...
- import Burrow has replaced import whats-his-name
- Samuelson has replaced Thomas
- Adekponya has replaced Lewis (playing in SEABL I believe)
So fair to say the Buccs will be good, but not as good as last year.
MSBL Ladder prediction:
1. Wolves
2. Willo
3. Cougars
4. Stirling
5. Perry Lakes
6. Buccs
7. Bunbury
8. Giants
9. Magic
10. Flames
11. Lakeside
12. Perth
13. East Perth
.
.
.(distant)
.
.
14. Suns
Observer
Years ago
1st. Wolves (last year 1st)
Same team as last year except second (token) import replaces Timms and they also add Maxwell.
2nd. Cougars (4th)
Big Marcus Goode will surprise, plus they have added Della, Holmes and Thomas.
3rd. Buccs (2nd)
Import Burrows looks solid, while Akenponya and Samuelson should be good replacements for Lewis and Thomas. The big, young kid from Mandurah is a bonus and a welcome backup to Wundenburg.
4th. Tigers (6th)
Replacing Easley with Bowie is a winner. Second import will be a 5-man. They will finish between 2nd and 6th, and the new 5-man will determine that. I'll split the difference and say 4th.
5th. Senators (10th)
The big improvers. Wroe is the big pickup here, more so than Majstrovich who could come off the bench. Frontcourt might be a bit slow, and no true centre, but they will put plenty of points on the board.
6th. Giants (7th)
Have lost Muo and Bowie, but added Manigault, Goodluck and Nikora. Franich expected back from injury, and also rumours of another guard coming in after the season starts. Once everyone is in place, they look slightly better than 2015.
7th. Slammers (3rd)
Crouch and Easily in for Harrelson, Voelkel and Hickert seems like a nett loss to me. Also looks like they have lost some promising locals from their bench.
8th. Hawks (8th)
You would think Caldwell replacing Mike Eurobasket would be a good thing, however Caldwell has a lot of KG's to lose by the looks of it. Also rumour is that Garlepp is not playing. Based on that, they don't look better than 2015.
9th. Flames (5th)
Have lost a crapload of experience in Remmerswaal, Moore and Bowman, so some youngsters will have to step-up. Chudier Pal is a good inclusion in the big man department.
10th. Magic (9th)
Slid away towards the end of 2015 and that slide should continue. Looked an old, tired mob towards the end of the season and adding Remmerswaal (for Della) won't reverse that trend. Setty for Hafford is interesting but not enough to get them back in the playoffs.
11th. Lightning (12th)
Have lost Prue and Jackson and only gained Chan, so you wouldn't think they would move up a spot from 2015. Goes to show you how bad Redbacks, Eagles and Suns may be. Unfortunately their high profile coaching staff (some American dude and Tony Ronaldson) won't reflect on their on-court performance.
12th. Redbacks (11th)
Despite the rumblings, 2015 imports Turner and Brown/Chutney were ok-to-good as a combo. The 2016 editions are well below that. Add to that the loss of Tahwiti and they will struggle. Rumours are that Vigor is back, but he is their only big man.
13th. Eagles (13th)
Hafford in for Dech, but that's about it. If Jervis comes back then they might move up a couple of notches. But I think we will all believe that when we see it.
14th. Suns (14th)
Their 2015 imports look way better than this year's imports. Picked up veteran Prior, but also lost Chan and Holmes. This on a team that finished with 2 wins. Team looks weaker so how can you pick them for more than 2 wins.
Anonymouss
Years ago
Thanks Observer.
Slammers could struggle with player losses and especially Harrelson who was a very good coach.
Tigers could struggle early if they are going to wait for Jervis to rest.
Garlepp played on the weekend and has been training. Hawks may need to get the Wildcats dietician who did such a great job with Nate.
Rumour is there will only be one Land in Rocko.
Eagles still with an import to come and could surprise. The Suns need help - no good having a team that will struggle to win a game. Get better or get out I reckon. They could then put the juniors revenue back into the juniors.
???
Years ago
Not sure the new guys at Buccs can 'replace' Bennie Lewis. On any given night he was arguably the best scorer in the SBL and could really break games open. His D and rebounding wasn't at the level of where it could be.
Thomas was solid off the bench for most of the year.
So I don't think they have improved on last year and have likely gone a bit backwards.
Kal have made quite a few additions but losing Mua is massive as he was their 3rd import level player. Not sure the recruits can cover this loss.
Tigers have apparently signed a 4 man so the Jervis rumour looks to be just that. You would imagine an announcement should come out any day now. With the season starting in just over a week it is likely any import just signed would miss at least 2-3 weeks. They have the talent in 2 x imports, Scott, Armour but it depends on how well they play together and the local players ability to contribute.
Lakeside may be in a rebuilding phase, which was always going to happen after Prue retired, but will benefit from the league dropping off. If they can now keep this core group of juniors (Grida/Shervill/Chan/Martin/Vinci) they will be right back up there in a couple of seasons
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I dont see him contributing any more than around the 14ppg, 6apg, 3rpg kind of mark.
Which is serviceable
Definitely think Wroe is good. I don't think he will be the kind of point guard who will score 20 points a night but he will be one of if not the best defender in his position in the league and is a big upgrade on Stirlings previous PGs.
Great fit for the team too. They have enough scoring between Ellis, AJ and Lindbergh and it allows Bruton and Throns to be spot up shooters rather than having to create off the dribble.
FYI, Throns is NOT playing this season. Only played the blitz because it doesn't hurt his eligibility.
Splash Bro
Years ago
Observer - Ronaldson is no longer coaching at Lakeside so the high profile bench just lost a little bit of profile there!
To those saying Buccs will be better than last year I fail to see it. ??? hit it on the head, Lewis was arguably one of the best scorers in the league no matter what teams threw at him. I dont see the guys they have brought in being anywhere near to that level. I also think people underestimate the job that Hez did with those guys. Im not saying Trahair is a bad coach just that you lose a guy who is highly respected, experienced (in head coaching at that level) and proven winner. This loss has not really been factored in by a lot of the pundits.
Marcus Goode is Carlwell-esque! It will be a great matchup to see these two go at each other when the Cougars face the Hawks.
An early MVP candidate for me would have to be Gavin Field. Having that dominant post presence inside and a bit more experience around him in Della and Thomas I really see him thriving in this environment, even more so than last season.
Im interested to see how the Tigers go with chemistry. 1 ball between Armour, Scott, Bowie and another import. Someone or multiple people may not be happy with the amount of shots they get. Word on the street was Easley wasnt happy there getting 5 shots a game and coming off the bench, and that was with Davis as their other import who was more of a shot blocker/rebounder type, not taking a lot of shots. I dont imagine Bowie or their new import wanting to be in that same boat?
Cockburn still has Najee Lane to add as well, that makes them pretty formidable. Starting 5 of Thomas, Field, Lane, Goode and Della/McIntyre with a deep bench of Van Lit/Pesava/Holmes/Prince and others
Downtown
Years ago
Whilst there are a number of people they could start, I reckon a tough lineup for cougars would be
Thomas
Lane
Field
Della
Goode
Downtown
Years ago
Does anyone know if there will be a radio show or anything similar this year?
Interesting to hear that a couple of clubs are having immigration issues for some imports... should have done their homework
Random, I hope you're typing away furiously ready for the week one preview? :-)
I would assume there will be a radio show. Cecins has done a great job the past few years. It probably won't start until after week 1.
Mansfield probably won't be on it now that he is back coaching.
Given that the season starts this weekend hopefully the SBL website is updated. The 2016 fixtures are still under the '2015 SBL Season' heading.
offishhh
Years ago
Word on the street is a WAAPA student will be running their own podcast once a week, as well as Cecins pod.
The more the merrier in my opinion!
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Week 1 Mens Tips (winners in caps):
Friday
WILLETTON @ East Perth
Perth @ SUNS
Saturday
Lakeside @ STIRLING
COCKBURN @ Perth
Rockingham @ WILLETTON
JOONDALUP @ Bunbury
Geraldton @ MANDURAH
PERRY LAKES @ Goldfields
Sunday
Geraldton @ LAKESIDE
Farrison Hord
Years ago
yep.
Perth have no bench & play notoriously bad up the hill (one of 2 suns wins last season was against Perth in the sticks).
And there is always an upset (of sorts) somewhere :)
Not bad picks. Suns have no big guys, not that Redbacks do either though. Redbacks should pick up the W.
The Stirling game should be interesting how they pull all their talent together. That game is on Friday now, not saturday.
Cockburn should easily handle Perth
Not sure when Rocko and Willo get their second imports in so would have to go Willo based on aussies +bowie.
Wolves will kick off the season by easily taking care of Bunbury.
Gero should get a W against Mandurah then who knows what will happen against Lakeside who are totally unknown.
who are the 2 imports for willeton and rockingham that they are waiting for ?
the wsbl may be affected for the first round with a few girls playing.(lynx )
haven't all mens teams got their imports in place other than the above ?
there doesnt seem to be many imports in the womens comp this year , or are the still arriving ? any news.
Cooper land is back shortly, I believe Taylor land is having visa issues
Hogwash
Years ago
Imports listed below in BOLD will be playing this weekend....
Wolves - DAVIS & EVANS
Tigers - BOWIE & Still Looking
Magic - MULLENAX & SETTY
Hawks - HOBBS & Carlwell
Eagles - Hafford & ??????
Suns - McGILL & MARSILI
Cougars - Lane & Goode
Buccs - BARROW & COOK
Giants - MANIGAULT & HOLMEN
Lightning - HALLICE & ALEXANDER
Redbacks - DEMUYNCK & McCONNELL
Senators - LINGBERGH & Ellis
Slammers - NICHOLS & CROUCH
Flames - Land & Land
So 19 out of a possible 28 imports playing this weekend, with seven not playing and two not found yet (Tigers, Eagles).
Farrison Hord
Years ago
No Cockburn imports at all?
almost had to change my tip....almost.
Rockingham have Sami Whitcomb
Mandurah do have one import
Bunbury have the same big as last year I think
Lakeside have Ali Schwagmiyer and 1 more import
Willeton unsure
Redbacks have recruited other teams players
Wanneroo unsure
Cockburn have 1 womens import
PL not sure
Stirling have two imports + a naturalized Amber Land?
R@nD0m
Years ago
Tigers @ East Perth - The Eagles have been as quiet as a church mouse in the off-season aside from the media release regarding Jo Alan taking over as Head Coach. Even the Hafford signing wasn't advertised and from all reports they won't have Jervis this season with other clubs and their $$ reportedly very interested in the Cats Big Man. Speaking of clubs with $$, that is who the Eagles welcome to 'The Nest' as Willo head across Garrat Rd Bridge for their season opener. After poaching Bowie from the Goldfields in the off-season, Blacky has once again put together a nice squad... but the question remains will there be enough Ball to go around and keep everyone happy? Time will tell on that front but for this game at least, it should be all smiles at Tigerland. Willo to easily get past the Eagles, winning by 17
Redbacks @ Kalamunda - So the exodus did occur to a degree, and the replacements for fadeaway Ray don't look to be anywhere near as high caliber. So many questions from a Perth perspective, but the main one being just who will lead the scoring for them this year? Has Nik learnt to beat a zone yet?? Will the Spiders Faithful welcome the move back to Belmont??? Interesting sub-plot here with both the Suns Head Coach and one of their major signings in Prior both having a significant history at the Redbacks. On paper you have to think Perth have the edge here but something tells me this will be close... Hard one to call in Week One but will go with common sense and say Perth to struggle to a 5 point win.
Lightning @ Stirling - So the first official SBL Game at the new Warwick Stadium and thank god the new grandstand is slightly more comfortable than its predecessor! Huge moves in the off-season for the Senators with Ellis x 2 signing on as well as the very handy additions of Wroe & Majstro (For once this is real LOL) mean that there is a very strong chance the Ship this year is going to the North Metro... just a matter of whether its the Wolves or Senators. The lads from the church head into 2016 with a somewhat depleted squad with Prue retiring (Again!) and not as much depth with their Australian stocks as there has been in the past. Hallice & Alexander will need to have monster games here to keep the Lightning in this one, but I think Stirling will have too much firepower and finesse up both ends of the court for them here. Senators to christen the new stadium in style, winning by 15 points.
Buccs @ Mandurah (Mike Barnett) - So the Trahair Era at Buccs begins with a game against the club he used to play for, at the stadium where he was an assistant all of last year for the Flames. It will be very interesting to see how the locals in the Midwest take to big A, but if he can transfer his wealth of knowledge and playing skills into a successful coaching career, I am prepared to say the Buccs will once again challenge for 'Bob' come late August. For the Magic and if there ever was an example of transition year - this would have to be it! Unable to play at their stadium all season due to redevelopment, losses in Hafford, Gerovich & Della x 2 mean the juniors coming through the WABL ranks the past couple of seasons for the club, will need to now fulfill that development at the next level for Mandurah to be competitive this season. Gero to get off to a winning start, defeating the Magic by 9
Hawks @ Kalgoorlie - Nixy and the boys from Floreat get their season underway with one of the true road trips of the league, heading east to play the Giants in Kal. Carlwell a nice signing for Perry Lakes if they can get him to somehwere near game fitness, but the fact he isn't cleared for this one could prove the defining factor with ol mate Frenchy making sure his two US Studs in Manigault & returning Holmen are all cleared. Giants looked to struggle at the Blitz from all reports but if my boy Hammer can replicate his 2015 late season form once Manigault finds his niche, maybe... just maybe, the Giants could be the dark horse this season. Should be a close one up at the Bowler Dome, but with no size inside aside from Purser, the edge has to go to the Giants here. Goldfields to get up in a nailbiter by 3 points
Cougars @ Perth - Seppo's not cleared for the boys from Hammy Hill yet but given Perth are on the quick backup, and just the significant difference in playing stocks between the two sides, you would expect the Cougars to have far too much polish for the Redbacks here. Great to see the Spiders back at their traditional home (Much more shooter friendly rings there too!) but it will be to no avail, as DT & Della return to the Cougars in style, winning by 11 points
Wolves @ South West - No Harrelson, no four Americans (Let's call it for what it was people! :-P ) & an aussie lineup which isn't getting any younger for the Slammers this year mean it could be a very tough one for the South West crew in 2016. The reigning Champs hit the Forrest Highway down to Eaton to open up their defense after taking all before them last season and with some of the best travelling fans in the League (Will that drum be banned at opposing stadiums this season!?) its hard to think the Wolfpack not continuing their winning ways into the new season given the addition of Evans to an already superb lineup. Joondalup to make the long drive worth it, defeating South West by 21
Flames @ Willo - Tigers on the backup after playing in Morley on Friday night, whilst the Flames will head into this one minus both the Land Brothers. Chudier Pal and Nebs Franich are nice additions for Rocko but alot will be left to Franich, Godfrey & one of the young guns in Roberts or J Beard if the Flames are to trouble the Tigers here. Willo to make it two from two for the weekend, defeating the Flames by 14
Buccs @ The Church - Both teams on the back end of tough Week One double headers. Based off each of their respective Australian stocks however, I can see this being a rather one-sided affair. Buccs to head back to the Crayfish Coast atop the standings, defeating the Lightning by 19
aqw
Years ago
magic have 2 imports annette jackson davis and adijat adams.
cockburn have thornton.
perth no imports
hawks no imports
slammers big from last year was patricia bright
eastern suns?
Great write up as always R@ndom always a good read.
Slammers - They still have 4 Americans for 2016.
Crouch/Weeden/Nichols & Easley so surely they would be expecting to be around the mark again.
However I do agree that they are not as strong as 2015 with no Harrelson and the other rebounding fella.
But with 4 x Americans surely they must be in the conversation.
It really depends on how Weeden comes back from his knee and how Crouch plays.
Easley is a big downgrade on Harrelson or Voelkel, so Crouch will need to cover that loss of scoring and play making. Weeden is tough inside but they are going to have a tough time covering the rebounding loss.
SBL preview podcast going up on Sonshine FM sometime this week
Splash Bro
Years ago
ahh the sweet smell of a R@andom preview. welcome back
???
Years ago
These first few rounds are difficult to predict until the availability of players is known.
Getting off to a good start can take a lot of the pressure off so teams that have all players available and some consistency from year to year with their roster will likely have a good start.
Andy's Lakeside teams were the masters of getting off to a great start by having the imports here and cleared to play, and also have the same core group for many years. This always set them up for a good season as they hardly ever lost an early game.
It seems like there are a lot of teams still getting players cleared and lots of change so the first 4 rounds may really shape the season...
My predictions for round 1 are:
- Tigers over Eagles
- Redbacks over Suns
- Stirling over Lakeside
- Buccs over Magic
- Hawks over Kal
- Cougars over Perth
- Wolves over Slammers
- Willo over Flames
- Buccs over Lakeside
So Willo and Buccs will be 2-0 after weekend.
rockinham will lose by 40 to willo. magic will beat the buccs.
bbb
Years ago
womans imports
cockburn ashley adams
cheridy thornton
east perth
kelsey dewit
steph jones
suns
sabrina jeridore
lightning
ali schwagmeyer
devanny king
magic
adijat adams
annette davis
flames
whitcomb
ifuanya ibekwe
stirling
kara van dyke.
jgv
Years ago
restricted or lynx players
wanneroo, wisher
suns, barr
hawks, edmonson
perth, galloway
willo, thomlinson
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Thomas Korf will be an import for East Perth.
I thought he was an import at the Blitz. The light haired fair skinned small forward..?
He was serviceable, nothing special.
It really is quite disappointing that the season starts in just over 48 hours and by the look of the website you would think it is the middle of the off season.
Maybe they need to pay heed to the Brett Coxsedge mantra
"No excuses, get it done"
RMQ
Years ago
SBL Podcast with Matty Cecins is out. Guest is Adam Forde
http://98five.com/player/Podcast/index.php?name=SBL1654161254.mp3
R@nD0m
Years ago
FYI: Guest isnt Fordey - he is the co-host this year in the place of Mansfield from last year
I agree with the podcast, just hand the women's trophy to Rocko now.
Beware.....Chris Pike is back! Let the shitness begin!
Can say the same about Wolves in the men. Given their roster.. if they lose it will be embarrassing
Splash Bro
Years ago
As much as everyone believes the Wolves men are invincible I think they will have some tough competition from a few teams.
Stirling for one has a roster that will cause them issues.
Tigers, if they do manage to get a legit post import/pro.
Giants who I believe will start slow again this year but will have a roster that once they are comfortable with each other will be a tough outfit.
Cougars also will be a tough matchup for them.
teams will definetly challenge wolves for sure, lets be honest they had an epic battle with hawks and could have gone the other way easy - remember game 1. hawks will be there again, also giants will also gain franich and Michael haney.haney will play again this season limited minutes I guess but that will make him even more dangerous because he will use those minutes smarter than any other player in this competition . including his fouls . don't underestimate Mandurah or the buccs - if mullenax becomes an aussie ? then add another import they are dangerous, the qld boy for the buccs is no bennie lewis but he is a seriously good player and will help keep them up there.
as for the women its a done deal. what a bunch of talent coach petrick has at his disposal, the only thing is how will he keep some girls happy he really has not had that problem before only playing 6, and of course then there is injury and he really has never had that problem before either.3 peat.
Anonymous
Years ago
Flames Starters
PG: J Bourne
SG: S Whitcomb
SF: A Sidebottom
PF: I Ibekwe
C: D Garbin
Bench
T Bourne
A Pether
T Fletcher
E Kennedy
L Buckley
Go genuinely ten deep if they have to.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Flames obviously arent going to have Whitcomb & Garbin straight off the bat.
Its not beyond reason that they get off to a slow start & drop some games early on.
Luuuc
Years ago
The WNBL season finishes either tomorrow or (hopefully) this Sunday, so they won't have those players straight off the bat but they won't be far away either.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Word is, more so Whitcomb, could be held back from the brunt of the start of the season to give her body a brief break at least.
Whitcomb and Garbin expected to miss nearly the first half of this season. Expect players that played less minutes like Tomlinson and Edmondson to start earlier.
With Sami being so successful this year in the WNBL it's safe to say she will be wrapped in some pretty heavy cotton wool early in the year
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Can we talk about how utterly ridiculous Chris Pike is?
its like he actually got worse over the off-season.....
RMQ
Years ago
Eagles second import has arrived. He may play tonight.
RMQ
Years ago
Billed as 6'9 from Canada. Apparently closer to 6'7/6'6.
Looks athletic, but haven't seen him play.
Don't know the name yet unfortunately. Will do after tonight if he plays or doesn't.
Anonomouse
Years ago
Who is Jarrad Wagner?
No mention of Tawhiti, Stephens, Johnston or Makavilitongia as outs for Perth.
Shit research/reporting or someone deliberately leaving info out?
Jarrad Wagner, what a stuff up.
Not mentioning the other outs is fair enough. Can't talk about everyone.
its Just a typo - Wagner I/O Prior.
No big deal.
Downtown
Years ago
Did everyone see the promo video the SBL released on its Facebook page?
Lukosius
Years ago
After averaging out all the predictions from the experts on the SBL website, the official rankings are:
1 - Joondalup Wolves
2 - Cockburn Cougars
3 - Stirling Senators
4 - Perry Lakes Hawks
5 - Geraldton Buccaneers
6 - Willetton Tigers
7 - Perth Redbacks
8 - Goldfields Giants
9 - Rockingham Flames
10 - East Perth Eagles
11 - Mandurah Magic
12 - Lakeside Lightning
13 - South West Slammers
14 - Kalamunda Eastern Suns
Couple of surprises there, mainly being the Redbacks at 7th and the Slammers at 13th.
Hogwash
Years ago
The Redbacks ranking has been inflated by Matt Cecins' ridiculous prediction of them finishing 6th. The other two guys have them at 9th and 11th which seems a lot closer to the mark.
I think that would be fairly accurate. Might move Giants up a little bit if they end up getting that shooter they are after.
East Perth might be a little high, pending Jervis decision.
Lakeside might finish higher than Magic/Eagles
AnonyMoose
Years ago
What would your ladder be Lukosius... Or were you 'Anonymous' on the SBL website preview lol
My predicted ladder would be:
1. Joondalup
2. Stirling
3. Geraldton
4. Goldfields
5. Cockburn
6. Perry Lakes
7. Willetton
8. Rockingham
9. South West
10. Lakeside
11. East Perth
12. Perth
13. Mandurah
14. Kalamunda
Lukosius
Years ago
1. Wolves
2. Cougars
3. Senators
4. Tigers
5. Buccs
6. Giants
7. Slammers
8. Hawks
9. Flames
10. Magic
11. Eagles
12. Redbacks
13. Lightning
14. Suns
Anonomouse
Years ago
#224
He's a professional journalist, typo's should not happen. They are both 250 Game vets, typical Pike crap.
HMMM
Years ago
Pike said Worthington isnt playing but pretty sure he played at the blitz?
Lukosius
Years ago
TIPPING COMPETITION
Who wants to participate in an SBL Mens tipping competition?
I have setup a free online competition as per the following details...
- Mens SBL only.
- Free
- There may be a prize at the end, still negotiating.
- Regular season only.
- Tips close 2 hours before first game of weekend.
- Away teams if you do not get your tips in.
- If you enter late (e.g. after round 1), you will start will a score that is the average of all participants.
To join you need to do two things...
1) Goto -- www.mysportstips.net -- and signup as a new user.
2) Once you have signed up then you need to join the comp....
http://mysportstips.net/join-competition.aspx
Competition number is... 10475
Password is... 2016mensbl
Cutoff for round one is 6.30pm tonight (West Aust time).
950 posts and the season hasn't even tipped off yet. That's impressive.
anyone know who the second import / pro player is for Willo?
Friday night thoughts...
Jay Bowie is probably the best off season signing. Very solid game.
Damien Scott still can't shoot
Redbacks import with an outstanding game, perhaps a little bit under the radar.
Suns minutes extremely odd, import only playing 20 mins. Tim Squire with a very solid game off the bench.
Corbin Wroe will foul out of almost every game.
Lightning still shooting a tonne of threes.
rinse
Years ago
I was at Stirling v Lakeside:
Both teams pretty nervous to start things off. I think Lakeside played really well considering a new look and young squad. Chan and Vinci will hold down the point, while the other two lanky kids (forget their names) will handle the 3. Their problem is, Hallice and Alexander love shooting the triple. like, LOVE it. I didn't see Hallice (tallest guy on the court) post up more than a handful of times. He can shoot the three ball well, no doubt, but Lskeside can't rely on this again if they want a chance at finals basketball. I reckon he'll pick up some techs too.
Alexander with some big blocks, great anticipation. Stirling will come good as they learn their new pieces as Wroe takes more of the ball off Bruton, and Majstrovich takes up Lindberghs role. Tough loss for them early but they'll recover to top 4.
Warwick stadium, please turn your Air Con on. I know there are high running costs, but if only for half time, plleeeease do it. I know people left the game because of it. And turn your bass up haha.
Willetton V Eagles:
Up until a couple of days before the game, Willetton wasn't supposed to win this one. Bowie was having immigration problems (I hear Carlwell is having issues too) , but he was cleared and ... Clearly made a difference. Damian Scott shot terribly, Nic Cody and Josh Johnson will be a good 3-4 combo. If they can get a solid 6-9/6-10 guy, they'll compete with Joondalup. It looks as though Armour may have had the hard word that he needs to put up less shots if he wants another C/ship, hard to tell off one game.
Redbacks look more legit than what people are making them out to be,, despite playing the lowly Suns.
Hogwash
Years ago
Warwick's main (new) courts don't have aircon, only exhaust fans.
A cock-up there.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Eastern Suns will not win a game all season. Terrible side & rotational ball play isn't going to work.
Will be a tough year for them again no doubt. I really hope their coach is in it for the long haul and can build something competitive.
Wasn't sure why the import came off the bench and only played 20 mins.
Red74
Years ago
I watched the first half of the men's Suns v backs and I liked the way the Suns played. The coach obviously realises that he doesn't have any superstars, so is going to run and run and pressure. I think they got a bit too ball hungry after the first quarter and didn't pass enough in the half court. But if they come out all game with that tempo on d, they will surprise a few. I saw the coach have a list in his pocket and I suspect this was for timed rotations so as to keep the energy and tempo up as much as possible.
Lukosius what is the greatest ever losing margin in MSBL?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
How can you like the way they played?
Down 20 at the half & didn't play a lick of defense all night long. No wonder the imports had 49 & 30.
It was just competition to see who could score more & Perth just had a little bit more talent.
Downtown
Years ago
Went and saw the Senators v Lakeside game and the new stadium was pretty nice. However sitting up the back it was like a sauna up there
Not since John Dickson played for Tigers a few years back have I seen the carry on and antics of an import like TJ Hallice from Lakeside.
After scoring his first shot, a run of the mill mid range jumper was talking trash to his opponent all the way down the floor, telling him he couldnt guard him, beating his chest jumping up and down. Every other shot he hit resulted in him poking his tongue out and some other combination of the above. Couldnt help but feel he was a bit of a douche. He ended up having a pretty good game and shot the lights out from 3 but Im sure not really the approach Lakeside is after, especially the trash talking.
Alexander is going to be a very dominant player at both ends of the floor. Much more athletic than i realised and very well rounded.
Stirling looked like a bunch of individuals on the floor. No team chemistry or ball movement offensively. Absolutely horrible defensively. Mike couldnt have Majstrovich and Cody on the floor at the same time due to their complete lack of desire to play defense. Wroe was not looking to score at all which was suprising. Although he did have a massive block on Corey Martin on the break to save the game being sealed only to have the ref blow one of the most ridiculous fouls Ive seen in a very long time. Luckily Martin missed both free throws and left the door open for them to tie with a 3.
Bruton looked like he didnt know where he fit in their system. Litterick played well off the bench and probably should have had more minutes.
It will be interesting to see if the Senators do actually gel or whether they will be a bit like Redbacks last year. Loaded with talent but underachieve.
RMQ
Years ago
Friday was my first time seeing Jay Bowie. I think if the NBL goes to three-imports, it would be great to have players like him fill the third import slot.
Not superstars, but above average athleticism compared to local talent.
And side note, Yusef from the Tigers has major UPs!!!! Some of his dunks where next level in the warm-up.
Anonymouse
Years ago
Bowie looked really good Friday night, but he did not have much defense to play against. His output Saturday was low (stats).
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Shame, Yusef cant do much else though. Good kid, but yeah...
After Round 1 i still see Joondalup being head & shoulders above the pack. The rest of the league is quite open....
???
Years ago
Interesting results from Round 1.
Limited sample size but the following teams stock has risen:
- Hawks - big win in Kal without Carlwell or Dixon. A team of Carlwell/Hobbs/Purser/Cassir/Garlepp/Dixon/Smith/Hickert is pretty tough and has a good balance all over the court.
- Buccs - Decent results without Wunderburg. Adekponya looks to be a player and new import had good numbers. Will improve with more time together and adding Wunders back into lineup.
- Flames - Big win on the road to open season. This win without Taylor Land. Nebo Franich a good addition and Pal is going to be tough. The balance with Godfrey/C Land/T Land/ Pal and Franich is good. Need some improvement and development from their younger players.
Some other interesting things to come out of weekend:
- Rotations of Suns - starting import on bench?
- Tigers - can Armour/Scott/Bowie all exist in same backcourt? Lucky to get past Eagles and then drop home game to Flames
- Redbacks - Playing 2 x 16 year olds in Bowen and Herbet?
- Magic - Mully turning back the clock and going for 30 & 14 in win against Buccs
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Tough first round of the tipping comp too....leader didnt even submit tips!
Received all away teams & all won bar 1!
#PotLuck
Anonymouse
Years ago
- Redbacks - Playing 2 x 16 year olds in Bowen and Herbet?
Gatorna turns 17 this year also.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Week 2 Preview
Week One Highlights
* High Scoring! No less than TWELVE teams reaching triple figures in the season's opening weekend made it exciting for spectators - Not so much for Head Coaches with defense obviously an issue or just going with the notion of we will outscore whoever we play! Time will definitely tell whether this becomes a new trend or if it was just opening week fatigue / laziness allowing such superior scoring levels!
* Warwick Stadium quickly picking up the appropriate nickname of 'The Sauna' - I mean really, who builds a brand new Stadium in WA and doesn't factor in some kind of air conditioning!? Word has it fans sitting up in the back five rows all walked out of Warwick 5kg lighter than when they walked in!!
* Shock Losses - Willetton & Geraldton both going down in what many would've tipped as winnable games on the weekend, whilst up in Kal - Nixy and the Hawks sent an ominous warning to the rest of the League with a comprehensive win over the Giants without Carlwell or Dixon!!
Here is a look at this weeks games:
Senators @ Willo - Not sure what to make of the Tigers Week 1 efforts. Did enough to get past the Eagles on opening night, but then struggled on their home court against the boys from Rocko and subsequently losing. Stirling on the other hand coming back from a double digit margin in the first half to scare the God Squad, but not doing enough to get the W with AJ & Cody both ticking 'optional' on the pre-game 'Will you play Defense' questionnaire!! No love lost here between Blacky or Ellis Sr and expect this to be a fiery clash both on and off the court at The Boulevard. Stirling with the deeper bench to give the Tigers a 0-2 Home Record after Week Two, getting up by 5 points
Magic @ Headquarters - Mandurah with possibly the upset of the round getting up in overtime over the Buccs @ Mike Barnett last Saturday night, but will head to Bendat as rank underdogs against Nixy's boys who were nothing short of impressive up in the Goldfields in Week One. Not sure if Carlwell suits up, if he helps or hinders the Hawks free-flowing up tempo style game but the expected return of Dixon could place alot of pressure on the Magic's guards, in particular JJ if Hobbs and Smith get hot early. Hawks to make it 2 from 2, disposing of the Magic by 12
Flames @ South Gero - Big Week One win for my boys from the 'Ham but an even bigger task awaits them as they head to the Wolves Den to take on Etto & the reigning champs as they unfurl their 2015 Championship Banner. Joondalup utterly embarrassed the Slammers down at Eaton last Saturday night, and if the Flames want to avoid that same tag - will have to focus on containing the Wolves 'Big 3' in Sebbalicious, Trian & the Human Highlight Reel in Davis. Hate to tip against my boys two weeks in a row, but the Wolves ALREADY look like they're in scary form - Joondalup by 9
Lightning @ South West - I don't think disappointing truly describes just how bad the Slammers were last Saturday night. Yes they were taking on the defending Champs but my goodness, 59 points for a team total wouldn't have beaten ANY of the Women's teams who got their respective W's in Week 1... not one of them! 22 points from your Australian contingent just won't cut it and up against a Lakeside team who showed twice in Week One that reaching triple figures won't trouble them, it could be another long night for Coach Van Lit down at Eaton for the second week in a row. Slammers to suffer their second consecutive smashing on their home court in the space of two weeks, going down to the God Squad by 27.
Suns @ Cockburn - Kalamunda impressed me in Week One... I mean sure, they still lost by 11 but after being down by 20 at the half, the Suns of old would've just rolled over and made it a 30+ point loss without a care in the world. To fight back shows that maybe Coach Clarke has the belief from his players that the program will work, it will just take some much needed time - Hopefully the hierarchy in the Hills gives him just that and we see that program improve over the next 12 - 24 months. Cockburn clinical in their win on the road over the Redbacks last Saturday night, and expect more of the same from Coach Parsons and the Cougars here. Cockburn to breeze to a 31 point win.
Giants @ East Perth - First road trip of the year for Hammer & his Giants, and after a less than stellar performance against the Hawks last weekend - will definitely be looking for some redemption here up against Joe-Alan and the Eagles. East Perth pushed Willo on Opening Night last weekend, but fell just short of an upset win. Donlagic was impressive off the bench and would have to be in serious consideration to start in this one and his likely match-up on Holmen could determine who wins this clash. Tough one to call, but its hard to see who from the Giants will effectively contain Williamson &/Or Vague if Hurst doesn't suit up again... EP to get up in a scrappy affair by 7
Redbacks @ Gero - Buccs head back to the Midwest knowing full well they probably should be 2-0 right now rather than the 1-1 they currently sit at. Great effort though considering that they didn't have Wunders in Week One and will hopefully get Moot back for their home opener against the visiting Spiders. Perth losing the arguments (Here's looking at you Nik...) and scuffles (Hi Mr DeMunyck) and more importantly the game against the Cougars last Saturday night but they did win my newly-created weekly Nomination for the 'John Dickson' Award which this week goes to Jourdan DeMunyck. Just because you wear the GOAT's number and, despite 'badly misspelling' his name - It does not mean you get to go around and not shake the opposition's hand after a game or beating your chest and talking smack when your getting pumped by 20 odd! Try that stuff in Gero and see how much the locals will 'Welcome' you... particularly when you sit below them on the bench LEL!! Gero to make it two wins in a row, defeating Perth by 17 points
Giants @ Shed in the Sticks - Both teams on the short Easter Sunday backup after playing the night before. Danger game here for Goldfields but Kalamunda with a relatively young and inexperienced line-up, it could spell trouble for those not used to the 12pm Sunday games like 90% of the Giants squad are now accustomed to. Giants to split their opening road trip, defeating the Suns by 11
Eagles @ Rocko - Easter Monday clash here for both these sides who would have already played in Week Two but the extra day off will come be welcomed so early in the season with sore bodies still getting match fitness into the legs. Vague / Williamson & Godfrey / C Land will almost cancel each other out in this one, so the battle will be who for East Perth will be able to contain Pal & Franich inside if Bardill & Donlagic get into foul trouble. Big crowd expected @ The Hothouse for the Home Opener and the unfurling of the Women's 2015 Championship Banner, and I will go with the Flames to get up in a physical encounter by 8 points.
Observer
Years ago
Hurst and Goodluck both missing last week for the Giants, and will come into the team for the roadtrip.
Anonymouse
Years ago
When will Franich return? He is a very important piece.
franich will be back half way during the season as will Michael haney both recovering from surgery at the moment.
rinse
Years ago
Look at all the questions around injuries! No doubt a couple of fellow tippers wanting the inside scoop :)
Heres some info to even the field:
Taylor Land still not cleared - may be a long time
Brian Carlwell not cleared by US as yet - 50/50 for this weekend
Ben Dixon will play this weekend
Mat Wundenburg 40/60 for this weekend, recovering from an Achilles strain. Buccs likely to play it safe for now.
Willetton explored a second import option from the States, administrative error means further delays (US side), now seeking services of Tawhiti, $$ the question
Iliadis back this week I'm told.
rinse
Years ago
Just to add, De Munyck makes Dickson look tame. Was at the Redbacks v Cougars game, all I can say is he truly is Lakovic's pupil.
the All-Dickson SBL starting 5
1 John Dickson
2 Kenny Brunner
3 Jourdan DeMunyck
4 Marc Le Blanc
5 Brian Tudman
Anonymouse
Years ago
Mitch Clarke seemed to have quite a serious knee injury on Friday. He didn't play Sat so hope he is ok.
A few tough picks this week:
- Willo vs Stirling - who knows who will stand up for either team.
- Eagles vs Golfields - Golfields very dissapointing last week and Eagles suprising.
- Perry Lakes vs Magic - will Big B play and even up the size differential?
I'll take Stirling, Giants and Hawks
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I think Stirling will start slow before finding their groove this year. Willetton to hold on.
Goldfields to come away with 2 wins this week.
Hawks should still be too much for Mandurah.
I would tip Perry lakes but it has the potential to be very interesting. The rims are tough shooting rims so Magics inside presence should get them a higher %. If they slow it down and pound it inside to Mully and Smith they might have it close, will need to put foul pressure on Garlepp and Purser too..
AYe
Years ago
Any truth to Willetton being in discussion with Phillip Nolan - a member of the 2014 champion UCONN Huskies...?
No clue, you heard it somewhere though so rumour must be out there.
rinse
Years ago
As much as I'd want to believe that, no truth at all re: willo import. A Black has turned his head toward local players now, signing an import this late would only see them cleared near round 12/13. Heard it from good sauce, across the road from the Boulevard at Willetton Zambreros. Chipotle Sauce
you would think tigers would want to sign someone quickly as barely getting over east perth and falling to rockingham last week is enough proof that they dont have enough in their roster.
add to that mitch clarke going down with a knee injury and they lose valuable experience and depth from their bench.
Cody and Johnson have a big burden to carry playing inside. Cody is more of a guard anyway and Johnson undersized.
Unless they can convince the older Johnson to come and play a season with his bro or signing a decent level NBL level player they are in trouble.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Carlwell has made his debut, huge unit. Has already pushed aside Smith and Remmes
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Hawks with good team chemistry. Closed out the game well despite losing both Smith and Cassir early in the second half
Hogwash
Years ago
Ok, I've seen the first round (plus a few games of the 2nd round). I also have a better understanding of what teams will eventually look like one they have their complete rosters.
So here are my rankings based on what we have seen and what we know going forward...
1. Wolves
Flames pushed them but have most most talented and deep line-up out there.
2. Cougars
Rusty game by Goode first up. He will have to improve or I may drop them lower.
3. Hawks
Now think they will be the big improvers, more so than the Senators.
4. Tigers
Plenty of firepower. Bowie with more scoring responsibility that at Giants and they have an import to add.
5. Buccs
Hiccup in round one but missing Wundenberg so will excuse them.
6. Senators
Maybe too slow to warrant the big improvement tag everyone was giving them.
7. Flames
Addition of Pul and Franich cannot be underestimated, and also have an import to come in.
8. Giants
Lots of outs at the moment so they will get better, and rumours of some more recruits to come.
9. Lightning
Back to the Andy-era with plenty of threes, but that philosophy can only last so long in this league.
10. Magic
Looking ok at the moment, but they will slow as the season progresses and have no bench.
11. Eagles
Two imports so should improve a couple of places from 2015.
12. Slammers
What's going on here? Surely Ty didn't mean that much to them?
13. Redbacks
Sorry but first-up win over Suns doesn't mean much to me, especially if Vigor is the only player to come in.
14. Eastern Suns
To be fair they didn't have their Euro guy in round one, but still looking the weakest in the comp.
Anonomouse
Years ago
Watched the Eagles - Giants game last night.
Quite sloppy for the majority of the game, the humidity was crazy inside. Perhaps the Morley Rec Centre people can turn on the exhaust fans?
Goldfields 2 imports were a class above everyone else and were the difference.
The 2 refs did their best to keep EP in it to no avail. They really were bad. So inconsistent. Also Holmen had a massive block taken away, you are allowed to pin the ball on the board, it's legal.
Anonomouse
Years ago
That shot hadn't hit anything, until he pinned it. Straight up bad call
rinse
Years ago
To add to that, I was at the Suns Giants game today.
Holmen and Manigault are certainly ballers, but the rest of the team are not very good at all. Goodluck kid was atrocious and there was visible frustration from Manigault. Holmen grabs rebounds like crazy, and his offence is great, jump as high as possible and finish around the ring.
Interestingly Jay Bowie and Stephen Black where at the game, Willetton taking on Bowies old team next weekend.
Suns let a 20 point lead slip which made me pretty happy TBH. McIlroy was carrying on like an idiot when they were up, piped down when he realised it was the Giants playing bad rather than the Suns playing good.
Horn flirted with a triple double but was incredibly inefficient from the field.
Suns team is a u20s / DLeague team. Shouldn't win a game this season, sorry.
Anonymous
Years ago
Considering the Eagles only lost by 6 Goldfields weren't much better!!
Hogwash
Years ago
I wasn't at the Suns/Giants game today, but I watched the Eagles/Giants game last night and it was played in probably the worst conditions (humidity-wise) that I have seen for years.
Obviously nobody's fault apart from the weather gods.
It was a tight, high pressure game throughout, and both teams were visibly and clearly spent by the end of it.
EP will be a far better team than last year, and the trio of Williamson, Vague and import Korf did their best to keep them in it. Once the second import gets cleared, they will be one of those teams trying to pick up one of the last playoffs spots.
Both Giants imports were very good but both Goodluck and Hurst were also very good for the visitors in what was their first game of the year.
After seeing that game, I wouldn't take too much out of their performance against the Suns. To backup 12 hours after playing in those conditions, and against a young, Suns lineup that just rotates 12 players throughout, it was a good result to get the win, whether it was by 4 points or 40.
The Suns are going to do that to some teams, they have nothing to lose. So they will lose by either 30+ or it will be a nailbiter. There won't be any middle ground.
sblfan
Years ago
Interesting insight from Suns Coach Clarke in today's game programme;
"We don't have imports, starters and bench-players in the typical, local sense of those words. Rather, we have a squad of 25 players. Twelve of them suit up and play on our SBL team each game. Some of our players were born overseas and five of them start on the court each game, but those things are of no great significance to us. It’s a different philosophy, but we want to create and sustain a tempo and intensity that gives us an advantage and is fun to watch. We want to test the conditioning and depth of our opponents. Most importantly, we want to genuinely develop our players for the future."
rinse
Years ago
I take nothing away from Coach Clarke, I've heard he's a great developmental coach and is trying to do big things for Suns basketball. However I worry that he is just a younger Warren Kuhn. The SBL in my opinion isn't the platform to be developing young players (and they are very young). It can work in some cases (Mia Satie, Kyle Bowen, Daniel Grida) but these are low minute players. This idea of rotating everyone through for development is misdirected. Push your 18s, 20s and D League. Why are you developing players, for them to get tired of losing and go elsewhere??
Chan left, Timms left, Holmes left. All solid 6th men at other clubs, Chan a starter.
SBL in my opinion isn't going to be the NBA or NBL, we know this, but it should as heck isn't a development league for juniors, it's a development league for NBL/NBA/ Europe players. Losing Every week isn't developing club culture, it makes people sad and annoyed. Lakesides recent slumps have had people walk away from their club in recent years, and Wolves slumps in the WABL have seen people move to Stirling. People hate losing, period.
Minor annoyance... What is with the SBL website box scores? Index of success? MVP votes? Defensive assists? Minutes in the middle column?
It's a nightmare to figure out...
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I agree, i cant see Clarke surviving too long on the current pace/ideology he's got going on.
The brand wont even convince/attract any future talent to the club. They'll be stuck with what they have, which isn't much at all....
rinse I see your point on one hand and on the other hand it might not be as simple as it seems?
If Clarke was to take the win now approach they basically have to do a Willetton, Wolves or a Giants and open the chequebook far and wide and recruit like crazy.
With their current lack of local experience at SBL level they would need to bring in 8+ guys who are already proven. Maybe they dont have the money for that? maybe thats not the model they want to use?
Lets face it Triscari had Seva, Holmes, 2 very solid imports plus a couple of other players in Dunnell, Horn and Diaz who had SBL experience. They won 2 games and probably forked out a fair bit of $$ to get those first 4 guys there. Now none of them are there a year later.
More than anything they need a coach who is going to stick around a while and build something. Clarke is probably that kind of guy who isnt too fussed about the W/L column this year. Implementing a brand new system and philosophy takes time and if he can ground that this year and build on it they should hopefully see growth. The only risk is that in a year or twos time they cant turn over another coach and start from scratch again which they have done 3 times in the last 4 seasons.
???
Years ago
Coach Clarke is definitely taking a different approach.
Unfortunately their current roster doesn't have the local Aussie talent or 2 x stud imports to be competitive no matter what approach is taken.
Although they weren't that successful last year in the win/loss results, they had started to build a decent roster.
2 x imports plus Chan and Holmes is a decent start.
If they had of kept their imports (or upgraded), still had Chan and Holmes, added Prior and a couple of other locals then they were heading in the right direction.
Unfortunately going with bargain imports and not having a nucleus of experienced local talent is going to make it tough for them to get any kind of good results this season.
Using the SBL to develop their roster might be their approach but unfortunately I don't really see too many players on their current roster that are going to develop into anything more than role players.
koberulz
Years ago
When are this weekend's fixtures going to be released? All games are between two blank teams tipping off at midday.
Anonymouse
Years ago
In the SBL homepage news there is an article re fixtures, results, problems etc. that has a link to fixtures.
Downtown
Years ago
koberulz - if you are signed up for the tipping comp you can also get the fixtures on there a few weeks ahead... well for the men at least.
or just wait for Random's tips on here :)
Just on the big fella's last lot of tips, not as accurate as usual? Although always entertaining to read
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
or check the fixtures here http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=35668916
R@nD0m
Years ago
As DOWNTOWN said, a bit rough around the edges for me last week but the ones I did get correct - I wasn't far off the margin either! ;-) I know I was rather positive about the Suns new 'style' but after two weeks and despite reaching triple figures in each of their games, you have to start questioning whether you have the right 'horses to run YOUR race' if you are Coach Clarke at the moment. Getting 153 scored against you is never a highlight any coach or organisation for that matter, would want and if they really are trying to develop a decent program up in the sticks - maybe they need to focus less on points production and more on defensive strategies to stop simple stuff like layups if your 'aggressive' press doesn't work. Wolves got a scare from the Flames last round, Goldfields made it a successful trip to the city with two road wins and the Redbacks went down in a match which they were in control of for 80% of it up in the Midwest. Here is my look at this weeks games:
Slammers @ Perth - South West opening their account last weekend with a grinding win over the Lightning down at Eaton. Perth were up by double digits in the third against the Buccs but fell in a heap when the Buccs made their run and went down in what could be a crucial road loss even this early in the season. Form says Perth have definitely shown more so far this year, and being a Friday game means the lads from Bunbury will have to deal with Peak Hour & coming up from a busy day at work to contend with which always makes it tough for them. Redbacks to get back in the winners circle, defeating the Slammers by 12
Hawks @ The Church - It really is hard not to like what Nixy's boys have done so far this season... Double digit wins in both their games and just a great sign of cohesion and belief in that playing group. Lakeside losing what many would have seen as a very winnable game down at Eaton last weekend and head back to South Lake needing a win to get back some kind of form after two straight losses. Unfortunately for the Lightning I cant see that form reversal beginning here, and I think Hobbs could have a night out here with the weakness for the Lightning definitely being at the PG position! Hawks to make it three in a row in the Battle of the Lakes (Perry & South respectively!), defeating Lakeside by 17
Senators @ Cockburn - Cougars coming off possibly their easiest win for the season already, easily taking care of the Suns in a high-scoring affair at the Cougar Den last Saturday night, with young product Jake Harris being the only player from both teams not to get any points in that clash. Stirling coming off their second straight loss, this time at the hands of Blacky & the Tigers and suddenly alarm bells start ringing up at Warwick as they face the very realistic chance of being 0-3 heading into a Saturday night clash with the Magic. Home Court and pure form make me think Cockburn should have the Senators covered here, winning by 11 points
Wolves @ Gero - Etto's boys head north for the 'Gero Derby' as the boys from 'South Gero' make the 'short' trip up Brand Highway to take on the Buccs. Interesting game here with both teams having to work hard for their respective Easter wins, but with Wunders still out with that Achilles issue and given the Wolves athleticism inside, its going to be a hard task for the locals here against the reigning champs. Joondalup to get up rather convincingly, defeating the Buccs by 15
Tigers @ Kalgoorlie **Game of the Week** - Two form sides of the competition so far in 2016 do battle in the Goldfields as Team Black and the Tigers take the hour flight out to Kal for a Saturday night showdown with the Giants. Haney's boys enjoying their first road trip to the big smoke for 2016, with two strong wins on the road and head back to the haven that is Brookman St Stadium confident of handing Willo their second loss for the season. Bowie in red-hot form of late and it will be interesting to see not only how his former teammates treat him on court, but how the passionate Kal locals 'welcome' him back off the court too! Should be a close one up in the Eastern Goldfields, but I think at home and in form, the Giants are a big chance of pulling off the upset here... Goldfields to get up in a thriller by 2 points
Suns @ East Perth - I can't see the Suns game-plan changing too much here, and so the challenge for Coach Fisher (Where is Joe-Alan??) is to make sure his side can post triple figures as we all know the Suns can and will. Williamson was his usual consistent self against the Flames on Monday, but the two players who really impressed me for the Eagles were Nik Donlagic & Brendan Dinnardo... Both East Perth products who's development in recent times is really starting to show! For the Suns, and if the hot hand of Geordie Murray can get going like it did against the Giants, an upset certainly isn't out of the question here!! Eagles to get a scare but get up with both teams once again reaching triple figures, EP winning by 6
Magic @ Stirling - Double header here for the hosts as they welcome the Mandurah boys up for what could have significant Finals implications by years end (Head 2 Head) if the Senators don't start to transform some of that talent on their roster, into wins very shortly! This game will be won and lost inside, and if AJ, Cody & Lindbergh can't contain Mully and Big Red, it will definitely be advantage to Mandurah. Magic to give the Senators their fourth loss on the trot, winning in an upset of sorts by 8 points
Cougars @ Rockingham - Cockburn on the back end of a double header, whilst this will be the first of Rockingham's two games for the weekend. Both teams knowing each other very well having played in last seasons SBL Finals and also a fair bit of scouting happening in the past week or two with players from both teams at the others games (I see you DT... bopping your head to my music n stuff! :-P ) T Land a good chance to make his first appearance for the Flames this season should immigration get their 'ish' together this week, and that will make for one heck of a battle in the Guards with DT & 'Shaggy' Field to do battle up against T Land & the very much in-form 'Boof' Godfrey. Always fiery clashes are these local 'derbies' and expect a big crowd and much of the same here - Should be a pearler down in the Ham, and I will go with the Flames in a close one by 3 points
Flames @ Shed in the Sticks - Both teams on the back end of double headers and a massive danger game here for the Rocko boys. Coach Clarke has shown he is not afraid to give his entire team good minutes given the style of game they have implemented this year, and if they Flames are a bit hungover in the athletic department from a tough clash the night before against the Cougars at the Hothouse, it could leave them very vulnerable against the very up-beat style of the Suns in this one. Flames to more than likely trail early against the upstart Suns, but much like the Giants last week - should have too much power inside and come back for the 12 point win.
rinse
Years ago
Week 3 WRITE UP! Double delight for all you ppl
Redbacks v Slammers
Should be an interesting little match up here with both teams having the potential to push into the 8 with a win, but have both disappointed thus far. A dismal display of shooting so far from Worthington and Easley (combined 6/52, 11.5%) has to changed if the Slammers want to be apart of any playoffs conversation, X Factor Tre Nichols can't handle things all by himself. Fun fact: Demuynck (35.3ppg) is almost averaging more than Easley, Worthington, Crouch and Hitchcock combined (36ppg).
Redbacks by 12points.
Lightning v Hawks
Both teams love putting up the 3-ball, but the difference will be points in the paint for the Hawks here. If Carlwell and Purser can have their way inside against undersized Hallice and Alexander, plus Hobbs getting in to the ring, this could blow out quickly. I’m calling either a Hobbs or Purser triple double.
Hawks by 24 points.
Stirling v Cougars
Stirling are the new COCKBURN! Except opposite... it was just 12 months ago that the Cougars surprised us all with their 'started from the bottom’ prediction, now Stirling has gone south after lofty ambitions. Watching their games, it just seems they haven’t found their groove and are unsure whose running offense! Cougars have had a couple of easy matchups vs Suns and Redbacks, but Goode showed some scary numbers in just 30 mins of play vs Suns.
Cougars by 15 points.
Stirling vs Magic
I really feel as though this will be the game to turn things around for the Senators, surely they won’t start 0/4. Magic picked up the win against Geraldton with a Mullenax domination, and in OT, but I think that was more a case of the Buccs caught napping (More on that later). Stirling will get their home crowd to their feet (mainly because those Warwick Stadium seats are uncomfy AF).
Senators by 8 points
Eagles v Eastern Suns
Not a whole lot of confidence for either team in this affair, and after my rant on Coach Clarkes style I really would be a hypocrite to back the Hill boys. Vague is putting up solid numbers again, and this Korf fella is playing with some korfidence ... ha. Eagles to win at home.
Eagles by 10 points
Flames v Cougars
I’m hearing rumours T Land is out for the year, not allowed to play basketball due to immigration. Meanwhile the Flames have rolled to 2-1 and their single loss came to the Wolves by only 7 points! The inside presence of Pal and Land who are combining for 47.6ppg, 28.7 rpg and 4.7bpg while both shooting 55%+ is troublesome for opponents, and Godfrey is lethal from 3pt and FT line. Theres no love lost between these two and the Pal v Goode, Godfrey V Lane, Land v Field matchups will be legendary.
Cougars have a bit more firepower and options, winners in OT by 4 points.
Buccs v Wolves
Close to game of the round, you’d think on paper the Wolves would win quite comfortably. However throw in a home court advantage of 1,000 drunk Gero supporters and you have a pretty even match up. I think the Wolves will win this, but the key in the game will be the presence of Carter Cook AND whether or not Wundenburg suits up. The Buccs so far have been pretty slow starters, losing every first quarter so far, but finishing strong, winning every fourth quarter. Furthermore, this is link in part to Cook’s production. Through their first 3 games, Cook has been held scoreless, that’s right, 0 points in all 3 first quarters so far. Also, he had just 1 point at the half against the Magic and 2 points at the half against the Redbacks. 17 point second half v Magic, 24 point second half v Redbacks.
I think the Buccs can compete later in the year, but for now going off the stats, Wolves by 14 points.
Giants v Tigers
A good in depth review by the boys on SBL SLAM radio regarding both teams and their methods of play. If I understood the show correctly, the Giants lacking at the point guard position, and the Tigers are more undersized at the 5 plus shots to go around. I think if Black was smart, he’d let Bowie run loose on his old team this weekend. Whatever the split is between Armour and Scott, their combined shots need to be <30FGA and Bowie putting up the lions share. Cody and Johnson have formed a nice little frontcourt, With JJ tearing down plenty of Offensive Rebs and Cody protecting the ring. Rumours of Jervis are showing their head again, expect him from round 8 onwards and Johnson to come off the bench.
Holmen and Manigault are beasts, but I think Cody has enough length on him to trouble Holmen. Also Scott and Armour who terrorised the league in steals last year will have their way vs Goodluck and Nikora.
Tigers by 18 points
Suns v Flames
Rockingham will finish this one early and look to play their bench. Not much to say, I’m scared of what Pal and Land will do to an undersized and inexperienced Suns team.
Flames by 30 points.
Let us know what you think!
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Slammers defeat Perth - If weedon returns & Thomas still missing for Perth, the battle inside may turn the tide in Southwests favor.
Hawks defeat Lightning - Hawks early juggernaut mode will continue
Cockburn defeats Stirling - Cockburn clicking, Stirling backfiring.
Mandurah defeat Stirling - hardest game to pick for mine. Mandurah will be no push over & no Wroe again, see Stirling having a disastrous start to 2016.
East Perth defeat Suns - because suns will not win a game in 2016.
Cockburn defeat Rockingham - Prince & Holmes to come back into the fold, should just have a little more depth than Rocko
Joondalup defeat Geraldton - Gero are just too thin yet again. Illidis to return.
Tigers defeat Goldfields - Willo should get the cookies barring a typical self implosion. The only need to contain 1 of the imports to have a strong arm advantage.
Flames defeat Suns - see east perth v suns comment
On holiday after the NBL season. Whitcomb and Garbin both taking time off for the flames too.
Could see Ellis take some time similar to last year again?
Third coming of Jordan Wild?
Surprised to read Nic Cody predicted to hold Holmen in check. Holmen should have another 30/15 game
rinse
Years ago
I ain't sayin he gonna get shut down completely, but I feel he could be held to 25/10
Anon
Years ago
Maybe rinse should concentrate more on his job at bwa and less on spreading false rumors about imports or stickin up fo his willo mates.
Downtown
Years ago
reading a rinse write up compared to a R@ndom write up is like driving an old kingswood compared to a porsche 911.
however a rinse write up compared to a chris pike write up is like a kingswood to a Yugo commonly known as one of the most unreliable cars ever made
his latest piece referred to the head coach of the eastern suns as mitchell clarke who is actually a reserve guard for the willetton tigers men
surely at some point someone at headquarters has to realise this is just such a bad look for our league and not a good representation of what it is about.
The typos and incorrect names etc are embarrassing for the author.
But I think most of the blame has to go on the SBL admin for continuing to employ someone that can only regurgitate box score numbers in a "sbl week ~ wrap up" piece. I don't really think it is Pike's fault, I don't think he has ever played in the league and surely isn't familiar with all the players and teams.
Back around 2009 the game previews on the SBL WEBSITE had a small paragraph about each game briefing the key match ups, small amount of opinion on who would win certain areas of the game and a bit of insight into the rivalry's etc and they were great.
Random does his previews on here for free and has been doing them for years. I'm not speaking for him but maybe if he was chucked $50 a week he could produce them properly for the website (minus club insults such as "god squad, gero ferals" etc that are generally funny and in good humor anyway). If not random, i have no doubt there are others willing due to the amount of reviews, analysis and previewing going on in this forum.
Random I would be interested in your thoughts on the past articles on the website and the reasons for the decline in the sbl media presence.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Whats up with the latest player of the week special affects making the winners look like obituary RIP tributes (with the cheesy wings & cloud setting) as opposed to weekly winners....bring back the sketchy graphics & flame ball like a NBA skybox card lol
Agreed i thought those ones looked a bit odd - but don't complain or it will be gone!!
R@nD0m
Years ago
I've offered to C Rice and A Bowler at BWA to do the previews each week - But for one reason or another it has never eventuated... Maybe it has to do with the fact that I am affiliated to a club so in efforts to try and be as neutral as possible they get C Pike to do them. I understand that line of thinking and as #583901 suggested, I would tone down the nicknames etc if I was to do it in a formal manner but we can't criticise Pike for doing something which he is basically doing what has been asked of him. I don't know the guy personally but I am of the opinion at least he is doing something rather than having nothing at all. Yes BWA or whoever post the articles to the SBL page need to be held to account and actually proof read the stuff because there seem to be alot more errors than usual this season, but let's try and be proactive rather than reactive about this.
I know its alot of hard work, and it would mean some of our clubs would need to be held more accountable when it came to such things as video production etc but we as a League could learn alot from our Eastern States affiliates. Look at Big V - they have their own YouTube channel, have two weekly preview & review segments and share that on their website also. I know SEABL has something similar as well. Maybe if we went to ECU or UWA and said look if you have any graphic design or Journo students in their third of fourth year - looking to get some practical experience in a semi-professional sporting League, here is an opportunity to produce something which has never been done in this state before, and make it viable and entertaining at the same time.
I do the previews because I have been around long enough to know alot of the guys in the League, and while it does lead to a fair bit of banter on the microphone down at Rocko through those friendships - its never meant in a personal attack or derogatory manner and i'd hate for anyone to take it that way. We need more people involved with SBL who ARE passionate, and who DO want it to be as good as it could possibly be... One guy doing previews each week ain't going to change much if people are always going to be critical / negative first - Doesn't matter who the person is writing them!
In the great words of JFK - Ask not what your League can do for you, but rather ask what you can do for YOUR League!
maybe the saying 'you can only help someone who wants help' rings true?
maybe thats why your offer has not been accepted in the past Random?
They are fine with things the way they are.
Its not the best representation of our league (which is actually a really fantastic one) which is what people get frustrated with i think.
I do like the effort to jazz up the announcements of the player of the week. The Holmen picture might have been a little over the top but it at least shows some effort has gone into it, and getting his name and stats all correct in the background :)
What is happening with taylor land is he over his visa problems and ready to suit up. ive seen him at the games so I presume he is hanging around to play this season.
any news on hire,wagstaff,jervis etc people always talk about these 3 because they have all had SBL Experience . if they play it changes everyones ideas of whos top or not.
how far away are haney and franich from playing for the giants ? is Russell hurst the most underated player in the SBL? IS Aaron ralph the annoying ? he does have the sweetest outside shot in the sbl it is effortless and good to watch.whos better hobbs or Nichols?who is the most indimating player in the SBL , my choice is davis from wolves.
mullenax naturalised? heard a whisper. anyway another week another 50cents.enjoy your w-end jay bowie.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Could you ask any more questions in a single post?
T.Land VISA is having all sorts of issues. Doesn't appear he will play any time soon.
Highly likely no wildcats will play. Perth dont want them to or risk injury over the break.
No idea about Kal in's. The noise around town is they need to improve their guard stocks, not the bigs.
Hurst most under-rated player? no.
Aaron Ralph annoying - yes.
Better guard - Hobbs.
Intimidating player - none. the league gets softer every year.
Downtown
Years ago
Hurst most under-rated player? He is definitely up there as one of the more underrated players. Joel Questel has been under rated for many years. Josh Garlepp, Ben Ironmonger and Ryan Woodbury could also be in this category.
Aaron Ralph annoying - yes. Some would say they also dislike playing against Joe Allan and probably Taylor Land also.
Better guard - Nichols.
Intimidating player - the only person who could potentially fill this category is Michael Haney if he fills in for any games their imports may miss.
Hogwash
Years ago
Haney is apparently able to play as an 'Aussie' this year, ala Corey Easley.
Will make them very tough if he does begin playing. He will be a great backup. Apparently he is recovering from surgery though
I find the Giants guard bashing by Forde and Cecins quite humorous. Are they expecting Goodluck to be a world beater despite only having just moved to Kalgoorlie after being away on a month long US trip? He's probably trained with them once, maybe twice before the games last weekend.
Anon
Years ago
What a comeback bt Stirling last night! Cougars up by 23 late in the third then Cody puts the team on his back and wow! Tough backup for cougs heading down to rockingham tonight after that kinda loss
Not surprising to see utley, the land brothers and our mate random in attendance last night at cockburn
@anon: Are you expecting Goodluck to be a world beater when he has been training for some time and expecting him to be a solution to their guard issues?
Anyone know what injury Hobbs has? Arm in cast over the weekend.
Senators going 2-0 without their PG, knocking off Cockburn is big.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I thought Geraldton's win over the seemingly invincible Joondalup was quite significant as well in the constantly shifting landscape of power....
Huge win, particularly without their big fella in the middle, Wundenberg. To out rebound the wolves, wouldnt have predicted that.
Guess they aren't invincible.
I haven't seen him play yet, I'll get the chance this weekend.
11 points and 3 assists off the bench against Kyle Armour is a good indication he could play though. That said, I don't think he is going to be a world beater, he'll have a role and improve over the season.
I think Ezra Nikora is quietly improving himself too. Top 6 in assists and keeping the turnovers down.
Once the Giants get their bigs back I'm sure Manigault will be playing more guard anyway, but currently they are running just 8 deep so he's spending his time in the front court.
Wolves without underrated starting pg Joel Questel?
Still a good win for buccs.
I went to the Lakeside v Hawks game on Friday and must say the Hawks look extremely talented but it has been a long time since I have witnessed such poor team chemistry and attitudes of imports towards their coach, teammates and each other in general.
Hobbs and Carlwell openly screaming at Coach Nix, pouting and crying every time they got subbed out. If they passed to a team mate and they missed a shot or if any team mate made a mistake in general they were openly gesturing and displaying their displeasure and and yelling at them. The entire game there was head hanging, shoulder shrugging, head shaking and the rest of the team seemed to just tolerate it??
Carlwell being at least 15kg over a decent playing weight should be the last person getting on anyone! Hobbs seemed more interested in making sure he looked good than doing what it took to get a win and get his teammates going. It could be a long trying season for the local Hawks boys and the coaching staff if this is the attitude of their imports.
After keeping the Lightning to 11 points in the first quarter, mainly due to Alexander picking up 2 early fouls and having to sit down and Hallice not touching the ball they then came to life in the second quarter. Alexander had 26 pts in the second quarter and was 100% from the floor! These were tough contested looks too.
Lakeside putting a nice zone on the Hawks which played perfectly into their hands with the Hawks lack of willingness to play as a team. In the end they just ran over the Hawks.
Agreed an extremely poor display from the Hawks. 61-35 rebound count.
@Anons - was also at Hawks / Lakeside and while I agree with some of your observations (and acknowledge it is your opinion) I think you have painted a fairly one sided picture.
Hawks looked good / in sync for a quarter and a half but credit to Lakeside whose game style really took them out of what they were looking to do. The zone was effective and PL had trouble dealing with 2 talented athletic bigs (particularly Alexander).
Agree the effort from PL on the boards wasn't good enough. I don't think what you are saying re the chemistry and complaining from imports is accurate.
Hobbs broke a bone in his wrist early in the 3rd quarter and played out the game showing great mental toughness. Carwell looked to be trying to motivate more than anything.
When a team isn't playing up to / meeting their internal expectations it can be frustrating - sometimes you see this boil over on court.
Lukosius
Years ago
I think time will tell with Hawks,
I was at the game Friday and it looks like they have alot of great pieces but need more time figuring everything out, especially against the zone.
Hobbs being out doesnt help this and carwell needs to lose weight but from what Ive heard they are well liked within the team.
Full credit to Lakeside and probably flying under the radar right now, With parkinson coming off the bench it gives them alot more balance over 4 quarters.
They dominated the glass from every position.
Eastern Old Sun
Years ago
Anonymous
Earlier this year
15:10 21 Jan 16
Reply #574287
re: 2016 WA SBL
Quote -
"Barr,Wischer and Chilcott are mediocre,they wont have a huge impact at SBL level."
In her first two games for Suns on the weekend, Stacy Barr scored 29 points,5 rebounds,hit 10-of 20,and 4-of-9 from deep and then followed it up with 32 points,7 rebounds,4 assists and 4 steals against the Flames on Sunday.
Picked as member of the WSBL Team of the Week.
If these are performances of a mediocre player,then you must have very high expectations when rating players or you need to get out and watch some games.
FAM WE DID IT
A R@andom article on the website! Congrats mate
Macca
Years ago
its great the League Office has now recruited R@ndom to do a write up... and what a great read it was, but does this mean we will no longer get the 'unofficial' version on the forum?
R@nD0m
Years ago
Hahaha cheers for the feedback everyone. I don't know about HMMM's assessment of 'company man' but it's great that Adam @ BWA approached me to do the weekly column on there.
Unfortunately Ash it will mean that the 'corporate' version will be the only one i am putting out now though - Purely because each of those things takes me around 45 mins to write each week and I aint wasting another 45 mins just to do a slightly more brash version on here :-P That being said though, Adam / BWA have given me a fair bit of freedom with the column so if there is something anyone wants discussed on here (For example how a player who hasn't played all season for a club can make an all-Aussie allstar team selected by Cecins) then by all means suggest it and I will aim to get it in there. You guys wanted me writing on the website - now we have it lets try and run with it and see where it goes. Again - I will say not to certain things as I still have my coaching goals firmly at the front of my thoughts whenever I do a post but if its not too crazy an idea or topic, then I will give it a go!
R@nD0m
Years ago
Should have read 'I will say no to certain things' **
Seeing as though you went there R@ndom.. healthy debate is good!
In Cecins team I disagree on the Wags PG pick, Kyle is much much better at this stage in their careers.
I would start Purser over Ellis, for defense.
Forde's team is much more balanced but I think his rookie choices could be upgraded. C Martin for example.
If you are looking for ideas for the articles I have some suggestions:
A historical look at the league from your perspective - best scorer, shooter, assister (PG) rebounder, coach, import, trash talker
A look at the role players in the league, not the superstars but the guys who get jobs done e.g. S Mcintyre.
A semi regular power ranking
R@nD0m
Years ago
Healthy debate is good - So long as it doesn't get too personal or attacking then its exactly what this kind of medium is set up for.
Cecins is naturally going to stick up for / Be more biased towards his own club (Perth); Just like I am going be the same way for mine more than others. Its human nature plus you don't want to cop the wrath of your own club if you're seen 'overlooking' your own talent for that of another club! Sheesh I get a hard enough time from our boys when I pick us to lose a game in my weekly preview hahaha
Great suggestions regarding best shooter / import / trash talker etc. I am going to do part II of the coaches insight next week where I catch up with Matt Parsons & Charles Nix, but I will definitely look at a look back in history at some of the players that have passed through the League and my thoughts on them, sometime in the near future.
For mine, this would be my All-Aussie Team:
PG - Trian Iliadis (Wolves)
SG - Gavin Field (Cougars)
SF - Rhys Vague (Eagles)
PF - Mat Wundenberg (Buccs)
C - Damian Matacz (Wolves)
Bench
Seb Salinas (Wolves)
Ryan Godfrey (Flames)
Drew Williamson (Eagles)
Kyle Armour (Tigers)
Aaron Ralph (Buccs)
Cody Ellis (Senators)
Ben Purser (Hawks)
Thats a very big starting 5! Personally I think your line up would be better moving Matacz to bench and starting Salinas
HMMM
Years ago
nah i like it unless your playing the 8th graders you need size and Vague is being groomed to play the 3 at the next level
Watto
Years ago
Has Nando's thought about sponsoring the Hawks? It would be a good fit. Peri Peri Lakes Hawks
Farrison Hord
Years ago
That is actually one of the more funnier comments I've ever read here
*applause*
could they beat this tem of aussie nobodys
PG- WAGNER
SG- SCOTT
SF-AJ
PF- SMITH
C- PAL
If I played that team ^
Sit in zone for 48 mins, only AJ can shoot and he's getting on in years.
Macca
Years ago
I was just looking through some of the stats of these Aussie guys and noticed Chaudier Pal at Flames is averaging 19.6ppg, 63.5%FG, 16rb and 2.6 bl over 5 games played. The numbers he put up against Kalamunda were pretty impressive!
36pts, 22rbs, 3ass, 2bl.
These are some big numbers for a guy who I cant recall seeing play much at all in the SBL previously? I know he played some low bench mins a few years back but hes come out with a bang this year!
Can anyone give more background on him?
Im suprised there hasnt been much noise about him with the what he is putting up!
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Chudier Pal
Rockingham, Australia / Warnbro HS
2009: Rockingham Flames (SBL): 20 games: 0.6ppg
2010: Rockingham Flames (SBL): 25 games: 3.0ppg, 3.0rpg
2011-2012: NC-Asheville (NCAA): 8 games: 1.5ppg, 2.1rpg
2012-2013: Roane State CC (JUCO): 10ppg, 9rpg
2013-2014: NC-Asheville (NCAA): 17 games: 2.1ppg, 2.6rpg
2014: Rockingham Flames (SBL): 5 games: 4.6ppg, 5.6rpg
2014-2015: NC-Asheville (NCAA): 19 games: 3.1ppg, 2.7rpg
2016: Rockingham Flames (SBL)
I am not sure if it is official account or not but the video posted to "sblwa" instagram last night was despicable.
Kelly should be ashamed of herself
Macca
Years ago
Wow, i just watched that video and have to say I am shocked that it was posted.
Anonomouse
Years ago
It's not an official account, take a peek at all the other posts.
Either way, she probably deserved at least a couple fouls. Call the first and it's over. Did anything happen officially?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I'm more shocked people think that is a real account.
The SBL instagram is a great initiative by the SBL.
With the lack of content being released I'm so glad theyve finally reached that area of social media.
Big Cheese
Years ago
Desiree may have reacted like that because of the elbow to the ear she recieved on the play, made worse by being pulled to the ground earlier. To every action there is a reaction, that is not hard to see. If anything was despicable, it was the refereeing. It should have been stamped out much sooner.
The sblwa instagram is great. Clearly they are taking the piss but it is entertaining sbl fans. I certainly look forward to the posts
Really? Got both eyes open?
She clearly initiates it both times.
Refs definitely should have taken control earlier. But that's nothing new.
Big Cheese
Years ago
Have a look. In the first clip Willo is playing D, pressures the pass, and foul or no foul, Stirling grabs her shoulder and pulls, they begin to fall, Willo player reacts and pushes back, due to both of them falling it looks worse than it is. Second clip, heaps of niggling since first incident, Willo gets up and in on D, foul or no foul an elbow was swung through by Stirling player at the head. Yes the reactions may have been over the top but it's not like they were unwarranted. No punches were thrown, no one was injured.
With women's sport always living in the shadow of men's, is it not refreshing to see a bit of biff? Happens in the mens games every week. Some could say it is rather sexist calling out a girl for getting angry on court one time when it happens in every mens game.
Not having a go, just a thought...
Sauce
Years ago
the SBL page is hilarious! who knew Bowler was so funny? full credit to him!
Angelballz
Years ago
Its so sexist! If this happened in a mens game, it would be high fived or clapped, if you will.
Im just so sick of men in particular doing this.
ITS A UNISEX SPORT GUYS DUHHHHH!
I dont get the insta is it actually SBL?
Anonymous
Years ago
How are Peri Peri Lakes allowed to have another import. New guy from US played D League and now has an SBL contract.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Restricted players cannot play in D-league. He obviously has a citizenship or duel passport etc, if the case.
Anonomouse
Years ago
Bennie Lewis played in the D-League, then SBL. He was unrestricted.
If they have another import it means he is a Hobbs injury replacement?
Watto
Years ago
I like that the Peri Peri Lakes Hawks is catching on
Anonomouse
Years ago
Bennie played in the US D-League and was classified unrestricted.
Anonymous
Years ago
Nah. He played in our D League last weekend.
(and just for watto) He played for Peri Peri Lakes.
Hogwash
Years ago
You can place an import on the SBL's injured list and temporarily replace him/her.
Dusty
Years ago
SBL article about bunbury, headline has spelling error.
When u SBL
HMMM
Years ago
Restricted players can play in the D league here Perry Lakes had a Swedish kid play D league and he did not have a passport or duel citizenship. FYI also Kalgoorlie's bus broke down not Gero's another great article by Chris we will we will Pike u!
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Restricted players cannot play in the WABL d-league here (which is what i originally thought they referred too, so my bad).
If they did, the club/team would be subject to sanctions/loss of points or removal from finals etc.
HMMM
Years ago
as long as said restricted player is not listed on SBL roster until he needs to be he can play WABL.
Restricted Players
10.1 Each club shall be limited to not more than two (2) players per team who are
not eligible to represent the Australian National Team in the Main Official
Competition of FIBA, pursuant to all FIBA regulations as determined from time
to time. These players will be known as "Restricted Players".
10.2 Players may apply to Basketball WA to revoke their restricted classification by:
providing to the Basketball WA office a certified copy of his/her Australian
Citizenship Certificate, or
permanently living in Australia before their 15th birthday.
upon written application stating exceptional circumstances.
10.3 No SBL Restricted Player is eligible to play in the WABL unless that player has
been on the SBL “Injured List”. This eligibility will cease once the Restricted
Player's name has been reinstated on the SBL playing list.
10.4 Approval must be received from the Basketball WA office before the restricted
player takes the court in a WABL game
Farrison Hord
Years ago
eh.
again, failed to mention that they were a non-contracted SBL player, which then becomes an obvious situation as stated above.
R@ndom why does your article only have the first 3 games preview?
Another
Years ago
Wow some really in depth interviews with coaches this week r@ndom. Who would have known they have no opinion on anything?
HMMM
Years ago
Its called playing the media why would a coach go out of there way to critique or say anything negative about a person or coach or team etc. That's bad business keep it PC.
Macca
Years ago
I thought it was a good read and didnt feel like the coaches were necessarily being guarded in regards to how their teams are going. Maybe the last question on who they most respect they were but the take on lacking consistency and working on cohesion is probably very accurate for both of them right now at this point in the season.
Both teams have had large changes in their rosters and high expectations for the season so it makes sense to have this focus and these challenges.
Keep up the good work Random!
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I'm not being critical here, he probably just needs to approach the questions with a different angle or ask for insights that maybe doesn't require direct referral to the their teams own game plan/ideology etc.
Asking to name drop people (ie. what other coaches do you like) is probably just too awkward for some & they have all taken the political high road with "everyone's great".
Good job either way, i'd rather read something than nothing!
So the R@ndom article last week stated that expect Jervis to suit up for Tigers from week 8-10 onwards and into finals.
I wonder if that works with the channel 10 report last night of him potentially heading to Brisbane Bullets. Putting together a new team in Brisbane Lemanis would surely want to get started in pre season a little earlier than other teams.
Hogwash
Years ago
It was a strange story really, as Jervis is already contracted with the Wildcats for the 2016/17 season.
How far away is All Aussie SBL Centre even though he hasn't played in the league for years or this year Michael Vigor?
Where is Lewis Tomas?
Hogwash
Years ago
Vigor is currently playing for Plymouth in the British BBL.
Their last regular season round is this coming weekend and their playoffs then go for a further three weeks, with their Championship game being on the 8th May.
The top-8 go thru to the playoffs, and Plymouth are 10th and two games behind the 8th-placed team, with 2 games to play.
So I would assume they won't make the playoffs meaning Vigor would be free to return as early as next week.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Vigor will be back early May.
Thomas has an injured knee.
Playing stocks alarming low at the Spiders this year.
Anonymous
Years ago
Therefore we have the coach that can't playing 16yo kids who are not ready.
Shortage not due to the lack of recruiting other clubs juniors though.
Thoughts from the weekend:
Slammers might be better than first thought when Weeden is back to full fitness.
Redbacks might find themselves in a hole too big once the cavalry arrives.
How far will Perry Lakes drop without Hobbs. New import definitely not the same caliber.
Willeton must sign a big (Jervis) to make top 4
Rockingham will be very tough this year with the addition of Pal
Can the radio show please put games not involving Willeton 'under the microscope' please.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Lakeside defeat Eagles by 8
Rockingham defeat Geraldton by 8
Goldfields defeat Suns by 19
Cockburn defeat Southwest by 10
Joondalup defeat Perry Lakes by 17
Stirling defeat Perth by 21
Willetton defeat Mandurah by 2
Will be interested to see how Vague goes now that EP have another big man in the line up. Been logging heavy mins (44-45) a game and not producing to the level he did last year or what might have been expected after a year as a DP. Hoping he can make that next step
Vague is in a tough situation at East Perth, first time coach Joey previously in good hands with forde. It will depend if the team buys into whatever joey and fisher and mal keene are teaching. They have a decent line up with but probably lacking a go to centre/PF.
Donalgic
Williamson
Import
Vague
Import
Dinardo
They will have a solid top 7 when Dech comes back.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Cheers for the feedback everyone. I wasn't expecting some magic revelation from the boys re the questions - But I agree I will ask something which won't just get a standard answer next time! (I am still learning this caper haha)
So with that in mind, lets be bold and do some predictions on here then we can come back in Mid September and see how we all did - Ok here it goes:
Grand Final Teams - Men:
Grand Final Teams - Women:
League MVP - Men:
League MVP - Women:
Most Improved - Men:
Most Improved - Women:
Coach of the Year - Men:
Coach of the Year - Women:
Referee of the Year:
Personality of the Year:
Champions - Men:
Champions - Women:
Grand Final MVP - Men:
Grand Final MVP - Women:
R@nD0m
Years ago
Grand Final Teams - Men: Cockburn & Goldfields
Grand Final Teams - Women: Rockingham & Joondalup
League MVP - Men: Kenny Manigault (Goldfields)
League MVP - Women: Louella Tomlinson (Willo)
Most Improved - Men: Chudier Pal (Rocko)
Most Improved - Women: Lauren Jeffers (Hawks)
Coach of the Year - Men: Utley (Rocko) or Haney (Giants)
Coach of the Year - Women: Parker (Willo) or Petrik (Rocko)
Referee of the Year: C Copes
Personality of the Year: Ann Marie Foster aka the 'Wah Wah Wah' chick up the back of the stand at Rocko (Easily the best sound effect in the League!)
Champions - Men: Cockburn
Champions - Women: Rockingham
Grand Final MVP - Men: Gavin Field
Grand Final MVP - Women: Darcee Garbin
Grand Final Teams - Men: Cockburn vs Wanneroo
Grand Final Teams - Women: Rockingham vs Redbacks
League MVP - Men: Tre Nichols
League MVP - Women: Whitcomb
Most Improved - Men: Pal
Most Improved - Women: Mia Satie??
Coach of the Year - Men: Utley or Ettridge (assuming Parsons can't win it again)
Coach of the Year - Women: Friday
Referee of the Year: lol
Personality of the Year:
Champions - Men: Cockburn
Champions - Women: Rockingham
Grand Final MVP - Men: Gav
Grand Final MVP - Women: Whitcomb
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Still pretty early for alot of these, but alas...
Grand Final Teams - Men: Joondalup v Cockburn
Grand Final Teams - Women: Willetton v Perth
League MVP - Men: Cooper Land
League MVP - Women: Louella Tomlinson
Most Improved - Men: Chudiar Pal
Most Improved - Women: Ebony Antonio
Coach of the Year - Men: Ben Ettridge
Coach of the Year - Women: Ryan Petrik
Referee of the Year: Who cares lol
Personality of the Year: Matt Cecins
Champions - Men: Joondalup
Champions - Women: Willetton
Grand Final MVP - Men: Kevin Davis
Grand Final MVP - Women: Kate Malpass
GF MEN - FLAMES VS COUGARS
GF WOMEN - WOLVES VS FLAMES
LEAGUE MVP- GAVIN FIELD
LEAGUE MVP WOMEN - DEANNA SMITH
MOST IMPROVED - CHAUDIER PAL
MOST IMPROVED WOMEN -DENNA ENGLISH
COACH OF THE YEAR- PARSONS
COACH OF THE YEAR WOMEN - CJ JACKSON.
REF OF THE YEAR - PETER HOUGHTON
PERSONALITY - TRAVIS YOUNG
CHAMPIONS- ROCKINGHAM
WSBL CHAMPS - ROCKINGHAM
MVP - RYAN GODFREY
WSBL MVP - SAM WHITCOMB
Anoneemoose
Years ago
Grand Final Teams - Men: Joondalup - Cockburn
Grand Final Teams - Women: Rockingham - Perth
League MVP - Men: Holmen
League MVP - Women: Whitcomb
Most Improved - Men: Pal
Most Improved - Women: Satie
Coach of the Year - Men: Nix
Coach of the Year - Women: Petrik or Horwood
Referee of the Year: Hahahaha they all suck
Personality of the Year: A Bowler for his humorous fixturing
Champions - Men: Joondalup
Champions - Women: Rockingham
Grand Final MVP - Men: Davis
Grand Final MVP - Women: Whitcomb
HMMM
Years ago
Grand Final Teams - Men: Joondalup - Rockingham
Grand Final Teams - Women: Rockingham - Joondalup
League MVP - Men: Chudier Pal
League MVP - Women: Whitcomb
Most Improved - Men: Florance
Most Improved - Women: ?
Coach of the Year - Men: Utley
Coach of the Year - Women: Horwood
Referee of the Year: Adrian Diconza
Personality of the Year:Forde
Champions - Men: Joondalup
Champions - Women: Rockingham
Grand Final MVP - Men: Illiadis
Grand Final MVP - Women: Whitcomb
Macca
Years ago
I have to admit I just dont know enough about the WSBL so I'll just put my picks for the Men's SBL.
Grand Final Teams - Men: Joondalup - Rockingham
League MVP - Men: Tre Nichols
Most Improved - Men: Chaudier Pal
Coach of the Year - Men: Mark Utley
Referee of the Year: Craig Copes
Personality of the Year: Travis Young
Champions - Men: Joondalup
Grand Final MVP - Men: Trian Illiadis
I'll also add Rookie of the Year and picks for All Star 5:
ROY: Tim Squire (Suns) - currently averaging 19ppg at 42.9%FG, 30% 3pt, 87%FT (20/23)
All Stars:
1. Tre Nichols
2. Jay Bowie
3. Cody Ellis
4. Cooper Land
5. Jacob Holmen
Grand Final Teams - Men: Wolves vs Cougars
Grand Final Teams - Women: Flames vs Tigers
League MVP - Men: Gav Field
League MVP - Women: Whitcomb
Most Improved - Men: Pal
Most Improved - Women:
Coach of the Year - Men: Parsons
Coach of the Year - Women: CJ Jackson
Referee of the Year: Ha.
Personality of the Year: Travis Young
Champions - Men: Cougars
Champions - Women: Tigers
Grand Final MVP - Men: Najee Lane
Grand Final MVP - Women: Tomlinson
Macca
Years ago
Granted he suited up in a handful of games a few years back and took maybe 4 or 5 shots total in junk time of a game or two... he has never really played
so maybe doesnt meet the technical criteria of Rookie but I didnt want to hold that against him. Its not everyday you see a guy who played a couple of junk time minutes in a handful of games come out and then ave nearly 20ppg.
They dont officially give the award anymore so its not worth splitting hairs over. If there was, and the criteria had a minimum minutes, or shots taken or something like that (as baseball has minimum at bats) then he would be my pick.
If Pal didn't play in the league last year, does that make him ineligible? Same with Squire
Anon
Years ago
Screw the awards crap, lets ask the real questions we all want answered - Is jason chalk the absolute king of hide & seek? Where has the great man known as Bone gone??
word has it Simon Lokan has signed with the Redbacks and will play this weekend against Senators
Anonomouse
Years ago
Cecins seriously needs to put down the crack pipe.
His love affair with Lacko is now ridiculous, 9th!!!!! Get outta here with that crap.
Ahhh you can't really blame him for supporting his club. Placing his own teams higher based on hopeful thinking is fair, it's the over rating of the redbacks players that gets me.
Speaking of redbacks, they shot more than half of their shots from the 3 point line on the weekend. At a 30% clip, surely they can't continue that game style. Starters logging heavy minutes too.
Anonymous
Years ago
Ahh. Lacovic's worked on a zone offense. Grab it - shoot it - miss it!!
Almost as effective as his last zone offense.
R@ndom article saying Harrelson back for Slammers this weekend.
Huge for slammers, but doesn't he have a full time job in the USA now?
HAHAHA...
Where will this stop?
Four Imports wasn't getting the job done so they now are going for 5 Americans?
BWA need to step in here.
So whats stopping Mullenax and Lay heading to SW in 2017?
Make it 7 Americans!!
When does the development of their juniors become a priority over adding another Yank?
Anonymous
Years ago
Much prefer a competitive Slammers with a few seppos than a 2 win per season Slammers.
If I were a junior I wouldn't want to travel to Perth every second weekend to play WABL. Very hard for them to retain their juniors. It seems their good juniors go to college. Work and study opportunities see many of them head to Perth.
Yeah not sure you want to argue about the development of their juniors. They don't even have a WABL D league team this year.
Also interesting the R@ndom article suggesting the Sunday Dech has moved from East Perth to Slammers.
Forde on the radio seemed adamant that Dech would return to EP.
HMMM
Years ago
NCAA might have something to say about Dech playing not worth the risk
Really? It's the top article on sbl.asn.au. In the game previews for Slammers
"Had it not been for a strong rumour I heard over the weekend that T Harrelson will be suiting up for the Slammers as of this weekend"
"The second part of that rumour I heard revolved around a former Eagles junior now suiting up alongside his College coach in Harrelson... That of course being Sunday Dech."
HMMM
Years ago
Sunday plays at Metro St NCAA D-2 Harrleson coaches at Wayland Baptist NAIA soooooo......
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
@Red74 http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-5011-0-0-0&sID=78732&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=42942516
Anoneemoose
Years ago
Hearing rumours that Marshal Nelson will head back up the Hill to his junior club Kalamunda when he returns.
He played in this system for Coach Clarke in u20's and won League MVP
I guess Stephen will take over which will be interesting . lets hope he coaches and doesn't make it all about him yap yap yap !
when does their new import arrive - I believe it was this w-end.?
good luck to alan black in his new venture. a good man.
Not sure what happens for them now. Real test for them to see if they can stick together and keep building and not revert back to heavy iso ball
HMMM
Years ago
Lots of false rumours need to be little better investigative journalist a double check your source ;)
So if above reports are true and Harrelson is back to play for Slammers they could go with an All American born starting 5
1. Nichols
2. Harrelson
3. Crouch
4. Easley
5. Weeden
Another interesting question if he does play, Does Harrelson then re-assume head coach duties?
blah
Years ago
Harrelson isnt playing but Teny Puot does have U.S. residency
Good on the SBL for getting a mens and womens player to write an article for the website.
Will be cool to hear from the Aussie players around the league each week.
Because they are better positioned to give an insight into the club over the last season or two and how things are progressing. All imports that got here two months ago will likely say similar things in an article. Working on gelling with team mates, learning system and adjusting to the refs.
Cougars by 5
Perry Lakes by 8
Buccs by 4
Lightning by 14
Slammers by 7
Giants by 10
Flames by 19
Perth by 5
Cougars by 13
Tigers by 9
Well thats a bit naieve to think imports cant give insight into their club/team over last season or two.
Taylor Land, Cooper Land, Mullenax, Cook have all been here for 3 or more seasons.
Holmen, Nichols, Davis, Lane, Lindbergh, Hobbs, Carlwell, Bowie have all played at least 1 season here and im sure could give insights in what it has been like returning to their clubs and where they are at compared to last season or in the case of Carlwell and Bowie the change of clubs.
Hence why I said all imports that got here 2 months ago.
so maybe safe to say that the aussies arent necessarily better placed to give insight over the last season or two?
especially given there are so many imports who havent just arrived 2 months ago
Wolves v Cougars
Wolves the team to beat.
Cougars missing a few.
Wolves by 7pts purely because its at home.
Hawks v Magic
Hawks struggle without Hobbs (Eg last season and last 2 weeks).
No other prominent scorer.
Magic struggling but should be too much for undermanned Hawks.
Magic by 10pts
Buccs v Senators
Bucss toughest team at home to beat.
Senators on a roll of late and may surprise.
Buccs by 4pts in close one.
Lakeside v Giants
Giants on first leg so will be fresh.
Imports x 2 battle will be good viewing all round.
Local support cast the key.
Giants by 6pts.
EP v SWS.
SWS should win this.
EP need more depth.
Slammers by 12pts.
Hawks v Giants
Again no Hobbs hurts PL.
Need some one to pick up scoring slack, Carwell?
Giants backing up. Hawks extra day rest.
Hawks by 4pts.
Magic v Flames.
Flames too well balanced.
T.Land straightens them up.
Flames too quick and win by 15pts.
Perth v E.Perth
Perth should have too much for the Eagles.
Unless they play zone (which EP love to do).
So Perth by 12pts, But if zoned EP by 7pts.
Cougars v Lakeside
Cougars hard to beat at home.
Lakeside need alot to go right.
Cougars by 15pts
Tigers v Suns.
Tigers by 20pts. No need to explain.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Carley Mijovic joining Eastern Suns alongside Barr https://twitter.com/PerthLynx/status/723394757896990720
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Is is safe to say that this has been possibly the greatest WSBL season in recent memory, if not ever in terms of personnel & talent?
Willetton - Tomlinson, host of ex-WNBL players
Perry Lakes - Smith, Edmonson, imports
Rockingham - Whitcomb, lynx DP players, WNBL import
Joondalup - Wischer, Amos, Martin, Ironmonger
Perth - Mercer, Jones, Wallbutton, Jakens
Stirling - Land, Walker
Suns - Barr, Mijovic, imports
Cockburn - two imports & one is looking like a stud
Mandurah - Milo, import, lynx DP
Lakeside - Grant, Schwagmeyer
East Perth & Southwest unfortunately have nothing to offer this year but making up numbers
Joondalup look just a class above the rest of the men's competition. They were in control for the majority of last night's game against Cockburn, minus a mini fight back led by Gav in the fourth quarter. Just so many weapons, especially with the development of Ironmonger and Wellstead. Their defence constantly got Cockburn out of what they wanted to do, and left Goode visibly frustrated for most of the night.
Anonymous
Years ago
Just looked at live stats. The Eagles had 13 players grace the court according to the stats. Is that allowed?
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
The Giants are piss without their imports. Holmen is a gun though, all-star forward for sure
Anonymouse
Years ago
To be fair on them though (Giants), they have won more games than 9 other teams so far this season.
They need to start Goodluck. Nikora is slow and out of shape. Not a good reward for coming into the season like that.
They will be better when haney comes into the lineup
Saddened
Years ago
It's a sad day when in 2016 racism still exists within the SBL community, especially when the racial slurs are being thrown around by the head coach of the Goldfield Giants while he coached his team against the Perry Lakes Hawks on Sunday. Considering he himself is American and he has two African Americans on his team you would assume that he has enough cultural awareness, decency and professionalism to show respect to all players regardless of his disgraceful personal views. Instead, using malicious intent, he chose to shape his racial comments around historic events in order to hurt an opponent from Perry Lakes.
I think it is safe to assume that we all have enough of knowledge of the historical oppression’s of the African American people to understand the hurtful nature of such remarks. There is no place for racism within SBL and I hope that he faces consequences because of the words he carefully and deliberately chose to say. Just because SBL is not as high profile as the AFL does not mean players should stand for such mistreatment.
The fact that such disregard for historical understanding and sensitivity has come about at a time when Australia is reflecting upon the challenges of our ANZACs highlights the backwards thinking of this small minded individual. I am appalled by what I heard and it was evident than many others were too. I have so much to say on this topic as it has made me feel true anger towards such close mindedness but I am also wanting to show respect to the African American culture by acknowledging my limited understanding and I hope my post does not offend in any way.
Anoneemoose
Years ago
Sooooo did he use the N-word? Or other words? I understand it's a sensitive issue but you've not really said what he did. What's the context? Where and when did he do this? Did the PL player hear it? Did he react?
Red74
Years ago
Where were you when it happened? Did you hear it for yourself or second hand info?
Saddened
Years ago
Players from both sides of the team heard what was said, I don't think it needs to be repeated. It has all been reported so lets hope it gets sorted out honestly and professionally.
Saddened
Years ago
If it wasn't first hand information I never would have posted about it.
Anoneemoose
Years ago
You do realise that by typing a short novel about your feelings on the matter and then leaving out all details and facts it really turns your post into a whinge more than anything informative?
and more than likely an official of the club so wouldn't of thought it is in anyones interest's or proper to air it out in a public forum. LEt the powers to be deal with it.
Well Im definitely not am offical just a disappointed sbl supporter. That is why I'm not repeating what was said so that is can be handled by the professionals.
Haney really is a pathetic creature. The word in question was "boy" and was deliberately directed at Brian Carwell in an attempt to get him to react as the game was slipping away from Kalgoorlie in the 4th. Anyone who is unaware of the insensitivity of the word in relation to African Americans need only do a quick google search. I hope Haney is appropriately reprimanded - truly a low act.
Also, extremely disappointed at how the situation was handled by the officials. Carwell was clearly reacting to something that was said to him (and I am sure the refs were told this by the PL coaches and players) yet Carwell was the only one to receive a tech?? This is exactly what Haney would have wanted and the refs showed a complete lack of control and general common sense. Honestly SMH.
Time to replace Clarke. Clearly his "system" doesn't work to be blown out by 81 points. This will do nothing for the youngsters self confidence and team morale
Crossed the line
Years ago
I also heard Haney was threatening Carlwell with violence as the Teams shook hands.
If the accusations are true then he needs to be fired asap. That's disgusting behaviour and can't be tolerated.
As to the refs, it reminds me of when a Jordan Wild was calling Lee Roberts the N word and the refs did absolutely nothing at all, they just pretended to not hear any of it. They were only a couple metres away so of course they couldn't hear. But thats a different incident.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Just a chilled out triple-double from Bowie, Suns are a disgrass
Steph Jones released from EP, according to the update from EP themselves the relationship was untenable
Farrison Hord
Years ago
You can all chill out about the Carlwell/Haney incident.
Storm in a tea cup & Carlwell was being an utter idiot. Guy needs to grow up & get in shape.
the suns , is that scoreline a record breaking defeat. I have never seen ablow out like that. maybe the $$$ carly mijovic will earn from the season, half of it could have been used to secure another player to strengthen their mens progamme.
well done to the suns women has added even more spark into the womens completion.the womens comp looks exciting.i still like the flames with ibekwe still to come in, they struggled and were extremely lucky by all reports to defeat the magic on sunday.
hopefully Michael haney verbally apologises and moves on , he is a passionate guy and im hoping that it was said in the heat of the moment and can be put to bed quickly.they need to win against the magic this week in a tough game, I think if magic lose this weekend they could be nearly done 2-7, if the giants lose they need to have a good look at themselves as well after there w-end results
apparently all the Suns mens players get paid as they planned on not having any imports this year? They ended up with McGill and Marsilli who seem handy.
I watched the Tigers v Suns game on Monday. Ive never seen anything like it. Suns defense really struggled to slow the Tigers down in any way.
Suns shot selection at the other end lead to many easy transition opportunities for Tigers which for Bowie, Armour and Scott played in their favor.
Suns seemed to sub every 30 seconds or so which Ive never seen before.
Not sure why McGill didnt play, he was in his playing gear before the game and then disappeared to the locker room and returned in pain clothes and sat on the bench.
Not sure why the calls for Clarke to be removed.
All that club has needed for the past 5 years is some stability. If the system works or not you are going to get beaten if you don't have the players to compete. They shot 43 triples at 6% from the field. How is that on the coach?
If they lost the game because of the subbing every 30 seconds, playing 5 guard lineups or all centres or something ridiculous sure, but is that the case?
I would bet that all this crap about Haney is being blown out of proportion.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
While its not all on the coach, but still is somewhat, they truly need to look at their personnel.
To have no heart & get clobbered like that on ANZAC day says alot.
Clearly most these kids are not up to par nor ready for SBL basketball.
watching the game it made me wonder what they did the week before to be within a point of knocking off Kal?
Some of the 3's the suns were taking were contested, off one pass or no pass offence. So to say they just shot bad is probably not accurate. A lot of them were just shots that shouldnt have been taken.
Contested low % 3's leading to long rebounds and easy transition buckets allowed the Tigers to rack up points quickly. It seemed like Suns didnt make any adjustments and continued to take the same types of shots regardless?
Crossed the line
Years ago
Ask the people from PL if the Haney thing is being blown out of proportion.
Calling an African American "boy" multiple times in a derogatory manner is not a storm in a tea cup, it's actually racism.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Get over it.
Build a bridge.
He's mad someone called him "boy"? GTFO.
Referencing & searching google for a 1800's racism reference is a joke & embarrassment to you.
Its 2016 & slavery was abolished a long time ago.
Sick to death of people playing the racism card & making it a hot topic.
Back to basketball talk PLEASE...
Giants/Hawks situation will be dealt with by the correct people. My sources say it was the word "boys" referring to his own troops not singular. Im sure this isnt done with yet and we will learn more later in the week from the SBL.
For those that are blown away by the SUNS/TIGERS results....Most people may havent been able to watch the Suns play yet....This is there system and Coach Clarke will stick to his guns regardless of time/score. They avg nearly 15 made 3PT a game and only making 3 ( 36 pt difference ) I can see them taking a few 40-50 pt L's vs some of the top defensive teams who can really defend penetration ( EX: Tigers w/ Armour-Jay )
Most impressive on the weekend - Wolves / Gero
Lakeside-Magic-Eagles-Hawks-Cougars all had solid splits and would be happy with the weekend going forward.
Giants are going to have to pick it up and quickly...Next few weeks will see (MAGIC/WOLVES/STIRLING/FLAMES)
@Farrison Ford wow you clearly are ignorant... honestly can't believe how someone could display such a lack of understanding and have such a backward stance on this issue.
Playing the race card? There is still real discrimination toward African Americans and other minorities in America and Australia TODAY. See the Adam Goodes saga from last year or Donald Trump generally. Haney being an American knew exactly what he was doing, knew it would illicit a response and SHOULD have known better.
It is basketball related as it happened during the game. There's is NO place for such behavior in sport or society in general.
Crossed the line
Years ago
Farrison, you really played yourself there.
It is clearly racist in that context. You need to get a grip.
Yep, if it was in that context at all. As someone said before Haney was probably just saying boys to his own players. Lets not all jump to conclusions nobody knows for sure.
Crossed the line
Years ago
Pity he said it to Carlwell, more than once from what I was told
He will be claiming it was boys directed at his Team to try get off at a Tribunal.
Jordan Wild got a 3 game suspension for his racial comments toward Lee Roberts a few years back.
The Giants are a proud club and the League is one that embraces all cultures. Im sure if this was found to be true that it wouldnt be treated lightly.
Lets hope it gets sorted out quickly and that all parties can move forward.
Yep and no doubt you were told by someone from Perry Lakes who tend to get a bit dramatic on the court.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Political police are out in force today.
Don't ever mention Adam Goodes again. He was booed because he is a total wanker/idiot. That being a racism issue was completely & utterly a media generated shit storm.
I dont condone or endorse racism. But if you get your knickers in a twist over some words then you need to check your emotional stability.
I'm not about to go cry to a newspaper or internet forum if someone calls me a "white dog". Its WORDS. Just accept some people are morons & move on. Life is so much easier then.
In other words, if Carlwell just shook his head & walked off he would have looked like a hero & Haney, an idiot. Instead Carlwell looked like a big cry baby who had his bottle taken away from him.
Crossed the line
Years ago
So it is Carlwells fault he reacted?
How about Haney not be racist? Then nothing even happens.
You don't condone racism yet you want a person to just take it and walk away?
You do know racism takes many forms right? Including WORDS.
Could not disagree less Farrison. Yes words are just "words" .. that does not give you the right to say anything you want to whoever you want. If you drop your ethical standards by saying they are "just words" then this sort of behavior becomes acceptable and other behaviors and attitudes that a more sinister begin to surface. It is widely accepted that in today's world, any form of race discrimination should receive zero tolerance.
Yes people react differently but how you can possibly turn this on Carlwell shows me how misinformed you truely are.
And on the point of him possibly saying "boys" to his own team - no this was not the case .. the Kal imports were supporting Carlwell after the game who was clearly still distressed. Who has the motivation here - Carlwell, who's team is up 6 with a minute to go, or Haney?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Then nothing happens? Carlwell was the one stirring everyone up & acting a fool in the first place.
You think he got that technical foul for carrying on for no reason only moments before the said incident even occurred?
Either way, i dont care. Heat of the moment stuff. I bet Haney would have even offered him a beer & a handshake after the game. Hell he probably may have even apologized.
Do you think Carlwell would have accepted it & moved on though...?
UMMMM
Years ago
Why would anyone accept an apology for someone that was being racist the whole game what a joke get that clown outta here send him back to the South where that sort of behaviour is accepted in white culture lol or he could stay here cause its clearly accepted here.
I have heard from some sources that the whole reason for the 2nd eruption from the big fella was because Haney attempted to speak to him afterwards. Im not sure what was said but Cardwell wouldn't shake the coaches hand I know that much. Shame things couldn't be left in between the 94 ft recantagle.
Anonymous
Years ago
Tribunal Wednesday night for Haney and Carlwell.
Hoop Scoop
Years ago
Firstly, I was at the game but didn't hear what Haney allegedly said as I was sitting towards the Hawks bench end.
If what he has said is to be true, then something needs to be done, but the big word here is allegedly.
There was no constant racism the entire game as stated by someone, this happened with under a minute left in the game after the Giants called a time out.
Haney does talk a lot of crap from the sidelines, he did it as a player for years too, but that said, as always there is always two sides to every story and I notice there has been very little said about how Carlwell carried on the entire game, stomping around, screaming profanities from the benches in timeouts and his general carry on.
I see that a tribunal has now been called with both Carlwell and Haney charged so there may be more to it than has been discussed.
At least it's being addressed by the SBL and the peoples court can be adjourned.
Moo
Years ago
I hear the Eagles played zone the whole game but Nic wasn't told by his assistants. They've got to communicate more betterer.
R@nD0m
Years ago
I've spoke to Mike about it and he has told me his version of events, I won't say these until I release my Preview on Thursday so that the tribunal can run its course but all I will say on the matter is two things:
1) Those who have been around the League long enough will know that in his playing days, Mike was accused of racism by then Buccs Import Curtis Marshall in a Buccs Giants game. He was found NOT GUILTY.
2) Hearsay is something which should be taken with a grain of salt (Take it from me who did similar with the Ty / Sunday 'rumor' last week from what I felt was a fairly reliable source) - but in particular when it is on such a touchy issue.
There is no room for racism in any First World country - but unfortunately it does exist. H-Ford's comments leave me somewhat bewildered because they are not just only words so they should 'just get over it'... If the person who the comments are directed at takes offense and they are viewed by the general public as derogatory or racist, then that is EXACTLY what it is. I say this because I've grown up as a proud but very light skinned Aboriginal man, and have seen it first hand happen to my friends and even myself from random people on the street to people in authority. The old saying of never judge a book by its cover is incredibly true... At the end of the day you take away what people see and we all have the same body organs, maybe its time some people mind's stop seeing everything as so black and white as well.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Call me old fashioned i'm just a firm believer that if its said on the court, that is where it stays. Irrespective of what it is (physical or verbal). Once the game is done, real life continues & all is forgiven & forgotten.
Obviously people have a different opinion on the matter or how it should be handled & that's fine.
I'm done on this topic now, so no more from me.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
To be fair though guys, I was raised in the sticks and don't have a clue about basketball or social issues. From the safety of my computer screen though I am super powerful and no one can touch me. If my diabetes doesnt kill me my retarded views will.
UMMMM
Years ago
haha WHAT? so you can say whatever you want on the court that is just dumb hahaha cant make this stuff up.
Green 90
Years ago
Wow, an allegation of racism directed towards Mike Haney. Big surprise here. While people can say he was not being racist as he was directing the word 'boys' towards his team; or that we shouldn't judge him until we know all the facts, history would say he is guilty, and quite clearly, a racist individual.
Let's look at the facts. Mike Haney has a proven history of being accused of committing racist acts. This accusations is the third that I know of.
1. Accused of racist language towards Curtin Marshall.
2. Accused of racist language towards Jason Faulkner.
3. Accused of racist language now towards Brian Carwell.
While people can allude that he was found not guilty of the Curtis Marshall incident, or claim that the Jason Faulkner incident did not happen (it did happen, everyone on the floor heard him call Faulkner a N****), the fact that he keeps getting accused is not a coincidence.
If the Giants had ANY integrity at all as a club, they would fire Haney. His attitude towards African American individuals is not acceptable and it can not be tolerated in the SBL.
Green 90
Years ago
Oh one more thought, maybe Ben Cousins was never a drug user in the AFL as he was never actually found in possession of drugs while he was playing?
Red74
Years ago
I was at the Hawks - giants game and I heard that Haney "allegedly" called Caldwell "black". I heard Caldwell from the stands say "he called me black. I'm gonna fuck him up"
Where did this "boy" stuff come from?
@Red74 you heard wrong as it is confirmed in the official report, by Carlwell himself and the PL players that the reaction was over the use of the word "boy" in a derogatory manner.
Connectiv
Years ago
Racism is only OK if it is towards Arab people.
Case closed.
Red74
Years ago
@connectiv.....tell me you're joking please....otherwise you, sir, are an idiot.....
Round 7
Eagles/Hawks
Both coming off gusty victories and will look to grow on the recent form. Eagles will be able to throw everything at Nix's boy in the Friday night clash has its the only game of the round. On the flip side the Hawks will face a tough Gero squad 24 hrs later. This could be a slight upset if Vaugue/Bardell can somewhat contain the size of the Hawks. Hawks 93 Eagles 88
Slammers/Tigers
Slammers are winners of 3 out of the last 4 and found themselves in 7th on the ladder. Tigers are sitting 3rd at 5-3 also winning 3 out of the last 4. Game will be in Eaton which will be a important thing for the Slammers to lean on in this one.
Weeden is slowly getting his feet under him and will be key to provide 15-18 solid minutes. Crouch/Jay and Armour/Nichols will be fun to watch. The team that can make the 3 ball will win this one...Hitchcock or Scott ?
Tigers 95 Slammers 90
Hawks/Buccs
Hawks will find this very difficult having to back up. Hawks rely alot on there bigs really controlling the paint and I find it hard to see this happening on tired legs vs the strong Buccs side.
Buccs will run over them late... 101-90
Giants/Magic
Giants won this matchup 3 weeks ago on a Sunday in Rocko. Can the Kalgoorlie boys matchup again with the size? It will come down to controlly Setty and staying out of foul trouble as both teams dont go very deep.
Giants to much 106-98.
Wolves/Slammers
Wolves will be to much on Fresh legs. They will be able to contain Nichols and will be off from there. It wont be the 58 pt that we seen WK 1 on 29% shooting from Bunbury but the result the same.
Wolves cruise 103-80.
Lakeside/Stirling
With Wroe back and hopefully AJ back in the lineup I think they will have just enough size to handle Alexander and Hallice. Lightening need others to step up to have a chance. Stirling to many weapons.
Martin a key if Lightning have a chance which I think they do.
Stirling 99 LS 93
Cougars / Redbacks
Redbacks with Rocko,Stirling,Gero in the near future. Cougars need to go through the big fella and Mr. GF early and often. Foul trouble will doom the redbacks.
Couagrs 110 - Perth 90
Flames/Suns
Flames seeing the Suns for the 2nd time and is in Rocko.
Suns are due to make some shots...follow Willo and they will be fine. Rocko have to many defenders on the perimeter and will be touch much to early. Flames 120-Suns 93.
Gero/Stirling
This will not be a fun game to referee. Both teams will be wore down come the 2nd half. Who wins the halfcourt battle that it will become? Gero 96 Stirling 90
What is up with the fixtures this year. Teams play each other once then again in 2-5 weeks. Geraldton and Stirling again this week. Couple teams play each other twice in the last 3-4 weeks as well. It's never been like this?
I think with the Magic stadium issues and Easter being early it made this season more difficult then normal to set up fixtures.
Same as last years fixture.
Some teams will play each other twice before seeing other teams at all.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Greg Hie signs on for the remainder of the SBL season with Joondalup & will be part of a 3x man rotation with Davis, Evans & himself until he reaches 150 & becomes unrestricted.
Joondalup should unequivocally be championship favorites now, if they weren't already.
Absolutely favorites. When he is unrestricted you have to imagine Huntingtons minutes are going to dramatically drop. Bit rough for him but he will get another ring!
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Hire played 73 games between 2009 and 2012, according to foxsportspulse, but he played between 2005 and 2008 as well. He must be in 140s
Reading the article it seems like Hire will be pinch hitting minutes at the 3 spot. Trying to work on the areas necessary for the NBL.
Lukosius
Years ago
Greg Hire:
2005 - 17
2006 - 26
2007 - 12
2008 - 10
2009 - 11
2010 - 18
2011 - 29
2012 - 15
Total - 138 (all with the Wolves)
3 week suspended sentence for Carlwell and 6 week suspended and $500 fine for Haney.
Both found guilty.
???
Years ago
Not sure what my opinion on Hire joining the Wolves is...
On the one hand it is fantastic for the league to have this level of talent playing but on the other hand, I kind of think it is creating an uneven playing field and isn't doing much for junior Wolf development/long term sustainability for Wolves.
Hire is obviously a Wolves junior and appears to have stayed actively involved even when he wasn't playing so congrats to the club for being in this position. But juggling three restricted players through the rotation is probably against the spirit of the restricted player rules (not that others haven't taken advantage of the grey area before...)
Having 2 x imports, Hire, and senior players in Seb, Trian, Damo, Huntington, Maxwell, Smyth, Questel. That is 10 established SBL vets + imports which are all very capable of playing big minutes and making major contributions.
It would be very difficult to bring any juniors through the program or convince them that they have a future in the next 2-3 years at Wolves.
It would be fantastic if a couple of these players were playing for teams like East Perth, Suns, Redbacks and created some more evenly spread competition.
Having said all of the above, well done to the Wolves to put the hard work in and be able to be in this position.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Wolves are in win now mode.
I guess there is no genuine need to be developing youngsters at this exact point in time. Both Ironmonger & Wellstead are juniors that have progressed through the ranks & the the clubs WABL teams continue to be some of the strongest.
Just smart list management. Keeping everyone content might be the task in the future.
???
Years ago
So the tribunal results are out for the Haney v Carwell incident.
Carwell pleaded guilty and Haney was found guilty.
Both received suspended sentences... Is this a joke or what?
There is already a precedent set with the Jordan Wild incident a couple of seasons ago where he got 3 weeks ban.
So now the tribunal set another precedent in the fact that, in the future, participants can 'Bring the Game into Disrepute' (from all accounts this was racial comments) and not expect to miss any games.
It doesn't really send a strong message that this conduct won't be tolerated in the SBL.
Despite what's been said on here, Haney's charge wasn't for racial abuse. This has been confirmed by the SBL and published in the press.
Clearly the racial abuse in this instance falls under the "bringing the game into disrepute" banner, otherwise Haney would have received no penalty.
The action in question was Haney's use of a racially charged term toward Carlwell, nothing else. In all likelihood the SBL brought the charge as bringing the game into disrepute to avoid the shit storm of a full blown racial vilification charge. Bit of a cop out if you ask me but can understand the reasoning, particularly if there was some dispute as to what was actually said etc.
Anonymous
Years ago
Fantastic situation for the Wolves to be in and one that guarantees success. Similar in many ways to Perry Lakes teams that won their championships. Guys who have been willing to sit on the bench a few years and then grab their opportunities ala Blennerhasset, Tupaea etc.
On that note, who would win?
Hawks
Blennerhasset
Tupaea
Mayger
Teasdale
Burston
Wolves
Illiadis
Salinas
Hire
Davis
Huntington
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I'd actually take the Hawks. That roster was a well oiled machine over that time period.
Brad French
Years ago
I would like to set the record straight and state here that the Giants strongly refute any suggestion that our head coach Michael Haney enagaged in anything that could be classed as racial vilification.
However, following a report submitted by the game referees, the SBL have followed due course via Wednesday night's tribunal hearing, and the Giants have accepted the findings and will move forward from here. There is an appeal process that our club could follow, and we are in discussions now as to whether we will follow that course.
Rumours and innuendo have been flying back and forth regarding this incident, but our club takes the stance and word of our coach and his support staff, over the keyboard warriors that are suggesting otherwise.
I would like to add that suggesting that Michael Haney is a racist is not only disappointing, but also 100% incorrect.
Let me remind those keyboard warriors that as our Head Coach over the past two seasons, Mike has been at the helm of a team that has only had Afro-American imports, and those imports have respected and appreciated the passion and experience Mike has brought to our club as Head Coach.
And as an import for the Giants over 140 SBL games, Mike was instrumental in recruiting two former college teammates of his in Darnell Dialls and Alonzo Hird, two very good Afro American players who are also two close friends of Mike's, going back to their early days in college.
In anybody would still like to suggest that the above is not the case, please do not hesitate to contact me via phone or mobile and we can discuss. My contact details can be found by visiting the official Giants website.
Brad French
SBL Administrator
Silver Lake Resources Goldfields Giants
www.goldfieldsgiants.com
Don't know if its been reported on here yet, Willetton sign 6'8 import Charles Funches out of Hampton University.
Probably see Johnson move to the bench? Not a bad front court, maybe lacking weight though.
On that note, who would win?
Hawks
Blennerhasset
Tupaea
Mayger
Teasdale
Burston
Wolves
Illiadis
Salinas
Hire
Davis
Huntington
^^
...but would they beat the 2016 Eastern Suns..
Anonymous
Years ago
I think the Hawks would win also. When you add the likes of Sinfield, Malajczuk and an import they would be hard to bet against.
Anonymous
Years ago
If that group of Hawks suited up today they would beat the Suns despite all being around 40yo.
Keyboard warrior
Years ago
Just because you have African-american friends from college and recruited African American players does not absolve you from using "Boy" in a negative way sorry he may not be racist but he did use a word that should not be said and should of been punished more than it was.
apparently funches has some visa or clearance issues? unlikely to play?
Can't find much about that new tigers import. Hasn't played since college in 2011??
In regards to Greg Hire signing for the remainder of the season with the Wanneroo Wolves, I don't understand how this is a hindrance to their junior developmental program. Greg is clearly a Wolves junior, albeit his little stint at the Stirling Senators at a junior level, but for him to remain involved with the 'Wolfpack' is a testament to the club. For players like Jordan & Ben, they should use this opportunity to not only learn from a great player but also a great leader. On the subject of manipulator of the restricted player policy, Cody Ellis is a Stirling Senators player, Hire is a Wolves junior, for them to be classified as restricted is an absolute joke!
im sure jordan wild has african american friends too.
didnt mean he could get away with making inappropriate racial slurs to opposition
In the heat of competition people make mistakes. when people make mistakes of this nature there should be stiff consequences
If he was found guilty it should not be a suspended sentence
If they could not prove he used racial comments but that his dialogue and behaviour still brought the game into disrepute then by all means give a suspended sentence
as brad pointed out, the findings have been made and both the hawks and the giants have a right of appeal if they feel it has not been dealt with appropriately
I think that was the last import they tried getting in, Funches will be good to go in a couple of weeks.
Played in the APBL, a very very semi-pro (maybe quarter pro) league in the states.
`what a joke
Years ago
Well what great teamwork at the tribunal last night by the goldfield giants. All the assistant coaches lying to protect Haney, isn't it great when a klan comes together...sorry i meant plan...as for the bullshit you posted Brad French, Haney may well not be racist but to use racist slurs for the purposes of wining a basketball game is an utter disgrace and evidently something he has done before. Being accused of this for the third time goes beyond just coincidence on his part.
Good to see
Years ago
Its a shame that the SBL isn't following the example that the AFL is when is comes to racism.
Shut Up
Years ago
Who cares.
Call Brad French like he asked if it burns your soul so bad
Barry Crocker
Years ago
Why call him if he still believes Haney did nothing wrong? It'll be a waste of a phone call.
Good to see the SBL is still leading the way with decisive action to stamp out behaviour that shouldn't be present in any situation.
Anonymous
Years ago
It is hard to fairly judge the tribunal decision when not there and not privy to all information.
However, it seems they took an easy out when there have been previous charges of a similar nature.
There were a lot of WABL kids watching that game. Not a good look for basketball and both parties should have acted with more responsibility to the game.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Charles Funches helped his New Jersey Thunder team win the league championship a few days ago, so he's likely not even in Australia yet http://www.usbasket.com/APBL/basketball.asp?NewsID=445196
Other than that, he's played in Uruguay and Denmark
He touched down last night, missed his first flight. His Instagram had me way confused, this dude is literally John Dickson aka Johnnybo200. Maybe a bit taller, but I got a strong feeling he's gonna be up there in the showboating ranks...
Ay y'all are sleepin on Willo, they 5-3, could be dam well undefeated without their 3 bad fourth quarters. Got Ma boy Julius Bowie n now Chuck Funches aka MrBrandNew aka JohnnyBo300 to hold it down for the brotherhood.
Just sayin, they clickin righ now n Chuck gon lift the team to top 2 at least bruh. Joondalup Pups no doubt team to beat but never know what could happen. Insert Hire and take out Evans, Davis a lone brother out there man. That ain't good for the chemistry man, and I done TEE Chem. I done seen them titration's and litmus tests ...
Just don't be sleepin on em cuh..
Farrison Hord
Years ago
A bit over a quarter into the mens SBL season (almost half way in terms of rounds surprisingly!)
Who would you have in your live/current All-Star 5 right now....?
1 Trey Nichols
2 Jay Bowie
3 Gavin Field
4 Daniel Alexander
5 Jacob Holmen
PG Nichols ( Slammers) 30 PPG 7.4 REB 4.4 AST
Is having to do alot more this season and time will tell if teams find the answers or Tre wears down a bit. So far he has won a few games for them. Crouch has showed he belongs thus far as well.
SG Scott ( TIGERS ) 22.8 PPG 3.5 AST 39% 3PT
I bit of the old D Scott has imerged thus far for the Tigers. If he can make the 3ball at this clip it will make a Top 5 spot hard not to find.
SF Demuynck ( Redbacks) 29.9 PPG 11.1 REB 36% 3PT
Pure shooter who can score in bunches. These numbers are very nice to this point of the season. Can he bring some more WINS is the question
PF Holmen ( Giants)
Hybrid 4 man who is playing at a level throughout the first 1/3 of the season. He could play 3-5 for you and can go all day.
C Alexander ( Lightning) 28.3 PPG 10.9 REB 58% FG 44% 3PT 84% FT
His game isnt flashy, but it is smooth. He makes the game look easy at times. Kid can play and has good knowledge as well of the game.
Guards ( No order)
Godfrey , Bowie , Manigualt, Field, Armour
Bigs ( No Order )
Goode , Pal , Land , Purser
Anonymous
Years ago
Where's R@nD0m. I want to do my tipping. It's Friday afternoon!!!
Ay yo..#136, where you at bruh?! Is I still a wanker now huh?! I told you bruh, don't go sleepin on my brother outta Jersey, Chuck CAME wit it off the bench dbl-dbl off the bench in half a dam game cuhhh?! Are you kidding me?! 4 blocks, putting up dam Drummond numbers cept he shoot the charity ball.
Don't be sleepin, I AINT SAYIN IT AGAIN! ...
You get caught again bruh... chuck n Julius hold it down
Hate to say it but this he's right ^^
+37.5 over their last four games, even take out the 81 point win, +23.5
Speaking of the Willeton import.. .It's funny how some teams struggle for weeks to get someone cleared to play and Funches arrives like the night before a game and is cleared?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Agree!
The paperwork aspect of SBL is not that difficult as long as you are half organized.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Looks like the pecking order is starting to shape itself now as well.
Top 5 teams look a lock & hitting some good form.
A few teams will be battling it out for positions 6-10 & looks like Mandurah, Perth & East Perth are going to lose any hope of even giving the playoffs a sniff unless they can string some wins together ASAP.
D Scott shooting:
FIRST FIVE GAMES:
30/78 FGM/A 38%
14/41 3PM/A 34%
17.4 PPG
LAST FOUR GAMES:
44/82 FGM/A 53%
20/50 3PM/A 40%
30.25PPM
Most importantly though, his 3PA has gone up from 8.23 PA/PG to 12.5 3PA/PG. Tigers are riding his upturn in form and Bowie is playing his role in areas other than shooting.
redbacks and magic men. they are still alive and are still tough teams to beat. redbacks have vigor still to arrive and will be in the hunt for 7-8. the magic have been in every single game this year and will be tough to get over having some serious issues closing out games but , they will challenge for 7-8 as well. interesting fact have won only 5 of last 21 games .east perth done/Kalamunda done.
Adding big vigs will help but not sure it pushes them back into contention. Magic have a good top 4 or 5 players but it drops off steeply from that. If they had a bit more depth you might see them pushing up the ladder.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I don't think he will make that big an impact either.
From the few games i have seen Demuynck needs the ball in his hands at all times and to the point it has impacted the output of others and all the offense looks guard heavy orientated.
Lewis Thomas i very much doubt is going to take a back seat to Vigor as the primary big. The guy considers himself an NBL caliber player, so he wont want his numbers to drop off.
I'm suprised by the numbers Thomas is putting up.
Very good rebounding numbers but I thought he would be around the 20ppg mark or more. Shooting 30% from the field and 25% from 3 wasn't expected.
I dont think enough consideration is being given to Lakeside or Perry Lakes here
To say Magic and Redbacks will be challenging for 7-8 position without considering these other teams already a few games ahead might be a little premature
Over the next 2 weeks we will know for certain as Magic play Lakeside this weekend as well as Rockingham (should be a great local derby)
Redbacks play Rockingham this weekend and then face off against Magic the following weekend. That second game should be interesting because it could very well ruin one teams chances of getting a playoff position.
Hawks play Lakeside next week also which should be interesting given they are 8th and 9th on the ladder respectively with Lakeside playing one less game than Hawks to date. Lakeside beat the Hawks a few weeks ago after playing a zone for almost 3 quarters of the game which makes for another interesting dynamic.
The next 2 weeks will really say a lot about who vies for 7th and 8th and my take is that Hawks and Lakeside are not going to slide enough for Magic and Redbacks to be back in contention.
I went along to the Stirling Lakeside game over the weekend and was impressed with what I saw. Stirling clearly had the edge in composure and talent but if it wasn't for a 22-2 run to start the game the result might have been different.
Considering they lost Prue, Dixon and Jackson in one off season Lakeside are doing better than expected.
Hawks will need to get Hobbs back ASAP to stop the bleeding. Will be tough for them to make the top 4 now as predicted.
Keyboard warrior
Years ago
Hobbs got sent packing Hawks are bringing in a new import
Keyboard warrior
Years ago
Thats good news cause it would be totally classless act
I was also at the Lightning v Senators and it was a great game to watch. the 22-2 start for Senators was pretty incredible as their execution and decision making was off the charts
Credit to Lightning though who fought their way back into the game and drew level with the Senators before getting a few tough breaks against them down the stretch.
I was very impressed with Corey Shervill coming off the bench and hitting some big shots, coming up with some key blocks and doing a great job of defending Majstrovich down the stretch. Hayden Bell had a blinder of a second half too.
Of concern for the Lightning, Parkinson out with injury and Corey Martin seemed to be a non event. Lightning need production from these guys to win games like this.
The Senators had a great all round game from Lindbergh and Ellis was tough offensively. Witts hit some big 3's for them and Coburn also provided a lot of energy for them. Ash Litterick is nowhere near the level he was playing at last year under Lindstrom which was disappointing. He didnt look in as good a shape physically and was not as confident or aggressive.
I couldnt help but think if this team had Throns, N.Illiadis and Caleb Davis they would be next level tough.
The reffing by Hughes in the Stirling game was atrocious. Not ready to ref SBL.
Keyboard warrior
Years ago
The reffing period is atrocious ;) and Da Huzy already said that is good news Hobbs Top 3 guard in the league.
Anoneemoose
Years ago
There's a reason Hughes is known as mini-grist. The arrogance is off the charts for a ref with no clue about the game.
Jervis and Dech to debut for East Perth this weekend. Makes things interesting...
Tupea Williamson Korf Vague Jervis Osayande Donlagic
Farrison Hord
Years ago
^^ seems unlikely.
Jervis would now require clearance from Brisbane.
Dech has already been dealing with the red shirt situation, doubt he'll risk it again by toying with this eligibility.
I tend to agree it seems unlikely, but it was talked about on the Slam show.
WSBL - I heard a rumour last night that champion player Deanna ( doccy ) smith is done for the season with an Achilles injury.??
tarsha fletcher 6-8 weeks calf ? casey mihilovich 4 more weeks.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
^^ whoa. If the Smith rumor is true that could be a career ender & a real problem for the Hawks!? Can anyone confirm...
Can Kalamunda Men get their first win for the season this weekend?
R@ndom - what's going on with your column? Did you get censored last week with the Haney stuff? Come back!
R@nD0m
Years ago
No censorship hahahaha - I am in the first week of my new job / last week was in the final week of my old job so between tying up loose ends at the old gig, to learning the ropes in the new gig - along with coaching two WABL teams and all that comes with that, its been a bit hectic to say the least!
With any luck I will have something to A Bowler by Weds at the latest next week!
Anonymous
Years ago
Thank God you're still about. I only got 9 last week using my own judgement.
Highly unlikely that jervis will play for the eagles. What's the point?
Hehe
Thoroughly enjoying the dribble above and defence of Haney.
Where there is smoke there is fire they say.
Haney by all accounts played well as a player and happens to have African American friends?. Big deal. He's been investigated for these issues previously. Was Haney misheard on those as well?
'I would like to add that suggesting that Michael Haney is a racist is not only disappointing, but also 100% incorrect’
Do you know what? many are ‘disappointed’ that someone representing your club would come out and categorically lie and state the above. Save you huff and puff for your own fans and team.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Last weeks news. No fire left to stoke. Give up.
Vigor back in town. Will he debut this week?
Keyboard warrior
Years ago
Sunday and Jervis = no chance of playing
Salads Fan
Years ago
Good luck to the guys from "The Salads" who are on their way to Penang for the 2016 Penang World Hoops 3X3 Challenge on this weekend.
Go for it guys...
will the absence of these salads players from their respective SBL teams bear any impact on results?
Lakeside v Magic
Cougars v East Perth
Willo missing Cody would be the only significant difference for any of the 4 teams involved.
Anonymous
Years ago
Faarrrkk. Stirling women just scored 5 for the last HALF.
Must be an all time low. They were behind 40 to 46 at half time. Lost 45 to 80.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
I notice Daniel Munday was back with the Magic tonight against Lakeside, must be 10 or so years since he last played for Mandurah
koberulz
Years ago
Faarrrkk. Stirling women just scored 5 for the last HALF.I'm more surprised by the other numbers, honestly. Earlier in the season at Willetton, Stirling made a huge run in the fourth to salvage a 98-48 scoreline, so how they were within six at the half and how Willetton only managed 80 is beyond me.
Must be an all time low. They were behind 40 to 46 at half time. Lost 45 to 80.
*starts campaign to get all four Suns players nominated into the men's all-star game*
#BoatyMcBoatface
Weekend thoughts
Funches struggling in his first weekend starting. Tigers very clearly missing Cody's versatility defensively against Senators. Nice gutsy win over PL.
Rockingham losing two very winnable games against the lower ranked Redbacks and Magic. Mandurah picking up two massive wins showing they could make a push into the playoff picture.
Redbacks were always going to hit some shots eventually shooting 52% from 3 and making 19 3's. I would expect that to come back to reality but you never know. More balanced with Vigor back in the lineup.
Someone get Carlwell some more touches inside, 10 shots against a very small Willeton. Not enough
Kalamunda close to another upset, hopefully they get one.. Can they decide on a starting lineup soon?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Mandurah look like they might have found a rhythm as well. Coming away with two wins.
Makes their match up with Redbacks this week pivotal, as the winner may revive their playoff aspirations.
I cant help but think Suns are on the verge (even though i predicted a winless season). They'll have every chance against Perry Lakes this week.
Lucky Funches can shoot free throws
combined 2-21 from the floor this weekend for 9%FG
Makes sense though. With Cody Scott Bowie and Armour he is probably earning 9% of the salary cap!
With the league sending out confirmation to clubs over the weekend that the SBL will be moving to 40 minute games from next season, what changes do we all expect? Will it be good for the league?
not really a fan of this.
i assume the player fouls will also reduce to 5 in order to foul out?
lower scores will follow and less time for those playing bench minutes to get on court opportunities.
Yeah 5 fouls.
Pretty sure the main reason is for a more family friendly time slot.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
10 minute quarters sucks in NBL & it will suck in SBL.
Lower numbers per team & player stats wise. Reduces excitement if anything.
koberulz
Years ago
How does it reduce excitement?
It seems odd to do this now, rather than seven years ago.
Anonomouse
Years ago
So is the SBL now not a development league?
What is the rationale for this decision being made now, not 7 years ago as KR asked?
Will entry prices go down? Less game to watch, less time the Stadiums are needed in theory.
Salads Fan
Years ago
Congratulations to "The Salads" for finishing 4th in Penang 3x3 World Hoops Tournament Challenge. Getting through to the semi finals and only losing 2 games. The 2 Slovenian teams that beat them had 7 of their 8 players ranked 5th to 12th in the world 3x3 rankings. Not bad for 4 x SBL players that simply thought they'd have a go.
If you added 2 good imports to the salads lineup they would be a pretty good core unit in the SBL.
Seva, Pesava, Cody, Garlepp. Imagine adding an import combo like Quinn McDowell and Lee Roberts or even a Jordan Swing and Ray Turner to these 4. Would be a pretty exciting team to watch.
The Suns men again had a lead late in the 4th quarter this weekend and werent able to convert it to a W.
Does anyone have any insight into how/why they keep falling short?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Young team that hasn't learnt how to win.
The woeful shot selections doesn't help their cause in crunch time either.
Prior and McIlroy are experienced
Diaz and Horn have played upwards of 3 or 4 seasons now so have a level of experience
their imports in McGill and Marsili have played in other leagues
surely there is enough experience there to know what is required down the stretch?
Experience means jack when everyone's getting the same minutes. How demoralising that Horn who should be rewarded for being faithful to Suns despite Tigers advances, that he gets benched and reduced minutes to make way for a system that doesn't even work.
Wouldn't be surprised seeing him move to the Blue and White next year.
PS that 10 minute quarter thing is an absolute lie.
No it's not, SBL confirmed it over the weekend and notification was sent to clubs. Call BWA if you doubt it. 40 minute games from next year.
my 3x3 line up with current import crop would be .
holmen
manigualt
ellis
scott.
that would be a tough team to cover.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
100% 40 minute quarters will be implemented next year. Been official since before the Blitz.
Moving to 40 minute games is a terrible decision. With most teams playing starters upwards of 33-35 minutes it heavily reduces minutes for role players and worst still, the younger guys coming through...
Have a look at yourself SBL, you're a joke.
didn't a team from wa win the national 3x3 comp back in the day. does anyone remember . was it
steve Williams
cj Jackson
billy wade
vince Kelly.
is this correct I might be way off. I know steve Williams played and billy wade not sure about other two.
Anonymous
Years ago
Farrison, I bet the benchies are gonna get some minutes now. 40 min quarters!!
Finals structure has changed for next year as well
What changes are being made to the finals structure?
Agree with above, 10 min qtrs won't be a good change. An import in good shape will never need a sub.
Higher placed team will host game one and three, except where Goldfields and Gero are involved, the format stays as it is now
HoopScoop
Years ago
I think the SBL is the only league in Australia nowadays playing 48 minutes... it was bound to happen one day.
Red74
Years ago
SBL men is the only comp under FIBA rules in the world to play 12 min qtrs. NBA is the only other comp to play 12 min qtrs.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
10 minutes is still meh
Nothing worse than looking at statistical leaders & seeing the league leading scorer average 19ppg
Brings it down to 200 minutes a game. Imports will play 35-40 a game so there goes 70 minutes. Your best three aussies will play 90-100 minutes so that leaves 20-30 minutes that needs to be covered by the bench. A 7 man rotation will be all that is necessary, if not 6.
Interestingly, I think this makes the top teams worse and the bottom teams better. It makes depth less of an issue and could create chemistry issues.
Imagine Wolves next year with this roster. Hire Davis Evans Huntington Matacz Easther, that's enough players for a full team let alone rotating through the 4/5 spots. Maybe they lose players because they can't give minutes to all the stars they have.
I think Cody, Chan and Pesava would be a good solid australian core, through in a turner and hobbs and youve got yourself a team. Garlepp seems to suit that role off the bench anyway.
Well done to the guys, a great effort.
Michael Vigor slipped in relatively under the radar for a sneaky 14pts, 5rb on the weekend.
Redbacks beating a top 6 side without much to do.
Is it too late for them to make a run?
They have only played 9 games where most teams have played 11 or 12.
Does Vigor fill enough of the gaps for them to turn things around?
A big weekend for them with Stirling and Magic.
Hawks and Giants made their runs far later with worse records last year. Redbacks defiantly have a chance to ruffle feathers.
Don't sleep on em or Funches.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I still dont see Perth creeping into the 8 from here. Only 3 wins by Round 9/almost half way point of the season, is a big ask.
However, it is good to see Ben Smith producing consistent numbers from the bench. Seems much better suited to the role where he can check in & blaze away for a spark rather than hamper the starting unit.
I think with them only playing 9 games where most have played 11 or 12 keeps the door ajar. If they had played 11 or 12 and only had 3 wins then could be a different story.
If they keep winning, given they will even their games played out over the back end of the season they could very well be even with those teams a few wins in front right now.
Funches bricks in bunches, i dont know if he really helps the tiges
giants may be the team in danger, haney and franich must be due to play soon. I think with their current roster it isn't good enough to play finals .holmen and manigualt are absolute jets but the rest of the squad are questionable and inconsistent. I hope im wrong and I hope haney and franich play but not sure about them at all.
Bring back Mansfield
Radio show just isnt the same without him
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Let's all hear it for the Lakeside Chokers everyone! Hawks clawed their way back
Anonymous
Years ago
Lakeside have now a serious problem of closing out games, they have had numerous double digits leads and lost - a big concern.
Looks like Hawks and Redbacks are finding there grove, i would say the Giants would be lucky to keep their sport in the 8 over the next couple of weeks, just no depth, back court issues still there and no Haney or Franich in site, they are in trouble.
Interested in Jervis suiting up for the Eagles tonight against the Wolves
A big concern but not unexpected. They started two 18 year olds and give significant minutes to another two young kids. They'll learn with time.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Jervis beasting and feasting for EP. Dominating Kevin Davis
Anonymous
Years ago
Rhys Vague was having a great game too until his eyelid got split by Huntington's elbow!
Jim
Years ago
Watch out for the Eagles now. More additions to their starting line up on the way. Will play a big part in the rest of the season.
DaHuzyBru dont forget the first time Hawks played Lakeside this season they were up by almost 20 and 'choked' when Lakeside went to a zone
it might be a little ironic that it was the Hawks zone that had Lakeside strugging to score in the 4th quarter this time around
The SBL has always been a league of massive momentum swings. Being up 20 at times is as good as being up 5. Every team has the ability to make adjustments and players that can catch fire. It is what makes it a fun league to be a part of
Farrison Hord
Years ago
20 point turn arounds definitely don't happen all that offer, nor are a regular occurrence.
It's been crazy how many teams are resorting to a social league zone this season.
Is "the zone" officially back?
Farrison did you watch the East Perth v Geraldton Buccs grand final?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
And wasn't it terrible to watch!
Sure East Perth were the first to re-introduce the zone to the league, but that was 2 years ago & they were the only ones to even attempt it.
Perhaps over 50% of the league this season has now adopted some form of zone defense.
Anonomouse
Years ago
Teams have been playing zones for decades, maybe you just didn't notice.
Every single Team has zone and man defence and offences.
so on the topic of zones, who would you rate in your top 5 zone-busters over the years?
Very hard to only pick 5 but these are some of the names that came to mind
James Harvey
Stephen Black
Joe Nixon
Brad Jackson
Luke Payne
Quinn McDowell
Ryan Neil
Ryan Zamroz
Mathiang Muo
Drew Williamson
Jarrad Prior (going back a few years)
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Stephen Black in his hey day for Willetton was absurd(ly good). If my memory serves me correctly he rattled off a serious streak of 40+ point games at one point.
Ryan Neil also had one of the quickest & accurate 3 ball releases going around.
1- james Harvey
2- aaron trahair
3- ryan neill
4- brad Jackson
5- trian illiadis
also more important in a busting a zone is your point guard who can free these shooters up or find the big man at the right time. best passers ?
Joel Wagner lead the league in assists for many years so would have to be in that discussion
Shamus Ballantyne
Troy Clarke
Ryan Sofoulis
Damian Matacz is an exceptionally good passer from the post and around the elbows
Anthony Palmieri
Simon Blennerhasset
Adam Nener
Chris Dodd
Najee Lane, Michael Clarke and Josh Throns all to front a tribunal this week, all in seperate incidents
Throns is probably because he and Lacko go into it during the DLEAGUE game on Sunday. Was weird, and in reality pretty minor. Throns pulled his shorts down towards Lacko as if to moon him, still had skins on mind you. Lacko thought this was immature and got into it with the Stirling Coach.
IS THERE ANYWHERE THAT YOU CAN SEE WHO IS THE ALL-TIME LEADER IN ASSISTS . OR WHO HAS THE BEST AVERAGE PER GAME. STEALS /TURNOVERS ETC.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO RATE A GUARD BY ASSISTS PLUS STEALS MINUS TURNOVERS.
THIS IS A FANTASTIC WAY TO RATE YOUR GUARDS.
WAGNER VS CLARKE VS BALLANTYNE CAN ANYONE DO THE FORMULA AND SEE WHO IS THE BETTER.
anyone know why lane and clarke are fronting?
josh throns mooning a coach is pretty immature but letting it get under your skin enought to go at it and with the opposition coach and get reported might be a little unnecessary from Lako.
Obviously i say that without actually seeing how it all went down.
I went to the giants site easily the best web -site and checked out some guys who have played a lot of games 150+ . mainly checking up on shamus ballyntyne as article above mentioned.worked this out for giants players.
calvin earl 6.1
ballytyne* 5.3
miegel 3.7
Williamson 3.0
hulme 2.7
interesting
Speaking off assists and Forwards/Centers...M Haney averaged 4.3 in 141 games. One of the best passing bigs ive seen.
Week 10
SLAMMERS v Flames Slammers will stay close
WOLVES v Stirling Stirling has a chance
LAKESIDE v Suns Do the Suns finally get one?
COCKBURN v Magic Cougars need to bounce back
FLAMES v Gero Gero fresh will be enough
GIANTS v Eagles Will Jervis play ?
HAWKS v Redbacks Big games for FINALS
TIGERS v Magic Tigers will run them to death
REDBACKS v Gero Could be a close one.
Flames/Magic/Gero/Redbacks All playing Doubleheaders.
Amazing to me that Lane is fronting the tribunal for offensive language. He's like Kawhi Leonard on the court, you never hear a peep from him. Whatever happened, it was probably warranted.
SLAMMERS v Flames - Flames will win easily.
WOLVES v Stirling - Depending if the wolves have all their players, Stirling defence will struggle mightily.
LAKESIDE v Suns - Lightning taking the youth route now after a poor start, should still win
COCKBURN v Magic Cockburn win comfortably
FLAMES v Gero - Whoever wins the rebounds wins the game
GIANTS v Eagles - No Jervis GF to win, with jervis EP to win
HAWKS v Redbacks - Redbacks, vigor gives them great balance
TIGERS v Magic - Tigers by 20+
REDBACKS v Gero - Gero should get this by 15
Red74
Years ago
The ref who reported lane wouldn't have the initials MH would they?
Anoneemoose
Years ago
The most "beloved" ref of them all, shocking. MH is gunning for his spot though.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
It's either dismissed or a "suspended sentence" to follow typical BWA protocol...
this is a huge weekend for teams fighting to stay in the hunt for playoffs and some interesting storylines involved
Eagles with the injection of Jervis. Yes, you better believe they can still make the playoffs! Jervis is a complete game changer and if he is fit and available from here on out look for them to really climb quickly. They have 2 extra games to play than the current teams holding 6-8. You could argue that with Jervis in the lineup they could translate both of those spares to W's putting them only 1 win outside the 8.
Redbacks bringing in Vigor has really boosted them. Also have 2 spare games to play and only 1 win outside the 8.
Slammers and Lakeside both on 4 game losing streaks but also with the 2 extra games to play and only 2 wins outside the 8. If they can find some form, they are right back in the mix. If they lose these extra games they are both out of the race.
Giants on a 3 game losing streak. Very concerning as a number of teams look to be turning a corner
Magic in sporadic form but if they can find form they are a chance also.
Slammers v Flames in Eaton. Must win for Slammers
Lakeside v Suns at Lakeside. Must win for Lakeside
Cockburn v Magic. Tough ask for Magic
Giants v Eagles at Morley. Eagles win this and it really makes it tough for Giants to hang onto a playoff spot going forward.
Hawks v Redbacks. Massive game for both teams. Hawks playing 2 more games than Reds and only 2 wins in front of Reds.
Tigers v Magic. If Magic lose to Cougars and to Tigers I think they might be over run by other teams in the playoff hunt.
Redbacks v Buccs at Belmont on a Sunday. Both teams on short turnarounds. Bigtime boost for Reds if they can get up here.
Eagles AT Giants...get facts straight before posting your thoughts.
Why don't you point out the correction without being a dickhead? Get your attitude straight before posting your thoughts.
haha obviously touched a nerve getting the home and away teams mixed up for Eagles and Giants!
It doesnt matter where the game is played, if Jervis is there Eagles win.
Props to the SBL for the video promoting the SBL All star game. League is becoming more professional each year. Good luck to everyone this weekend.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Google maps has definitely come a very long way!
Hogwash
Years ago
Just based on the starting fives, the South should thump the North.
D Alexander should probably be starting for the South
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Alexander should definitely have been in prior to Hallice. But this kind of stuff happens when you leave it to a 'fan vote'.....just like the NBA.
Good example, Bryton Hobbs. Guy hasnt played all season and i doubt Perry Lakes would let him play even if he is due to comeback in the next fortnight. Not worth the associated risk
Oh well, fans are getting what they want I guess. American guys inflated the voting by sending back home to the States and getting the fam to vote too by the looks. Nichols has a huge following in social media, same with Bestry in the Women.
Assuming SBL go with players from each association in their selection, squads to look like?:
PG- Nichols/ARMOUR?
SG- Manigault/SETTY
SF- Lane/BOWIE
PF- Holmen/ALEXANDER
C - Hallice/C.LAND
PG- Hobbs/MCGILL
SG- Adekponya/DEMUYNCK
SF- Purser/ILIADIS
PF- Ellis /BARROW
C - Davis/VAGUE
I'm nit picking right now, Illiadas would be the PG/SG and Demuynck the SF haha. Field is MUST include for the South also. I would bump Setty for Field.
Word is Jess Van Shie returning for the Lightning tonight
Bestry has next to no social media following what are you on about?
are you mad your fav player didn't get all star?? ^^ diddums
So Kalamunda on the verge of a maiden win!!! Hope they get it, Hallice flirting with a TRIP DUB right now
Luuuc
Years ago
No flirting with a trip dub for Sami Whitcomb tonight. 55 points & 17 boards, but only 2 assists.
Weak.
Nick
Years ago
Hi, I am a Canadian guard I was just wondering if anyone has contacts with any coaches in the SBL league. I just finished playing in French league and was looking for a team in australia for next season. If someone could help me it woukd be kind to email me
[email protected]
Here is a little highlight video
Thank you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9tPQv4xGb4
Whitcomb certainly did ball out, even if it was against South West.
When was the last time you saw two guys from the same team register a triple double in the same game though?!
Hallice - 27/18/12 but had 7 TO and 7/18 FT
Martin- 10/14/10 but 8 TO
Suns hacking to send Hallice to the free throw line , that was how bad he was shooting, was 5/16 I think at one stage
Prior and Horn stepped up, but no defense was played at all. 3pt shootout.
You are a sad lot
Years ago
Wow.. Some of the Ppl on this forum are so idiotic. After reading the vitriolic crap you all wrote with so much enthusiasm about a certain men's SBL Redbacks coach, would it not be inappropriate to point out the excellent job he has done so far this season?
I guess it doesn't serve your hating ways but it would be fair wouldn't it?
And no this is not Nic please posting. I'm just saying if you are good enough to take a shit on the guy you should be good enough to acknowledge the good he has done thus far.
But keep hating, saying they don't make the 8. They do and you know it, barring something catastrophic and unforeseen.
Open your eyes, you are criticising a guy who has his team playing a new style of game and also playing some the of the best ball in the league right now.
Tom Jervis came off the bench over the weekend?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
No one has spoken about the Redbacks coach for weeks. If anything the last couple of posts have been positive that they are on the up. Back in your box.
Jim
Years ago
The Redbacks certainly played with a lot more intensity, commitment and basketball IQ than the Hawks on Saturday. Props to their coach. None to the Hawks coach though. You'd think that by this stage of the season his team would have learnt to get the ball into the post players in the right position and at the right time.
Vigor has re-in-vigor-ated the redbacks pardon the pun
they are on a roll and should make the 8. they have far less talent this season than last year so its interesting to see them playing better with less talent.
Im suprised we havent had much talk about the Suns men getting their first win on the weekend?
They beat the Lightning on their home court and only had one of their restricted players playing. Has Jacopo gone home?
Does this put Lightning out of the hunt now? they started out the season with a few decent wins but are losing games they should probably be winning recently.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I would agree that Lakeside appear done.
Young group just struggling to find their way at the moment. The role players need a fair bit more seasoning before they become as competitive as they would like.
Hogwash
Years ago
The loss of Prue cannot be underestimated. And not just for his rebounding.
Without Prue, Lakeside have had to recruit an import 5-man for the first time in many years, and in previous years their imports would have been a guard (i.e. Luke Payne) and a forward (i.e. Ben Beran).
mullenax seriously injured over the w-end . this will have a huge impact for Mandurah moving forward. they will need to replace him straight away.
Isaac
Years ago
Feel free to start specific round threads for the WA SBL if appropriate. Just make sure they're clearly labelled. e.g., "WA SBL 2016 - Round 8"
I think they thought Seva was going to be better than he has been and Martin probably also
To be fair, they also had Jesse Dixon commit to return and then change his mind right before the season so they probably felt their best shot was to recruit 2 bigs having these guys on board. Hindsight is always 20/20
If they can keep guys like Shervill, Grida, Bell, Vinci and co together for a few years they will develop into a strong Aussie contingent. Not to mention they have some other good juniors sitting in the wings coming through in 18's, 20's and D League
Regarding the Redbacks - yes they have strung some wins together and are playing some great basketball at the moment but this is the level they should be at given the talent on their roster.
I feel like they actually have just as much talent (if not more) than previous seasons and definitely have better balance through the line up. They should be a top 4 side at minimum.
2015 (top 7)
Turner
Tawhiti
Putney
Smith
Wagner
Johnston
Stephens
2016 (top 7)
Vigor -
Lewis
Demyunck
McConnel
Wagner
Smith
Insert role player / marshall nelson when returns
Vigor/Lewis/Demyunck is an upgrade on Turner/Tawhiti/Putney (despite Turner's MVP season) particularly regarding team balance and defence.
Smith has been outstanding since moving to a 6th man role in 2016 and is perhaps better suited to this.
McConnel, though not putting up traditional import numbers, is a solid team contributor and plus defender. An upgrade on Johnston (plus his added height is a bonus).
Wagner has been typical wagner but has been more efficient & shooting a better %.
Criticism of the redbacks (and their coach) in past seasons has been warranted given their underperformance with some very talented teams.
With this all in mind they are still only 8th on the ladder. This past weekend they beat a hawks team missing 3 starters and lost to a Gero side they really should be beating if they want to be taken seriously.
The ball is firmly in their court now - anything less than top 4 would be a disappointment in my books.
-look for Nelson to suit up for Redbacks this week, played D League yesterday
-Sunday Dech is back and was seen shooting with Vague earlier today, whether or not SBL affects his college eligibility, not sure
-Jervis will take time off at some point during the season, how many wins EP can get on the board now will determine post season chances, make hay while the sun shines.
lol sorry to be that guy but:
"Wagner has been typical wagner but has been more efficient & shooting a better %"
aren't those the same things...
Tigers playing enough basketball to get by but perhaps not enough to excite anyone? Depth is a concern but Johnson still to return. Still have to play Wolves x2 and Buccs away... tough asks for any team
Scott is stepping up but Bowie has completely changed his looks to accomodate this. Don't know how long the hot hand will stay warm
No efficiency is not just about shooting % ... Also incorporates his floor game - less turnovers, more steals and the general feeling that he does not need to 'force' things as much this yr with a more balanced team - spend time off the ball etc
Farrison Hord
Years ago
My understanding is Marshall Nelson WILL NOT be returning.
Can't see Perth making the top 4. Already a 3 game difference and teams above them will keep winning to keep them at an arms length.
History suggests you are pretty lucky to make the top 4 with 10 or more losses in the regular season.
"I feel like they actually have just as much talent (if not more) than previous seasons "
ahhhh no.
Ray Turner, League MVP. Far better than Vigor
Id take Tawiti over Thomas any day of the week
Putney v Demunyck would be a great debate. Putney probably didnt play enough games for us to really see his full potential.
McConnel is very average for a restricted player.
the rest of the players its not even close! AJ Johnston, Wagner, Smith, Stephens, Prior, Nikora
This year they have no AJ, Stephens, Prior, Nikora and instead been playing 16 year old kids!!! Under 18's kids, guys right out of D League.
Tawhiti was carrying injuries all last year and which significantly hurt his output. He is also extremely one dimensional and when paired with Turner, was simply not a good fit. Lewis has been far more productive this season that Tawhiti was last season and can stretch the floor and defend more mobile opponents.
Demunyck is averaging 27 points a game and is one of the better imports in the league. He is also a much better team fit as his shooting gives the bigs space to operate. The gap between him and Putney is just as much as the gap between Vigor and Turner.
McConnel is an average restricted player but is better than Johnston - much better defender and gives them versatility with his size.
As I mentioned before, both Wagner and Smith are better this year than last.
Prior was hurt last year and was essentially a non event.
The rest of the bench / supporting cast are not a huge factor ... everyone knows that in this league top end talent is what gets it done - you only need 7 good players to win (yes a deep bench is nice but not necessary).
Yes at the start of the year they were playing "16 year old kids" but that is because they didn't have their full team. What I am saying is that now they do have their full team, they have a more talented, balanced side than last year and should be aiming for top 4 (and by this I mean making semi finals as opposed to regular season top 4).
We never really saw the best of Putney.. Since leaving Redbacks he has been one of the best players in the NBA D League
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I believe all clubs & players chosen have been contacted. So not sure why they are delaying the announcement.
Word about is there will be a cash prize on the line for the winning sides? Can anyone confirm?
all star games are usually guys not playing any Defense and trying to pull off fancy plays (and failing half the time).
Hopefully a bit of cash on the line makes it more a realistic contest.
So whilst we await the official announcement of the full all star teams are there any players in the mens and the womens who have really had breakout years?
any that are suprisingly underperforming?
not all players have confirmed attendance. alla Lakovic 2015
R@nD0m
Years ago
Been flat out with the new job - hence why the column has been non-existent the past couple of weeks. Will have one for the website in the next few days... but to hold off the masses before then, here is a quick look at this weeks games:
Suns @ Perth
Kalamunda finally losing the goose egg, but more than likely to be severely undersized in this one. Spiders by 23
Wolves @ The Church
Lightning giving the Suns their first win last Sat night, and are in a world of pain for this one unless Sebba, Trian & K-Davis all get lost driving in a straight line down the Freeway... Wolfpack by 37
Eagles @ Willo
EP definitely a much different proposition with my boy Tommy J back in the lineup (Best of luck in brizzy too mate... I know you will kill it over there!) Tigers purely because its at their place, winning by 3
Buccs @ South Gero **Game of the Week**
Back to Back road trips for the Buccs could prove very taxing... Whilst even though they played the night before, a comfortable win should see the Wolfpack's stars well rested for this one. Wolves to keep their undefeated record at home alive... just, winning by 2
Cougars @ Kal
Giants on a four game losing streak and by the sounds of it no Franich for the season either taking on a Cockburn side looking to get some distance between them and the third placed Buccs. Cougars by 11
Magic @ East Perth
Major injuries to key starters for Mandurah will see them struggle now unless their relatively unknown bench can stand up. Eagles to split the weekend double, winning by 17
Slammers @ Stirling
South West struggling on the road this year, head to Warwick in desperate need of a win to break their five game losing streak. Can't see it happening however, as Cody and the Senators win by 15
Hawks @ Rocko
Hobbs still two weeks off is my mail... but that did come from one of the Hawks' Womens Assistant Coaches so take that with a grain of salt!! Flames by 4 in a close one
Buccs @ Shed in the Sticks
Both sides on back end of double headers, and Suns are a live chance in this if they can get their 3s going early. Buccs to scrape by with a 5 point win
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Travis McIlroy's player piece on the SBL website is a great read
^ I agree
I'm not a fan of the guy but good article. Well done to the SBL on getting out and giving good material to the fans
He hasn't been a very good pick up for the suns has he?? A 'shooting' guard that shoots ~30% from the field 25% from three and ~50% from the freethrow line?? Seems to turn it over a lot too?
He's not a great scorer but he is a decent bench role player. Decent defender, long and athletic.
His article was great, you may not like the guy but the work he does with WA youth is tremendous.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Travis is there more so as a role model, leader & to teach those kids the right way to go about basketball. Something he does very well.
If you get some good minutes out of him, then that's a bonus for Suns.
Two interesting articles this week either way.
Gotta feel for Lakeside. Chance to go up 7 against the Wolves with1:35 remaining, Hallice misses both FTs. End up losing by 1, Alexander playing out of his skin atm too. Could have been the game that gave them belief again. Different team with Chan back
Was watching the box scores on that wolves game. The foul count was 28 to 6 at half time... In wolves favour
Suns doing an absolute number on the Buccs right now. Carter Cook 5 fouls in 17mins, no Adekponya. Suns taken 30 more shots in two and a half quarters.
Suns playing good ball lately. Mandurah could be wooden spooners now
And like that the Tigers jump up to 3rd. Won 8 of their last 9. Should win their next 2 as well. sure they haven't played Joondalup yet but they might actually push into the top 2 by seasons end
Eastern Old Sun
Years ago
Carter Cook was tech fouled twice and then placed on report for putting his fist through something whilst going off in the changeroom after being ejected. New import for Suns,Courtney Belger was very good today after knocking off the game rustiness on Friday night.
Agree with Anon that Suns are playing good ball lately and could have some influence in determining who makes the 7th and 8th spots and hopefully not be wooden spooners.
poor halice, missing the free throws and then coming off maxwell way too far on the final play leaving him open in the corner for the game winner.
Alexander is a beast.
If lakeside got more production from their locals they would be really tough to beat. Chan, Martin, Parkinson, Bell, Grida, Shervill have all been wildly inconsistent. You would expect a little more from Chan, Martin and Parkinson given they have some experience
Oatman has done a great job with a team that lost Prue, Jackson and Dixon in one hit. Probably a good 800+ SBL games of experience there. It was bound to happen at some point so at least they can now begin building their next core group of players.
Weekend takeaways
Giants going down by 20 in Hurst 200th game. They started Hurst and went big with no real perimeter threat. Resulting in 2/17 from 3 pt territory. Wonder if they only started him because it was his 200th.
Very rough weekend for the Buccs, no Adekponya and they struggled big time. Down 20 at quarter time to the wolves and the loss to Suns hurts. He has been good for them for the past couple of years but I think if they don't make the GF this year look for Cook to be replaced next season.
Sunday Dech returns for the Eagles and with him and Jervis coming off the bench gives them serious depth. Depending on availability and chemistry expect them to rise up the standings.
Still can't figure out what type of team Stirling are. Will they be with the Cougars and Wolves at the top come seasons end? Or in the middle of the ladder with the Redbacks and Hawks. They need to string some wins together.
When does Hobbs return? Hawks could drop out of the 8 without him returning this week against Willeton.
Suns getting another big win, huge for the young club. Squire with 31 points 6 rebs 5 asts 6 steals. New import Belger had a decent first weekend.
with the giants starting hurst ! I don't believe haney would have started him because it was his 200th. he is in there best 5 players .
it is a good starting 5 to be honest with
1. goodluck
2. manigualt
3. holmen
4. hurst
5. zunic.
they would be getting desperate for a win.as far as their perimeter game goes it is not strong anyway and is a guess what they will shoot from out their each week regardless who starts.
the buccs need to be better than what they were on the w-end , all top teams can cover at least one of your stars. wolves do regularly, cougars have had guys outrecently , tigers the same , it is an excuse . they should have never lost to the suns.
carter cook will stay with the buccs and become naturalised im guessing.
eagles will continue to win - sunday dech is a jet, jervis is so intimidating in the SBL it is ridiculous, and don't underestimate how valuable jo-allan tupea is. he is in really good knick as well , he looks as fit as he has been throughout his career.
the suns I think may have enough confidence moving forward to get themselves off the bottom of the ladder. it looks like between the suns,slammers and magic they may be fighting it out.
a really bad loss by the slammers on the w-end , they are really struggling away from home and are so reliant on Nichols I cant see them winning many more games unless tre has a night out at some stage. well done to the senators they are really making some noise and are dangerous on their night.
heard from a solid source that taylor mullenax is done for the season with a fracture in his ankle , with that news coach kyle needs to shuffle his squad around and find something within .
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Ouch, no Mullenax means Mandurah are all but over in 2016.
Setty cant carry an entire team, Remmerswaal is on his last legs seemingly and guys like Florence and Jackson have simply under performed.
Buccs are every season an injury to a starting player away from a disaster. Adekponya is clearly a vital piece this season & they were exposed this weekend!
Kalgoorlie are in dire straights. The lineup is just to thin & there isnt any adequate support for Manigault & Holman.
Great analysis posts from everyone!
How are we all feeling about the final all star rosters?
Anyone notable missing?
Could argue Armour over Scott from Willeton. Wags?
Anonomouse
Years ago
Cassir being out for PL shouldn't be forgotten. Tough defender and additional ballhandler.
Carwell for PL is the biggest ommission IMO. Should replace Evans.
Anonomouse
Years ago
My last post was in general, not for the All Star Team.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Bobby Evans definitely a shock inclusion IMO.
Credible season, but not all-star level.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Cassir heading for another round of knee surgery, hasn't been the same since his original 2014 knee injury
The only reason Evans is in the team is because Ettridge is coaching. No other reason. There is a handful of guys that should have made the team over Evans
Anonomouse
Years ago
Yeah Rob had started having issues with his "good" knee. A real shame.
Flames vs Redbacks: Very interesting game with two similar lineups. Two good bigs on each side and decent shooting around them. Will probably come down to home court and the coaching, if Flames sit in a zone and deal with Smith on the arc, Flames win.
Suns vs EP: EP should win, but suns are rolling with a new import and their 3pt shot dropping at a half decent clip. Danger game for every team now.
Buccs vs Giants: Buccs win, if Adekponya plays its a 20 point win, if he doesn't its a 5 pt win.
Hawks vs Tigers: Carlwell to get 20/20 but Willeton win comfortably.
Wolves vs Magic: 30+ win for wolves.
Lakeside vs Cougars: Depending on which lightning team shows up, it could be close, but expect Cougars experience to get them over the line. Who guards Alexander?
Stirling vs Slammers: Slammers a different team at home and will be much more competitive. Nichols vs Rowe would be a fun watch but Stirling should win comfortably.
Anonymous
Years ago
Interesting Lineup for the 3pt Shoot out?
No Gavin Field, Aaron Ralph, Damien Scott or Ryan Godfrey????
Jayden Coburn added to the North roster all Star game.
No Drew Williamson? No Tim Squire?
who picks those players anyway. weird selection in the womens too
Anonymous
Years ago
Was thinking Bell especially, not in top 20 for 3pt made & shooting 29% maybe they pull them out of a hat?
Jim
Years ago
Crazy selections that discredit the "Allstar" tag. If I was a genuine allstar I wouldn't want to play alongside Bell of Coburn. Not those boys fault, they didn't pick themselves.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Willetton Tigers for Most Overrated Team of the Year. They were manhandled by a Hawks squad down Hobbs, Cassir and Hickert. They are too small and weak inside, Carlwell and Sellers dominated Funches, Johnson and Cody. Good perimeter D also easily disabled Bowie, Scott and Armour
Bobby Evans really earning his all star nom today
Sorry overrated by who exactly...you?
I don't think anyone has been hyping them up, they've been under the radar same as Cockburn. All the hype has been about EP and Redbacks now that they've been making runs. Stirling preseason with their signings. The guys on SBL Slam have been giving the Tigers credit where it's due, but not saying outlandishly that they're Championship prospects..
Perry Lakes strung together a very solid game from the beginning no doubt. Will be interest dynamic when Hobbs comes in and Sellers goes out. Much smaller bench all of a sudden.
Jim
Years ago
Can Sellers go to another club when Hobbs is back or is it past the deadline?
Southwest, Lakeside and Goldfields seem to be out of the mix now after 6 and 7 losses in a row. East Perth and Perry Lakes to battle it out for the 8th spot, which will be an interesting fight depending on when Hobbs is back and the availability of Jervis.
Redbacks might jump as high as 3rd if Stirling and Rockingham drop more games and Geraldton and Willeton struggle. Going to be a good run to the finals.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Thoughts on All-Star Monday?
I feel they got it right with Wischer & Lane as match MVP's
Who won the men's 3pt contest? BWA a bit slow on the Facebook page, still no word on the shootout and that Lane won MVP
i didnt get to the game but a few people have said it was run really well and raised about $35k for charity
Great result
some said the mens game wasnt as good as last year where Swing and Nichols were going off but that it was still entertaining
35k to charity was a really good outcome, less than last year but the event was run way better. Lots of stuff for the families, face painting, fairy floss, bouncy castles. Credit to BWA and Adam for trying something different. Lights and music were good.
Women's game was a little more competitive, but the South Men were so much fun to watch. From the get go they were gelling and horsing around during warm ups as if they all had played together before. Heaps of dunks and alleys, and I thought a fun atmosphere for a good cause. Hopefully next year it gets a bit more media coverage and maybe televised too, at least on a YouTube channel
Beau Samuelson has quit the Buccs to stay in Perth. Big troubles for the Buccs at point guard now
koberulz
Years ago
The three-point shootout needs work, though. At least let them warm up: the only decent scores were posted either in the second round or by players who'd participated in the game.
And Deanna Smith wasn't even close to being behind the line on any of the shots she took from the top of the key. Not that it would've made a difference.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
^^ I agree.
I understand they had time constraints being at half time, but 3 racks seems incredibly short winded.
the buccs will sort something out without samuelson. he has been inconsistent all year. I like the kid as a player but they can still use wrensted and young alex ducas a bit. trahair may use akepondaya as well who knows only time will tell.their bench is becoming skinny as well that is more of a worry. stoveld left as well , know samuelson. ?? cmon buccs.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
As i mentioned in a post earlier - the buccs are always an injury away from disaster.
Clearly cant get by without Adekponya and no Samuelson is going to pose a clear issue.
Strange they claimed an inability to secure work as a contributing factor. I would have thought the Buccs would have been all over that.
apparently the lack of work availability was a factor in Stoveld leaving also
Master Debator
Years ago
Stoveld disagrees I think he had a little comment to the Buccs article sayin interesting wording???? The plot thickens
By the looks of Adekponya's comment Stoveld just up and left the team without warning.
apparently when recruiting Stoveld the Buccs said they would help find him work which didnt happen
moving to the country with no income source isnt really feasible to sustain and not a fair proposition to expect a young kid to fend for himself in a town where he knows nobody
Stoveld may not have left the right way which is why there may be some tension there, and part of the reason Carter Cook got ejected during the Buccs v Suns game after making inappropriate comments to Stoveld during the game
Samuelson is a polite young kid so probably went about things differently and probably leaves on reasonable terms.
This could be a lesson for the Buccs in not making promises you cant keep.
Samuelson was serviceable however the real damage is done to the depth. It means Wrensted now has to start leaving their guards stocks on the bench extremely thin.
They probably need to continue to start Ralph with Wrensted of the bench and Adekponya starting PG. Down to a very short 7 man rotation for the rest of the season.
Madison was offered a job at local white good store in which he turned up to the job interview in board shorts and thongs. During the interview he was asked how long he planned on being in Getaldton for which he replied with " if the wildcats ring me tonight im off tomorrow"
if the wildcats called him the world would end cause he is not of any calibre of even being on an sbl starting list.
Show initiative begin working with indigenous children for Midnight Basketball or something like that, focus on working with the Buccs to get out to schools who work with the government and Bartlett runs the indigenous programs for kids up there. Run some clinics for young players after school and charge a fee, private coaching.
The young players of today think things will be handed to them on a silver platter and have an unrealistic view of their overall skill set. Its quite sad actually. The buccs are a great organisation and are respected highly around the league because of how well they run the club, they have a crazy following of people and there is a reason for that.
Joseph Bertallini has put hours upon hours helping players out in finding work and caring for them, and works tirelessly to make sure the players are taken care of. The fact those kids even got a place to stay for such little return as their numbers are sub par at best. They should feel lucky to even be given a free accomodation house. Go on centrelink and get money that way to survive, learn and work hard on court and keep trying to find little ways to make money on the side until u can get a job.
If the story is true about getting the job at Mitchell and Brown and he rocked up in Board Shorts and thongs then i sincerely feel sorry for the Buccs organisation for even thinking he was worth bringing him up here.
Wroe vs Land PG match up this weekend will be fun to watch. Could be more steals + fouls than points between the two.
Master Debator
Years ago
I would rather watch Paint dry however the Professor vs Perth kid I will pay for
is it just me or has wroe been largely underwhelming this season for an NBL player?
9.8ppg, 3.3rb, 4.7as, 3.1 TO, 1.0st per game.
Comparing this to someone like Kyle Armour
18.3ppg, 4.4rb, 4.5as, 2.6 TO, 1.5st per game.
Evan comparing him to Daniel Thomas who many would say is now past his prime and not the same since he tore his achilles a few years ago.
10.4ppg, 2.6rb, 4.4as, 1.5 TO, 0.8st per game.
Young Ben Ironmonger
10.2ppg, 4.1rb, 2.9as, 1.5 TO, 1.4st per game.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Wroe is never going to put up big points, but he is a strong point guard who passes well and is a good playmaker. He only averaged 13 ppg last year in the QBL. I personally like Wroe, he's a Brad Robbins type - strong body, limited offensive game, but good at running the show
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I don't like Wroe at all (as a player not as a bloke). Failed to live up to Adam Forde's incredibly pumped up pre-season hype that he was going to "take over the league".
Every head to head match up he has had against an opposing teams PG he has been chewed up & spat out.
Wildcats would be better served investing time & money into another east-coast alternative in my opinion.
His numbers are fine, he's been in and out of the line up too. He plays super hard defense and runs the point well. A concern is his TO numbers almost as many as assists a game. Fits well with that team though who has enough offensive fire power.
Probably not going to be setting the world on fire in the NBL.
if wroe is a good playmaker and great passer why does he only average 4.7ass and have 3.1 turnovers per game?
granted he isnt much of a scorer he would have to have much higher numbers in the other categories for it to even begin to pay off
if you get similar or better production from guys who are not NBL standard, well past their prime or just young kids its hard to justify forking out $$ or having him on your NBL roster?
instead of investing time in other east-coast alternatives why not invest in kids here!?
Trian Illiadis is 10 times the player Wroe is.
22pts, 4 reb, 4 ass 3 steals and 2 turnovers per game
cant even get a look in.
Gavin Field is 10 times the player Eric Burdon was last year.
Why are we so enamored with east coast products for the 9/10 roster spots in our Wildcats team when we have far far better players sitting right here ???
I don't believe Field has any interest in the NBL anymore.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Real shame to hear Ben Ironmonger has done a knee and out for the season.
Fortunately Wolves will be able to cover the loss, but disappointing for a young talent none the less.
When you look at all the sub par talent that is getting gigs in the NBL ofcourse there is room for Trian and Bobby.
That being said I do understand majority of the time the DP role is slim pickings and usually for the guys who dont hold full time jobs etc and have the time to commit to the NBL schedule. Its not always based on best talent, more on available talent.
I dont agree with the few posts of Bobby being held back because he is not being able to guard at the NBL level?
Talk of guarding Prather and the likes, everyone has trouble with Prather.
Field is likely a 15min NBL player he is not going to be going head to head with NBL star imports for 40mins.
Crazy to expect that!!
Field is extremely solid SBL defensively guarding 1-5 spots, I realise NBL is a different ball game but he will easily hold his own in 10-15min reduced roles.
He is lightly framed but very long with great timing and court spacing.
That is the problem with Perth Wildcats they have 1 x West Aussie (Hire) on the roster (not including DP's)!
Trian and Field easily the 2 best Aussie SBL players by some margin, so why arnt they on the Wildcats squad?
Hell that's assuming they are even interested!
What was posted above regarding Field was straight from Adam Forde on the radio show on why Field never made the roster.
He basically said incredible talent but unfortunately due to his frame he couldn't guard the bigger bodies in the NBL.
Anoneemoose
Years ago
You also need to remember that Forde is the champion of Vague, who plays the same spot as Field. He has a bias there. Same with Dech over Trian etc.
Master Debator
Years ago
Its all about connections and who you know just like most things in life.
Forde can only get them a foot in the door, you are kidding yourself if you think he would put less talent into the Wildcats program. That is what the cats care about the most. Talent
Farrison Hord
Years ago
If they are about talent then please explain Drake U'u & Erik Burden....
Ever think that trian and gav didnt want to be a DP cause you dont get payed for a whole year and dont have the time to work with the amount of training and commitment to cats games event promos and all of that
Farrison, what are you judging those two players on? Their production in very limited minutes, cold, off the bench in junk mins for the cats? U'U got a little more opportunity and while he didn't set the world on fire, I guarantee you he produced more than Trian would at the PG spot. In those bench spots you have to be elite at certain areas, Burdon is a lights out shooter and U'U held his own defensively against the bigger PG's in the NBL.
start a new link if you want to talk about the wildcats. its about playing a role. obviously illiadis and field don't suit perth wildcats. they are A grade players who may suit another franchise.
cmon buccs
Rhea 42
Years ago
Does anyone know where u can watch sbl games online
Anon
Years ago
Who are the best under 18's players who are going to contribute next year at SBL? We already know about Kyle Bowen but any other names out there?
koberulz
Years ago
What's the status of Kelly and Tomlinson for the Tigers women?
Jim
Years ago
What's going on with the Hawks? Smash Willeton one week and then get beaten by Slammers - who scored 116 against them. A team with potential but so inconsistent. They would want to redeem themselves against the Wolves on Sunday or the dark shadow may appear.
Red74
Years ago
Anyone at the slammers - hawks MSBL game? Vlad Alava wrote an article on the game for Sbl.asn.au saying there were some controversial no calls in the fourth......
wow big news with J Hussey getting the call from Gero. He's a big up from Samuelson. If Adekponya is healthy, then they'll be back to a top 4 squad
Teammates with Kenny Manigault last year too at U Pike.
Hussey changes that gero team bigtime. if he sticks around for the rest of the season it improves their title hopes.
Lakeside on a 9 game losing streak. This was not expected after a promising start to the season. With Flames at home and Joondalup away they are in danger of turning this into an 11 game losing streak if guys like Seva Chan, Corey Martin and Tom Parkinson dont step up.
Hawks are an enigma. Hard to know what team will show up each night.
Tigers look good under Stephen Black. They seem more cohesive and together. Pity Funches isnt as good as the hype. If they had a better second import they would be legit title contenders.
The biggest suprise of the weekend was the hiding the lakeside women inflicted on the Tigers friday night. I know the tigers were not at full strength but they still had more than enough talent on the floor to get the job done, let alone get blown out.
Yeah with Hussey you expect Buccs to be back in 3rd position by the end of the season.
Couple tough games for the flames, losing two in a row and dropping to 7th. Would be very glad East Perth split the weekend or would be worried about them.
Willeton are up and about, but I think they will only go as far as the match up takes them in the finals. If they come up against Cockburn/Gero they might be ok, but if they face a big team like the redbacks they could struggle inside.
good work by the buccs organisation. im sure aaron trahair has more contacts then you can imagine in Australian basketball. they are in the mix.mandurahs trevor setty university of pike graduate as well as Kenny maniguault
WSBL a raffle at the moment. does ibekweye qualify she was injured before she came out to Australia I believe.still rocko vs tigers.
Marcus Goode with a huge 35 and 20 game against Tommy J. Impressive!
I dunno about easily? He's played 1 and they have 8 to go. So must play every game for the rest of the season to qualify.
R@ndom: Surely Mansfield deserves a little credit for COTY in the womens? Taking a 1-21 team to 5th spot on the ladder so far.
Greeny
Years ago
I'd have to agree with above, Mansfield would be favourite for COY.
Friday already had a top side, but the improvement in Lakeside has been outstanding.
I would also consider Alexander ahead of Land in the MVP voting. Better in almost every category.
Great article though!
I would say the COTY in the women will be tight . Friday,parker,petrick,jackson,mansfield.
there is so much more to play out in this season.
my tip is Friday. that squad lost around 5 quality players in the off-season and he has only added wischer. both parker and petrick have kept there teams in the top 3 despite having a depleted line-up for quite a few games , Jackson cant be left out. Mansfield had a decent core group when he got there , they were ravaged with injury last season and no imports as well hence the one win. they nearly won the GF the year before . they have added exp in van schie and 2 imports suprise I don't think so. good luck to them all.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Whilst Mansfield has done a great job with the Lakeside women's program, as I said in the article in all reality the Wolves women should be undefeated had it not been for Sami's brilliance - and if they were surely there would be no question as to whether or not Friday deserved to be favorite for the Award. You could sit here all day arguing the pro's and con's of why I chose player/coach A over player/coach B, but it gets you nowhere and is also a big reason why hardly anyone write's anything for Adam or the SBL page because you get Keyboard Warriors on here who bravely post as Anonymous knocking every post you write for not selecting their favorite over whoever the author has posted about. I have no problem with being criticised but at least have the courage to put your name to a post - Everyone knows who I am if not go back, read the article and look at the name at the bottom of it!
Anon 198 - I agree and I too am a massive fan of Alexander, as he is one of the most accurate and efficient imports we have in the League this year (And his beard game is remarkable!!) I just look at what Cooper brings to his team outside of stats and that's the reason I gave him the nod... Could I be biased because I see most of the Flames games - sure. Does Alexander have a legitimate case for that spot - absolutely. Like I said just my opinion but I do appreciate the constructive feedback and comments about the article :-)
No doubt Friday is a worthy winner. Anonymous or not, respectful discussion is great for the league! Keep the articles coming!
Farrison Hord
Years ago
If Cody Ellis wins MVP i will swim to England.
With Perth winning games Demuynck's stock will begin to rise.
Najee Lane has had a noticeably good season.
Adekponya could have a strong case with already 12 wins on the board for Geraldton.
There has also been no one really to take votes from Cooper Land in Rockingham.
Womens COY is an open contest. Friday should definitely be commended for wolves great season, but Lakeside (Mansfield) and Perth (Horwood) probably could state stronger cases having been no where near playoff contention in 2015.
With Mansfield getting some consideration for COTY, Schwagmiyer probably should get some MVP love as well. Not many people to steal votes there.
Why would you compare Lakeside womens in '16 to '15? No imports vs 2 imports, of course your going to improve
Lightning and Redbacks both brought in talent, hence they improved, that's not COTY
Agreed with Random, Friday will win. 1 loss (although no Tigers games yet, plus got Flames without their star bigs) hard to go past. Petrick openly paces his team for finals, so he's out; and Parker will lose more this year than last, so he's out. Lightning and Redbacks improvement has more to do with $ spent than coaching, so they're out. CJ's the dark horse, but they'll lose too many games. Who's left but Friday?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
how is not bringing in good talent not attributing to good coaching? Its extends past just x's and o's on the court. getting in new personnel to buy into a new system isnt always guaranteed to work with the level of success Lakeside or Perth have had
Anonymous
Years ago
Farrison is clearly from Lakeside or Perth - maybe they are even Mansfield! Friday should be COTY by a long way
Farrison Hord
Years ago
i never said Friday shouldnt be coty.
my opinion is simply based on looking on improvement from the previous year. logic tends to go with the best performing or top placed team, but it doesnt always go that way. i have no affiliation with either club for the record
Farrison, really?
Lakeside 14 - 2 imports = 2nd
Lakeside 15 - 0 imports = last
Lakeside 16 - 2 imports = 5th and COTY?
someone's been listening to 'lakeside radio' too much lol
Lost players from the 14 team. Predicted to finish outside the top 8 in 16.
Impressed with what the Wolves have done so far, but I don't expect them to remain top once Willo/Flames are full strength. Don't expect them to make the GF either.
Mansfield should be COTY and Personality of the year
Anonymous
Years ago
womens coty- friday or petrik
mens coty- ellis or parsons
womens mvp- williams
mens mvp- lane
personality of the year- r@ndom
sami whitcomb is the MVP . has carried this team the whole year without a full squad. no-one will take any votes off of her. is streaks ahead of all of them including Williams. full stop.
womens COTY - Craig Mansfield
mens COTY - Mike Ellis
MVP MSBL - Gavin Field
MVP WSBL - Alsion Schwagmeyer
Personality - Travis Young
Most Improved MSBL - Tim Squire
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Surely could have a mild revamp of some of the end of season awards.
Would be great to see a 6th man of the year award as well as an All-SBL second team.
6th man of the year would be good
also a defensive player of the year and all defensive team
I think it would also be interesting to see a player voted MVP much like they do in the AFL.
MVP selected the usual way. But a player voted "best player" each season would be awesome. Shows who the players rate as the best not just who is the most valuable because of the situation with their teams.
Agreed - I think it would help separate guys like Field and Illiadis who would never normally win.
a player voted award might also help cover gross oversights by the league like where in 2014 Quinn McDowell lead the league in scoring ave 32ppg, lead the league in 3pt %,in Free Throws made and also averaged 10 rebounds a game. Probably one of the best players the SBL has seen in recent times, yet got no recognition from the League he completely dominated.
He was not named league MVP, nor was he even named in the League All Star 5.
Everyone on here said it was because the Tigers that year werent a playoff team however the following year Ray Turner wins league MVP while Redbacks miss the playoffs.
having a player voted award could help acknowledge players like this who for some reason dont get it from the League.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Ray Turner probably was the best import the league has seen in recent memory to be honest though.
Understand your point but
If Willetton W over Wolves, I wanna hear ALL you sucker MCs apologise for doubting Ma boys Aiight?!
Big if there my friend. Wolves have the guard stocks to cover Damo and KA. But they crush the tigers inside.
My god they are laying on this whole Eastern Suns thing very thick aren't they?
Master Debator
Years ago
Why did they make it seem like Clarke was head coach at VCU lol
Really?
We absolutely smash the suns for the past 5 years for being horrible and not having any real prospect of developing into the future. And now they seem to be on the right track with decent marketing, good juniors and a committed coach and you wankers want to jump on them for that as well?
Get a life.
They are allowing kids to play all the same minutes and make everyone feel good about themselves (not realistic) whilst in the mean time they are allowed to jack up shots at will even when very few have any kind of skill set at all to allow them that. That is not developing anything but bad habits. They over dribble and simply just rush through offences. How is this preparing them for any level above the SBL?
Defensively they over play defence that gets broken down in a split second by any decent team with any kind of guard who can dribble around a defender. It is a layup drill for any decent team.
I wish the suns all the best and good on them for putting there hand up and being in the spotlight for what ever reasons publicly.
it has been layed on thick however, lets here about some other people from other clubs.
some east perth stories - narelle henry- joe allan!!! .Damien matacz just played 300, aussie bruton ,ebony Antonio playing afl as well, big ben smith Mandurah former AIS , college . ryan petrick going for 3 in a row,tre nicholls, john triscari .
keep up the good work SBL.
What are the focal points of a coach of the year?
Ability to recruit?
Ability to take average ballers further than expected?
Ability to handle a team full of good ballers?
Win/Loss record?
How are we picking COTY award so to speak?
Anonymous
Years ago
Technically WE don't pick the COTY, other coaches from around the league do.
aaaaayyyHEYYY WE DEM BOYZ!!!! I told all of y'all. Don't sleep on Tigers or Julius Bowie or my boy Chuck Funches man. Cmon bruh, we ain't playing no more! Don't gimme any of that Iliadis or Davis nonsense either...
Splatt
Years ago
Talk normally and people might take you half serious.
Ah ok you don't want to acknowledge the wolves were without their two best players.
Cougars will bring the Tigers and that muppet above back down to earth tonight
Tigers deserve a little credit. Foul count was like 20-10 at half time in Wolves favour. Some dismal reffing. Tigers were down by 15 at the half. Josh Johnson ejected in the second half and at least 3 technicals on Tigers, only one on wolves in a little push a shove. Funches fouled out. Most tigers players on 5 fouls by the end of the game. In the past Willetton would have packed it in and gone home but they stuck it out for once. People have said they are over rated but since they are exceeding expectations i reckon they are quite underated really. Wolves are the favourites, with their roster they should be able to close out a game like that. Even with Iliadis and Davis out they are so deep
Jim
Years ago
Well done Cougars, you've persuaded the Willeton Muppet to STF up for another few days at least.
Cougars to the top of the ladder and Suns off the bottom
Bunbury 4 imports and cannot beat a dismal Eastern Suns team. Shame
Funches would have to be the worst import in the league.
Any more insight into Josh Johnson ejection?
I saw that 5 players from Lakeside got fouled out in their clash vs the wolves the next night. Wolves must be playing an aggressive style of basketball to get this many calls on their opposition.
Suns first back to back wins in years!
Magic had a new player on the weekend and put up decent numbers, albeit in a loss to the Suns.
Anon
Years ago
How about Gero with 17 fouls in the 4th versus EP? EP with 3 fouls, Gero with 4 offensive fouls in the last 4 minutes alone.
Wolves with 17 fouls in the 4th on Friday night too after 14 in the first 3. Willo with 37.
Whats going on?
what happened at the Joondalup vs Willo game for josh to get reported?
Anon
Years ago
Points of emphasis? Nice nothing response.
Pity those POE are ignored by the refs 80-90% of every game as a regular thing.
Anon
Years ago
Morgan Hughes happened for Josh to get reported. At some point that ego maniac needs to be told to go away and stop screwing up SBL Games.
who has the biggest EGO in the SBL Ref department? this ought to be interesting.
How long have you got??
Hughes
Grist
Throns
Lyons
Campbell (Bret not the younger one)
Any more to add?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Agreed. Morgan Hughes is shocking. Followed by Grist.
Bit stiff throwing Campbell in the mix. Hard nut but he tries to do the right thing most times.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Always an interesting subject but lets be honest, how many pundits on here have actually blown a whistle in a competitive game before let alone at a decent level such as WABL or SBL, and not required a fresh pair of underwear afterwards. Its a tough gig and the pay doesn't make up for the abuse they cop week in and week out - Think about it, every call they make usually one team won't be happy about it... you really are in a no win situation. And on the rare occasion where both teams / coaches think you got it right, there is always some uneducated punter in the crowd who thinks his background of div 5 runner up at Courtside Canningvale is education enough to let you know you in fact didn't make a good call and he thinks your an 'insert rude adjective' idiot.
That being said I think once the likes of Campbell, Houghton & Bull retire, there is going to be a significant drop in the referee ranks when these three do retire as the next level is your Diconzas x 2, Grist, Bird, Byrnes etc. I won't bag out any of the refs purely because I know most of them really well, especially most of the Panel 1's at the moment. Do they make mistakes, sure... Do the likes of Grist and S Diconza have egos - Yes - but they should as they have always been at the front of the pack for the age in terms of refereeing and have subsequently become proud of that fact.
I find it hilarious that people criticize Campbell on here for his ego - here is a guy who has ref'd for well over a decade at the top level in our Country (And probably internationally... someone can confirm that) and been arguably the best ref in our state for quite a large majority of that time too. Does he have an ego/attitude - yes... but unlike some of the younger crew coming through players can actually talk to him, houghto, bully etc without being told to shut-up or copping a tech - on the proviso you actually give them some respect when you do it (If you're a rookie then just enjoy getting your two mins court time and don't be a clown)
These days you have your borderline Panel 1s / firm Panel 2s who have no communication skills, demand respect regardless of their limited experience and who are only ever told positives from ref coaches. Gone are the days when the likes of Syd Stephens or Libby in her evaluating days used to tear strips off a ref if they justifiably did an ordinary job. Now its all cotton wool you're doing great don't worry about a thing - which I can guarantee is not what the likes of BC, Houghto & Co were NOT bought up on.
The proof of this is who was the last ref from our state to get a gold medal game at a National Championships?! If we could teach our future Panel 1s the art of communication (Not a conversation, just the ability to explain to a player or coach the reason why you made a call without the imminent threat of a tech or smart ass answer) and also just some basic understanding of the game (Use HUDL... watch how the teams you are going to be refing play the game, their style, physical nature etc) I think it would not only make better refs in this state, but also a far better League in general. Two of the best young refs we have in this state at the moment are Scott Campbell (Not surprisingly, Bret's Son) and Zac Bosnakis - Both joondalup refs but more importantly refs who understand the game, communicate very well and despite their rapid movement in the referee ranks, still have the courage to admit when they have made a mistake or not seen something. We need to focus more on making sure we have more Scott and Zac's coming through rather than criticising the ones we do have - Ref development should be placed on the same pedestal as Player development or our Leagues - SBL, WABL; will suffer for it in the long term.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Perth are a serious runaway train at the moment. After taking down a Jervis equipped East Perth with no Wagner and a incredibly soft fixture to the finals, its hard not to see them finishing as high as 3rd right now.
Willeton (x2) & Joondalup pose the only tight contests and the rest of the games are teams well outside the 8!
I really like what Cockburn are doing atm - especially with Goodes starting to put up some dominant numbers.
what i am wary of is Joondalup's lack of consistency. They seem to have different people out the lineup every week. What happened to Davis & Illiadis?
i think craig copes is a great young ref who can communicate well
Master Debator
Years ago
Who cares what the crowd thinks but you should as a ref communicate with the players if you at least listen to them or pretend to it goes along way
the johnson incident where he got ejected and reported seemed to be a bit of an over reaction by the refs.
it should get thrown out at tribunal
was just a bit of push and shove nothing more
Gee there are some absolute plebs on this forum. Funches the worst import? How about Corey Easley, or does your state basketball knowledge not extend outside the metro area?
Since Funches came into the league Willetton are 7-3. That's good enough for a top 4 spot - where I'd probably have them. He was brought in specifically as a role player to come off the bench, with low minutes and just grab rebounds, block shots and hit free throws. I know for a fact they are paying him peanuts. If he hadn't come in to the team, they might've gone 5-6 over that stretch, they definitely would've lost the first PLH game.
Funches has been the a great pickup for the Tigers.
I would have Bobby Evans and Osayande ranked lower than Funches.
Easley isn't an import, or does your basketball knowledge not extend outside the metro area?
would have to agree with the Johnson incident, just watched the footage and whilst the melee not a good look for the game, it was alot of push and shove and not much else. Talks some smack after blocking Huntington, he gets up and body chests Johnson, he pushes him away and huntington stumbles back. end of story. Disqualifying foul for that was huge over reaction.
Yeah but it's joondalup behind east Perth and perry lakes where else will the sbl promote the wildcats. Have to protect the wolves guys.
Sizzle
Years ago
"Easley isn't an import, or does your basketball knowledge not extend outside the metro area?"
haha burn
I hear that Daniel Alexander from Lakeside attended the NBL Pro Combine in Melbourne
Does anyone know if any other SBL players attended?
Also heard that. He has had contract offers to sign with NBL teams
blurb
Years ago
I assume that is why Demuynck and his coach are in Melbourne as well then
Lewis Thomas, Najee Lane, Jordan Wellsteed, Royal Crouch, Daniel Alexander, Jourdan Demyunk, Kyle Lindbergh, Tevin Jackson.
You don't go to the combine if you got 'offers' from NBL teams. these are for the guys who consider themselves overlooked
Anon
Years ago
Don't forget Lackovic too, trying to be an Agent now from what I've heard.
Lacko would probably be a very good agent in all honesty.
it might be a better fit for him than coaching.
Anon, you also go to these if you have been offered an NBL contract. Like Alexander.
yeah ok... let's revisit this when the NBL season starts and none of these guys are signed.
Well if that happens it will be because he doesn't want to join the NBL if so good on him
Huh
Years ago
'Well if that happens it will be because he doesn't want to join the NBL if so good on him'
After getting (loosely termed) offers, and then paying $200 registration to attend the combine, not including flights and accommodation - all to say no.
Yer ok
Illawara paid for Alexander to attend. Beveridge is a big fan apparently, already been offered a contract.
must be something going on as they usually report findings next day?
some interesting questions to be answered for the round ahead
Can the Suns continue their winning form and beat the Buccs, who they beat convincingly at home, with Adeponya back in the lineup and Hussey now filling their hole at PG?
Will Lakeside snap their 11 game losing streak against the Magic, who beat them previously? Both teams fighting to stay off the bottom of the ladder.
Will Stirling show they are a legitimate contender against the Wolves?
Can the Redbacks continue their incredible form of late and beat the surging Tigers?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Buccs will defeat Suns, easily with a full lineup.
Lakeside should have enough to defeat Mandurah, who are really struggling.
Stirling are not legitimate title contenders (and will find there way slipping out of the top 4 by years end).
Perth should have the big bodies to get by Willetton. No wagner, no problems apparently.
Could this make Michael Vigor possibly the most valuable player in the league (hypothetically speaking) having guided them to a 9 and 10 record since his arrival?
No, it couldn't make Vigs the MVP. Not a chance.
there is no doubt vigs has revitalised the Reds since joining them but its hard to make a case for MVP with him missing the first part of the season.
my pick for MVP would have to be Alexander from Lakeside. There is nobody really taking votes from him there and he is killing it.
Other contenders would be Nichols (again nobody really taking votes), Demunyk and probably Holmen.
Most of the teams at the top of the table have multiple contributors and different guys going off each night making it hard to really gain the votes.
Also i wouldnt be too quick to write off Stirling. Lakeside really pushed them last week despite them being on a real slide. The game will be in Warwick with likely a big crowd behind them.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I didnt say vigor is in the mix or going to win MVP, hence the hypothetically speaking bracket. Obviously he hasnt played enough games.
but his value cannot be understated. for one player to come in and turn the team from literal bottom feeders to a game outside the top 4 is impressive none the less.
only time i can remember such a turn around was when suns signed Lee Roberts mid-season.
yes true, the redbacks turnaround with Vigor coming in is similar to the Suns with Lee Roberts a few years back.
I also recall the Suns having a similar turnaround one year signing Joe Nixon mid season
One thing is for sure i dont think many teams will want to face the redbacks come finals time. Its also interesting there has been very little, if any Lako bashing since the turnaround?
Master Debator
Years ago
Except Joe Nixon was hurt the whole time but I digress who is the 8th team in the finals hunt PL have a tough run home does EP sneak in or Kal?
Anon
Years ago
Same when Roberts signed with Redbacks few years back. they won a load of games to finish out the season. Still didnt help them in the finals. Lacko is still a tool. It is just they have more money that everyone else, joondalup included.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
8th is almost a two horse race between Hawks and Eagles. Goldfields are a chance but running out of time.
Hawks: Cockburn, Stirling, Southwest, Geraldton, Cockburn, Rockingham, Kalamunda
Eagles: Southwest, Stirling, Mandurah, Geraldton, Stirling, Rockingham
Goldfields: Joondalup, Lakeside, Rockingham, Cockburn, Perth, Geraldton, Southwest
Absolute coin flip. Each team faces a team outside the top 8 only twice in their run to the finish line.
Jim
Years ago
May get down to who can jag one or two from a higher placed team. I fancy the Eagles have the best chance with Tom and Sunday. Hawks maybe if they can get used to Hobbs again and he finds confidence and form. Eagles will likely lose Tom for the finals but he could do enough to get them in first.
wow that is a suprising outcome.
i saw the incident and there really wasnt anything out of the ordinary
"Johnson pleaded guilty to pushing Wolves player Rob Huntington in Friday nights game and was also found guilty of disputing decisions and engaging in conduct likely to bring the game into disrepute."
Its unclear if he plead guilty to disputing decisions
or engaging in conduct to bring the game into disrepute?
I didnt see Johnson really react to the call at all, he did walk over towards the ref and it looked like he was just asking the ref a question but seriously if everyone was reported and suspended for what Johnson did there would be players sitting out every single week on suspension.
I guess Najee Lane got lucky earlier in the year to get a suspended sentence.
So Haney with a history of race remarks gets a suspended sentence, Lane gets a suspended sentence, Carlwell gets a suspended sentence, and Johnson gets 1 game?!
What I don't understand even more is usually BWA suspend for weeks, not games.
Anonomouse
Years ago
Basically the ref involved turned a non-event into a "threatening" situation.
Master Debator
Years ago
Huntington is the biggest tool in the league and does things that should get him thrown out of every game. #1 Douche of the league
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Pretty disappointing outcome really.
SBL have let more sinister things slide but nothing more than a scuffle that players try to instigate on a regular basis receives a week suspension?
MRP and morgan hughes should be suspended a week for considering the game is even in disrepute or at least just being idiots
The game suspension is even further evidence that the tribunal don't know what they're doing. By Basketball Australia's rules you suspend for weeks not games. The tribunal obviously saw that Tigers play 2 games and thought that's too many so dialed it back. But if they felt that his actions warrant a 1 week suspension then they should have suspended him for both games.
Think BWA need a new panel, with consistency.
Jim
Years ago
Who is on the tribunal? Anyone under 80yo? I doubt it.
this game had 3 refs officiating, does anyone know if there was a ref evaluator there? if so i wonder how they would have evaluated the call on this?
it definitely seemed like an over reaction by the ref to eject Johnson let alone report him and then even more mind boggling he got suspended!
I totally agree that Hughes is a complete knob and thinks he is the second coming of Joey Crawford. But there could be more to the story Johnson may have said things that nobody knows about.
heading into the business end of the season it appears there is only playoff spot that is still up for grabs.
3rd to 7th there is still a lot of room for movement but cant see any of those teams currently in 7th or above dropping out.
Its a 2 horse race for top spot.
so with 4 teams that have a realistic shot at 8th lets look at their runs home and current situation.
Hawks (8-11).
Current form - lost last 3.
H2H with competing teams - Hawks have H2H over Eagles and Giants. *Slammers currently have H2H by 5 pts.
Run home - 1.Cougars (H), 3.Stirling (A), 11.Slammers (H), 5.Buccs (A), 1.Cougars (A), 7.Flames (H), 13.Suns (H).
Summary - Play 1 top 2 team, but play them twice. Play 3 teams in 3 to 7 range. Play 1 bottom 3 team. Play 1 team in they are currently in the mix with. Have an easier run home than other teams and have H2H over 2 of the 3 teams they are in the mix with. Have an opportunity to get H2H over 3rd team. Current form is average considering they lost to Wolves and in form Redbacks. Likely to stay in 8th if it comes down to H2H, however with the form of East Perth I dont think this is likely.
Eagles (8-11).
Current form - won 3 out of last 5.
H2H with competing teams - Giants and Hawks have H2H over Eagles. *Slammers currently have H2H by 16 pts.
Run home - 11.Slammers (A), 3.Stirling (H), 2.Wolves (A), 14.Magic (A), 5.Buccs (A), 3.Stirling (A), 7.Flames (H).
Summary - Play 1 team they are in the mix with. Play 1 top 2 team. Play 4 games against 3 to 7 range. Play 1 bottom 3 team.
A poor start to the season has hurt them in the H2H stakes but with the addition of Jervis and Dech makes this team capable of beating every team in the competition. Their only chance of making the 8 is to not get into H2H. With their current form this is highly likely! My pick to finish 8th.
Giants (6-12).
Current form - lost last 8.
H2H with competing teams - Giants have H2H over Eagles. Hawks have H2H over Giants. *Slammers currently have H2H over Giants by 4 points.
Run home - 2.Wolves (A), 4.Tigers (A), 12.Lightning (H), 7.Flames (H), 1.Cougars (A), 6.Redbacks (A), 5.Buccs (H), 11.Slammers (H).
Summary - Play top 2 teams, both away. Play 4 teams in 3 to 7 range. Play 1 team they are in the mix with. Play 1 bottom 3 team. Tough run home and poor current form. Highly unlikely to make the 8.
Slammers (5-12).
Current form - lost 4 out of last 5 including last 2 games.
H2H with competing teams - *Slammers currently have H2H over Giants by 4 pts, over Eagles by 16 pts and Hawks by 5 pts.
Run home - 7.Flames (A), 9.Eagles (H), 8.Hawks (A), 1.Cougars (A), 13.Suns (H), 12.Lightning (A), 6.Redbacks (H), 14.Magic (A), 10.Giants (A).
Summary - Play 1 top 2 team. Play 3 teams they are in the mix with. Play all 3 bottom 3 teams. Play 2 teams in 3 to 7 range.
Current form is poor having lost to suns and being blown out by a few other teams.However, if they pull it together and cement H2H over the other 3 teams in the mix, preferrably with wins, and win the games against the bottom 3 teams they are more than capable of making the 8. They have an extra game to play than the other teams which gives them an opportunity to stay in line with the teams above them. This team is the sleeper of the lot and could turn everything upside down if they want. Nichols in MVP form again so anything can happen. My gut tells me East Perth have too much momentum so they wont make the 8 but that only revolves around Jervis and Dech continuing to be available. If they go or miss some games the door is wide open for the Slammers.
even looking at the Tribual By Laws on the SBL website it refers to penalties in weeks, it makes no sense that it is games and just another example of amateur hour
Senators won by 9. Cracks starting to show in the wolves armor. They probably need another import next season just to be sure.
Well well..: the SURGING Redbacks have been dethroned by the Tigers. No Johnson, no problems. All you sucker MCs need to roll over and accept that Funches n co came to do bizness.
second this season someone has hit the game winning three on his head for Hallice. Poor kid. Poor Alexander, but at least he has an NBL contract.
https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/western-australian-basketball/id1101139472?mt=2
Anyone seen this?
koberulz
Years ago
Well well..: the SURGING Redbacks have been dethroned by the Tigers. No Johnson, no problems. All you sucker MCs need to roll over and accept that Funches n co came to do bizness.Yep, I'm sure the fact that the Redbacks were without Wagner and Vigor had absolutely nothing to do with it.
lol, all these Tigers haters just keep hating. Face it, they're beating teams, stop making excuses to explain them winning.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Vigor went down early in the third quarter with what reports sound like a serious ankle injury.
Perth went from leading the game at that point to down 30 in the blink of an eye according to live stats
bad news for Perth. can anyone confirm the severity of the injury?
how did Willetton go against the Cougars? I wasn't sure what happened?
Looks like Farrison got one out of four
Buccs will defeat Suns, easily with a full lineup. Yes
Lakeside should have enough to defeat Mandurah, who are really struggling. No
Stirling are not legitimate title contenders (and will find there way slipping out of the top 4 by years end). I think Stirling showed quite clearly they are contenders and will be pushing for 3rd spot
Perth should have the big bodies to get by Willetton. No
to be fair to Farrison the shot that setty hit to beat Lakeside was apparently a 1 in a million
Never seen a shot like it. Setty almost chucked it backwards over his head from near half court
Jim
Years ago
Cougars look good. Field had 20 at half time then sat with an ankle for the rest of the game. Hawks still couldn't match them.
Best collision between Goode and Carlwell. Shoulder to shoulder under the basket with full effort and both ended up at the sideline on their respective sides. I think the building shook for a few minutes. A good contest between to very big men.
awesome shot by setty, game winners by big tommy remmerswall then alexander hit a huge shot then settys was once in a life time shot all in the last 15 sec. SBL should post it on their facebook page -remarkable.
koberulz
Years ago
bad news for Perth. can anyone confirm the severity of the injury?I heard six weeks.
with the results this weekend for the teams in the mix for 8th spot on the ladder, it makes this weekends games very interesting.
Hawks who are currently in 8th (8-12) play Stirling who are fresh off a win against Wolves and then play Slammers who are right on their tails.
Eagles (8-12) who were just beaten by the slammers play Stirling and Wolves. Eagles are currently in 9th.
Slammers (6-13) fresh off a win against Eagles play against the Hawks who will be on the back end of a double header.
If the Slammers can win this game and the Eagles and Hawks drop both of their double headers this weekend they will be in a prime position to move on taking 8th position given they still have extra games to play and have H2H over these 2 teams.
Would love to see Slammers actually make it because Nichols is a jet. Hawks are the only team that will have a remote chance against the 1 seed.
EP prob won't have Jervis and Dech for finals so it would suck to see them make it.
"Hawks are the only team that will have a remote chance against the 1 seed"
How do you come to that conclusion...?
If the season ended today they would play the Cougars who beat them Friday night with Gav sitting for the whole second half.
I came to that conclusion because the wolves or the Cougars will sweep EP without Jervis and dech. And they will sweep slammers very easily.
When PL have hobbs back in form they will be the only team that has a chance.
Anonymous
Years ago
Vigor and Wagner out for Perth men and Jakens out for Perth Womens all with ankle injuries. What is in their water over there?
Wolves have released Bobby Evans from his contract, he is headed back home to be with family
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Interesting development. Who is coaching wolves if Ettrdige & Brennan are away on Rollers duties in England...?
And when does Hire's duties cease? That will leave them with Davis through finals if the Wildcats pull him out, no second import or restricted player correct?
Hire will be playing finals.
Wildcats wont be restricting him.
im really starting to lean towards the buccs , that backcourt of theres is electric to say the least.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
^Hire? Yes, he does http://www.wildcats.com.au/featured-news/greg-hire-signs-two-year-deal/
Buccs are improved with Hussey but still not convinced they can play defense at the level required.
Still a two horse race with Cougars and Wolves for me
Buccs depth a serious issue for them as well come finals
Vigor has signed with Bristol in the UK. Joins his team end of August so will be interesting to see at what stage he leaves Perth. If they progress in the playoffs he will most likely miss the semis
Random, BOLD prediction with Buccs knocking off Cockburn in round 2 of the finals without home court advantage! But that's what you're here for! :-) Great read as always!
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Incredible piece by Tegan Walker for this weeks player column.
hats off to her.
koberulz
Years ago
Vigor has signed with Bristol in the UK. Joins his team end of August so will be interesting to see at what stage he leaves Perth. If they progress in the playoffs he will most likely miss the semisHe's not leaving until after the grand final.
So are the Tigers contenders yet or...?? I bet all you sucker MCs voted for Shorten today too.
Taken a game off Wolves and Senators, defeated Getaldton TWICE, the first time by about 30 points. They've essentially guaranteed themselves a top 4 finish so...
Why does that guy keep calling everyone 'sucker MCs'?
Willeton still not contenders, but they are playing well.
Smashed by Cockburn a few weeks ago. And can't beat a full strength Wolves. Top two are contenders, the rest pretending.
What the hell is a sucker MC anyway? All I know is they wont get past Cockburn or Joondalup and as the standings are now, will struggle to get past Perth in the first round as well. Back in your box!
Farrison Hord
Years ago
While i dont get the sucker MC dork either, Willetton i dont think can be taken lightly now either.
With Joondalup showing signs of inconsistency & no coaches, they look a little unstable at present, while Willetton are knocking off everyone. Their risk will be peaking to soon.
Going to be a fast and furious 4 weeks jostling for final ladder positions.
Same in the women. 5-9 are all logged jammed and someone is going to miss out.
Good points Farrison, but Willeton aren't knocking off everyone. They were recently beaten convincingly by Cockburn
whoever
Years ago
Willetton may have lost to Cockburn the other week by 19 points but if you watched the game the score didn't really show how close it was. It was anyone's game up to the middle of the last qtr with Willo backing up after beating Wolves the night before. How'd Cockburn go against the Wolves... can anyone remember the score...oh thats right they lost. This season has proved results from one week may not translate to the following week. Last week Willo beat Geraldton who were undefeated at home apparently but hey to the Willo haters that was just luck.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
agreed.
i am fast becoming accustomed to the idea that almost anyone is going to be a title contender from 1-6.
it will all revolve around who times their run best come playoffs.
Wolves still huge favourites.
They havent looked like dropping a game when they have everyone on the floor.
They will win by 20+ against Tigers this week.
Thats not being a sucker MC thats just how far ahead the Wolves are.
Only issue may be the availability of the coach comes finals im not sure when they have to be in Rio?
Agree team health for everyone will be the key, A lot of players missing over the last couple weeks for a few teams.
Even if East Perth can sneak into 8th with a fit and healthy roster they would not be a easy 8th seed.
I agree...Wolves will be tough to beat come finals time. I do think the lose of Ironmonger is bigger then it looks on paper. Questel has shown some weaknesses at running the PG spot.
Cockburn to me is the only real danger for them....Goode is showing that if he comes to play he can be a game changer. Can they defend the wolves wing scorers is the question I have though.
On another topic.... Whats people's opinions on the SBL now offering betting odd/lines through Sportsbet.
I just find it hard to believe that the odd's makers will have enough inside information to get accurate Odds. As we know this league especially at this time of the season is all over the place with players in/out of the lineups. Curious no doubt but suprised as well.
Big weekend of games ahead!
Headlined by the Friday night clash between Tigers @ Wolves.
Stirling faces Cockburn who will be coming off a Friday night game. This is a real chance for Stirling to get a win a stay a game ahead of Gero for the 4th spot.
Also I think we will know for sure if the 8th spot will be just between Hawks/Eagles or will Slammers/Giants have something to say about it?
Tigers @ Wolves - Wolves -7.5
Eagles @ Magic - Eagles -10.5
Lakeside @ Suns - Suns -4.5
Slammers @ Cougars - Cougars -15
.............................................
Hawks @ Gero - Gero -11.5
Flames @ Giants - Flames -4.5
Suns @ Slammers - Slammers -3.5
Perth @ Lakeside - Perth -8.5
Cockburn @ Stirling - Stirling -4.5
Wolves @ Magic - Wolves -20.5
Master Debator
Years ago
Lol if they offered that on Sportsbet there would be alot of point shaving considering not alot of guys get paid and those that do dont get very much at all
Sportsbet had the line of Sundays PL v Slammers ....
Hawks -4.5 (202.5) ...won by 20+ and Under just hit at 200.
This is legit, now will they only offer H2H betting
Ex: Wolves 1.30 v Tigers 2.55
Or will they off (lines / Over / Unders )
Just imagine how some of the crowd will be it the refs have a bad night and some boozed up punter loses a few hundred dollars. Betting on basketball....We don't need it
Agree....Dont know if the SBL had to agree to it or what is going on...but I know it was an option for last Sunday's game between Hawks/Slammers.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Here's a bit of fun for a change.
Build your fantasy team. You have 30 points and you can select (2x 5 point players, 2x 4 point players, 2x 3 point players, 2x 2 point players and 2x 1 point players).
There is a mix in the points and players (its not a reflection of their talent, this is for FUN)
5 point players
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D.Alexander, T.Nichols, C.Land, M.Goode, T.Jervis, M.Adekponya, J.DeMuynck, B.Hobbs
4 point players
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G.Field, L.Thomas, K.Manigault, J.Holman, T.Setty, B.Carlwell, C.Ellis, M.Vigor, N.Lane, T.Illiadis, R.Crouch, M.Barrow, T.Mullenax, K.Davis
3 point players
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T.Squire, B.Purser, J.Wagner, C.Pal, B.McGill, T.Hallice, K.Armour, S.Salinas, D.Williamson, S.Dech, J.Hussey, B.Smith (Mand)
2 point players
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C.Wroe, A.Ralph, B.Dixon, M.Wundenberg, T.Land, R.McConnell, T.Korf, S.Chan, R.Godfrey
1 point players
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J.Coburn, B.Smith (Per), T.Remmerswaal, C.Easley, D.Goodluck, K.Horn, M.Honey, J.Jackson, R.Della
Enjoy :)
ttttt jhhh
Years ago
5 alexander 4g.holman k armour2.b.dixon1.b.smith
tttt jhhh
Years ago
alexander holman armour dixon smith nicols feild wagner land horn
after reading the S.B.L story on the Mandurah magic men is there coach Jason kyle contracted for season 2017?
Wolves $1.15 Tigers $5.00
Wolves - 9.5 pts favorite
Total 195.5 points
Wolves by more then 5.5 pts $1.43
Double Result
Willo to lead at half / Wolves win $6.50
Wolves to lead half / wolves in $1.45
Betting on SBL is awesome, makes it more interesting.
Sounds like Kyle is contracted next year. Prob one of the weaker coaches in the league but each to their own I guess
Great game at Stirling .Cougars won by six in overtime.No McTiyre ,Thomas or Field
What is more impressive Adekponya field goal %? Or Alexander triple double?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Both impressive, but the game from Adekponya was one for the ages in terms of shooting performances for mine.
Some big results to come out of the weekend.
Did Hussey have 19 rebs and Wundenberg 2? Or was that a mistake?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Looks like the race for 8th is between East Perth & Perry Lakes.
Goldfields are all but done.
Hawks have Cockburn (L), Rockingham (W) and Suns (W) last 3 rounds.
East Perth (no Jervis) have Geraldton (L), Stirling (L) and Rockingham (L).
So i guess my prediction is Hawks to sneak in.
there is a big battle looming on Friday night as well magic vs the suns
Slammers Vs Lakeside also. Wooden spoon probably decided this weekend.
Anonymous
Years ago
Hussey had the 19, had 9 by qtr time, looked like he was in 2 places at once one stage ball followed him around
anonymous
Years ago
With 3 weeks left of the season, who do you think the MSBL award winners should be?
My suggestions are
MVP - Cody Ellis had a great season, most consistent and best player for Stirling but have they won enough games? Roughy - Marcus Goode Cockburn
Most Improved Player - Tim Squires Kalamunda has come from nowhere to have a substantial season with the suns. Roughy Jayden Coburn
Coach of the Year - Matt Parsons Cockburn this clearly has to be the choice again as team is sitting on top of the ladder and again has improved on last season. No easy task with no budget unlike the majority of the top 8 clubs. Roughy Mark Hutley - The only other coach without a budget in the top 8
I don't think Ellis deserves to be MVP. Nothing against the bloke but it is fairly clear he is in off season in this league. He scores a bit but doesn't contribute much else particularly on defense. He plays around 44 mins a game and 7 rebounds? I would rather see Lindberg get the nod from Stirling.
Goode would go close, but Lane and Field have probably shared in the votes too much. Barrow/Adekponya up at Buccs could be decent chance roughy. Adekponya missed a few games though.
Cooper Land another roughy, good players around him but none that will steal votes each week.
Then you have the guys like Nichols and Alexander who might pick up 2 votes some weeks when they lose but might not win enough to get enough 3 vote games.
I agree with your other choices, Squire etc.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
MSBL MVP: Dan Alexander
WSBL MVP: Candace Williams
MSBL COY: Matt Parsons
WSBL COY: Craig Friday
MSBL MIP: Tim Squire
WSBL MIP: Amy Kidner
MSBL 6MOY: Ben Smith
WSBL 6MOY: Nat Soliai
anon
Years ago
MSBL
MVP - Daniel Alexander
COY - Matt Parsons
MIP - Julian Pesava
Nichols 1st team PG without a doubt. Not Armour
Armour? No chance. Nichols all the way.
Take out Iliadis and put in Adekponya
Anonnnn
Years ago
MVP - Marcus Goode.
I know he won't get it because Field and Lane would have taken too many votes, but he is clearly the difference this year in Cockburn being the best team in the L. 1st in rebounding, 1st in block shots, 11th in scoring, shoots 50% from the field and 30% from three, 72% from the FT. This guys the best player on the best team this year.
Dan Alexander will likely win.
MIP - Tim Squire. Who?!?!? Where did he come from???
1st team:
Goode
Alexander
Nichols
Adekponya
Demyunk
I am curious to see how Cockburn go in the playoffs with Goode. When I have gone and watched them play he really dominates on offense but doesn't seem to make much of an effort defensively. Except for the odd block.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I'd agree that Marcus Goode could DEFINITELY steal it away. Especially with his strong finish to the season.
He is averaging 30ppg, 18rpg and just over 2bpg in the last 7 games while shooting a very healthy clip. Helps Cougars are on a smooth 10 game winning steak to boot as well.
If you don't know who Tim Squire is and why he is a strong candidate for MIP, then you probably have no business commenting on end of season awards because you haven't paid enough attention.....
M. Goode has been a dominent force for the Cougars. I will be anxious to see how it all plays out when the LIGHTS come on in August. When this kid wants to move and play and can really get after it. He just doesnt have the stamina to play like that for more then 15-20 minutes. Cougars need 30 + from him! He has to pace himself at times I think. They do a good job of hiding him in the
2-3 Zone at times against weaker shooting teams!
I also think with out Fields recent injury...He can be be as well mentioned in the MVP race in my opinion...Im not going off the 3-2-1 system in saying this though.
His shooting numbers have been unreal and he is very valuable to the Cougars success then next 6-8 weeks.
Goode's numbers have been outrageous while field has been out.
T Squire has had a few 30 pt games and a few 20 pt games. Avg 14 pts. Up from close to 0 last time he played.
Anon
Years ago
Chudier Pal with 14 and 14 at 53% not in the MIP race? Averaged 4.6 and 5.6 in 2014.
True. Same for squire. Depends what the rules are.
Anonnnn
Years ago
haha Ford mate, you need to chill. I know exactly who Squire is. Was buried on the bench previously under coaches who didnt recognize how good he really was, and now hes exploded this season and is going to be a valuable player for years to come. For someone who's opinions have been wrong all year, maybe keep the smart ass comments to yourself and just talk about basketball.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
**Hord
I'm more chill than the 0 degree morning.
at least you had time to research Tim Squire before posting again :)
Anon
Years ago
So Squire was better than Questel, Smith, Corey Craig, Greg Palmer, Dean Hadley, Adam Nash, Cotte? Umm no he wasn't.
He was cut from those Kalamunda Teams for very good reasons.
I thought Squire had health issues that is why he stopped playing. He is better than Nash and Cotte no question.
Anon
Years ago
He was outplayed by all of those guys, Nash was a better shooter and all round player then. Cotte was a better defender and ball handler.
I see Candace Williams becomes player of the week again and everyone is saying she will win the MVP .
im not sure if she will win it, not enough wins in my book ? still think Sammy whitcomb is the winner. they will win the remainder of their games this season rockingham and im not sure about the cougars.
coach of the year must be between a few Friday, petrick ,parker and Jackson- the last 3 have got to were they have without out their full squads most of the season.
kidner is a lock for most improved./ smokey Courtney bayliss.
not sure about any other awards they hand out.
You dont always need wins to rack up votes. Everyone is saying Alexander will win MVP and Lakeside up to a week ago were wooden spoon contenders. Williams no doubt has earned consistent 2/3 votes for every game. Whitcomb will be up there again, but Garbin and Ibekwe (in her limited number of games) can take votes away. Realistically Thornton is the only one who could take votes from Williams but she hasnt been near consistent enough to get 2's and 3's. It will be a close call come season end
IMO Williams is a lock. Whitcomb has missed games and also splits votes with others.
Whitcomb (16) has actually played more games the Williams (15).
Williams should still win it tho.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Williams will win mvp by a country mile and she has not played the whole season.
Sammys run of mvp awards is over.
Williams is the best all round player to have played in the wsbl for years, Just check her numbers since shes been here, all double doubles i beleive.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Williams
37-14
25-14
30-12
10-13
17-22
37-14
25-17
33-9
27-13
28-11
31-15
23-19
OK I WAS WRONG ONE GAME SHE ONLY HAD 9 REBOUNDS.
Get a good look at her for the rest of the season because she wont be playing here anymore.
the 3 votes far out weigh the 2 votes my friends and normally the winning teams best player will get the 3 votes. garbin has not played much neither has ibekeye. or j- bourne.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Depending on the coach (and their humbleness i guess), you can still give votes to your own players.
Despite cougars not winning a whole bunch of games, there are probably some performances where it would have been hard to not give her the 3 votes
tttt jhhh
Years ago
The way the voting system is my freind you can get a possible 9 votes per game 3 from each coach and 3 from the umpires.
The coach can vote for his own players votes.
So if cockburn coach gives her 3 in all those games which is easy enough to do and umpire and opp coach 2 each she could be averaging 7 per game.
Knowing the way a few coaches vote around the league it really is a crappy system. Coaches hand the slip to assistant coaches, managers and rookies to fill out who they want to put on there.
Squire was never buried on the bench.
Prior to this year he did one preseason several years ago, played spot minutes for only a couple of rounds and had a car accident that ended his season.
After a few years away he has come back a lot more mature and ready to play to his potential. Always been a great kid and talented player around Suns right back to junior years. He's the same age as Jarrad Jackson (Magic) and Robbie Cassir (Hawks).
more importantly are the odds up yet for the upcoming round?
No odds out! Last week it was Friday morning when the only game for the weekend was posted ( Wolves/Tigers)
I wasnt suprised though. I think they will have all the Finals games up for bets no doubt but this time of the season I dont think we will see many games on the board due to the amount of unknowns going around...
So lets do our own!!!
Last weeks
Tigers @ Wolves - Wolves -7.5 Wolves by 23
Eagles @ Magic - Eagles -10.5 Eagles by 10
Lakeside @ Suns - Suns -4.5 LKSIDE by 6
Slammers @ Cougars - Cougars -15 Cockburn by 24
.................................... .........
Hawks @ Gero - Gero -11.5 Gero by 22
Flames @ Giants - Flames -4.5 Flames by 14
Suns @ Slammers - Slammers -3.5 Suns by 13
Perth @ Lakeside - Perth -8.5 LKSIDE by 8
Cockburn @ Stirling - Stirling -4.5 Cougars by 6
Wolves @ Magic - Wolves -20.5 Wolves by 52
Week 18
Lakeside @ Slammers....... Slammers -4.5
Magic @ Suns........ Suns -6.5
Hawks @ Cougars...... Cougars -9.5
Flames @ Senators.... Senators -7.5
Eagles @ Gero ...... Gero -14.5
Giants @ Cougars.... Cougars -12.5
Perth @ Slammers.... Perth -4.5
Suns @ Wolves ..... Wolves -38.5
Tigers @ Flames ... Flames -2.5
Giants @ Redbacks... Redbacks -8.5
R@nD0m
Years ago
I'll take some three-leg multi action based on those rather generous lines by Anon #591315!!
Gero (-14.5)
+ Cougars (-12.5) **vs Giants
+ Wolves (-38.5)
I'll have $50 on it - Saying that they are the standard Line odds of $1.90
50 x 1.9 x 1.9 x 1.9 >> $342.95 collect!!
Generous lines? OK...lets see yours?
Will Cockburn have Field/Mcintyre/DT ??
If not, backing up from the Hawks the night before wont be easy. Giants will be playing with nothing to lose and could keep it within the 10-15 pt range very easily I think.
This same Cockburn team only lead an IMPORT-LESS Slammers team by 10 at halftime last weekend while being FRESH.
Suns losing by 50 or 38 all depends on making 3-4 more 3 BALLS...They will shoot 40 + so we shall see.
Wouldnt the Wolves play there bench majority of the game??
R@nD0m
Years ago
The Wolves Lineup:
Iliadis
Huntington
Salinas
Hire
Wellsteed
Smyth
Maxwell
Matacz
Davis
All of the above average 12 mins per game or more - The Wolves bench you speak of produces points. You only have to look at their starters from last week to realise the depth they have.
For Arguments sake, these would be my lines:
Flames @ Stirling (Senators -5.5)
Magic @ Kalamunda (Suns -2.5)
Hawks @ Cockburn (Cougars -13.5)
Slammers @ Lakeside (Slammers -3.5)
Giants @ Cockburn (Cougars -18.5)
Eagles @ Geraldton (Buccs -19.5)
Redbacks @ South West (Redbacks -6.5)
Suns @ Joondalup (Wolves -54.5)
Tigers @ Rockingham (Tigers -4.5)
Giants @ Perth (Redbacks -7.5)
Davis 33
Huntington 32
Salinas 29
Hire 24
Few minutes for a top team playing a bottom team and winning by nearly 20 at the half.
If they give Maxwell/Smyth/Manyang/Wellsted those extra 8-10 minutes instead then it could be the difference in losing by 55 or 40 ?
Lets see how we go on these ODDS Mr.SBL!!
@tttt ahhh
No way "Williams is the best overall player the league has seen in ages".
She'll put up the best points and rebounding numbers, but who's going to steal those off her on that team??
On the other hand, has a 8-11 record, and 2 assists a game despite playing 40 most nights. Easy to score when you don't pass or make anyone better. If she's so good overall, why can't she win? (argument will be her team is bad, hence why she can put up junk numbers)
R@nD0m
Years ago
Mr SBL... Pffft this guy hahaha You got me confused with Cecins - He IS Mr SBL!
tttt jhhh
Years ago
You dont steal points and rebounds off of your team mates you have to earn them.
Even if Williams team wasnt bad she would still be putting up these numbers.
You call them junk numbers, but shes getting her so called junk numbers against every team.
So how is it no defenders from other teams can stop her.
Wont be long now and you can come back and read this when she wins mvp.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Whilst I see where tttt is coming from, I look at the box scores for the Cougars Women and Candace is on average shooting DOUBLE the amount of attempts than anyone else on her team. Obviously this is what Triscari has recruited her for, but when you're shooting 25-30 attempts per game, as a coach you would be wanting her to be getting the numbers she is considering her shot output.
Master Debator
Years ago
Great point Random however no one cares in the SBL or WSBL about shot attempts they only care about points sadly :( Not enough basketball minds around the league
I don't understand your point R@ndom. Because she is doing what she should do by hitting the amount of shots she should that is meant to be a negative? I could see your point if she forced a shot up every possession and was shooting a poor %.
She shoots 2-5 more times a game than Whitcomb and at a better clip, Whitcomb is a guard so that is expected. Williams should arguably shoot more than she does at the moment on a team with fairly limited offensive ability compared to the talent around Sami.
To be fair, they are both worthy winners of the award. But I would prefer Williams to take it out this year. I think she has had a better season individually.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
See your point random but the fact is you still have to make those shots playing on somebody.
I would asume Williams would attract the oppositions best defenders every week.
The other thing is the shooting percentage for teams in the wsbl is about 35% so no matter who you are you have to put up that many shots in order to average what she does.
She'll probably win MVP, doesn't make her 'the best overall player'.
Take her out of that team, and put in any of Whitcomb, Tomlinson, Wischer, Ibekwe, Mijovic, give them 30 shots, and nobody to rebound, and they'd all put up those numbers too. Whitcomb would average over 40.
"Why can no defenders stop her?" Because their team is too busy beating her by 40, do they really care? Better questions, who does she make better, and if she's so good, why can't she win?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
She constantly draws double teams and still throws up massive numbers.
Proof is in the pudding, you cant really discredit the exceptional season she has been having.
She's almost certainly priced herself out of the league in 2017 based on her play in 2016!
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Name somebody on her team she could make better.
Thats the reason they cant win.
Without her they would strugle to have won any.
And thats the same reason why she puts up those unreal numbers, who else is going to score or rebound?
Numbers you missed : 2.1 assists, 0.4 blocks, 1.5 steals, yet 4 TO a game. First 3 should be higher if your the 'best overall' and playing 40 minutes.
She's good, but lucky to be top 5
tttt jhhh
Years ago
She plays the 5 spot, so dont expect her to have big no in those areas and the 4 turnovers a game come from being double teamed and her teamates not being able to catch a ball.
But none of this matters as she will clearly win mvp which will make her the best overall player.
lol MVP must mean best overall. Like talking to a 10 year old.
You still take Curry over LeBron with that logic? Curry was MVP, must be best overall. SMFH
tttt jhhh
Years ago
MOST VALUABLE PLAYER MAKES YOU THE BEST OVERALL AS VOTED, even a 10 year old knows that.
Reading the article on the SBL website about Marcus Goode does anyone else get the impression it was low-key trying to get Goode to buy in to winning a championship and not just gunning for MVP to further his own career?
Seemed a bit that way to me
Anon
Years ago
If Marcus Goode was here solely to win MVP wouldn't the Cougars have the same result as Redbacks with Ray Turner last year?
if you have read the article in this weeks Cockburn Gazette Goode states he is here to win a championship.
With the culture at Cougars under coach Parsons it's hard to believe he would've recruited someone that was only here to win MVP, I've heard that Goode isn't even getting paid like last years imports Lane & Milam
Master Debator
Years ago
Lane and Milam didnt get paid last year but nice try Lane has to get paid this year since he is in Year 2 but that's none of my business. However not getting paid and getting a job at the club when you get paid for it isn't that really like getting paid anyway.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
150+ points for Kalamunda, triple double for Setty. What a messed up game
Must have been defense optional.
Another monster game for Alexander.
Eastern Old Sun
Years ago
Pretty fiery and entertaining night up at the Shed in the Sticks.
Suns women had a good win.Fiery bit of WWWF action before the end with two ladies getting disqualified.Will be pretty interesting to see the refs match report.
Jarrad Prior played his final SBL game and went out with a virtuoso performance and with McGill,Belger,Squire and McIllroy following his lead,the Suns came out after half time and scored double that of the Magic to win convincingly.
Setty was very good in the first half.
Well done JP and hope you continue with the Suns in a coaching capacity and help develop this team in the future.
Williams 'best overall player' update lol
5-19 from the field, 1 assist, 5 turnovers, 14 point loss
So she's not allowed to have a bad game??? Geez Whitcomb has some games where she can't hit water from a boat but nobody gets on her case
tttt jhhh
Years ago
she also finished with 20 and 17 was 10 from 12 from the stripe and was fouled 8 times which means they were getting after her.
I would still take that and your calling it a bad game?
Yeah when your bad games are better than 99% of the league you are doing just fine
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Haters gonna hate. Should could not play the last 2 weeks and probably have it in the bag.
sounds like some of these stadiums need to invest in some roof restorations. cancelled games across the area and the southwest games were heavily delayed.
Not sure what Willeton has on their run home but if they drop a couple more they could drop as low as 7th.
Willetton has Lakeside (W), Kalamunda (W) and Perth (??). Probably safe for top 4 unless they fall apart
Is Taylor Land here for the rest of the playoffs?
Court guy
Years ago
Had nothing to do with leaks had to do with ventilation. Rain and humid conditions don't do well in Australia. Maybe if they had 1st world facilities this wouldn't be a problem. Most courts are like playing outside on pavement anyway.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Court Guy is exactly right - Ours was definitely about ventilation rather than any leaks and speaking to a few of the Wolves boys there's was exactly the same issue up at Joondalup. We were just lucky we managed to get through the Women's game at least on Sat night.
Mike Barnett had a full roof reno done at the beginning of this year and even with two hard downpours last night in the Ham during the Men's game, there was no hint of a leak.
To Anon 640... Yes Taylor is here for all of the Finals.
Good news. Flames are playing well and would be a shame for them to lose him.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Also got wind of the Mijovic and Adams (i think) encounter on Friday where actual punches were thrown at one another before being ejected from the game.
anyone able to confirm the severity of the incident and if it is off to the weak old tribunal?
Adams gave Mijovic a nice old uppercut in retaliation to a push. Both players were thrown out but Adams received a disqualifying foul. From what I hear Adams should be the only one heading to the tribunal if it even gets that far.
Anonomouse
Years ago
Heard there was a quite dirty play in the Rocko v Stirling Mens game with T Land elbowing Coburn in the throat, sending him to hospital.
R@nD0m
Years ago
So we'll just ignore Wroe feigning to kick T Land in the head several times whilst he was on the ground after a whistle was called then... Or the Panel 1 ref standing by watching the incident the whole time and doing nothing about it.
Not ignoring the Jayden issue as I am a big fan of his and it was very sad to see him leave the game struggling for air but the game itself was very physical and at times it was almost like the refs applied a 'lets flip a coin and decide' approach every time they blew the whistle - but it was consistent both ways.
Wroe then showed his true sportsmanship by not even shaking players hands after the game and just heading straight to the changerooms - The sooner the Wildcats get rid of the likes of him and start promoting WA kids who deserve a shot, such as Trian or even some of the younger talent we have coming through like Jayden given the year he has had or even a Jordan Wellsteed type... the better.
Anonomouse
Years ago
If your rebuttal of a statement is "but they did bad too" it means the statement is true.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Haha no rebuttal mouse - just saying someone obviously got Jayden as he had to be helped off the court holding his throat. Your original post of 'heard there was quite a dirty play' is very circumstantial given you obviously weren't at the game if you 'heard' it happened and then I question was the person who gave you the info of a biased opinion or not.
I didn't see who did it, as it happened at the opposite end of the court in front of the Senators bench... I hope JC has a quick recovery especially after the concussion incident from a couple of weeks ago.
Anonomouse
Years ago
My source is a Stirling player, take that as you will. Jayden spent 2 nights in hospital due to the severity of the injury and clash.
League insider
Years ago
T Land is known to be a dirty player its crazy how the likes of these guys hasn't come up more often and don't get more calls or ejected from games.
Mijovic and Adams both exchanged punches that landed, if it was AFL Adams would be gone for multiple weeks and Mijovic would be worrying about a decision this week.
It'll say something about the league if there is no report or only suspended sentences.
Greeny
Years ago
I think Mijovic was a push then slap. Adams was a right hook didn't connect fully, 3 team mates holding her back.
Both teams players separated them quickly otherwise could of got very ugly for Mijovic.
Anon101
Years ago
Hi all i was just wondering is it ever going to be possible that the SBL gets a tv deal or is it not possible for what ever reasons. Like how the WAFL used to have a game on ABC every sat arvo.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
No state basketball league around Australia has a tv deal. The QBL and the SEABL often stream their games, but that's about as close as it will ever get. The SBL to NBL is not on the same level as WAFL to AFL in terms of (1) demand and (2) people who care
Greeny
Years ago
The WNBL can't get a TV deal, no way SBL would ever get one.
Eastern Old Sun
Years ago
Agree with Greeny's assessment of the Mijovic/Adams altercation.
If Adams's right hook haymaker had of connected fully,Mijovic would have been seeing stars.
Surely Adams has to get a holiday for the intention to strike another player in a very aggressive manner.
Magic coach Miegel was pretty keen to get a copy of the game tape before he left that night.
Juno 18
Years ago
"My source is a Stirling player, take that as you will. Jayden spent 2 nights in hospital due to the severity of the injury and clash."
Please find a way to watch the play. Its a joke, looks like a complete flop to me. One of the softest plays I have ever seen, pretty embarrassing for Stirling & Coburn
Anon
Years ago
So the "soft" elbow only had him coughing up blood and in hospital with damage to his adams apple.
Juno 18, please let go of something, the blood flow is being restricted to your brain.
Juno 18
Years ago
Have you seen the play? If not, please stop commenting. You are embarrassing yourself
From what I seen this Stirling kid was on the ground more times than he was standing. He was throwing himself around and initiating the contact most times. I don't know him well but presume this is his way of giving 120% effort. I would hope that nobody would deliberately elbow someone in the throat. Like Random said it was a rough game right from the start and the refs were calling soft fouls and letting the hard ones go. No wonder players get frustrated and don't know what to do or how to play the game. We watched Cody get ridiculous retaliation fouls coz they weren't calling the first ones. Then again someone who has had as much experience as Cody should know better and should have been more disciplined. Then again watching a certain coach carry on like a lunatic the whole game and not one tech foul in sight, its no wonder the players think its okay too. How does this happen when the same coach also tried to attack players after the game whilst they were in the huddle with Stirling. No nothing will ever happen because of who he is. If any other coach carried on that way they would have been reported.
Land is the dirtiest player in the league and week in and week out every scuffle that takes place in the Rockingham games, he is involved in almost all of them.
He is DIRTY, and the refs know this yet never pull him up on it. Players have had conversations with refs during games yet they continue to fail at stopping the incidents before they occur.
Last year he damn near ended a career in Najee Lane during the playoffs and nothing got done. There is playing hard and playing dangerous and with intent to harm. Mr Land does the latter.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
I hear what your saying some coaches in the league, Men and Womans are treated like royalty.
Same with the players they are umpired differently if they are wildcats or lynx players withouy a doubt.
Loveforthegame
Years ago
There are many things that go on during games that refs miss, like the fact the game is not about them.
ie) i think we all know who I'm talking about :)
however, it would be nice to see a tribunal sit and watch the games and pick out dangerous behaviour and actually place a legitimate suspension on it, not served sentences. That is the biggest cop out ever in sports.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Love the keyboard warriors on here who are more than prepared to run their mouth about players and their apparent habits, yet aren't tough enough to put a name to their post... must take a lot of courage and testosterone to hide behind no ID! And don't reply with the 'you are hiding behind a name' - 95% of the people on here know who I am! And no i'm not condoning how Taylor plays SOME of the time - but he isn't the only one in the League who plays hard every game and he won't be the last... You sound like some jaded d-leaguer who had his freshly manicured fingernail broken in the two mins of court time you got once by Taylor... So sad.
Remmerswaal, Lopez, Adams and Mijovic all headed to the tribunal tomorrow night. The ladies may have to prepare for a week or two off, the men should get no more than a fine
Taylor plays hard.....Some call it dirty but I call it HARD/GRITTY/GUTTY...whatever it takes to WIN. He is a player everyone hates but also everyone would want on your team.
Saying all of that, I do agree that the officiating is Up and Down and all over the place at times but it is what it is I suppose.
Have played against Taylor every year he has been in the league. He plays hard and physical and doesn't whinge and complain if you play physical back at him. The type of bloke you want on your team, that's all there is to it.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Lopez threatened Trengrove after the game in the car park? lol
Hahahaha why? He is about 6 inches shorter and at least 30kg lighter!
League insider
Years ago
My boy Lopez!!! Taylor and Huntington two of the dirtiest playing hard and elbowing people and shoving dudes in the back are two different things.
Suns scored 5 points in the third quarter yesterday?!
Loveforthegame
Years ago
Surely there will still be an article on how amazing the brand of basketball is though.
It's no coincidence that there has been a number of incidents / fights during games involving Kalamunda this year.
Whether or not you agree with the style of play adopted by the Suns this year, in my opinion, much of the frustration/angst stems from poor officiating.
The Suns play up-tempo and full court press for 48 minutes. The referee's seem to accept that 'this is how they play' and let them get away with fouls that would otherwise stand out more if a team is playing 'regulation D'.
This is coupled by the fact that the Suns are usually down big margins and refs being refs tend to 'let some go' or officiate in such a way to make the game closer (refs will deny this but it is plainly clear that it happens).
If every Suns foul were called the game would go for ever and they would lose by even more than they have been.
The SOLUTION - officiate the game correctly and none of these fights happen!
Farrison Hord
Years ago
^^ while i agree with the sentiment above i wouldn't necessarily correlate it with just Suns games.
The overall officiating this season has been well below par with almost next to none of their 'points of emphasis' seemingly emphasized on.
If Adijat Adams doesnt get suspended tonight (no probation) this tribunal needs a MAJOR overhaul. Mijovic isnt completely innocent in this either and should serve a week or two but Adams should be rubbed out for at least three
Should see the result some time today.
Looking likely that the minor premiership will be decided by the Cougars Wolves game in the final round. Cockburn need to get everyone back fit and firing soon to get some reps in before the play offs.
Geraldton are looking the goods now with the inclusion of Hussey. They have struggled in the PG department for several years.
Redbacks and Stirling will be keen to avoid the 7th place and a match up with Cougars or Wolves
Mijovic 2 weeks 2 games
Adams 2 weeks 3 games
Remmerswaal 1 week suspended no games
Lopez suspended from WABL/SBL for 9 months
Watcher
Years ago
That is good that a player gets put out for so long for confronting a referee after the game but it is okay for a certain coach to attack the same referee and nothing happens because he is a NICE GUY says the tribunal.
Finally some sense from the tribunal, sensible decision and suspensions. Not sure who you mean though Watcher?
Does anyone know what went down with Lopez?
9 months is a very long time for someone at the end of a SBL bench. Makes you wonder if it was someone with a higher profile name the same punishment would have applied.
Loveforthegame
Years ago
9 months is an extremely long time but if hes just a end of bench type guy he can still play local comps and at least continue to work on his game.
Speaking of Mandurah, Has anything EVER come out of the whole Jason Chalk debarcle/incident as if he stole hundreds of thousands of dollars, surely he would be in prison by now.
There will be a couple of womens teams licking their lips about this result / the 2 girls suspended are elite players not only in this competition but in any comp they play. a couple of girls can consider themselves very very lucky after the incident earlier in the year which was posted on social media and nothing was done about it at all.
No doubt - if I was Mijovic I would be pretty angry that she just got a 2 game suspension for something that Kelly got away with earlier this year.
Lopez threatened the referee that he would wait for him in the carpark, which he then proceeded to do. He confronted the referee in the carpark, said he would find out where he lived, and then swung at the referee twice. Jarrad Jackson held him off the referee.
Unfortunately though, I am pretty positive SBL results carry across to ALL domestic association competitions affiliated with BWA. This includes comps at Mandurah, Willetton, etc. Can still play at like Lords or Loftus though..and pickup obviously.
Tough for the kid because hes usually a nice guy, but obviously something happened for him to snap. Gotta do the time now.
As for Mijovic and Adams, glad that suspensions were given to these high profile players. No idea what Mijovics boyfriend is on about on the SBL post...
I think SBL received a lot of pressure to sort their tribunal panel members out, who were previously just handing down suspended sentences (boring.)
Yes, Kelley got away with her actions, probably as did Haney, but hopefully now its turned the corner into a respectable process.
How's Mijovic's boyfriends form on the SBL post on Facebook. Apart from being completely bias what the hell game was he watching???? Certainly wasnt that game if he thinks she did nothing wrong!
Anon
Years ago
Lets not leave out how Trengove T'ed Lopez up for nothing, then got Remmerswaal after he remonstrated about it. Or Trengove saying the T was for stuff done/said in a previous game.
When will we see referees being held accountable for their biases and attitudes?
Only then will this League move forward.
The comment about naming Jackson is more accurate. Not sure why they did that, bit odd.
Anon
Years ago
That's very true, can anyone ever remember a witness being named before? Seems really odd, it basically tarnishes Jarrads name as well.
Chris Pike is doing a much better job with the articles in the second half of the year. The weekend wrap ups are still boring as f but the coach interview pieces are a step in the right direction.
Jim
Years ago
Lopez will think himself lucky the police are not involved. Pre meditated assault on an official is a serious charge and would attract a severe penalty if he was found guilty.
No official deserves this kind of stuff no matter how badly they may have handled or even provoked a situation.
Sorry if they provoke a situation then they deserve anything that comes to them. Refs shouldn't talk trash to players and vice versa, they shouldn't refuse to talk to someone in the spirit of the game. Refs need to remember they are meant to be impartial and not have emotion in the game, players are different as they have severe emotion in to the game, so antagonizing that by provoking is not acceptable from the refs.
I have seen a new one where refs are telling people to put their hands down. Campbell does this consistently, and I'm sorry but a player can raise their hands when talking just as long as its not in a threatening way.
Heard campbell threaten players a few weeks back to be reminded that at some stage they will be back on the court and he will be reffing. This is purely unacceptable as that is a threat that they will be treated differently when they return.
Loveforthegame
Years ago
You cannot say that players shouldn't do that even if provoked and let the refs go free from reprimand. Refs should be purely impartial and free of emotion towards a particular side.
Funny though
Throns - Stirling
Campbell - Joondalup
Do we know where the other refs allegiances lay?
Paul
Years ago
Loveofthegame, referees come from basketball associations. Your suggestion that because of that they show bias is small minded.
Jim
Years ago
All refs come from some association. This doesn't mean they are all going to favor that association.
Anon 1927 if you think it's ok to assault a ref 15 or 20 minutes after a game and in the car park then you have a sad outlook on life. Anarchy won't solve the problem. Refs should be held accountable for what they say and do. Players/clubs have a right to report things they find unacceptable.
Could you imagine the outcry if a ref belted a player because the player complained about bad calls or no calls too often?
Anon
Years ago
Where did he get assaulted? In his mind? Who said he was hit?
Anonymous
Years ago
I read that the guy took two swings at him and was restrained by Jarod. You don't have to be hit to be assaulted.
Anon
Years ago
Thats what Trengove wants everyone to believe what happened.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Definitely dont paint Trengrove out to be a saint in all this. A number of teams have been unhappy with him in recent weeks from most reports. he puts himself in these precarious positions.
Even Remmerswaals missus is in on the act. It's all happening today
Anon
Years ago
They should all be dirty, it was all based on the ref and his attitude and bias towards Lopez. If he wasn't being antagonistic there isn't any incidents. Plain and simple.
Wow...the short sightedness of some people on this forum. Sorry to say, but YOU people are the ones that won't see this game progress any further.
Do you know how hard a time almost ALL Australian leagues, including NBL and WNBL, have finding quality referees? And do you also know how little these referees get paid? And all the abuse they cop. Every single decision they make, some idiot who doesn't know the rules decides to pipe up, just because his team was called for a violation, or a foul, or wasn't . How sad is it, that these underpaid referees, who I can ASSURE you aren't doing it for the money, but because they enjoy the sport of basketball, have to cop abuse from not only adults, but those adults children who have learnt it from their parents, just because they saw it differently.
Trengove is no Houghton or Campbell. He was refereeing a blowout Magic v Suns game, that had no bearing on the Finals at all. My guess is the SBL probably put less capable refs on this game. He probably missed calls, he probably made calls that were incorrect. But guess what, that does not give ANYONE, player, spectator or coach, the right to threaten another human by telling them they'll find where they live, and then swing at them twice. This isn't even a rant about Lopez, he knows what he did was wrong. This rant is about you keyboard idiots above me, thinking that he got what he deserved for the way he refereed.
There is a process to follow if you want the league to get better officials. Giving him a couple in the car park is NOT that process. That's going to make Trengove quit, because $80 a game isnt worth his family being threatened. And you know who replaces him? A younger, more inexperienced and incompetent referee.
Have a think about that before you think its acceptable that threatening and physical violence is the answer for anything. Let's hope none of you have wives or girlfriends either, incase one of them gets you in a bad mood too.
It's like a little boys club of all the top kids who got bullied in high school taking it out on the jocks because they can. How would a player report and possibly win a report session against a referee?
NEVER because it would be their word vs the ref and no chance will campbell/diconza and the other top refs ever be told they did a naughty thing and they have to sit out a game.
And betting on SBL games can only make this better. Boozed up punters unhappy they lost a bundle on a red's call. How long before that happens.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
"....He was refereeing a blowout Magic v Suns game, that had no bearing on the Finals...My guess is the SBL probably put less capable refs on this game.."
Please. That is no excuse.
"..by telling them they'll find where they live, and then swing at them twice.."
I'm sorry, but were you there? Way to be short sighted as well.
"...thinking that he got what he deserved for the way he refereed. ..."
no one ever said that. people have said Trengrove simply didnt do himself any favors in the way he's conducted himself. No one said he "deserved" it.
You sound like a bitter mum.
League insider
Years ago
Why dont the refs union up then they will get paid more and the league cant have games if they dont have refs. And why are there not former players that ref?
@ Anon who went on a rant. I really don't believe anyone deserved what was done that night, and I think most peoples issues aren't with the quality of refereeing. They get abused and absolutely ridden all game most of the time, it would be extremely tough. I think most players have respect for the refs for the crap they go through.
What I see during games, the vast majority of issues come up when attitudes, ego and arrogance are introduced into the situation. Players are NOT paid for the most part and usually have an emotional investment in the game. Not to mention adrenaline and all that. Players over react to calls, it's almost impossible not to do so when you are in the heat of the moment.
Referee's are not in the same position. They sometimes may make the wrong call, which is COMPLETELY NORMAL. It becomes an issue when they taunt, antagonize and talk trash to players. The best referee's in the SBL are those that will have a conversation with a player, respectfully. Unfortunately it seems that this attitude is dying out with the younger referee's coming up. The quality of refereeing between a Bully, Houghton or Lyons is mainly in the way they can control a game and communicate with players.
It's a tough position for the SBL to be in. They really have no mechanism for accountability because if they push too hard they risk losing quality young referees.
@ Farrison Hord:
No I am not a bitter mum, but rather a 25 year old male. No I was not there, but I talked to Lopez about the incident, so yeah I know what happened.
It was implied that if you taunt and antagonize a player, then you should expect whats coming. THAT is what I don't agree with. If Trengove, Hughes, Grist, whoever, act like theyre bigger than the game (which I agree some of them do) then they should not be refereeing SBL. They should not be refereeing SBL via a complaint from the team outlining the issues and the SBL should perhaps demote him.
Maybe the SBL needs to put a stern word into the referees ears and if they don't pick it up, they get demoted to D-League (which runs the risk of them walking away all together). But threatening with violence sure isnt the answer.
There are some quality young referees coming up through DL, Bosnakis and Sokolich to name two, who are very good with their communication. I just hope this culture that its acceptable to abuse a referee doesn't deter them, otherwise we are just stuck with more Hughes' and Grist's because they get more and more bitter, and have more and more of a vendetta everytime someone gets in their ear.
I do think the REFS have a hard time forgetting the past and moving forward at times.
Speaking of betting..
Im surprised on comments below from Wolves coach.
Basically stating they will drop last game v Cougars if it means they will avoid Gero in the 2nd round..
Ofcourse this is pending final standings but still surprised a coach would publicly go down this path.
Adding the last sentence makes it look even more sinister.
So if Bucc's some how lock up 4th before next week then smart money will be on a wolves loss!!
We'll approach that last weekend looking at match ups and depending on who you are going to get in that first round, you don't want to have to go to Geraldton in the second round. We'll crunch the numbers and have a look at that, and we'll always go out trying to win the games obviously."
YEA! IF you could BET....since Sportsbet as started SBL bets....ONLY two (2) games have been on the board.
So I doubt it would even be available
"YEA! IF you could BET....since Sportsbet as started SBL bets....ONLY two (2) games have been on the board.
So I doubt it would even be available "
Sportsbet are useless try bet365 they have all games
Redbacks +9.5 v.s Wolves (TOTAL 205.5)
Lakeside +21.5 vs Tigers (TOTAL 191.5)
I would be going WOLVES / LAKESIDE
Sportsbet
Years ago
I just put my paycheck on Lakeside and the points and the Wolves boom!!!!!
WOMENS LINES TONIGHT
Redbacks +8.5 vs Wolves (131.5 TOTAL)
Lakeside +11.5 vs Tigers (148.5 TOTAL )
SPORTSBET...SHOW US THE TICKET??
HAHA...i found these on BET365
Big game Wolves Cockburn At Cockburn Who will win
Winner plays Gero
Wolves -11.5 WON by 23 (12) Under
Tigers -21.5 WON by 3 (18) OVER
Stirling -9.5 WON by 12 (3) OVER by 12 pts
Gero -11.5 WON by 18 (7) Under by 8 pts
Flames -4.5 WON by 3 (1) Under by 12 pts
Redbacks -16.5 Won by 15 (1) Under by 17 pts
Betting on the SBL...interesting looking out how they did as a betting service.
Actually impressed. Last two games on the board...1 pts difference.
Lightning hit a shot in the final seconds to COVER make the difference 15 pts instead of 17 (spread was 16.5)
Investigation begins!!
Anon 2152
Above not quiet true.
With the Cougars V Wolves on the Friday night this will at least keep everyone some what honest.
The winner will secure 1st spot and the loser 2nd spot but the Redback/Tigers game on Saturday will decide everyone's fate.
You expect Flames (v Eagles), Senators (v Magic) and Buccs (v Lakeside) to all win.
If Tigers win they get 3rd (H2H over Buccs).
If Tigers lose they will drop to 6th,
(Flames 4th,Senators 5th) and face a 1/4 final match up with Buccs.
So very big game for the Tigers, they will have more to play for seeing Redbacks position in 7th is basically set.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Easily the most exciting time of the year!
Perry Lakes 'should' knock off Suns & end East Perth's season. Then jostling of positions as mentioned above!
The women's only vacant position is 8th! Cant see Suns or Cougars winning their last round games, which would give the Cougs (& MVP fav - Candace Williams! lol) the nod due to H2H. Lynx equipped (and funded) Suns will miss out.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Do you think Suns could afford a Lynx DP, 2x players (1x an opals squad member) and an import without a Lynx kick back? PRetty unlikely
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Does that mean willo- thomlinson
wolves- wisher
flames-bourne- whitcombe
hawkes - antonio
are all getting kick backs from lynx.
Bullshit if they are,
Its crap even if Suns are.
Why dont lynx help the whole league instead of just one team.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
No idea about the other clubs or players mentioned. but there had to be some incentive asides from trying to win back another lynx contract for some.
mijovic i imagine would have had all sorts of off-season offers on the table but somehow ends up heading to the hills
Suns are 100% not getting any contribution from Lynx. Sponsors have kicked in.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
^^ fair enough. they'd want to hope they make finals then!
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Well are Lynx kicking in or not and if they are who decides what club they go to.
Watcher
Years ago
Pretty sure that the Lynx are not helping some/any clubs. Pretty sure that Flames are not subsidised. Then again they bought Whitcomb out not Lynx and also Bourne played with them for ages before she got a Lynx contract. Think the Lynx try to sway where the players go though so there may be some favouritism with some clubs. Some of the other Lynx players are playing at their junior club too. Lynx barely have enough money to support themselves without them supporting any SBL club.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Which lynx players are playing at there junior clubs.
Are you sure or pretty sure watcher.
You think! the Lynx try to sway where their players go.
They wouldnt have any pull on were they unless they were subsidising the player.
senators women can still grab 8th spot , they have the spread on both cockburn and suns. magic finish 5th despite their result on sat night and will play the hawks.
Lynx definitely do not subsidize Mijovic with Suns. They do have input into where they play but ultimately it is their discretion.
Nobody outside of the player and organisation know the timelines and schedules of their WNBL contracts.
Bit of a stupid discussion really - unless anyone is willing to post proof or knows for sure what is going on.. I would be shocked if the Lynx are providing any financial incentive to clubs to take on Lynx players.
So there is one round left in the 48 minute era of the WA SBL. Bit sad really. I wonder how often we will see the 51 point explosions like Nichols had with a shorter game.
How is everyone feeling about the change?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
If i had emoji's here i would give it a giant thumbs down.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
All you will need from next season on is 2 good imports and 5 good locals because everyone will only be going seven deep.
D league will be nearly as entertaining as sbl because everyone will be wanting to play
Wolves / Cougars FRIDAY NIGHT
I would expect the Tigers to get up over Redbacks on Saturday night....in saying that...The 1 seed (winner of wolves/cougars) will be in the same bracket as Gero.
1-
8-Hawks
4-Gero
5-Flames
3-Tigers
6-Stirling
2-
7-Redbacks
Makes you wonder if Flames LOSE to get the 6th seed and Stirling the 5th.
There is a reason teams are where they are. Its not the NBA and teams don't blow games throughout the year. So Gero being in 4th or 5th is why they are there, they don't magically become title favourites cause people say they are. Why would Flames blow a game to play Willo rather than Gero? Willo are 3rd for a reason and have beaten Gero twice.
Wolves and Cougars will both be playing at full tilt almost as Cougars still have some outs. But end of the day every team wants to be higher up as possible. Cougars will take on all comers regardless of Gero. Playing in an amazing atmosphere is more fun anyway.
I know that Joondalup will be happy to do the same also regardless of what Ettridge says on media. Hes that arrogant that I don't think he will give up 1st especially seeing as though it wont make a difference as its up to the rest of the league to drop games or win games to change the ladder and who they play.
Tigers vs Stirling will be the most intriguing series first round as two great teams going at each other with many match up issues both ways.
Fair comment. Some teams perfer playing in the CITY where they can get 100 + Fans instead of going to GERO where they will have 5-10 people supporting them.
I dont think any teams would lose on purpose though. They may substitute a little quicker at times but come mid-way 3rd quarter things change if games a chance.
Gero and Kalgoorlie are the two fun trips of the year for the players to get away and bond together and let loose after a win or a loss regardless.
Always a fun time. In this case I do find it funny that no one is giving 5th place a chance to beat Gero.
I do think Rocko matches up with them! Rocko has to make shots and play top level basketball to have a chance though. Cooper Land getting 30+ every night is a big ask vs Barrow. I do love ROCKO's basketball IQ and this can go along ways!
ps: how fun has this year's SBL been?! I know year in year out we always bag the SBL and have our own opinions on how it should be run, but I mean, this league has given us a lot of entertainment and enjoyment for the last 3 months ya know??
WSBL has arguably some of the best talent we've ever had, with all the lynx players involved. MSBL with all the returning guys like Davis, Holmen, Nichols and Lane, plus additions of Goode, Alexander, Setty. Any team really could win against anyone with Suns and Lightning troubling some of the top guys.
i really think its been one of the better season, and with the SBL trying to boost social media, with all the player of the week stuff and SBL ASG.
Credit where its due, far from perfect but maybe a small step in the right direction. I think anyway.
Setty is a good player, just on a terrible team with an even worse coach
He is not terrible as was predicted in the pre season tournament. But he certainly isn't in the same category as Goode and Alexander.
Some Setty Stats:
30/17
41/18
15/11
27/5
22/11
26/7
30/11
23/13
36/9
45/12
25/10
28/17
45/11/11
30/7
cmon guys, he aint the best, but he sure aint a dud. 6th in scoring is alright.
He has had a very solid season for a struggling team.
has mijovic and adams appealed . both need to win ?
I would think if there was an appeal it would be heard tonight, but they've already served a week each so I'm guessing nothing went ahead
Interesting, Taylor and Cooper Land not returning next season.
Only in a parking lot where nobody can see though right?
Yer the SBL's social media presence has definitely been better. Even their instagram is funny sometimes
Insider
Years ago
Love those guys some of the best personalities in the league going on at least 5 years now
nice article / interview with Sam Oatman from Lakeside from the SBL
After being the powerhouse of the league for a number of years with some talented and highly experienced locals its interesting to hear about the next crop of guys coming through there.
Will be an interesting offseason for them seeing how they recruit and who comes back improved from their roster this year
Anonymous
Years ago
Perry Lakes were the powerhouse before Lakeside. They haven't been able to contend for quite a few years now. Got into the finals a bit, but not realistic chances of getting to a GF since about 2016. Has their junior program let them down? Lakeside seem to have a number of their juniors coming through, albeit some are from other clubs. Don't know how many young guys PL have coming through that will form a solid nucleus of locals. I would reckon a club with some money and a decent junior program should be able to build a side to contend in less than ten years. Any thoughts?
AYYYY itd only be a matter of time before my boy Funches got noticed. Tigers making a splash now bruh, only team to take Gero twice, how about that?! come to the Cage get murked 10-1 at home bOY!!! shout out, Chuck Funches bruh I told you dont sleep on him
Anon
Years ago
These clubs need to think about a change in coach to make the most of the youth but to also recruit the right veterans to give a good mix and to continue to develop the youth whilst also regaining "power club" status.
Look at Coach Parsons he didn't have much to work with money and departures at Cockburn, and regardless of tomorrow nights result has secured them a top 2 position with the right mix of players. This will surely secure him COY for the second year running.
Insider
Years ago
Perry Lakes finished 2nd with Dennis as coach and would of won if he was still around for that whole season in 2013. Just sayin but I get your point. The key is getting a strong contingent of locals from early 20s to late 20's sprinkle in a couple of vets then you will be a powerhouse.
Perry Lakes were the powerhouse before Lakeside, then it was Lakeside and now it is Wolves.
The Hawks and Lakeside teams interestingly were mostly players who developed within their local club. The Wolves took a different route and recruited heavily from Stirling and a few other players and mixed them with locals.
Anon Im not sure what you mean by these clubs should change coaches? Oatman is in his first year so havent they just changed coaches from Olley?
Nix has a few seasons under his belt now so maybe that might what you are referring to?
If Tigers managed to lure Hayden Noordhoek, Jake Burston, Corey Shervill, Michael Garbellini, Matt Selby and Lachlan Kleppe back to the club and retained Josh Johnson, Andrew Black, Lachlan Evans and Mikey Collins with Loch Cummings in the college wings that is a pretty talented bunch of local talent that are Tiger juniors who they could develop into a powerhouse for years to come. It seems like S. Black is doing a really good job with the current group since taking over from A. Black.
Burston and Noordhoek are having too much fun rating soups and wines to come back to basketball. Though they dominate their local league still.
Selby has a terrible attitude and Evans does too a bit from all the state teams he made growing up. But Selby is shocking.
Sherville on the other hand was a huge loss and he is a big that has some upside I think. Kid seems willing to learn. Frank Johnson was another than left Willetton and he's done well in DL. If Mikey Collins puts on some mass, he could be decent, but he's too Daniel Casey-esque for my liking.
Agree that S Black is doing well.
Heard from an unreliable source that Daniel Johnson wants to finish off playing SBL for the Tigers. Go figure..
The key to an SBL dynasty is to have a core group of good local players "stick around" for an extended period then top up with 1 or 2 quality imports.
The early 2000s Hawks sides were blessed with a very talented core group of players who developed from juniors and went all the way through to the point of being veterans.
Same story for the Stewart Lakeside teams. Though their core group of locals probably weren't as talented as the Hawks locals were, they made up for this by getting 2 of the best imports in the league every year. Lakeside would not have had the same success without the Paynes, Berrans etc returning for multiple years. I would also say they had a game style/system that was very unique with some of the best role players in the league.
Wolves are a different story. While they do seem to have built a strong culture the core of the team has come from other clubs (Illiadis, Huntington, Salenis - Stirling... Timms, Questrel - Suns... Robbins - Wildcats ... and imports). Hire and Matacz the only 2 "locals" who I'd say are real difference makers. Not saying there is anything wrong with this - just pointing out facts. Obviously culture, coaching, $ etc all play a part when a player decides to move clubs.
Another issue these days that you probably didn't experience as much 10 or even 5 years ago is talented juniors going off to play college basketball.
With the game moving to 10 min quarters from next season I feel the importance of having a core group of 3-4 good local players stick around long term will be even more important to sustained success.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
The formula is constantly changing. There is no right 'theory' behind it. As long as you have your roster well balanced and on the same page, then you can consider yourself half a chance for success.
having what you class as local to the club players is viewed favorably by the majority, but not essential to creating success at the SBL level when its said and done
SBL FINAL WEEKEND....
2 lines have been released on BET365
Cougars -2.5
Wolves 201.5
Hawks -13.5
Suns 223.5
What we tipping?...Cougars / Under Hawks / Over
If Tigers were able to secure DJ to finish off his career there it would push them into unquestionable contenders if they could retain Kyle, Scott, Bowie, Cody and Josh Johnson.
THat would give them an extremely good top 6. Throw in another role player or two and they would be set.
Seeing the difference Tom Jervis makes to a very mediocre Eagles team, adding DJ who is a far better player than Jervis to an already talented lineup would be pretty scary.
MR SBL (RANDOM) Bring your VEGAS knowledge.
Saturday nights games...
Lakeside @ Gero - Gero -22.5
Eagles @ Flames- Flames -8.5
Slammers @ Giants- Giants -6.5
Perth @ Tigers - Tigers 7.5
Stirling @ Magic - Stirling -13.5
Insider
Years ago
Lakeside covers
Not touching that Eagles game
Slammers cover
Tigers cover
Stirling def covers
These arent official LINES...I was just predicting roughly what they would be.
Be interesting if they offer lines on all of these games?
Few players may not play could effect lines big time.
I wonder if Bet 365 were aware of Ettridge comments if they would still be taking bets on this game....
Sunday
Years ago
Obviously never seen Lopez fight. KO'd many out and about in the Perth club scene.
Obviously we don't care. Never seen him on an SBL court and not likely to ever again.
BET 365
Line Results
Cougars 1.66
Wolves 2.10
Hawks 1.11
Suns 5.75
please... Houghton's kids play for Willetton, Paul Throns referees Josh, Morgan referees and coaches at PLH. Byrnes probably refereeing Lakeside games.
Impossible to go through a season and not have a clash/perceived unfair appointment.
Anonnnn
Years ago
Morgan coaches at perry lakes? God help those children
Anon
Years ago
Any truth to Ettridge verbally abusing people after the Cougars Wolves game last night?
Mike
Years ago
Think I will follow the SBL more closely next season. Just out of curiousity, do supporters ever travel around to other venues to watch their team? Like a travelling supporters group or something similar? It could be fun if you had some mates to do it with.
Farr Kit
Years ago
The Perry Lakes supporters hire a luxury coach to go to away games. They drink their chardonnay, eat horse dooovers and talk about their investments on the way to the game. On the way home they drink warm beer and eat shit sandwiches 'cos their team always looses.
Anonymous
Years ago
I was at the Cockburn vs Joondalup game last night as a mutual supporter sitting mid court. Ettridge confronted Parsons and his assistant coach Ettridge was acting like a sore loser and continuously swearing at them from afar trying to get Parsons and his assistants to bite but it clearly did not work.
Sad that some people measure a persons success by their accolades. No doubt Ettridge can coach, but man...I'd hate to have his life if it meant I was a shit person. Don't worry, once it's all said and done the only time people will mention his name is when they're talking about bad blokes.
How sad it would be for the little Wolf pups to lose the GF. And you can bet Ettridge will find something else to blame the loss on. Here's to hoping Tigers lose tonight so Wolves have to play Gero in the second round #karma
All the results going the way we expected, Finals predictions?:
Cougars def PLH : 2-1
Wolves def Redbacks : 2-0
Tigers def Senators : 2-1
Buccs def Flames : 2-0
Farr kit
Years ago
Good luck to all teams headed into the finals, hehe seriously some good match ups first round. Could be a lot of upsets. So happy for every team this year really putting together a great season. 1 through 14 great job.
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Love the positivity but...What did I just read...
Cougars should sweep PL
Wolves should sweep Perth, but if vigor comes back in in the same form he was in before injury it might goto three. Doubtful though.
Tigers and Senators is a coin flip. Polar opposite teams..
Flames beat buccs 2-1
Unlikely Flames will do it in 3. If they do it it'll be snagging one here next weekend and then the Sat night up in Gero. No way Flames will win a game 3 with the entire town in the Shed.
Josh G
Years ago
@Farr Kit
Invest in gold and lithium,
if that doesnt work suck my D.
Flames will do what the Giants did last season!!!
Flames in 2
At least this is what I hope happens.
Be very interested in Lukosious' take on the Giants Slammers game. Looked to be a remarkable game based on the live stats. Obviously Nichols exploded for the biggest score in 6-7 years in the SBL. But the giants out rebounded the Slammers by 30 and had 15 more shots.. But the slammers hit a ridiculous 27 3's. Not to mention Holmen going out with 46 himself.
All in basically a game that was played for nothing but pride. Gotta love the SBL.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
MSBL
Cougars def PLH 2-0
Wolves def Redbacks 2-0
Tigers def Senators 2-0
Buccs def Flames 2-1
WSBL
Joondalup def Cockburn 2-0
Rockingham def Perth 2-1
Willetton def Lakeside 2-0
Perry Lakes def Mandurah 2-1
Good luck all! Should be some interesting games!
Farrison, I find your Rockingham and Willeton predictions odd. Care to elaborate? I personally think redbacks will struggle and go down 2-0 and see Lakeside stealing at least 1 game.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I'm going to presume you are talking about the women's tips then?
Going with the hunch that Rockingham are no guarantee for their "big 3" (whitcomb/garbin/Ibekwe) to all be on the floor (I know that's a big if) & its playoffs - there will be an upset of sorts somewhere, so i'm taking the gamble on this series that they/Perth might pinch a game
Lakeside i do not believe are anywhere near as good as advertised. Outside of Schwags & Grant its a steep drop off.
I have doubts on Vigor playing.
You think if he was even close they would have gave him a 10-15min run last weekend to get some rust out considering it was ultimately a "nothing"game for them.
Fact they didn't I think he is still a couple weeks away.
Maybe they could bring him back for game 2 at home?
Either way Wolves in 2.
Yes Farrison, sorry should have clarified. Interesting - thanks. Are there rumours of some of Flames womens stars not being available?
Sunday
Years ago
Purser and Garlepp expecting their first baby together. Going to be one horrendous looking child.
Insider
Years ago
Tre Nichols had 19 at Halftime of the Kal game. Crazy 41 points in 2nd half.
Trey hit numerous shots from at least a meter behind the 3pt line and with a decent contest from the Giants defenders. He did have a few open looks on breakdowns at times which could of zoned him in. Giants they better team on paper especially with No Worthington/Crouch.
Exciting up and down basketball game to watch though redardless of the result.
they pay well in Kalgoorlie , maybe tre was trying to say something to the Kalgoorlie heirachy as I had heard a rumour pre-season that tre was heading to the goldfields. don't sit on your hands to long this time lukisious
Tre was never in consideration to come to Kalgoorlie. FALSE there buddy
Anonymous
Years ago
Plus 1 for that false rumour remark - Giants never went after an import PG.
On the flipside, it was a great game that i was lucky enough to be at to witness the best shooting display by Tre and the biggest contested dunk by Kenny in recent memory - great crowd support as well.
Sunday
Years ago
Tre be going to JD Da Barber to get lined up nahmsayin, thats why he rainin dem 3s.
Jim
Years ago
@rinse. Well done mate. You've beaten some out and out champions.
with the finals starting on Friday I thought I would look at some match ups that will shape the series and determine the winner of each game .
MSBL.
tigers vs senators
wroes ability to shut down either scott/armour.
cougars vs hawks
hobbs vs D.T
goodes vs carwell - awesome match up
flames vs buccs
without question t-land Jackson hussy. who wins this match up determines which side wins.
wolves vs redbacks.
demunyek vs illiadis/salinas
WSBL
tigers vs lightning.
Kelly vs grant - if Kelly shuts her down they wont put up a score schmaeyer will get her points.
flamesvs redbacks
whitcomb vs benson
hawks vs magic
old school classic smith vs miholivich
wolves vs cougars
wischer vs Williams.
cant wait should be plenty of stories to come out of this w-end.
Surely flames are going to have Land on Adekponya. I would let Hussey have his hard earned 20 with Godfrey (who's no slouch defensively either) and hold Adekponya to a lower %. He is the key to the buccs.
Cougars vs Perry lakes
Split the season with strangely both teams winning on the other's home court by 12points.
Last time they met: Round 18. Hawks by 12pts.
Cougars were without Field/Thomas and McIntyre.
Hawks without Hickert.
Even with above players missing Im sure Hawks will draw alot of confidence from that win.
Cougars ofcourse are a different beast with Field/Thomas and McIntrye in the line up.
Goodes/Carwell will be a great match up to watch.
Lane will need to do a job on Hobbs as he is hitting some nice form of late.
Cougars should have too much depth all over the court.
Winning at home by 15pts.
Interesting fact - Hawks are the only team to beat the Cougars since a loss to Bucc's (by 3pts) back on 14th May.
Wolves vs Redbacks
Wolves swept the season series with two easy 38pt and 28pt wins.
Last time they met: Round 19. Wolves at home by 28pts.
Redbacks without Vigor
Wolves without Matacz
Redbacks would need everything to go right which includes Vigor not only playing but playing very well to be any sort of chance.
Wolves havent dropped a game at home all year and this won’t change this weekend.
Wolves by 20+
Interesting fact - In round 19 Redbacks were held to just 7pts in the 4th Quarter by the Wolves, there lowest quarter tally of the season.
Tigers vs Senators
Series split 1-1 with both teams winning at home (Tigers by 14 in round 2, Senators by 11 in round 8).
Last game was way back in round 8
Both teams at full strength but it was only Chuck Funches second game for the club.
Tigers while they have been getting the job done, have not been over convincing of late.
Losses to Wolves and Flames and then just getting over the under strength Redbacks and Lakeside in week 19 and 20.
Senators have been much of the same, 5 weeks ago looked set for a top 4 finish and a serious challenger in 2016.
Since then they have beaten lowly Mandurah, split games with Eagles, beaten Hawks by just the 5pts and dropped games to Wolves/Cougars and Flames.
Tiger should make the most of the home court and get the win by 8pts.
Interesting fact - Last time Tigers lost at home was way back on 8th April
Bucc's vs Flames - Match of the series
Series split 1-1. Both teams winning at home. (Bucc's by 6 in round 5, The Flames by 11 in round 10)
Buccs - Samuelson was playing, however have since upgraded to Hussey
Flames - N.Franich now injured with more minutes going to J.Beard which is working out well.
Bowman also now playing.
Flames match up well with Bucc's and by memory were leading by 20+ in the last game they played at the hothouse.
C.Pal very important on the boards and I think he has Wunders measure.
Hussey and Godfrey be great match up.
Cooper land and Barrows.
Maybe need an extra ref to watch over wit T.Land and Cook.
Flames will win at home by single figures.
Interesting Fact - Carter Cook has scored just 6pts and 8pts against the Flames this year, which was almost matched by his combined 11 fouls.
Cody didn't play last Stirling game v Willeton. Woodbury did but he is now disappeared off Stirling's roster
Manigault Fan
Years ago
Manigaults dunk from the weekend.
https://www.facebook.com/GoldfieldsGiants/videos/975427789236484/
Have the Redbacks made any public statements about what went down with Ash Gilmore? Heard whispers there was major issues between players/coaches and Gilmore.
Interesting... Hire possibly unavailable for the SBL Grand Final.
anonymous
Years ago
Wolfpack Basketball getting a bit ahead of themselves with their club statement
This is purely just a ploy to make people think he wont play. Who cares about it anyway. If he plays he plays if he doesn't he doesn't. Typical Joondalup thinking they are concerning people, like "My god, Hire wont play, the end of the world is near". Wouldn't surprise me if the other import comes back just in time too.
More irrelevant mind games from the Wolves, Ettridge is probably behind it still dirty he didnt win the minor flag
Considering the Redbacks got rolled both games against the Wolves I give them little chance to get through.
Anonymous
Years ago
Wolves may get thru the Redbacks but a sterner test lies ahead. Hope somebody beats the conceited pricks.
To make Grand Final 2016 MSBL
Wolves - $1.35
Cougars - $1.90
Bucc's - $2.75
Tigers - $8.00
Flames - $12.00
Senators $12.00
Redbacks - $15.00
Perry Lakes -$21.00
Julian Pesava surely in the conversation for most improved? Not a huge increase in minutes either
No one from Kalamunda should be winning anything this year. The fact you people think that the improvement in numbers is directly from actually improving, proves the basketball knowledge in here is atrocious.
Put Tim Squires on any squad above 500. and he barely hits the court. Just cause numbers go up, to me does not mean you have actually improved as a player, statistically yes, but not in skill or game ability. Why not give Michael Clarke Coach of the Year whilst we are at it.
The fact that you say that 100% guarantee's you haven't watched any suns games. Put Squire on almost any other team and he's a solid rotation 1/2 guard if not a starter.
He won't win the MIP though, he didn't play last season.
Anonymous
Years ago
I agree ^^^ it's the same with the prediction about Matt Vinci he left a top team Cockburn to chase more minutes which he has accomplished but that doesn't make him most improved
Tigers 9.5 pt favorites vs Stirling tonight.
I would take Stirling here!!
koberulz
Years ago
No Ticketmaster pre-sale for grand final tickets this year? Seems like they just went on sale to the general public this morning, no advance notice whatsoever.
Not to mention Forde got his stats wrong. Vinci hasn't avg'd 10 ppg or whatever he said. Something closer to 4-5pg
squires dooes not come close to being a first bench player on any of the top 8 teams.
interesting that Squire is still on the same court as these players on the above .500 rosters and they cant stop him scoring? I guess they are all just so much better than him.
It is the most improved player award.
Not the most improved player on a winning team award.
looking at the numbers it is hard to argue that he isnt at least in the mix.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
The pre-sale hasnt ever really been necessary to be fair.
I didnt have any issue with just a general release this morning. The people who would get pre-sale would have been all over it anyway.
In regard to MIP - both Tim Squire & have every right to be in the conversation. Squire has genuine claims at the award, Vinci not so much however.
Charles Thurkle should definitely be in the MIP conversation
Chan and Holmes left Cockburn went to Kalamunda and their numbers went through the roof, in the games Seva played this year, what are his numbers?
9 ppg, 3 rpg, 5 apg And seva is much better than squires, much much better. Seva is on an average Lakeside team and his numbers have decreased dramatically from the year at the Suns. He worked his butt off pre season as well and his numbers took a big hit cause he was on a half decent team this year.
Squires wouldnt start over Chan, Nichols, Tupea, Hobbs, Thomas, Wagner, Questral, Land, Hussey, Bruton, Armour, Jackson, Godfrey, Lane, Dixon, Ralph, Illiadis, Scott to just name a few, smoking the good stuff if you think otherwise.
Juan
Years ago
How does one start to get familiar with SBL.. have no idea how you guys are following it so closely.
Juan
Years ago
Nevermind, found the SBL site. Might check out some games one day.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Your silly for even comparing Tim Squire to names you just threw out there.
nobody has said he is top tier PG/SG or even the best. That said, he is still a talented player.
Based on his numbers the last time he played SBL basketball (missing a season is irrelevant), he is clearly one of the most improved.
Its not a player comparison contest.
To back up what someone else stated. They said funny how hes on the same court as these other guys and they cant stop him? The style of play allows for shots to just be jacked up and i mean jacked up.
Funny how he can't stop the other guys from dropping big numbers on him right?? the teams record and how good his team is has everything to do with how much they have improved.
If you go from jacking up 2 shots per game and getting 2 minutes to then averaging 15 shots per game and 30 minutes then yes your numbers should improve but have they improved? Jacking up shots you are bound to make them. Coburn played on a decent team last year and has improved well, Pesava was on a top 4 team last year and now this year on the top team and has improved.
Put squires on either of those teams next year and he doesn't average 15ppg or even get 10 minutes per game.
"interesting that Squire is still on the same court as these players on the above .500 rosters and they cant stop him scoring? I guess they are all just so much better than him"
Posted by Anonymous
That is where the comparisons have come from!
Farrison Hord
Years ago
guess what, he isnt on any of those teams.
hypothetical's have no relevance.
koberulz
Years ago
The pre-sale hasnt ever really been necessary to be fair.Sure, I just found it odd given there's been one in previous years. Wasn't sure if I'd just missed the email or something.
I didnt have any issue with just a general release this morning. The people who would get pre-sale would have been all over it anyway.
Would've at least liked a 'tickets will be on sale 9am tomorrow' or something though. As it is, I checked Twitter around 10.30 and got good seats, so no big deal, but just in general it seems like it'd be a good idea.
I wonder if there was anything on the Ticketmaster website before today?
Jayden Coburn and Julian Pesava are the only two deserving of most improved.
On Seva Chan
"He worked his butt off pre season as well and his numbers took a big hit cause he was on a half decent team this year"
Chan completed probably no more than 2 pre season sessions before competing in the Blitz
Seva Chan worked his butt off daily at Lakeside, maybe not team training sessions, but he was at Lakeside during the day damn near every day working with Julian Pesava and others and of course his father.
Wow a lot of nonsense posted here. Comparing Suns Chan and Lakeside Chan is apples and oranges. One is a fit and healthy player one is someone who has had an injury riddled season.
Personally I think there are others you could include along with Coburn and Pesava. Litterick, Pal, Squire, Ironmonger would have been in the conversation.
Even a guy like Ben Smith (redbacks).. his season last year was very poor for him and he has been completely lights out this year.
Funches and Bowie. Going off tonight, watch and you'll say thanks after. tiger tough gonna make a statement tonight. 3 C's boys, Confidence, courage, commitment and Courage. FUNCHES about to put ya boy Ellis on a poster..Bowie gonna make CorbZ run through the 6 with his WROES hahha
^^ 50% right gets you a pass mark. Bowie went off but Funches didn't. Funches actually had an amazing game and hustled off the ball and made some huge defensive plays at crucial times. He helped the Tigers out big time when they were struggling to get a rhythm.
Once they hit the 3rd, Bowie caught fire. It was game over then.
Bruton and Wroe played decent but Armour outshone them all, getting to the basket with ease.
Coburn had a game to forget, to go with his long forgotten defense.
Referees called a lot of off ball fouls, but boring to watch but was consistent.
Anon
Years ago
Interesting game 1s tonight
Wolves without Salinas (U18 Schoolboys)
Buccs without Adekponya (Based off his Instagram he is off to Rio)
Bet365 line Hawks (+13.5) vs Cougars
Redbacks women are going to get smashed out of the finals if they lose the rebound count by 30 again. Need Gilmore back
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Good comeback by the Hawks in the fourth, good chance at taking game 2 at home
R@nD0m
Years ago
Just a quick update - Game 1 of the Flames Buccs series has been postponed until 12pm tomorrow arvo at Mike Barnett. It will be free entry to all spectators
I must say it's pretty poor form by some of the Buccs supporters to bombard the Flames Facebook page complaining about the lack of refunds tonight. The reason for the power outage tonight was a fatal car accident in the vicinity of the stadium.
Sometimes there are more important issues to worry about or be mindful of rather than complaining about a refund which the majority of other clubs or sporting codes for that matter, usually wouldn't give a refund for.
koberulz
Years ago
Really? I don't think expecting a refund of a ticket for an event that's been canceled/postponed is at all unreasonable.
Really?
1 - the game is on tomorrow, free for anyone who comes down
2 - SOMEONE DIED!
Some people! Have some respect
koberulz
Years ago
1 - some people may be unable to make it tomorrow.
2 - okay, whoever killed them shouldn't get a refund.
Not really sure how that affects anyone else though? It's not like the choice was between offering refunds and saving that person's life, presumably.
Now, if people were upset about the game not going ahead, then sure. But that's not what we're talking about.
R@nD0m
Years ago
Kobe...ever been to a sports event where it was rained out? You get free entry to a Game later in the season.
There are 7 children who were in that accident tonight, I hope for your sake you show more compassion if that were one of your relatives than you are showing for this poor man and the kids who will always remember this event for the rest of their lives
You may be heartless but one of the major mottos of our club is #FlamesFamily. That doesn't just mean we only care about those that are directly involved our club down here, but also when tragic events like this occur, it effects all of us down here - we are one club who proudly represent one community.
If $10 means more to you than that of another humans life, maybe you need to question your own personal morals... Not those of our club
koberulz
Years ago
Again, I'm not sure where the binary is coming from. The refunds, or lack thereof, is in no way tied to the crash.
Was there any link between the crash and the game other than the power outage?
Look, if this were a situation where the power had been fine but you as a club had decided to postpone the game anyway, out of respect, I could see why you might tie those things together. But as it is, I don't see the link.
And is it $10? I was told prices went up to $15 for playoffs, but I don't remember that being the case last year. Is it determined separately by each club or is it a new thing this season?
koberulz.......worst human ever
Who mocks an incident where someone dies 5 hours after it happens over a $10 refund?
As for the Gero fans who complained on Facebook, stay classy!!
Name and shame random
koberulz
Years ago
Who mocks an incident where someone dies 5 hours after it happens over a $10 refund?I don't know. I certainly haven't seen it happen.
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
Both the Wolves-Redbacks and Bucs-Flames live stats freezing in the fourth quarter #ClassicSBL
Back to the basketball...
Flames will be kicking themselves to let that game go. 15 point lead heading into the fourth and lose by 2 to Gero without Adekponya.. Going to be tough for them now to go into Gero and win two especially if Adekponya returns.
Anoneee
Years ago
I'm really not seeing the connection between wanting a refund for a non-event and therefore being heartless and not caring that a tragic accident has occurred.
If someone was unable to attend today they should have gotten a full refund. Doing that does not diminish a Club being about community or lessen the loss of the people involved in the crash.
The 2 things are not inter-related or connected.
Fair to say Rockingham mens are probably done. Losing in the 4th after out rebounding and getting 23 more shots than Gero without Adekpoknya
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Monster 4th quarter by Geraldton/Jackson Hussey
Pretty sure the Rockingham faithful just saw the Land brothers for the last time.
If Akeponya is still away I give them a sneaky chance game 2, but near impossible toi win 2 games back to back in Geraldton.
Interesting weekend
Flames blowing a 19pt, 4th quarter lead.
Cougars up 16pts with 1:18 to play and just hang on.
Vigor back for Redbacks, they will be a big chance at home in game 2.
C.Ellis will look to bounce back after quiet game 2.
WSBL.
I think both the cougars and redbacks are gone in their series . the lightning might be mentally scarred after their second half effort against the tigers Friday night but could be a sneaky chance.
the hawks/ magic very much alive - game going down to the wire in game 1. if it does go to game 3 it will be interesting how smith recovers for the hawks and how miholovich recovers for the magic.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
^^
probably right about Cockburn & Perth. Too deep down the hole now one would think.
Cant see Lakeside recovering from a 14 point second half to take a game off Willetton.
Mandurah/Perry lakes could get interesting. Mandurah have the talent & enough experience to pinch two games this weekend.
Mens:
Should be sweeps all round.
koberulz
Years ago
You realise each of those women's teams has only lost one game, right? Doesn't matter what the margin is, or how bad a half they might have had.
Mens:Joondalup weren't all that convincing Saturday night. The Redbacks had a couple of bad patches and shot about 15% from the line, or it would've been a very close game.
Should be sweeps all round.
Give Vigor an extra week of recovery, and they're a good chance for game two.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Sorry King Kobe i forgot no one else is allowed to have an opinion other than yours.
Its a fairly safe assumption Cockburn & Perth (WSBL) are facing an extraordinary uphill battle to come back from being down 0-1 against the 1 and 2 sides.
I still cant see Perth (MSBL) getting over Joondalup irrespective of Vigor's health. Just bad timing for them.
Perth cannot cover Illiadis and the front court isnt really troubled for the Wolves.
koberulz
Years ago
I happen to agree with you about the Cockburn women - didn't see the Redbacks women so I can't comment there - I just find 'too deep down the hole' an odd phrase to use. They're in the shallowest possible hole.
You can't see them getting over Joondalup for the series, or at all? The former is more understandable. But they were a few missed free-throws away from having a decent lead on a couple of occasions Saturday night, which in turn would have changed the game. As it was Joondalup were able to hold them at arm's length the entire game and never really needed to worry, it could be a different story with more scoreboard pressure.
And I'm not nitpicking one or two shots here, I wouldn't be surprised if their percentage was in the fifties. That won't happen twice.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
I've lost if you are talking about Joondalup missing free throws or Perth?
Perth still shot 70% to the wolves 59% & couldnt take advantage.
Perth had 3 players clock into 40 minute territory, the legs will get very tired come the 4th quarter, which looks like what may have happened.
koberulz
Years ago
Perth still shot 70% to the wolves 59% & couldnt take advantage.Really? Certainly looked the other way around on the night. I remember a stretch of about two minutes in which Thomas went 0-5.
Dexter
Years ago
Adekponya spotted at the Boomers vs Serbia game, is he coming back?
whats up with ash Gilmore, what a time for her not to play.-
Redbacks coach told her they didnt want/need her to play anymore.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Yer course he did, right before finals he told her he didnt want her or need her.
As for Adekponya return, hard to say.
Olympics B/ball medal games are same weekend as SBL semi-final week 1.
So if Boomers get to play off for the Bronze Medal maybe he hangs around for that but who really knows??
Would say he is likely back for game 1 of the semi finals, worst case be back for game 2/3 semi's.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
i am incredibly surprised the Buccs have even let Adekponya attend (unless it was a previously arranged item prior to signing). Chances suggest they will meet Joondalup in the second round, if he misses Game 1 the damage could be done upon he's return.
If he even returns.
buccs play cougars second round if both make it through and Rocko will see Adekponya this weekend as he is already due back. Anyone who thinks hes not is living on dream street. With or without him, they are beating both Rocko and the Cougars and could possibly see Wolves/Willo in the finals.
Stirling are done.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
whoops my mistake on that. I was thinking Buccs finished third for whatever reason.
lol Buccs will not be beating Cougars without Adekponya
Id even put money on them not beating Cougars with him!
Buccs are the best team in the league right now, and everyone knows it. Playing the best. Superstar Hussey is back from the USA and killing it and there is no way Thomas/Van Lit/Mcintyre can keep up with him.
Cook always plays well in finals time and Adekponya will be refreshed from a nice week or so relaxing in the Brazillian sun. Wundenberg will get under the skin of Goode and Barrow will bully Field around inside.
That series will be a sweep as the first game is played in front of the raucous crowd in Gero in which Gero already beat the Cougars without Hussey.
Adekponya's sister dates Aaron Baynes, this has been a planned trip for a while.
There is never any guarantees when it comes to Geraldton and finals basketball.
2011/2012 didn't play finals
2013 - Buccs (3) lost to Wolves (6)
2014 – Buccs (1) lost to Eagles (7)
2015 – Buccs (2) lost to Giants (7)
2016 - ??? Don’t count Flames out just yet!
aaron trahair is the last person you would see on a forum like this.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Adekponya to return Thursday according to Trahair in this weeks podcast.
With that i would think Rockingham's chances of an upset have been reduced dramatically
piston broke
Years ago
News out of Cockburn is that Gavin Field is out for the rest of the season and that coach Mat Parsons will not be coaching Cockburn Cougars next year.
Anonymous
Years ago
So where is Coach Parsons going?
Why would he leave Cockburn? they would be stupid to let him go
piston broke
Years ago
I believe that it is his choice to leave and is looking to coach elsewhere next season.
Insider
Years ago
Done with the politics maybe? However will be hard pressed to find a club that didn't have them.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
TVL strikes again i simply presume.
Cockburn has never been known to have a long tenured head coach....
TVL?
They might be able to squeak past PL without Field but Gero would be a bit tougher to do without their star.
Anonymous
Years ago
TVL & family the root of most of the drama so wouldn't be a surprise if they pushed another good person out of Cockburn
wow, wow, WOW. Need I say more. FUNCH master Flex had this game done before it even started. Nic Cody aka the Butcher made them clutch FTs at the end, n J Bowie just keeps on delivering y'all. This team is riding a wave of momentum and belief, and next up is a pack of young PUPs waiting to be torn apart.
Man I went saw Jungle Book. I saw what Sher Khan did to the top Wolf. He picked him off like a dam alphapha sprout. Which reminds me, my garden is slightly overgrown with weeds. Anyway. This series be done in 2 again. Scotty gonna catch fire and it be all over then. And Greg on HIRE-tus, mannnn...Charles about to do work.
Tigers 2-0 watch it happen.
He got his legs taken out in game 1 and tore ligaments in his elbow from the fall. He has had surgery on it and could be out for about 6 months.
Scary that Cockburn can still put 130 on the board without him
Anonymous
Years ago
Not that scary. They played Hawks where D is optional.
Isn't that the same injury that bogut had? Will field recover 100%. That's a nasty injury.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Bogut literally turned his elbow inside out. So more than likely no. 8 weeks or in around that sort of time frame i would imagine after a surgery.
Some good series ahead!
Cockburn v Geraldton
Joondalup v Willetton
&
Joondalup v Perry Lakes
Rockingham v Willetton
Would this be the first time in a while that the Top 4 (both men & women) have all actually advanced through the first round?
Cockburn have no chance without field. Gero are sweeping this series hands down.
Speaking with Gavin, he was told he was lucky he didnt do it as seriously as Bogut but is definitely looking at a very best 3 months out but probably closer to 5-6 months.
So which will be the better Semifinal Series
Wolves/Tigers
- This will go to 3 games. Wolves 2-1
Cougars/Buccs
-Game 1 in GERO is a huge advantage. It also allows Gero to be at home 2 weeks in a row following the Flames victory.
I dont see Cougars being able to stretch the floor enough without Gavin. Gero rebounds and Gero wins this series in 2 games!
I am not so sure. It is still a bad match up for Gero. They have nobody that will come close to stopping Goode.. Matt W is physical but Goode is just too big in that matchup. Also who guards Lane is an issue. Lane will also do a good job on Adekponya. Interesting to note that Field has played poorly in both match ups with the Buccs this year. At home the Cougars won easily by 15 and Buccs at home pulled out the thriller by 3, but they shot much better than the Cougars. Goode had 31/22 in the first and only 13 and 20 in the second.
Not that it matters, whichever team gets through is going to get killed by Wolves.
I agree, cockburn havent got enough fire power to handle the buccs.
Stirling Wolves will have a little too much for the Tigers, even without Hire.
I would love to see Ettirdge face if they are bundled out.
the question is from cockburn and gero is who guards who? Hussey will destroy Thomas in that match up and cook will be guarded by mcyintyre or della, that is all over for either one of them.
Who does Pesava match up on? Ralph is too big for Pesava. the only advantage they have is Goode and even then Wundenberg is tough.
Disagree - Mcintyre can handle Cook easily - he will out work him. Della and Ralph are different players but both effective, almost cancel each out. Hussey Thomas is a big win for Gero
Interesting when Tigers and Wolves met each other during the year, series split 1-1 although Wolves did it way easier than the Tigers.
First encounter Wolves (lost) were without Davis, but had Hire (34pts) and Evans.
Second encounter was a win and they had Hire and Davis (29pts 12 rbs 3 blks).
Now that you take Hire out, its one less big(ish) to worry about and you have the matchups:
Armour v Questel
Scott v Iliadis
Bowie v Salinas
Johnson/Cody v Huntington
Funches v Davis
Some tantalising matchups there, with Armour and Davis the only hands down winners in their matchups on paper. If Bowie and Scott turn up (each had a turn vs Stirling) in the same week, they could take Game 1. Johnson and Cody would have to get Huntington in foul trouble early and keep them off the O Boards if they have any chance.
Tigers as good as anyone at home this season, so I'd be pretty worried if I were the Wolves going into Game 1. I think the people are definately behind the Tigers this series, another Wolves final could be pretty boring... but never know what happens on the other side of the draw too. Lets just hope Gero get through so we have an awesome atmosphere for the GF.
Think the gero matchups are closer than predicted. Thomas is no walk over and Della can handle Cook. At the same time Wundenberg is used to being the hard working undersized center. Years now he has done it well.
magic and hawks girls got stuck into it sat night I heard.sounds like it was a tough series.
*also to note re Tigers v Wolves
Johnson ejected after an incident with Huntington and subsequently suspended by the league.
This will make for an intersting series
Anon
Years ago
Let's give the girls some love.
Are the Hawks a serious threat to the Wolves?
- Wischer vs Doccy is clearly the key matchup
Can Willo do enough to match it with the Flames over a three game series?
- Malpass Tomlinson, Harper & Antonio vs Whitcomb, Garbin, Ibekwe & J Bourne... Advantage Flames?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Missing Ironmonger will hurt Wolves in the big department. But i presume they will still hold fast over the Hawks. It'll definitely be a battle of the first 5's.
Flames should be too much for Willetton who have been to reliant on Malpass and Tomlinson. The rest are almost non-factors. Especially Antonio who has been in a serious slump for the best part of 8 weeks.
it will depend on how both games are officiated. this is what occurred in the hawks v magic series and the series between lightning and tigers. there was some serious flopping going on over the w-end and a few gold logie nominations were handed out.
You have to think both Wolves and Flames are going through in straight sets in the women's. Tigers should be able to give Flames a good run but with how average they played for 1.5 games in the Lightning series they might struggle.
Hawks just won't have the depth. I think magic might have troubled the Wolves with their bigs, especially with no Ironmonger. But the best team made it through
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Willetton will take CARE OF FLAMES 2-1
wILLO ARE PRIMED FOR THIS.Flames were pretty ugly against redbacks, didnt really gel that well.
Wolves 2-0 against hawkes and willo to win grand final.
Winning by 23 and 21 doesn't sound too ugly. Willetton have no depth in their lineup and will struggle if their big 5 get into foul trouble. Flames in a sweep
tttt jhhh
Years ago
The wins over redbacks by 21 and 23 was purely the difference in talent, they were still ugly.
actually turned the ball over more than redbacks and if they do that against Willo, Willo will score off those.
Still say it will be 2-1
Picking Willetton is one thing, everyones allowed to pick someone
BUT 2-1? Means they have to win game 3, a game played 24 hours after game 2. No chance with their depth compared to flames, and in Rockingham to top it off.
2-0 (not likely), but no chance of 2-1
Willetons bench under-rated , rockinghams bench over -rated.
Greg Hire ruled out for the rest of the playoffs.
Seems like the Hawks have a salty taste in the beak. Don't know how they can complain about officiating which is what Nix is clearly getting at without saying it bluntly but the cougars had multiple unsportsmanlike calls against them for piss weak calls.
In the last few meetings with the Hawks:
Sheldon McIntyre - Busted Rotator Cuff - undercut going for the ball
Daniel Thomas - Broken Ribs- dropped shoulder
Gavin Field - Torn Ligaments - undercut for for an alley oop and has now ended his season and basketball for 6 months and some.
Najee Lane - Stitches to his forehead.
It's a funny thing the media, who only seem to notice Garlepp and Hickert being absent but don't focus on the fact those two players don't equal half of Gavin Field and the Cougars still got up. Be humble and give dues where they are due.
Not to mention it was made to sound like they were 'unavailable' due to injury. But Garlepp just left for a holiday..
Anonymous
Years ago
It's unfortunate Charles Nix couldn't take a moment to give Cockburn a single bit of praise or credit. Sour grapes indeed
Agree on your point re officiating, which I would say was equally bad for both sides.
Not so sure about your point about Gav. Yes he is a big out but a combination of Hickett, Garlepp and Cassir out for PL hurts more than Field out for cougars. It meant Purser has to play the 4 instead of the 3 and no real back up at the 1/2 spots.
Finally, having watched all games between the two teams this season, I can say there was nothing untoward at all in the plays that resulted in those injuries you have listed. Basketball is a physical sport and unfortunately injuries happen.
Both teams dealt with injuries and credit the Cougars for being the better team in Game 3. In what is clearly meant to be a "reflection" piece, I don't think it is wrong for Nix to dwell on what could have been / missed opportunities. Doesn't mean he is salty or doesn't respect Cockburn.
"But if the game was called differently on Saturday, we probably are talking about us playing in the semi finals instead and possibly getting to a Grand Final".
that clearly states if it was called differently. Meaning the refs. And Cassir has been out for almost two seasons straight now so that is irrelevant to them beating the cougars.
The only two outs that have been sudden are Garlepp and Hickert. Gavin is the reigning runner up MVP and the best Australian in the league. How can you say that his affect is less? If Cougars can somehow get over that loss and beat Gero it will be an amazing feat.
Are they up to the challenge?
Cassir played 12 games this season and was expected to be able to play the whole season but re injured his knee.
I still maintain the combination of those 3 and the flow on effects to the team has a bigger impact on the Hawks. Gav missed a number of games in the back end of the year and Cougars managed to win almost all of them without him.
I already said that I agreed with you on the point about the refs .. i.e. I don't think they had much impact on the result of game 3.
I am saying that you listing those injuries to Cockburn players doesn't really serve a purpose. It appears that you are implying that due to those injuries, Cockburn have been unfairly treated by the refs during the matchups between these teams. I am saying that those injuries occurred during play, with the officials making correct calls each time (i.e. no unsportsmanlike, tech or otherwise).
When all is said and done Perry Lakes finished 8th.....once again!
With roughly same group of talent over last 3 years they finished:
2014 - 10th
2015 – 8th
2016 – 8th.
So if anything they are consistant.
Looking at that you have to say they are simply an 8-10th ranked team.
Almost every team has injuries that's part of the game they can’t keep using it as excuses for 3 seasons in a row.
Below were missing for whatever reason throughout 2016 and they are all still in contention.
Buccs without Wunderberg/Hussey/Samuelson/Akeponya
Cougars without Field/McIntrye/Thomas/Holmes/Prince
Wolves without Evans/Ironmonger/Hire/Illiads/Matacz and Questel
PL have been unusually unlucky though this year. This yr alone (these are players who would play over 25 mins a game).
Hobbs - 14/29
Hickert - 20/29
Cassir - 12/29
Combined games missed = 41
BUCCS:
Adekponye - 24/28
Hussey - 11/28 (though not through injury)
Wonderberg - 24/28
Total: 25
COUGARS:
Field - 22/29
Thomas - 23/29
McIntyre - 22/29
Peseva - 23/29
Total = 26
Not counting wolves given they were voluntarily rotating Evans, Hire and Davis (Trian and Ironmunger missed a combined 26 games).
I'd say the only other comparable team in terms of injuries were redbacks - given the timing of the injuries and the quality of players who missed games.
Both Redbacks and Hawks out in first round. Yes injuries happen but these teams are entitled to be disappointed about a somewhat wasted season.
Anonymous
Years ago
Does reflecting on injuries, referees etc. deflect attention or scrutiny from other aspects of the team performance?
Dexter St Jock
Years ago
Leave Garlepp out of this!!!!! He is the heart and soul of the SBL.
Anon
Years ago
Redbacks seem to have a wasted year for the last three years running, always some excuse as to why they consistently underperform
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Some questions should be raised regarding Perth. On paper they have had some excellent teams, yet failed to make any genuine push to the top.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Because coach runs them into the ground and come playoff time theres nothing left in the tank.
no redbacks radio this week? not surprising seeing as they both got knocked out last week
koberulz
Years ago
Because coach runs them into the ground and come playoff time theres nothing left in the tank.They didn't go anywhere near the playoffs last season, so I doubt having anything in the tank would have made much difference. Maybe the could have cheered other teams louder if they attended playoff games as spectators?
Given the injuries sustained during this season, not really sure you can make that criticism this year either. If Vigor doesn't go down, they're looking at a top four finish and don't end up with the championship favourites in the first round (with Vigor still not even close to healthy, mind you).
new name please
Years ago
Joondalup Wolves have this in the bag. With my boy Trian playing well and putting pressure on the defense. I don't see them losing. Wolves to sweep Willo and then win the GF by 15.
PL4LIFE
Years ago
Nix is sooking because knows he has underachieved as a coach and its probably going to cost him his job. PL are a huge passionate club and if you are going 10th,8th and 8th over the last 3 yrs as a coach you are probably going to find yourself struggling to stay in a job. They have talent, but Nix just doesnt get them to do enough. He was lucky Hobbs went bananas on Saturday otherwise they would of been blown out by 40.
new name please
Years ago
Where is PL talent? Garlepp, no. Sullivan, no. Simkovic, no. Hickert, no. Dixon, no. Smith, no.
Their entire bench is horrible and they had an obese import at Center. Purser and Hobbs are the only players on that team.
Give it a break Coach Nix.
"With the risk of sounding like a sore loser, if a number of decisions by the officials were decided differently (and correctly) we could be playing this week so there is a bit of what could have been still lingering."
Play by play had you up 15pts in 1st quarter, and you lost by 15pts.
That is a 30point turn around, surely you cant blame all that on the ref's!!!
DaHuzyBru
Years ago
"an obese import" haha gtfo Carlwell was a beast all season
Carlwell was out of shape. Someone of that size shouldnt be in a league like this. Played at a High level Div 1 school. He is just playing while he still can is all.
He did show moments of being a huge match up problems but majority of the time the game plan vs them were to PUSH the basketball down the court as he couldn't run much continuously
2012 Carwell was a monster
2016 Carwell is slow out of shape and much less effective. He still could have put up much better numbers if he was given the ball more though..
Beast? No
is it just me or are the cougars going to be tougher to beat than people think even with Field out?
Mandurah men's coaching job being advertised. Good for them they needed to get rid of Kyle
Big boil over on Rockos home floor tonight. Never expected such a huge margin let alone a Tigers win. Rocko with some work to do now
I guess Whitcomb couldn't handle the heat her girl Malpass was providing on the opposite team, what a shame...should bring her and the Flames down to earth, being one win away from a season END. I favour the Tigers at home too, serious advantage at the boulevarde:
Just shows you how quickly things can change, you snag that first game away and all of a sudden you're in the commanding position. Tigers men should take heart from the women, will be VERY interesting.
Key questions going into tonight's matchup:
-who will matchup on Davis? Funch master flex to start?
-what can Nic aka the Butcher Cody provide, lean cuts or prime steaks?
-why is BMX a sport in the olympics
-is Salinas Mexican or Puerto Rican?
All important questions that will determine the result...stay tuned
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Told you flames were ugly against redbacks and that Willo would win 2_1 but it looks like I was wrong it could be 2 _0 and petrick built his side for noy
thing.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Told you flames were ugly against redbacks and that Willo would win 2_1 but it looks like I was wrong it could be 2 _0 and petrick built his side for noy
thing.
WSBL Hawks just scored 3 points in a whole quarter of basketball, 0/7 from the field with 9 turnovers. Caught a case of the Boomers
Anonymous
Years ago
WSBL Wolves defence must be top notch for Smith to just have scored 3 points in a whole half of basketball all from the charity stripe, 0/3 from the field with 5 turnovers.
Anonymous
Years ago
WSBL Hawks have caught a case of the Boomers with just 14 points scored in a whole half of basketball.Dejavu.
So start of the fourth, and Hawks down almost 40. Can someone please tell me why Hawks don't play their bench like G Clarke and E Clarke?! You're not going to win the game, and all you'll achieve is maybe an injury... I don't get it.
Glad I didn't drive up to Joondalup to watch Hawks have two single digit quarters and Joondalup have one. If I wanted to watch no one score I would've just headed out with the boys.
No chance of beating Joondalup being out rebounded 31-13 at the half for the Tigers men. Don't care if they only have 3 turnovers and Damien Scott is on fire, it's impossible.
very little talk about the Cougars beating the Buccs on their home floor without Gavin Field.
"Buccs are the best team in the league right now, and everyone knows it. Playing the best. Superstar Hussey is back from the USA and killing it and there is no way Thomas/Van Lit/Mcintyre can keep up with him.
Cook always plays well in finals time and Adekponya will be refreshed from a nice week or so relaxing in the Brazillian sun. Wundenberg will get under the skin of Goode and Barrow will bully Field around inside.
That series will be a sweep as the first game is played in front of the raucous crowd in Gero in which Gero already beat the Cougars without Hussey."
very very quiet now
Its only 1-0.
Plenty to still play out in that series.
Very very good win by Cougars but Bucc's more then capable of winning the series still.
It is a lot harder now but the Buccs got serious talent and cant write them off.
Tigers seem to have had issues with the front court, fouls/injuries/limited minutes.
Need to keep them on the court as cant allow Wolves to dominate boards like that again.
I give Tigers a chance in game 2 at home.
Huge win for the Cougars! I loved seeing that result!!
Still wont be easy, but I would rather be up 1-0 then down!
Neither team with alot of depth so interesting when this goes to 3 on Sunday.
What is this lack of depth you are talking about with the Cougars? They are a lot deeper than the Buccs
Cougars still have no hope of beating the buccs in this series. Getting lucky once doesn't mean they will win this series. Hussey still will dominate Thomas and Adekponya won't be held down again. They shut down Goode again to an extent and Della will not be able to reproduce what he did in game 1.
If the Cougars win this weekend it will be a terrible Grand Final as there is no way they can play against the Wolves.
haha gotta love those one eyed buccs supporters
the writing is on the wall mate. Cougars are not losing on their home court two games in a row.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Its a very high chance its going to be a Cockburn v Joondalup Grand Final.
The severe lack of depth for Geraldton haunts them every single year. 2016 looks to be no exception. A 6 man rotation wont get it done.
The top 2 regular season teams will face off for the cup.
No way they can play against the Wolves? Have you checked the result from the last round of the season? Your entire post is rubbish
The last round of the year they had Gavin Field, Cougars got lucky against the buccs end of story, wont happen again.
The cougars bring Pesava and Thomas off the bench, where as the Buccs bring in Ralph. Big difference there. Not in favour of the cougars.
Insider
Years ago
Next year it will be easy to have a 6 man rotation with 40 minute games
Farrison Hord
Years ago
how can you say buccs have a better bench? You're in lalah land.
Ralph/Wrenstead/Thurkle - 21.3ppg, 9.7rpg, 3.9apg
Pesava/DT/Holmes/Hayto - 28.9ppg, 12.4rpg, 8.8apg
not to mention Cougars have Alex Prince back in the mix & Mandic/Arrowsmith who can be serviceable on their day.
Buccs have no one. Literally no one else.
Cockburns bench wins every single day hands down. Ralph is the only solid player.
Plus you need Ralph to hit shots, otherwise he gives you nothing. So you could say on occasion its the Buccs starting 5 and that is it
No way, ralph provides weak side help hugely as he is long and active. He hits big shots when crucial and the fact wrensted can come in the game and at least control the tempo rather than just shoot like hussey does, makes it more beneficial than ever noted.
Hussey looks to jack up shots along with adekponya but wrensted settles the team. Buccs all the way as Cougars will be tired and not able to produce the same scoring output. I mean Pesava and Thomas shot 4-20. Pathetic! Thomas 3-13 and Pesava 1-7.
Buccs will face Joondalup in the finals.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
^^ you are delusional.
Aaron Ralph & the word defense should never be spoken in the same breathe.
Wrenstead is a non factor.
Hope you eat humble pie after the sweep.
HumblePie
Years ago
How can you not see the Buccs have the far more talented team. Going in to the series all the match ups say Gero have them covered.
As we all stated before:
Hussey dominates Thomas
Adekpnoya equals Lane
Cook dominates Della
Barrow dominates McIntyre
Wundenberg loses to Goode
Ralph Dominates any of them coming off the bench.
Insider
Years ago
On paper yes but games are played on the court not on paper.
Della had the top score for the game, Cook had 18.
I don't get how you are arguing this. I'm not suggesting the Buccs are out of it by any stretch but the Cougars just beat them without Field on their home floor. Surely you have to give the edge to Cougars now coming home.
I think a few people underestimate some of the older guys on the cougars squad just a bit too much. Della, Thomas and McIntyre have been around for a while now and are far too good to be thrown at the waist side. Having Prince return provides them with a guy who is basketball smart and makes the right decisions on court. He can drop 20 any time if he gets his shot going. They go zone and he will make an appearance for sure.
I dont think enough credit has been given to Thurkle. He is the heart and sole of that bench. The best towel waver in the game.
Thurkle has improved in leaps and bounds and has hit some huge shots for the buccs in the last series. He buried Rocko when they needed him to stand up and do so. Bury him in the corner and penetrate and hes there.
Shot 40% on the season pretty lethal from range. Doesn't offer much else though.
BALLBAG
Years ago
Why do people keep sleeping on Della? The guy flat out balls. Hes been amazing for the Cougars this year. Everyone makes out like hes done, but he keeps helping them win games.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Pretty sure no one has slept on Della. He's probably the most unorthodox player to ever do it, but no one has ever slandered our doubted his influence.
really good piece he did for the player column
What's with the Tigers womens team whining on social media about the umpires?
Won the foul count, won the game, yet bitching on instagram about the calls they didn't get? Hope this weeks refs don't see it
Anon
Years ago
Overpaid Ego 1 told O.E 2 her thoughts on a flopping call whilst O.E 2 was too busy worrying about rebounding and probably her expanded role in Dodgeball II: The Freak Has Balls
Perhaps the Leagues code of behaviour in relation to social media doesn't apply to them because they're from one of the special / clubs?
it is good to see that the tigers vs flames womens game having best of 3 games this will really decide which team is the better. sounds like it is starting to build in hype. it will be a hard fought match.i think the arrogance of the 2 teams has come to a head and they deserve each other . after just thinking they are going to cruise thru the season and then get to the grand final. players coming in when ever they feel like it , not training holidays etc. im glad to see that 1 - team is going to dumped .
saying this they are outstanding teams and good luck to them both .
the refs will have a huge say in who wins.
just out of curiousity, how awkward would that drive home be between malpass and whitcomb?
"Hey baby! thanks for dropping 28 on me!"
"Yeah, i definitely gave you the business on court tonight"
"Well how about you ease up next game babe or no more walks on the beach together for a month"
Its got to be awkward playing against your girlfriend and then going home together and stuff, has to be a weird feeling if they are super competitive players as I think they are.
nah no dive, serious question. Would it not be weird playing against your lover/partner and still expect to go out there and push your hardest.
Would be weird.
Hearing some rumours the Wildcats are considering putting a DP team into the SBL. Similar model to the COE in the SEABL. Not allowed to play finals etc. Thoughts?
Forde's thoughts on the radio show were interesting. I think there is a fine line between State League and a development league/ offseason NBL league. He has a bias towards the national league which is totally fair. But idk I agree with his thoughts to move the league to a shorter season to accommodate the NBL players who want to play in the SBL. Especially when the league is already moving to a 40 minute game for the fans.
Loveforthegame
Years ago
The league is already taking the game to a stupid 40 min time limit compared to being the only other league outside the NBA to be 48 minutes.
It would be stupid to now shorten the season as well, if they are truly professionals then they don't require to play SBL, they are professionals and get paid accordingly.
NBA players don't go and join other teams in the off season, they might play a few games here and there but to flat out go and ball with another team for a season seems to only occur here. Make a choice I say. Be professional or stay Semi Professional. Look at how detrimental it could be for so called professional players.
Greg Hire injured already, imagine if Tom Jervis hurt himself this season and blew a knee out? Bye bye contract and everything with it. It is a risk they take and the other guys who don't get to play in the NBL shouldn't suffer because of it. The SBL is the State Basketball League, not the NBLDPL the NBL development league. The NBL can choose to grab guys from the SBL if they want so leave it the way it is.
new name please
Years ago
Playing against lovers is hard.... believe me.
Wildcats DP team is not a good idea IMO.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
i more or less agree with loveofthegame.
NO need to shorten the season now the games will be reduced to 40 minutes.
Also if you are a contracted NBL player then you essentially dont have much need to be playing in the SBL. I know its good for crowds, exposure & game play, but its not really essential to the individual.
Unless you are a freshly un-contracted or DP player, there isnt any genuine need.
As for a Cats team in SBL. Thumbs down. Where would they play? Who will pay them? Who will coach them and it will just remove young prospects from their initial clubs damaging them (the club) in the process. No point.
Loveforthegame
Years ago
Yep taking talent away from Clubs who have been around for many years and work tirelessly in unpaid roles to get players on court and the club to run smoothly all so they can join a DP team where as stats show, 90% or more don't end up amounting to an NBL contract for more than a few games or a year and then straight back to their respective clubs that have given them everything.
My guess they would play at the BBC and be coached by A Stewart or maybe Forde.
The Wildcats have a team in the Lakeside A Grade comp now too.
A Wildcats DP team is a horrible idea.
Reasons being:
1. Taking the best young players out of each club would gut the clubs of the young talent they developed. No guarantee they will come back and play after a few yrs in the DP side.
2. The DP may not want to leave the club they have played for their whole life where they have built friendships etc to go play in a all DP side.
3. The AIS team in the SEABL works because these players come from all across Australia from the age of 16 and don't really have any loyalty to existing SEABL teams, they also live and train together daily... plus these guys have been identified as the top players in the country where it is likely they will go on to at least play NBL and possibly represent Australia .. how many Wildcat DPs have gone on to a career in the NBL - 2 from 50?
4. I don't think an all DP team would be competitive in the SBL - likely worse than Kalamunda was this season. Again the AIS team in SEABL is top talent in AUS and even they struggle.
5. I don't think the SBL really owe the Wildcats in favours?
Having said this, I think the more talent you can get in the SBL, the better. With 3 imports and 40 min games there will be 5 or so Wildcats players each yr who will get limited minutes in the NBL. Why not try to accommodate these players so that they can play in the SBL if they want to?
The injury element shouldn't really be considered - players play pick up games / drill 3 on 3 etc in the off season all the time - they are really making a decision as to whether playing in structured comp like the SBL will improve their game over the off season.
Surely SBL could adjust fixture but keep same number of total games?
koberulz
Years ago
nah no dive, serious question. Would it not be weird playing against your partner and still expect to go out there and push your hardest.Why would it be any different to playing against a friend? I'd imagine that happens in the vast majority of games, and nobody cares.
koberulz
Years ago
Also if you are a contracted NBL player then you essentially dont have much need to be playing in the SBL. I know its good for crowds, exposure & game play, but its not really essential to the individual.Anyone not getting significant minutes could benefit. I remember when Ben Thompson first came over here in 2001 and he was absolutely awful, he played SBL that off-season and returned much better.
Unless you are a freshly un-contracted or DP player, there isnt any genuine need.
As for the NBA comparison, their off-season is three months after playing every second day for nine. The NBL off-season is seven months after playing once or twice a week for five.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Ben Thompson! Bad example lol
if he was awful before then he was at best mediocre after.
koberulz
Years ago
It was the only example I could think of where an NBL player specifically credited playing SBL with an improvement in their NBL performance.
I'm sure there are other examples, though.
That is the problem. The sbl hasn't produced any good NBL players as of late. So to get them earlier as a development player makes them a 4-5 year project rather than a 1-2 year project.
The ones complaining about this are the same ones saying that Alexander was a shoe in for NBL. See how far that went.
koberulz
Years ago
Why would they have access any earlier with a DP team than they do now?
tttt jhhh
Years ago
I hope Willo smoke flames in game two and silence Petric, Hes such a cocky shit in his articles.
Cocky? He barely sounds cocky at all, he rips shreds off his own team and credits Willeton much more than he talks them up. What are you smoking mate
tttt jhhh
Years ago
IM not a mate! and you obviously havnt read all his articles this year.
Luuuc
Years ago
"That is the problem. The sbl hasn't produced any good NBL players as of late"
Maybe the Cats feel that there's young talent there that isn't being properly developed within the SBL system.
It's a tough one. The SBL would probably benefit from something like this if it was done well, but I can see why the existing clubs might not be too keen to be without their most promising guys for a couple of seasons.
I dont know if there is enough Top-level Talent in WA to do this with the Wildcats. I think it could be benifical but it wouldnt help the SBL thats for sure.
Make this year an example....
Would it of effected the TOP 4 teams that are still playing?
Perhaps not with this current crop of DPs but if you consider the following players were all once DPs, then yes - it would have a significant impact:
Wolves - Illiadis Huntington
Tigers - Armour, Scott, Cody
Cougars - Field, Paseva
Just as they are now, all these players were major contributors to their SBL sides while they were DPs for the cats.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
That young talent isnt being developed in the SBL system is hogwash. There are plenty of people investing into their club juniors at all associations, the wildcats have an infamous tendency to turn a blind eye or shun local talent post-beveridge era. That is all.
I hope Willo smoke flames in game two and silence Petric, Hes such a cocky shit in his articles.
Sounds like someone is a little jealous?? As Anonymous said he has nothing but praise for the way that Willetton played game 1. Just coz he actually has a lot of basketball knowledge and obviously you ttttjhhh have none. Why is it everyone always wants to knock someone who is doing well and doing heaps for basketball in WA not only at Rocko but also with the Lynx program.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Petrik is extraordinarily smug now though. He completely looked passed Perth (in fairness they won convincingly) and i'm pretty sure they thought they would breeze past Willetton as well (and so did i for that matter).
the impression i have got from the past couple of posted interviews is he almost thinks he is now above and beyond SBL.
if he never found whitcomb there is a strong chance he wouldnt have won two titles or be with the lynx. guy hit the lottery.
Farrison Hord Do you think maybe it was his skill and knowledge of the game that chose a good import. If you look back at the women's imports he has bought to the Flames, there has not been one bad one. It is not just pure luck it is hours and hours of scouting etc that brings good imports to our SBL. You have to give him some credit for choosing well and doing his homework. Believe it or not Whitcomb did not just rock up on his doorstep asking to play.
ryan petrick - makes the most out of himself , there would not be a harder working coach I wouldn't think ? the actual coaching ranks of the womens comp - I dare to say is better if not equal to the men .
ryan petrick - makes the most out of himself , there would not be a harder working coach I wouldn't think ? the actual coaching ranks of the womens comp - I dare to say is better if not equal to the men .
Can't argue with results over the past few years. Championships, imports and recruiting of other Australians has all been A+.
Farrison Hord you have no idea what you're talking about. These kids aren’t being developed from junior level, not the right way at lease. Because how many go to AIS from WA? How many go to a top NCAA school compared to other states. Back in your box
So.. your argument still doesn't support the wildcats having their own DP team in the SBL.
If they want to make a real difference perhaps they should use their extensive resources to teach / mentor WABL coaches? Or even start some sort of wildcats academy for players aged 12-18. The development work needs to be done earlier. ITC / State programs also have a roll in this.
By the time these players are at SBL level the added benefit they would receive from playing weekly in a DP only team is minimal IMO.
Who would coach the team - probably Adam Forde - who himself is a couple of years removed from being an SBL coach. I would argue that Etridge / Black / Parsons / Trahair etc are just as, if not more, qualified to be developing these young players.
Farrison Hord
Years ago
lol i'd reply for a normal discussion but all you anons look the same so i cant be bothered replying to an invisible person
Insider
Years ago
There are plenty of current and former players in WA that could coach the talent in WA easily.
Tigers tearing apart the Wolves. Headed for game 3!
The Willetton Tigers just dismantled the Joondalup Wolves in a single half of basketball.
The Wolves, ranked 1st in defence, allowed 22.3points per quarter during the regular season. In quarter 3 tonight they allowed 37 and in the fourth they allowed 39. This is the enormity of the defeat.
Tigers played with motivation, purpose, momentum and desperation, winning the steals count 7-2 and the turnover count 7-14.
Stat of the night however, Scott, Bowie and Armour combined 12/20 3Pshooting. Iladis and Salinas combined 3/20. Tigers TORCHED it from the 3PT line, Cody, Armour, Black and Funches going 100%, the team 20/33= 60%
Tigers couldn't stop Davis, but definitely contained him as best they could and forced a handful of turnovers.
Can the Tigers repeat this effort two nights in a row?? I definitely doubted it, but seeing how much they dominated tonight, they should take a LOT of motivation heading into a game three. Will be one to watch
Petrik's coaching prowess is getting tested at the moment.Have'nt seen him rotate his bench this much.Obviously Ibekewe is injured.
tttt jhhh
Years ago
Told you Willow would take care of flames and now williams will win mvp
Willo vs Joondalup
Cougars vs Joondalup
Battle of the 4 legged beasts.
Who will win?
Can the wolves get up against the tigers? A team built to win it all.
Can the Fieldless Cougars who have exceeded everyone's expectations without their captain continue this amazing run and shut down everyone who says they have no chance?
Can the wolves repeat and get ettridge another ring?
It is going to be two cracker games this weekend. Cannot wait!!!
where is our one eyed buccs supporter now?
first it was a guarenteed sweep
then it was a guarenteed series win in 3 games
now it is radio silence.
Typical Buccs season. Decent team, not much depth, out in straight sets in the playoffs. Really feel for Wunders, he is a workhorse.
The Rocko Willo game 3 looked like it was dreadful to watch, combined % around 30?
I think the one eyed buccs supporter will be saying Joondalup in 1. Everyone is predicting Joondalup. Surely they are the red hot favourites to win it all.
the buccs window is closing I believe ? carter cook will become an aussie I think which will allow them to go find 2 yanks. they could be hard pressed to keep both hussy and akepondya. wunders/ralph may have gone over the top and may be done. they had a real chance this yr but have come up short. well done on a good season however.
I heard that haney is finished coaching the giants and is heading to perth ?Mandurah looking for a new mens head coach
So in that scenario they would be paying 2x imports, Adekponya, Cook and Hussey. Hmmm.....
Buccs have posted most of their second game against Cougars on facebook... If Cougars want to have any chance in the GF Goode is going to have to change his work rate. He looks really lazy
GERO...once again falls short of GLORY!!
They tried to load up with Hussy and Adekponya and still cant get it done. Makes me laugh!!
Hope Cougars can get it done but it will be hard for them to contain both Wolves wings.
Saying that, playing at the the stadium where the RIMS arent very forgiving you never know!
At least it should be more of a contest than what Slammers dished up last year
Lane is an elite wing defender so should at least be able to make it tough on one of Wolves wing guys. Does he guard Salinas or Illiadis?
Pesava isnt too shabby defending a wing either.
I dont think a wolves win is as set in stone as people are making it out to be. The general sentiment on the cougars is that they have been lucky to get to where they are without Field. Im not quite sold on that.
Any truth to Whitcomb refusing to guard Malpass in the flames tigers series?
bob
Years ago
Gero are done. They cant find guys jobs outside of basketball to keep people up there. You wait for the exodus.
Anon
Years ago
whats with the buccs hating . League needs strong country clubs
I would not think that whitcomb said im not guarding malpass !I think if petrick and the flames coaching staff had their time over they might have changed their defensive match up on malpass. it was costly.
No one is hating on the Buccs. Great organisation and a well run club. Think some serious work on their locals needs to be done. Some future talent but need to work with them in a specialised program to enhance those talents further.
As for the Grand Final, Cougars have no chance, not enough firepower to deal with the Wolves.
No one hates the buccs, there were just some very blanket and bold statements made from a fan on here that the cougars had zero chance of going anywhere.
a few people plainly stated that they thought differently and he shut them down.
Now that the Cougars gave the buccs the broom the questions was simply asked, where are you now?
wolves vs cougars.
Whats the news? thoughts? predictions?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Wolves by 6 points in a tight contest and Illiadis for game MVP.
Still waiting for my humble pie Geraldton friend to post something.... :D
Insider
Years ago
Wolves by 1 could go either way K. Davis MVP with a double double and 6 block shots
Wasn't there a bit of noise on here about Campbell being a Wolves supporter?
He coaches a wolves junior team apparently and his kids play there.
bob
Years ago
Wolves arrogance could hurt them. Cockburn have nothing to lose . Everyone wrote them off when Fields went down. If the refs let this game go a bit and allow Goode to play without worrying about fouling out we could see an upset. Cockburn in a close one for me.
Goode has to worry about playing defense before he worries about fouling.
goode and the cougars have done well enough to make it to the grand final so hush hush. They are playing these entire playoffs without their League Runner up MVP from last year in Gavin Field, surely they are doing something correct.
They held Geraldton to 86 in the last game, so surely someone is playing defence.
Well yes, McIntyre and Lane are two of the best defenders in the league so can cover Goode's laziness to some extent.
I would take Davis over Goode every day of the week
Davis cannot score like Goode, so you take the good with the bad. Goode has been dominant plain and simple and the record you cannot argue with.
Goode stretches the floor and has great footwork and touch for a big fella. He can't defend to save his life though, by the time the second half comes around he barely moves quicker than a slow jog. I would be shocked if he wins MVP
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Irrespective of who wins, i think its going to be a fairly close & competitive match up which will be a welcomed sight. Last couple of GF's have been convincing wins
I'd ideally love to see a last second shot or buzzer beater to clinch a title for change!
new name please
Years ago
Wellsteed better "salard" as its not a horrible red-orange colour.
Trian to go for 26/7/7 in this one.
Trian MVP
LANE best for Cougars....Wolves win by 9
koberulz
Years ago
I'm disappointed in the lack of Goode puns generated by the earlier discussion.
Very impressed with the articles produced by Pikey lately. Much better than the standard weekend wraps. Well done
He's turned up to quite a few training sessions during the finals series so at least the efforts there and articles are flowing.
you could say how well the big fella plays for the cougars will be a Goode indication of if they win or not.
new name please
Years ago
Davis is good.... but he isn't GOODE.
- "SOF"
Cougars have no hope in winning this game. It is a very GOODE chance they are getting a thumping this grand final.
Joondalup too experienced, too strong, too athletic, too well coached, too GOODE!
Puppiepack
Years ago
Joondalup too experienced -- NOT
too strong -- NOT
too athletic -- NOT
too well coached -- NOT
too GOODE -- YES COUGARS WERE
the drums are silent now.
Zero from Two well done the Puppie Pack
JK
Years ago
I am extremely proud of the lady wolfpack. It was a tough game down to the last possession and missing a key starter. For a young team no one predicted would go anywhere they have done great things. Ironmonger was dominant in the paint, martin turned herself into a defensive stopper, kinder should win most improved this season and it wouldn't surprise me if belcher gets it next season and wischer is an out and out star. This season was fun and i can't wait for next season.
As for the men, well that was the most un wolfpack like game they've played all season but you take the ups with the downs.
Sucked in Joondalup. Poor effort by their supporters. No effort to decorate, their supporters were quiet all night compared to Cockburn's. The look on Ettridges face was priceless after the game as well. Congrats Cougars they were better in every aspect of the game and are worthy winners
The fact Ben Ettridge couldn't shake a hand of the opposing team and actually turn himself away when the cougars came up to thank him for a good game goes to show the caliber of a coach they have.
Did anyone else see Ettridge storm off immediately after the game ended?
Mike
Years ago
So was that the last time I will get to watch a 48 minute game? I've heard mixed messages that the league is changing to 40 minutes and I've not seen it confirmed anywhere.
Really hope it stays 48 minute, can't stand shorter games.
Ettridge = sore loser. I wonder if he has that sort of attitude and mentality at international level
Anon
Years ago
Joondalup Should be disgusted in Ettridge's behaviour after the game as this is a direct representation of their orginisation.
Congratulations Cougars great sportsmanship true Champions
Anonymous
Years ago
The change from 48 to 40 min per game will be decided this week.
I hope it stays at 48.
Some clubs want the import number to be reduced to one.
I hope this happens as clubs struggle to have enough money and to see more $$$ go into developing their own.
Mike
Years ago
Unfortunate if true that games are changing to 40 mins. What do people think in general of this proposed change? I don't really understand the reason behind it.
koberulz
Years ago
Every other league in the world playing 40 minutes isn't a good enough reason?
The only odd thing about it is that it didn't happen back in 2010. I'm guessing the NBL playing 48 minutes was the only reason it's that length in the first place.
As for the arguments about development...again, every other league in the world functions just fine. Including the women's SBL.
Mike
Years ago
Not really. The fact that just because other leagues around the world play 40 minute games to me doesn't seem like a good enough reason by itself. So what if they are? There are many NBL fans who wish we could go back to 48 minute games and lament the change to 40 minutes.
And not every league in the world is 40 minutes. There are still leagues around the world that are 48 minutes - NBA, China, Philippines, Canada etc.
I guess its personal preference but I love the fact that the SBL still has 12 minute quarters.
koberulz
Years ago
Started a new thread and replied there; this one is getting long enough to lock my browser up for a full minute when I try to open it.
Congratulations to the Cougars. An amazing achievement given they didnt have their MVP.
Still havent heard from ol Buccs Boy haha
a few wolves fans on here seem to have gone very quiet also. Ettridge behaviour is nothing new. If Wolves had a problem with it they would have acted a long time ago.
could the wolves era of dominance now be over?
Cant see Matacz going around again
Hire may not play again until his NBL career is over
How much longer will Salinas, Trian and Huntington play?
Farrison Hord
Years ago
Etteridge did have a plane to catch out to Rio in an alarmingly short space of time. I wouldn't read to much into it.
Congratulations to the Cougars, their depth paid dividends. Got the jump in the first quarter & kept them at bay the whole way.
Didnt help Joondalup that they shot terribly as well.
Farrison, that's what I initially thought, but he came back out after dealing with emotions to watch the Wolves boys get their medallions etc. He didn't rush off to the airport or anything.
Let's post in the new thread.
new name please
Years ago
GOODE game by the Cougars.
Very impressed with that group of lads.
Lakeside4life.
Michael Mcmichael
Years ago
Ricky Kreklow will tear up SBL if he is playing in the league. Shame he is at Magic or I would have him as MVP
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