I know a girl who was successful after attending the trials

The worst part of the cost of NITP is the poor quality of the coaches delivering it and the travel that players/parents have to do to be apart of it in the country regions.....

It has really fallen away !!

Its fairly convenient timing that these threads about NITP emerge not long after selection emails are sent out. It's pretty simple, if you think its too expensive, don't see the value and don't appreciate the time the coaches put in to make your kid better, then don't participate.

#286 they don't need to leave their club. If they are happy close to home, playing with friends etc then stay where they are.

But NITP and Elite programs are for those playing in the highest level of competition.

You can't have it both ways.

And NITP is different from the TI Camps which I assume you are talking about.

Did this D3 "talent" go to the TI camps? You do know TI stands for "Talent Identification"! And if such a strong talent, would absolutely dominate the 2nd camp, and get noticed straight away. Your suggestion that our results on a national stage could be improved by noticing this D3 talent is hilarious!
Talent is identified, no matter where it is playing.
An U/17 representative for Australia from SA was rotating into D2 as recently as the last summer season. Another player in NITP, who was a reserve for his state team, was playing D2 as recently as the end of the summer season at a different club.
There are plenty of issues with NITP, but identifying the talent is not one of them.

In SA coaches are now being forced to pay for the privilege of coaching at ECC and SCC. All being done to trips that already make profits from players paaying.

This will only decrease the standard of coaches applying and the development the kids get.

NITP camps in SA are nothing more than a profit creator for the program.

Player don't need to attend to be selected into NITP.

they're not NITP camps.

They're holiday camp money makers for elite kids.

Shift your kid to a decent rep program that can offer individuals or has an elite system for the kids that want to do more, problem solved.

If you don't do the NITP in SA you don't make state teams and are excluded from the pathway.

Yep
1.take a look at Venues, ours was laughable. Local High School, one court up to 20 players ( male and female ) and local coach. ( Justin would attend every 3 weeks or so )
2. No uniforms
3. Had to pay for the camps$$$$$
4. No written feedback
5. In fact no feedback unless you were the 2 in NPP green and gold uniforms

But hey my son made it 3 years in a rows, so we have bragging rights!

NITP funds the resources that go into the NPP athletes....

In NSW NITP is $500 per year, camps, gear etc included. It is subsidised, and is an absolute bargain!

NSW NITP is $850 for the coming year as BA have cut funding. It's a bit of a hike.

How can NSW charge so much and other states don't charge anything

YESSSsssss

Are you kidding me . 100 Counrty Vic players on the cusp of representing their State. Over 60 Boys and over 40 girls. Really !!!

VIC charge I believe.

Not sure how much, but Justin said in a press release 170 turned up and 100 made it, wow Vic Country have some talent coming through.

So if Vic Country charge like NSW that's $85000 a year.

Makes complete sense.

Is NITP run the same in each state I thought that is was I don't really understand the amounts that these players coaches have to pay

Isn't NITP supposed to be a small group 15 or so Metro and Country players training together once a week the best players for their age in the State to improves their skills and push each other to improve so they can go onto represent their State and even their Country. Reading some of the above posts doesn't sound like it's the players best interest being looked after if these kids / parents are being charged $850 for the privilege it's no surprise that kids pull out change sports. Parents of these players are already paying huge amounts of money for these kids to play weekly if there good enough to then pay $2500 to represent their State why the extra on top and sounds like it's only some states charging ?

Can't see an improvement on the horizon for VICM as their new head coach only has two years of coaching experience, none at the elite level...

Who is the new VicM Head Coach?

Kristen Veal is the new High Performance Coach for VIC Metro, feedback from those lucky enough to have worked with her at the COE say she was the best there.

Yep. Easy to get that when you don't have to make the tough calls, are not responsible for the athletes competitive performance.

There is no accountability in these roles. If you have a national program partially funded by ASC and state governments you need to be able to demonstrate uniform outcomes and results. There is no accountability except in pockets where the people in the roles are self motivated and driven and set their own performance measures to deliver.

The accountability and real work is done at the rep club level.

Oh and now BA is killing off the pathway for the people doing the real work and development how long will they bother volunteering their time for little to no reward. "it's about the athlete" only goes so far with people. If you want basketball to be great build up and strengthen pathways, not weaken them which is what happens everytime a dodgy appointment like this one takes place.

"The accountability and real work is done at the rep club level."

Absolutely. The vast majority and accountability falls onto the rep programs, they are the ones who spend the most time developing and working with these athletes.

If anything the National programs simply take the credit for other peoples hard work.

The appointment smacks of nepotism and is a farce. The fact is 95% of VicM coaches have more coaching experience than their "mentor". How can any coach respect her judgements when she doesn't have any experience herself in the areas she is judging others on?

I think it is absolutely critical to ensure that rep programs are filled with qualified people striving for excellence. These people work incredibly hard for very little to no reward and the athletes that make it ultimately do so as a result of the efforts of these people.

Australian basketball is built on the back of a highly skilled, committed and dedicated workforce and has a tradition of delivering good outcomes globally, relative to other countries where junior development is much higher resourced.

Does BA value this? Why do these people bother? When appointments like this are made the answer is clearly - NO. This is ultimately going to weaken development not strengthen it.

I think coaches involved in rep and state programs have an understanding that their development pathway is dictated by politics just as much as the athletes. Either you're prepared to ride the swings and merry-go-rounds of having association and state people who do and don't like you move through senior roles, or you're not. Plenty (I won't speak for everyone) of us couldn't care less about impressing high performance staff who have little to do with us and usually move on after a couple of years. We're there because we enjoy the game, and working with talented or at least effort-driven kids.

That's also where rep level can be a lot more rewarding for coaches than state or something like NITP. There might be less talent around, but you get a genuine opportunity to engage with it and improve it over a number of years.

Two things of note from the recent u16/u18 girls NITP trials were the selection of at least two injured players, one who has a long term injury.
I thought the main criteria was what you did on the day, not any previous performance.
The other was there was no shooting tests done.
Which I thought should be the most significant skill the players need to display.

"I thought the main criteria was what you did on the day, not any previous performance."


Are you kidding? So if the best U18 player in the State who's dominated everyone for 2 years turns up with an injury and can't trial you're going to say "Oh sorry. Seeya"

Stupid

If you were in NITP the previous year and you are injured and cannot trial, you are given "the benefit of the doubt" and are automatically selected. This is the rule of thumb for Vic Country and I will presume for all other States.

Yes there are players and families that are smart and play this system....

Thanks, that helps clear it up a bit.
So is the squad pretty well picked despite on the day performances?

Sorry what's SSV

School Sports Victoria I am presuming.

As I have had a child go through NITP and have watched the process over a few years I think for the most part they actually choose the right kids & just because you make it one year doesn't guarantee that it will be the case the following it takes determination and willingness by the players to improve and commitment from the player & parents. It's not for all I've seen players come and go, other players given a shot. At the end of the day it's about the opportunity to improve and excel at an Elite level. If your child's missed out this year it means they need to work harder, as we all know kids develop at different ages grow, improve get stronger this can make a massive difference for some in twelve months the whole height thing is huge and it does take the taller kids longer for things to come together some will get there some won't. If it's meant to be it will.

At ^ anon I too had my child make NITP and once she was selected I could not care less about others. We are all about our own children. BUT be true to this thread many are simply chosen to make up numbers an I question your understanding of Elite. You cannot in your right mind think that the 600+ plus players in NITP programs in Australia can be Elite.

Wow 600+ not sure how you came up with that figure 16/17 players each State & yes it is the Elite players in our State or the players who show potential due to height to be Elite & no I haven't forgotten the " others " we have other children who wanted to follow that dream who don't have the same talent & dedication we also have friends who have kids going through the system now. I'm just saying as parents support your kids provide the opportunity to get them where they need to be & let them have fun. NITP or not !

865 which State are you from ?. I agree with other anon. My son is in NITP in Geelong and this year we have over 20 players who have been selected from 3 associations. We are 1 of many Satellite venues in Country Victoria and I would also like to discharge the myth about the age of players being selected. In our group the players are 15, 16 and a couple will turn 17 during the year. So to presume there is possibly 600 plus in programs is not unreasonable.

SA and I believe the current program which consists of metro / country players have an elite group of 16-18 players with ages from youngest being 14 oldest 16

Are the couple of kids turning 17 this year in the Australian system / squads ?If not I think there too old for the program I could be wrong but ....

Wow we may have 16/18 who make NPP but NITP is stacked.

Yes we have 1 in current U17 team but he was in NPP, others have played State as bottom age this year

What's NPP ?

They will turn 17 next year but as NITP is just starting in Vic they are in until U18 Natinals next year.

National Performance Program

So made the Aus Camp ?

???? U17 team to play in qualifier next week in NZ. Camps all done and dusted.

So not 17 this year 16 so "done and dusted "

Talent in NSW is selected at U13 with All Stars, then again at U14 and U15 TAP camps. These programs are selected by trial, and then the kids are assessed at these camps, as well as holiday camps, rep games etc. D-league and EEC are extra on top.

At least that is how it has been.

Then if they are selected at U13 All Star, TAP etc. why not just ask the players who are deemed good enough to participate, instead of asking everyone to apply then get very disappointed children who were never in the running for a position.

Yes, i agree with this. This year the application was posted so anyone could apply, whereas in previous years applications were sent only to those that had attended TAP. I am not sure why the change, but things may change now that Mark has left.

If your child missed out and is disappointed, tell them to keep trying. Get in front of the BNSW coaches at every opportunity by attending holiday camps, attending all trials etc. NITP starts at bottom age U14 i think. My child was a late starter and was taken in 12 months later, and i know of 2 others that came in after that, so don't give up.

There is of course other development opportunities. NITP is not as cheap as it was, and the money can be sent on private coaching as well as any development your association provides. The good thing about NSW NITP is that exclusion does not exclude your child from D-League, ECC, and State. These are treated separately, so if you are good enough you can get selected.