First Frankston and now Mornington. What's going on down the peninsula. Westernport be licking their lips at this stuff.

If Western Port had the facilities to sustain the influx of players that may come over in the next 2-4weeks they might actually have a good junior program but this won't happen; lack of coaching depth and high rankings will either force families to travel or kids will change sports. I know Cranbourne has had a lot of enqueries Re: Frankston juniors, even Chelsea is getting more interest.......Mornington won't change their tact as the committee was struggling before with basic basketball knowledge and decision making; the committee hasn't changed so the statusquo will stay.
Shame as the time was right to strike and really place pressure on Sth Pen and Blues but this won't happen with the current crazy rules in place and by the sounds of it more on the way. Too many good families, players and coaches leaving but no one is willing stand up cause your not to think for yourself, you must follow the clubs direction without questioning it.

"Rapid expansion" at the cost of foundation stability...

^^ Ha Ha Breakers the Empire was about to rise

Umm are we talking junior amateur basketball? How about we keep this all on prospective. It comes down to where they can play with friends and what kind of coach they will have. Don't act like you really care about senior teams. Because most of you put absolutely zero into them. So how about us adults have some prospective and remember this is supposed to be fun for our kids. And keep it real .. Any club that has an influx of players has to have the coaches to coach them.

Your "KID" is 18 time to let them figure it out for themselves. They should go where the best opportunity for them is. How much loyalty would you have if another club offers him more money and opportunity to play seniors? He/she would have every right to follow that path even though it doesn't benefit the club they played for all their life. Put the shoe on the other foot it becomes a travesty of justice. Confucius say Giving loyalty while expecting it back is a fools proposition.

I'm surprised that this is happening, seeing as their Youth Men team were runners up this season. Chelsea, Casey Western Port and others are going to be happy considering there are a number of great young players in the program down at Mornington

Great news. Less teams means more refs available.

Sport and loyalty don`t mix and never have. It is romantic and a great story. If you are not watching your back and looking out for yourself you will get burnt.

Mornington Pen' you have to reap what you sow, please don't say others are making assumptions about what you say, the make a comment like 'just because the rest of society sees no value' in loyalty. Then expect everyone to take your side of an argument. Your qualities are noted and if genuine I expect wherever you and your son go would benefit from you being there, but blind loyalty could lead to one being naive so just remember that and good luck, hope the Board makes the right decision for everyone concerned.

Well said Mornington Peninsula, some see things like 102 and unfortunately they believe this is OK cause everyone else might be this way. It's a shame that 102 never learnt these values at a sports club, at a much higher level his views may be justified but at local clubs it can't be justified no matter how you paint it, say it, word it; it will never be OK to have these views or values. In the end it says more about you as a person and your values than about you as the sportsperson; I know I would prefer my son to quit than have the view that loyalty and sports don't mix or that he should be looking over his shoulder cause he will be burnt having morales he stands by. Life is more than sport and if you enter sports with your child view it as a way to help teach values that they can use later in life to make them better people not cynical ones like some on here.
Getting back to the point, haven't heard anything else re: senior teams at Mornington.....hope they don't remove them.

I am not sure that some posters here understand the difference between loyalty and blind faith or naivety. You can be loyal to your club, but it is more important to be loyal to yourself. Not everyone leaves a club because they want to, some do it because they have to. Mornington can't make this decision, surely this news is just a rumour?

119 it was no secret at Breakers that someone of power on the committee doesn't see the point of seniors running as It makes a loss at the club to run it. This comment was made in front of myself and several others, so rumour or not, people should feel a little nervous that 1 or more on their committee that represents them isn't a big fan of the senior program. With some of the decisions that have been made in the past 6-8 mths you couldn't help but feel anxious that the senior program may be gone.

How many senior teams in the Big V or SEABL, or other State Leagues actually make money?

Unless your Association owns their venue or has autonomy to run it's canteens and schedule the courts, most other senior teams run at a loss.

If it wasn't for sponsorship and door fees and being supported by the junior program, selling raffle tickets etc... most senior teams would not even exist.

I am not sure of the circumstances at Mornington, if they own the venue or rent it, or what their financial situation is, but without a senior program and a junior program I know one thing, they will have quite some time in front of them to think about how they stuffed things up here and now!

144 they are in some sort of contract with a school paying X amount per year for the 3 courts plus there would be some added expenses for external courts used for training and domestic games.
I did try to explain to them that not many senior programs run at a profit if any at all but they couldn't understand why clubs would then run a senior program, I also explained this to them about pathways etc. They struggled to understand it and saw only $$$$$ even though financially they are in the best shape they have been ever. I understand this is due to the brilliance of those who are making shocking basketball decisions. In simple if they employed a DOC or BOM to run the basketball side and stayed out of it things would probably run a hell of a lot smoother but they can't. They are very good businessman but suck at running or making basketball decisions and are dragging it down to basketball depths that will be difficult to dig it's way out of for years to come.

Sounds like someone else has to run for a position on the board, time for a coup!

Apparently more permission to train forms then ever have been signed, usually a sign something's not right in Texas.

What happened to just playing a game you love. Why does it have to be about playing to make it to the big time. That's the skewed ideal here. Out of the 40 or 50 u12's at a club they all can't play seniors at the club. But in your world if they all stuck with it and were loyal to the club they should all get a turn? How about going to the committee with your check book and finance the next few seasons.. Now that would be a loyal thing to do because it's all about the kids right? How could they axe the program then.. Come on let's get together and raise the money for them whose in?

In my world it's not all about being given a shot to play seniors but the thought that they might be able to if that is their ambition. But the senior team should be more than just a senior team that represents the association, to the kids they can be role models, they can be an extension of their coaches, smaller clubs who have senior team would normally be lacking knowledgeable coaches (not saying they don't have them but saying there is usually a lot more parents and less basketball tragics) to help out, clinics etc. so there's a lot more to a senior team.

Is this their D2M and D2W only or also YL teams?

Is this their D2M and D2W only or also YL teams?

Good question anon^ does anyone actually have accurate information on the proposal?

Is this their D2M and D2W only or also YL teams?

Still a good question, now wait for an answer, no need to keep asking it.

Doubt there board are sitting there monitoring this forum lol, i am sure they would send something out to the club or have a meeting. Perhaps if there is someone from Breakers on here they can hed some more light on things.

agree with tt, silence can be damaging

MP you can actually have youth without the senior team now. Corio Bay women for example.

They would be smart to just consolidate and have YL for a couple for a couple of years.

If they remove the seniors and have youth that is actually not a bad i dea. The youth still gives juniors a pathway and they both did ok this season. Men in the final and wome in there first year.

build the teams over a few years then enter into seniors again.

Seniors been ordinary for a number of years now. The men lost there best players to Keysborough and the women rely on what they can get from Frankston fallout.

Apparently the fees to play are the highest around for domestic by far yet the maintenance doesnt justify the cost. Dropping the people who run bigV because it runs at a loss. Money talks and families walk.

I feel like a lot of clubs convert their YL teams anyway and DGAF about the seniors. Case in point maybe?

*covet

Any update on what's happening at Morno?

We moved the year before and after hearing what's happening and the thought of no senior teams or limited is insane. This is being lead by someone who said to me and others "how can the best in the world shoot 40-50%, must be the only sport where you get 2nd and 3rd chances to score. I will change that here, we will implement programs that we will be leaders on" and the piece de resistance with his comments about junior coaches and how he wants them selected "as long as they are good communicators, not necessary that they know the game as we will offer them extensive training to learn the game"..........hmmm power hungry, no direction, no idea, sinking ship, etc. if he just ran the business side with no impact on basketball all would be fine but he can't help himself but feel he has to impact on the sport even though he has openly admitted he knows nothing about the sport. He was advised this year by their "DOC" that isn't really their doc that 8 players per VJBL team isn't enough (this is what he wants), it was voted against by his committee yet it still hasn't been resolved because he wants it and the coaches have voiced their opinions that also do not want 8 players a team, yet he has not put it to bed because it is what HE wants.

Relax, the teams may be there but the players may not. After the debacle of last year removing the coach, revolving door of players and the interim coach the YL coach when there were other applicants, fantastic moves by the powers that be. No direction, no basketball knowledge and no idea how to run a program it's a recipe for disaster from juniors to seniors; the only players who will bother are those internally who wouldn't get a game anywhere else and those no one else really wants. Start of last season they had an energetic group wanting to play and winning preseason, sitting 4th or 5th and they remove the coach.......smart move especially when they had no replacement in the wings. SEABL players are being linked to Steelers over Breakers, what's that tell you about who wants to play for Breakers? The spiral has started at Breakers and whatever chance they had of gaining ground on anyone is lost due to the committees incompetence to run basketball, if they just ran the business side and employed a DOC or BOM and left them alone things might get better but they won't because a certain someone there is power hungry. He should leave the club and swim laps in retirement and stop trying to run a basketball club into the ground.

Relax if they are anything like the direction of the juniors than I am not the one who should be worrying. I left last season and there are many wishing they had done the same now, I'm in a great place where basketball minded people are making basketball decisions not business people thinking they can make basketball decisions. 60+ coaching applicants for VJBL at Breakers last season, no where near that this season and they are actually struggling for coaches, I'm still not worried but anyone with a child in the program should be a little concerned what quality coaching they will receive. Like I said 3 SEABL and 2 Championship players talking to Steelers....that's a FACT. Not one has any intentions of talking to Breakers, coaches from other clubs being directed to Steelers and to not bother at Breakers, again a fact. So I'm not the one who should be concerned; cause I'm not there. I do still love the club that was apart of me for such a long time and hate seeing it being destroyed.

Firstly lets get one thing straight, WP is neither poaching nor approaching these players, the players have approached them. Secondly, the grass isn't always greener but the fact that WP Is more appealing than Breakers to basketball people due to the current changes speaks volumes of how the Breakers program is going. If people who play basketball for the love of the game are approaching WP over Breakers than there is something drastically wrong here. WP may or may not consider these players but the simple fact that players are approaching them, as well as coaches being directed towards them says a lot of how the Breakers are viewed by not only other associations but people who are basketball minded.
So to clarify for you how it makes them better; players of caliber are considering WP to play next season, coaches are being DIRECTED by people within other associations if they are leaving to apply at WP and not Breakers, a possible coach posted on here that he attended a Breakers coaches meeting and was throughly disappointed in the lack of knowledge of basketball and his son won't be playing there and he won't be coaching there. If you cannot attract people from outside your club to want to come in and be there, then you sure as hell won't keep your talented kids. Give them something to play with, other talented players whether they be from within or outside your program, if they run an only Breakers team they will be slaughtered and disheartened and those better local players will question why they even bothered to stay.

905 on the money, agree 100% they are feeder clubs but i suppose what 900 is pointing out (my interpretation)......why would you bypass 1 and not the other; perhaps one has bigger issues. It's obvious if your not going to take from outside your club for juniors and you even consider 8 players a team then your heading for a disaster that not many who know basketball wish to be part of.
But i do need to correct you that SP is having it's own issues but not of Frankston magnitude but big enough to create some small waves a month or so ago that are slowly rising to a small tidal wave......watch this space.
I also are not part of these peninsula clubs but always thought WP & Breakers should merge.

If 3 SEABL and 2 State champ players are talking with Wp to play D2 ball I wouldn`t say they are of the highest quality and are most likely looking for a good pay day.

Don`t start with the "Well they want to get some great coaching, they want to be in a great atmosphere, they want to play with friends" crap.

Sure these players may want to leave Frankston but if there first choice is WP and D2 then i`d say there is an issue.

SP - Well it is all abiout the women there now. Guy who rns the club got rid of Youth men to fund that and has tied to get the senior men put into D2 to free up some more coin.

Good coach and knows his stuff and was able to have a team in final in state champ made up of kids who could play youth for about the next 5 years. so they are doing something right - The added benifit of pulling kids from his State coaching obviously helps as well.

Interesting what the end game will be though, have heard that ambitions of the head coach is headed to college next year to coach, what happens to the club then?

Mornington bite the bullet, clear out the seniors, put your youth team up and let them build over the next few years, if you want a clean start with new direction that is your only way.

Notice how all the topics etc started on these forums are all small BIG V clubs, that the reasonthey stay where they are. Everyone worried about trivial BS and not being focussed on where they need to get to.

MP have any actually left though. Basketball and other sports famous for the " Im leaving and im gonna do this and that" But at the end of the day they stay put.

Case last year with Casey coach being ousted in womens. all players going to leave, they end up staying.

Demarcus gone last year and everyoe was going to go, if i recall only one player actually made the call to go.

Well i guess for juniors we wont see until tryouts start if it actually hurt them for both clubs. And for seniors at Mornington we wont know till March and we see what they can put on the floor.

The talk of the players from Frankston al heading to WP, what for ? D1 they are not up to that level and will get crunched.

^^ This guy/Girl.. YEP money or actions where mouths are. Don`t talk about being unhappy and do nothing.

MP well I hoe you are hppy at your new home then and not facing the same issues.

Southern Pen for there size seem to be doing quite well as it is. Fair few VC sides. State Champ women and youth in finals an still young. Men one season removed from a Grand final position.

043 I have no issue with rep players once they have been selected, if coming from another association that they play domestically at their new club. I'm not to sure if your understanding how it works now at Mornington but let me try and explain as MP hasn't possibly put it so you understand.
If you are coming from another association to tryout at Mornington you WILL NOT be considered unless you have already played 6mths (12mths next tryouts) of domestic basketball at Mornington. So let me explain if your cut or don't make a team or are unhappy at your club you need to know 12mths in advance that your unhappy so that you can start playing domestically at Mornington if that is your club of choice for the following season.
I asked a committee member after I was told this, what if in U16's you have 5 players walk from the club and 5 players wanting to come over; I was told they couldn't unless they had played domestically for 6mths here. I then asked what of the other 5 players if they don't have enough for a team, the response they would be cut......not to sure where you come from but small associations need these kids not just for Rep but domestic.......absolute insanity

#8043. There is no problem with playing domestic. Unfortunately the new rule at Mornington states a player must be playing domestic in July 2015 to be eligible for tryouts for rep. Doesn't allow for any new TALENT. That is the problem.

What about where someone transfers interstate and chooses to move to the Mornington area, then goes to the closest club, being Mornington. Hi just moved into the area and my son/daughter wants to try out. Sorry come back in 12 months when you have played domestic here. OK see you after one year of playing at Western Port (or where ever). Yea that'll happen that they come back.

I think Knox (if they still have the same rule) have it right. You come to play Knox rep ball you play in our domestic program. You stop playing domestic, you get cut from the rep team.

What this does is blame kids for a perhaps naive decision make by parents. If it is as reported, it is a very poor decision made by people who don't understand the game and don't understand how to grow an association.

Dandenong requires its juniors to play domestic also

If you move to the area that's different, I asked what is defined as moving to the area for e.g. Langwarrin to Mt Eliza? Or Dandenong to Mornington? Or Sunbury to Mt Martha? They said each case would be treated individually, that says to me if your a required player we will take you but players moving areas doesn't happen no where near as much as players changing associations.
#087 it is correct unfortunately, we lost a minimum of quality 3 coaches due to this decision, there was a VC player from another association who was told not to bother coming to tryouts. You nailed it when saying it is a rule made by those who don't understand growing and association or basketball.

At the end of the day if you arent happy then leave or rally together and change it.