LC
Years ago
European Tour: Boomers vs Lithuania
Found a legit link to watch the game online LIVE!
2:30am AEST.
Australia vs Lithuania via Sporto TV
LT
Years ago
good luck fellas. go easy on us we're missing our best players
Some_fulla
Years ago
What's Lithuania like?? Do they have everyone? Is bogut playing in these games? I guess exum is still injured...
Starting 5?
Delly/Martin
Goulding/Gibson
Broekhoff/newley
Motum/bairstow
Bogut/Anderson/jawai
gwb
Years ago
Nothing has been said about exum injury,but it's a sprained ankle I am sure he is fit to play. It was a few weeks back now
Gibbo, exum, broekhoff, motum, Bogut starting 5.
Motum looking good early.
GWB
Years ago
Theyre all playing very well. good ball movement, spacing and shooting. I am very impressed!
Gibbo, Martin and Goulding fighting for a spot in rio?
Mills comes in...
Baynes no doubt will replace jawai.
But will simmons replace Anderson?
Boomers look goog, good ball movement.
Jawai has slimmed down but still as soft as anything around the basket. Go up strong!
GWB
Years ago
So far, the team has played as well as you could hope. I am wondering why Delly isn't playing? But having said that, Gibbo has done a fine job distributing the ball. The teams starting 5 looks very good, but as soon as you put Jawai in they seem to struggle. He has been a liability, and I hope we don't need to rely on him down the track - he is not the player he use to be.
I thought I saw Delly out there in the 1st Qtr?
It's a touch blurry but whoever it was looked like a spitting image of Delly.
Bairstow no real loss.
Goulding can't play d.
Broekhoff will probably switch over to sg in rio.
Bogut needs to ease up on those long left hand hooks
Delly/exum
Mills/broekhoff/
Ingles/newley
Motum/bairstow/simmons
Bogut/baynes
1 spot available.. Who gets it?
Simmons won't make it over Andersen and I'd take Gibbo over Bairstow.
Bogut/Baynes/Motum/Andersen is enough of a big man rotation for 40 min games
GWB
Years ago
Textbook Anderson fumblefoot there. What a great warm up game against a tough Lithuanian side? Just what the team needs. Our offence is looking a bit stagnant now, though.
lithuanians are missing half their team we should be doing better
GWB
Years ago
Hmm. Maybe we should be a tad concerned, then? Offence has dried up. Patty Mills would turn this into a 20 point lead.
GWB
Years ago
Yeah, he is a high school kid, but he has more upside than anyone we have. He will be a year into college next year and ready to make a contribution. He is already built like a man. I have no doubt he will edge Anderson out for a spot.
As for this game, first quarter was decent, second quarter was subpar. Once again we are left scratching our heads wondering where to get buckets from. Give the ball to Motum and let him work, I think.
Lithuanian entire side is not playing.
Simmons is 6'10 240 now. I'm sure he can bang with the bigs as seen at camp against Anthony Davis, harden etc.
More versatility, more skill.
Only less experience....
The final squad will be imo:
Delly/exum
Mills/broekhoff/1 of gibbo or Goulding
Ingles/newley
Motum/simmons/1 of bairstow or Anderson
Bogut/baynes
I'm not saying Simmons won't end up a better player than Andersen was but we're talking the here and now not how good he might be 4-5 years down the track. He's a skinny kid he would get abused at international level.
GWB
Years ago
Yeah, Anderson has experience and is a good player, but I think I would rather have Simmons. It will depend how Simmons goes in college, of course, and he may not necessarily edge out Anderson specifically, but someone is giving up a spot to him I am sure.
For a first hit out, we aren't doing too badly. But we have lost something from the first quarter. We looked like we were going to run away with it.
GWB
Years ago
Where is Bairstow and Delly tonight? Is it likely that Lemanis is just resting some players on some nights in the lead up? I thought Gibbo did a pretty good job replacing Delly. I can't really pick what Delly would be doing at the moment that is any different to what Gibbo is bringing.
Brock Motum was great for a bit there too. He will have to be an offensive focus. Was nice to see some Bogut passing.
Simmons is 6'10 240 plays the 3/4
Anderson is 6'11 245 plays the 4/5
After college you can probably assume simmons will be almost 250.
It's more likely that bairstow will be cut. But he to looks like he can shoot the 3 now.
GWB
Years ago
If everyone is in full health, Jawai probably wouldn't even make the camp at this rate
And Andersen is pretty weak as it is despite being well into his 30's he's a full grown man been playing pro ball for 17 years. I can remember him as rookie with Wollongong in the late 90's. Come next year Simmons still wouldn't have played a single pro game.
I like Motum he's got a real good chance of being in the NBA next season. Stretch fours are all the rage and he shot 47% on 3's last season with the 36ers.
Who's #7 is that Gibbo with the bushy beard?
I thought that was Delly.
GWB
Years ago
Why do they continue with Jawai? He has fucked up in every sequence hes been involved in
Over the past few years every game Jawai has played for the Boomers has looked like the first game of basketball he's ever played.
GWB
Years ago
Its like he spends his life eating pies until the boomers call him up.
To his credit he looks reasonably slim for Jawai standards but he's so soft under the basket and just seems like he's never played the game before.
GWB
Years ago
Well I hope they bring bairstow into the line up for the rest of the series and hide Jawai nice and deep in the rotation for when we need the big lug to get out there and foul someone.
Good first quarter but we've looked pretty ordinary ever since
Missing entire sf, pf and c lineups -Lithuania.
We're missing Mills, Delly, Baynes, Ingles & Bairstow though
They've been destroying us execution wise the last 3-4 mins of this game
GWB
Years ago
Pathetic. Just another underwhelming end to another underwhelming game in Andre Lemanis' underwhelming international resume.
Delly will stifle most of those 3's. The others can't get out and defend.
Lithuania win 80-68
We were thoroughly outplayed the last three quarters.
Lithuania go about 5-7 guys deep in every position...
It's there number one sport....
Dellys d and mills tenacity would have reduced a lot of the 3 point shots they took.
Baynes coming in over jawai would have reduced a lot of the easy baskets in the post.
We know who didn't make the cut...
Lithuania are a top 5 nation.
We did ok...
I agree... Never liked 'lemon'iss..
GWB
Years ago
I don't think there are any excuses for that. Yes, it is their first game together but after quarter 1 they looked so horrendously stifled. This surely can't be the team the media is hyping? Surely?
Andrew Bogut was next to useless offensively save for a few nice passes. David Anderson gives us more value on offence. Who thought that could ever be said? Jawai once again plays like a victim of his own weight and gravity. I swear I remember a time when Jawai was a good player. I didn't invent that in my own mind did I? None of those players could have stayed in front of Exum, but of course Exum could only switch on the jets once or twice - wouldn't want to go to your strengths too much, would you? Brad Newley still can't seem to hit his shots. I remember a Brad Newley that use to shoot the shit out of it, what the hell happened? Goulding wont make the Rio side because he is only half a player. Give us a call when you can prevent more points than you score, Bubbles.
On the upside, Broekhoff looked decent and picks up a lot of boards for his size. Motum was Australias best player by an absolute landslide - it wasn't even close. Gibson was adequate, as was Martin who shocked the world with a 3 pointer. Anderson made a few nice plays, mixed with his usually baby giraffe fumbling antics. And Bogut turned up and wore a green and gold jersey for the first time in almost a decade.
Losing to Lithuania's B team is not a good look, guys. I hope Lemanis hasn't burnt his bridges with Patty, we might be needing him.
GWB
Years ago
The Boomers led by Lemanis have played only 1 good game - the one we played last year when we beat Lithuania (full strength). Other than that, it has been nothing but underwhelming.
Losing to Lithuanian 2 or 3 side ain't such a big deal.
It's not like we Lost against Fiji.
Lithuania is one of the best basketball nations.
mills, delly, simmons, baynes and ingles will solve a lot of the current problems. we will field a very nice team that may be capable of bringing home a medal in rio.
Nz is a very good,side. A side that has always gelled well. But with no Adams and no pledger...loe and 17 yr old Wynyard are their only legit bigs. If we defend the perimeter well, We should beat them comfortably.
Needs Simmons in ASAP. Simmons is an abosulte monster.
LC
Years ago
Tough loss, but first game together. Plenty of scope to improve.
Overnight, Croatia snatched victory away from the Tall Blacks thanks to a buzzer-beating triple.
The Russians, Serbians, Croatian and Lithuanians are among the toughest basketball nations to play, they are very, very good at basketball and it is at the top of their national sport tree, only behind soccer.
No Exum 4th quarter and get blown out 4th quarter?
He looked like the most class of the bunch.
He needs to be supported.
Lemanis is totally out of his coaching depth at this level - sadly it will take heavy losses at rio to realise this
it can't be a surprise to anyone that we strugggled to score in this game without the two guys who do our scoring against quality opponents :) eg mills, ingles
gwb
Years ago
I also think he's out of his depth, but I hope yo be proven wrong
You people do realise that winning and losing on this tour means nothing right? We dont play Delly and we dont play Bairstow. This tour is all about trialing combinations, strategy etc. Plus, we arent going to show all our cards to NZ so they can sit down on Synergy and scout the hell out of us. NZ and getting to Rio via direct qualification is the prize. These are "warm-up" games.... nothing to see or worry about here
GWB
Years ago
Rotations and all of this aside, players play to win and coaches like to win too. I really don't like the way things ended in last nights game, but to be fair we probably would have won had Jawai not stepped onto court. He had perhaps the worst performance I have ever seen of any Boomer ever. He use to be a good player about 8 years ago, now I think he should just quit.
The fact that Gibson is in the team at all is an absolute joke!
The ONLY reason he might be there is because of his NBL profile, therefore may put more bums on seats in Melbourne vs the Tall Blacks as opposed to a more talented younger player.
Otherwise terrible choice if picked purely on basketball ability.
GWB
Years ago
Ah the Gibson bashing again. Good good. If you actually watched last nights game, you would see he was one of our better performers. I don't necessarily think Delly would have played a better game than Gibson did. Who is this up and coming point guard that you think should have taken his spot? What undercooked kid with more hype than substance would you have put there? We are trying to win a series, not blood talent. I wish people would stop trying to make tomorrows team when we have games to win today.
GWB
Years ago
Plus, come on. I doubt they put him in the team because he is going to draw a crowd? You really believe that?
anonymous
Years ago
Sorry everyone but the Bogut days have passed. He brought nothing and took away a spot on the court for a player who could offer more. I would be happy to not have him. And on Dante, he took players with him out of the lanes and opened them up but the IQ of some of the players and lack of court vision did not see the opening he had created and took no advantage. He does so much more off the ball. Again, Boguts days are done. We have lived a fantasy of what if he could play again for Boomers but he is past it and the game has changed. Fast and small would be better. No perimeter shot, can't keep the ball was taken out several times and if he is not providing the rebounds, really what the is the point having a big like him..
Exum really annoys me, all potential and an amazing opportunity but doesn't seem to want it.The great players of the NBA work extremely hard to be that great. Exum just doesn't play with much purpose and rarely do you see what he's capable of (ie attack the basket).I would be happy if he improves just don't see it happening.
This would have been a complete blowout if it wasn't for Motum, Great to see him playing well.
GWB
Years ago
Okay, slight change of tune here, but for many of these players it is the first game theyve played in 2 or 3 months. I think we need to just keep that in perspective.
As for Dante, yes, he does seem to just float through games as much as possible. He showed signs in one summer league game, but he needs a coach that is going to instil him with the confidence to take over. I am not sure Lemanis is that coach.
I got angry last night and jumped quick. I think we need to consider that this is their first game together, many haven't played for a while, and just wait til game 2 or 3 before we judge what is happening.
But certainly, they looked very ordinary last night
Exum should have the ball in his hands.
Even with Delly and Mills in the team.
As a junior he excelled with the ball in his hands and it looks like it will be the same at the Jazz.
He is clearly the most talented, he needs to be given free reign in this team.
I like Jawai but this game would have had to have ranked as his worst performance ever. He literally turned the ball over everytime he touched it. Nothing went right for him at all.
Note to Damian Martin:
You are a midget in International ball. If you don't make contact on a box out and ride the guy for the whole possession until ball secured, then forget about playing.
We will need Bogut on Defense (post and rim protection) against some teams at the Olypmics. Although he will be unplayable at times.
On offense he needs to be used more as a passer out of the high and lost post. Throwing it into him at the post and letting him go to work is a negative EV situation.
Dante doesn't have a dominate personality and he will try to fit in and defer to the older players. We saw in Australin junior teams and summer league that when he is given alpha status that he will attack and create although he has been quite passive in the senior green and gold team while working his way into the group.
Simmons not making the team over Anderson? LMAO that is hilarious. Yes, who needs one of the most talented and exciting young players in the world when you have a guy that's so unco he struggles catching the ball.
Simmons withdrew to get ready for his freshman year at LSU.
He will be a one and done so he wanted to be heavily involved with everything they do in order to be ready for a big season.
Andersen despite his faults was clearly our second best player last night with 12pts, 5reb, 2stl. He keeps getting picked year after year for a reason.
Bogut played 20min and had 0pts, 1reb, 3ast, 0/7 fg
But yeah I will be every surprised if Motum doesn't make an NBA roster.
I meant people saying that Simmons wouldn't make our full strength team over Anderson. I understand why he isn't playing the warmup games.
Andersen can play well occasionally but for the most part he's just a hindrance. Fumbles rebounds, turns it over, bricks shots etc. Throughout the WC he was more of a detriment to the team than a positive.
GWB
Years ago
Anderson is a mixed bag. If we had all available bigs I doubt he would be out there. Now that Bairstow has found his 3 point shot, I think Anderson's role is in danger.
Something that has stood out with Lemanis's coaching since he took over has been the 'motion' offence that doesn't seem to have a lot of purpose. There appears to be a fair bit of motion for motion's sake.
Also, I like the idea of running the offence through the post, whether it's Bogut/Jawai/Andersen etc. but it feels a little predictable to defences when you go there every time, and especially when those post players aren't really posing a scoring threat.
The other problem which isn't really Lemanis's fault is that we don't really have a guard who can create his own shot or get into the paint to make a play. Delly lacks the speed, Gibson lacks the speed, Exum lacks the handle, and Martin lacks the speed and the handle. When your guards aren't able to do this (at least consistently) it's harder to break down opposition defences.
GWB
Years ago
Last nights game really shows how important Baynes and Mills are to us.
Green 33
Years ago
049 what makes Anderson the second best player, what just because he scored the second highest amount of points? Just because you score a high amount of points doesn't always necessarily mean you have had a good game. For someone of his size he should be getting the most rebounds, that didn't happen. So his 12 points, 5 rebounds, 3 turnovers and no assists he had a great game?
Hopefully Lemanis will develop some good sense and let Mills back into the team for the Oceania series. Mills has been a very committed and important Boomer, so he deserves some leeway. Without Ingles and Baynes available, we need some more scoring power. Otherwise, I would like to see more Gouldingas, in spite of his defensive deficiencies against world-class opponents.
Ingles and Baynes are definitely very important pieces to the Boomers team. I would say Baynes is more valuable than Bogut for this particular Boomers team, which lacks scoring power and distributors.
rjd
Years ago
Bogut didn't do much, but this pass was sweet: https://youtu.be/a0NFXI7QMWI?t=2448
This team will never succeed if Newley keeps his current hair. He looks like an early 80s Hulk Hogan. He'll be playing in a bandana by the time he comes back to the NBL to finish his career.
As long as he doesn't try and rock a skullet the Boomers have a bright future.
Nz is a quality side.
Can't underestimate them....
Exum playing sf for a while... Lol.
And he started at sg? Wtf lemanis...
The future? Very bright...
Exum/White
Adel/drmic/?
Simmons/bolden/mcveigh
T.maker/?
Humphries/?
Others in contention?
Vasljevic
Clark
McCarron
Gak
Mathiang
Greenwood
Krebs
J.white
M.maker
Jois
Acuil Joseph
Landale
Malone
Perry
Mading
Hooley
Hill
Trist
Older players.
Bunch of youngsters...
We pulled players in the 4th, obviously a warm up and winning was second to combos and prep etc
Jawai was useless. All this dumb talk about Andersen v Simmons. Simmons walks in and can take Jawai's spot. At full strength both Andersen and Jawai miss out. You have to respect Andersen though, never misses a national game, plays a role, massive baby giraffe I agree
Exum needs to be the starting PG and run it. His passing and speed were good in this game, however the lack of aggression in drives is frustrating. Maybe playing cautiously due to ankle and will hopefully be more assertive as we go. No one on litho team could stay with him, they fouled him every time he attacked ... I still think he's going to be gun
anonymous
Years ago
Tired of watching crappy defence and open back doors at this level. No excuses, it's just not good enough. Yes Exum was intentionally fouled at all costs whenever he got his run on. That shows how much he is rated around the world and the level of concern teams and coaches have. Says mountains about where he is heading.
6'4 delly/ 1-2/6'6 exum 1-2
6'0 Mills 2-1/6'7 broekhoff 2-3/6'2 Gibson 2-1
6'8 Ingles 3-2/6'7 newley 3-2
6'10 Motum 4/ 6'9 bairstow 4-5/6'10 simmons 4-3
7'0 Bogut 5/6'10 baynes 5-4
Which means most players can play 2 positions.
Out goes..
Jawai
Anderson
Martin
Goulding
paul
Years ago
Exum is an international SG at this point of his career, just doesn't have the smarts to run a team, particularly against NZ who mix their defences up as well as anyone.
It took Lemanis too long to learn that lesson last year, but hopefully that's where he plays this year. If he gets the ball with rotations happening he can slice to the basket and do some damage.
Maybe exum can't run this team cause they don't run any decent plays ?
Didn't see him have too many problems running Utah Jazz - one of the best technical teams in the nba last season
paul
Years ago
I think you'll find they kept it very simple for Dante, as you would for any point guard with so little experience. I'm sure they saw him struggle to even read the unprepared Korean defence at the World Cup, it's just a learning experience for him.
Re running 'plays', international basketball (and even NBL basketball) moved predominantly to concepts some time ago, as it is too easy for defences to interrupt plays. He might become a good international PG in time, but I think his strengths are best utilised at the 2 where he mostly just has to worry about attacking to score or dish.
paul
Years ago
If you're in doubt how much Exum struggled at last year's WC, his +/- per 40 minutes was -6.4 despite the majority of his minutes coming against weaker opposition.
Jawai was the only other Boomer in negative territory, and the average for the rest of the team was +6.3.
He'll have improved a lot from being in his first pro environment, but it's best to let him just play now, rather than have to worry about what the other nine players on the floor are doing all the time.
Exum has a very good bball IQ - you could see that yesterday.
He is very good finding open men on the pick and roll.
He is clearly Australia's best pg with regards to faclitating the play.
Mills should play next to him as a scoring threat.
His def is extremely good.
The Exum haters are pathetic to be honest.
He should be supported and given the reigns.
paul
Years ago
He should run pick an roll out of the SG spot, good and penetration and dish. Now that Lemanis has wisely released him from the PG burden he wasn't ready for that will hopefully shine a lot more, rather than him having a negative impact on court like last year.
There is no point bothering with some people.
This place typifies 2 Australian traits:
Tall Poppy Syndrome
Racism
rjd
Years ago
Can I just reiterate that I am annoyed that Mills has been excluded from the Oceania series? Just when there is a near sell-out for a Boomers game in a 15,000 seat arena, Lemanis chooses to exclude the most entertaining player on the Boomers roster, the player who can most closely match the hype that surrounds him (unlike players like Exum and a seemingly impaired Bogut). The qualification is important; but this game is even more important as a showcase of the Boomers team. A sell-out and on TV. We NEED every star player who is available. And Mills will be available.
Mills has been extremely loyal and committed to the Boomers, and he is essentially our star player. On this Boomers team, we need his scoring punch. I understand Lemanis is trying to make a culture of full commitment, but given he has legitimate injury issues that preclude him from playing the European series (not that he just wants to visit a music festival), surely there is a level of special consideration for him.
Let him back in, Lemanis.
paul
Years ago
It mostly typifies anonymous trolls who ignore facts put before them when they have no response, and instead try to slander the people they are arguing against.
paul
Years ago
I agree RJD, but the worst part is he will undoubtedly help our chances of qualifying! He's easily our most potent offensive weapon.
NZ have shown how good they are on this Europe tour, and if Corey Webster gets on a serious scoring run at a crucial time who have we got that can answer? No one.
Our full strength team will have 2 ball handling guards on the floor most of the time. Whether Dante brings the ball down the court and calls a play matters little, as long as he has a chance to run some pick n rolls and create offense with a decent usage rate.
fstos
Years ago
I'm with you rjd. Mills needs to be in the team. legitimate excuse and a guy who has supported the program.
GWB
Years ago
Lemanis will be forced to bring Mills in if we keep playing as we did the other night.
Jawai out - Mills in. Sounds fair to me.
We will still beat NZ regardless but it sure would make life easier if Mills was in the team. Outside of Motum this team doesn't have much offensive weapons.
A point some overlook on Exum is that in order to be the primary facilitator of the offence and run the pick and roll as the PG he needs to tighten up his handle. As Paul alluded to many of the better international teams play tight, disruptive defence. Exum can't use his superior size and athleticism against those defences without being solid with the ball on both sides of his body.
Lemon balls has messed up big re Mills - didn't know it has gone down like that
Lemon balls has messed up big re Mills - didn't know it has gone down like that
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