His agent must have options from other teams surely. Maybe Portland, Houston

I reckon delly should be getting 6 mil as a starter. good of him to take a cut

If I was him I would sign up quick smart because the cavs don't need him and another club is not going to get him to play 5 minutes a game. If he doesn't sign soon he will probably play nbl this season

A guy who shoots 20% inside the paint is worth the offer sheet the cabs have already extended to him. $4 million for someone who has zero offensive ability is a joke

I wouldn't think someone who became just the 3rd undrafted player in history to have a 20 point game in an NBA Finals series has 'zero offensive ability'.

Mate are you talking about the guy who who won the Cavs two of their finals games? No Delly - cavs would have got swept.

Give him the money, it will be worth it in the jersey sales.

That's such a dumb stat to keep bringing up. Apart from that game what did he score? How many games with no points did he have in the finals despite playing 36+ minutes?

He can shoot uncontested assisted 3s. That's it. He's an average point gaurd to boot.

Cory Joseph got that to be back up point gaurd and Toronto always has to overpay to get free agents interested. Same reason the money going to Sacramento players has to be taken with a grain of salt.

If you think Delly won the cavs two games because of his defence on Steph then you also have to say he lost them the last three when he started defending only slightly better than a trash can

Knicks have Langston Galloway fresh of a 2nd all rookie team debut season as back up point gaurd. Debatable Delly is any better than him.

Rockets have prigioni as back up point gaurd, wouldn't be hard for Delly to take over his spot. Much better landing spot. Also would never shoot the ball which is a bonus

Delly is not worth $4mill per season, this must be a misprint, thats off the charts stupid! Goodish player in spurts but no where near worth that money.

I think unless be has another team willing to pay, i would just take the lower $ at multi year. Your still making good cash and your in the NBA. A 2 or 3 year deal at low cash is easy to move so you may find yourself on another team with better opportunities down the track anyway.

I would bet Delly is willing to sign for less than $4m per, this would be his agent trying to get the best possible deal from the on-set knowing they will be negotiated down.

If the Cavs are offering Tristan Thompson a 5 year deal for $80m (which he's not willing to sign) I don't think it's too outrageous for Delly to be asking say 2 years/$8m or 3 years/$12m right off the bat.

3 years for $9-$10m might be a bit more realistic given the Cavs future luxury tax penalties.

Anons 367 & 368, Steph Curry made some of the best defenders in the league look like "trash cans" all season long. That's why he was the MVfreakinP!!! NO ONE CAN STOP HIM. Delly did a bang up job in the first 3 games but couldn't sustain it in a 6 game series. Not many players in the league would have either.
I can't believe how negative people are on this site lately. I'm visiting less and less and every time I do I just get angry at all the morons posting negative crap. I'm at the point now where I don't think it adds any value to basketball any more.
Isaac and the admin team need to lift and start banning IP addresses or something. It's unbearable!

Catchya champ

If Delly is so good please explain why a) no other team has sent him an offer sheet, b) why the cavs refuse to pay him $4 million in a league that has just paid Cory Joseph $7 million a year and c) why the cavs needed to get mo williams in?

I don't see why you wouldn't give someone who can't defend at an NBA level for more than two games in a row $4 million

"If Delly is so good please explain why a) no other team has sent him an offer sheet, b) why the cavs refuse to pay him $4 million in a league that has just paid Cory Joseph $7 million a year and c) why the cavs needed to get mo williams in?"

Did you read the article?

He's a restricted free agent and teams around the league don't want to wait the time and effort (ala Portland with Kanter) when they expect the Cavs to match the offer.

The Cavs have already spent close to $200 million this offseason on LeBron, Love and Shumpert alone with TT wanting around $85m with JR Smith and Delly still to come so obviously the Cavs are looking for savings where they can on someone like Delly. The Raptors had to overpay for Joseph because Toronto is not an attractive NBA destination and Lou Williams signed with the Lakers.

The Cavs got Mo Williams because he's an upgrade on Delly, familiar with LeBron and the Cavs and would mean Delly would be reduced to a third string PG role where he could probably give more bang for buck defensively in less minutes.

But if he's some defense God like half the people on here think surely he's worth waiting for?? Cavs have no use for him now they have a decent back up and half their team can bring the ball up just to give it to Lebron anyway. They don't want to pay the luxury tax on whatever contract they give him, it's understandable, but if he was worth $4 million a year someone would have offered him it. Simple as that

"Isaac and the admin team need to lift and start banning IP addresses or something. "

What? Why? Because people disagree with you, or post something that doesn't fit in to your narrow-minded views?

Might be time to step away from the computer.

I love Delly, but Patty's on 4 mill a season and he's a much better NBA player. Delly proved he can play well on the biggest stage, but he hasn't proven that he can play a role game in and game out. Until he does that, he's not worth more than 2-3. And Cory Joseph = Higher Ceiling. How much better can Delly be than he is right now?

The tall poppy syndrome this board has with Delly is hilarious.

"I don't like that people can look past the fact that Delly is Australian and see him for the average player he is, better call tall poppy syndrome"

Dan Gilbert has so much tall poppy syndrome bringing in mo williams how dare he

It was noted Patty Mills took a discount to re-sign with the Spurs as a lot of their players do.

"The tall poppy syndrome this board has with Delly is hilarious."

You don't understand what tall poppy syndrome is.

Exactly and $3m a year would be a fair price.

http://www.fearthesword.com/2015/3/2/8127061/the-problem-of-matthew-dellavedova-synergy-sports

"Cleveland's defense has been much, much better since January 15th... except when Dellavedova is on the floor. The Cavs are more than 5 points better per 100 possessions when he is sitting on the bench. In other words, when Delly is out there, the team reverts to pre-hot-streak-level defense."

"Cleveland's offense is nearly three points better per-100 possessions when he's off the floor entirely"

For a guy who makes his team worse on both ends of the floor, he sure is gonna get paid for a couple of decent playoff games

Delly won those two games of the finals for the Cavs. No doubt about it. Not just on D but points and hustle.

Cavs ended up one of the best defensive teams with Delly. This was long before his epic finals appearance.

Give him at least $4 mil. The kid can ball.

Delly can ball but he also made the cavs 5 points worse on defense. Cavs might have been one of the best defensive teams but it was only when Delly was on the bench

That's just on defense. For half the season the cavs were 8 points per 100 possessions better off with him on the bench. I'm sure he's not that integral to them

I must say I am impressed with the anonymous's opinions that are meaningless

This isn't tall poppy syndrome, Delly is a great high energy guy, just not $4mill great. I told a mate of mine this and he said the 2 finals run he had has gone to his head haha His agent would have a very clear agenda here, and no way this guy is worth this much a season. Having said that I reckon Ingles was underpaid at $1.5 mill or whatever it was, he is a hard guy to guard once he gets going. Dell give sue spot minutes and is one dimensional. He is good at that dimension, but still from a business point of view people just need to cam down!

Ingles was only underpaid because he was on about $500K last season with the Jazz.

Sure hope you're not saying that undeniable facts are meaningless opinions

People are saying JJ Bareas $4m a year contract is overpaid so no way does Delly get that much

This issue is that the Cavs are well over the salary cap, so what ever they pay Delly they have to pay a tax penalty, so a $3million deal suddenly becomes a $6 million cost.

The same trolls who rip Delly for not being able to defend Steph Curry are surely the guys who thought the semi-profession NBL has superior players to the "amateur" Kentucky Wildcats.

Which on of those guidelines do you think has been breached here?

There are people who actually think Kentucky wouldn't go pretty close to undefeated in an NBL season? Thats almost a better joke than Delly wanting 4 million a year

If GWB, the biggest Delly defender through the playoffs to the point I trolled him excessively, can say he's worth $2 million a year, then all you people saying $4 million a year is fine are confirmed fools

475, there was a pretty funny thread about it during the NCAA tournament. Lots of folks thought the average NBL team, made up of second tier WCC and other mid major players, would wipe the floor with Kentucky because it would be "boys" against "grown men". Hoops.au has some of the least knowledgeable posters of any forum I've ever been on.

Four of their players went top 13 this year, and Australia's current "best Aussie player in the NBA at the moment" chipmunk looking golden child wasn't picked 60 times. There's delusional and then there is hoops.com.au delusional

Its weighing up talented juniors against a professional team filled with experienced players. I don't think its a given that either team would win but I'd pick the NBL team for sure (providing it was one of the top teams).

If you think pure talent is going to beat a structured team, check out the 1976 ABA All Star game.

Another great argument. Kentucky is coached by one of the greatest basketball minds in the world. I would reckon their assistants are more knowledgeable and get paid more than the top NBL coaches. Have you seen Kentucky's training facilities? The weight and nutrition program shred anything the NBL provides. These are 19 year old physical freaks, not "talented juniors." They also happen to be th best basketball players in their age group in the best basketball country on the planet. Kentuckys program is far more "professional" than any NBL team, and the it would not be a close competition on the floor.

Wow, not only does #492 reckon lots of things, he also has in-depth knowledge of all NBL programs too, right down to their nutrition. Compelling argument!

So many trolls. That's the only excuse I can think of for someone to actually think a bunch of scrubs who are only good enough to play in the barely professional NBL would be able to score in the paint against Karl Anthony towns or get past Devon booker.

"So many trolls. That's the only excuse I can think of for someone to actually think a bunch of scrubs who are only good enough to play in the barely professional NBL would be able to score in the paint against Karl Anthony towns or get past Devon booker."

You nee to get out more, kid.

If by several you mean 2.5, then yes Delly can have that. Also couldn't get court time because his back is ruined wasn't it? $4 million is the biggest joke I've heard since someone thought an NBL team would even challenge any top college team

Cant remember the last time the best ever college player said the system was in so much trouble it needed to be shit down for a year or the last time a college bought all the other colleges so they could run the season

I reckon Wisconsin would handle most NBL teams too.

All NBL team 2015: Cedric Jackson, Scottie Wilbekin, Josh Childress, Brock Motum, Brian Conklin

Kentucky 2015: Karl Anthony Towns (drafted 1) Willey CauleyStein (6) trey lyles (12) Devon booker (13) andrew Harrison (44)

Who are you really gonna think would win?

Paul the only person who looked foolish was yourself. Continue living in your fantasy world where the NBL is on par with the Kentuckys of the world based on two college games of an NBL import. There is a reason Kentucky Basketball is worth more than the entire NBL league.

Don't know what you mean about last time, I assume I'm not the same person you were talking to.

23 points is decent, I didn't realise that. Wonder why he didn't get drafted and has to play in the NBL? His college stats weren't that bad

"All NBL team 2015: Cedric Jackson, Scottie Wilbekin, Josh Childress, Brock Motum, Brian Conklin

Kentucky 2015: Karl Anthony Towns (drafted 1) Willey CauleyStein (6) trey lyles (12) Devon booker (13) andrew Harrison (44)

Who are you really gonna think would win?"

Not sure what is worse? You missing the point, or continually shifting the goalposts to try and make a point yourself.

The all NBL team are the best players in the NBL. Then I compared them to five Kentucky players that were drafted To show people that think the NBL would get close to Kentucky that they are fucking mental

Yes but both of those players have to play in the NBL instead of the NBA where basically half of kentuckys team now is

It's pretty hard to make a credible case against the top of the NBA being comparable to the top of NCAA hoops when last season MANY players stepped out of the top levels of college basketball and performed at a very similar level in the NBA.

So most agree they'd compete with the best and beat average teams. So is our debate now whether euroleague is as good as the NBL?

What? Your own argument was that two players came here and performed at a similar level to their college stats. It's not like Scottie blew the league apart. He averaged 15 points. Two more than college.

"The all NBL team are the best players in the NBL. Then I compared them to five Kentucky players that were drafted To show people that think the NBL would get close to Kentucky that they are fucking mental"

But it started off being an NBL TEAM, not the all star five. The best NBL team would beat the NBL all star five so that is what I'm basing my comparison on.

Stop shifting the goalposts.

'You don't understand what tall poppy syndrome is'

Uh, pretty sure I do?

Every thread on Delly these days is 80% guys bagging on him. No one is saying he's a superstar or a top player. He's a guy with limited abilities who hustled his way to an NBA spot yet guys still feel the need to have cracks at him. I'd understand if he was arrogant and boastful but he seems like a humble, level headed guy. Just a true aussie battler.

Okay I thought you'd want to benefit of the five best verse five Kentucky players.

7 of 13 Kentucky players are in the NBA this year. Pick any team you want they'd still lose.

Tall poppy syndrome would be bagging him out of jealousy.
Bagging him because hes actually just an average NBA player is just stating facts isn't it?

Pretty sure if i said "Lebrons a dickhead for now he left Cleveland" you'd scream tall poppy syndrome as loud as you could

6 of 10 said they'd beat average teams, and yes all said the elite euroleague teams would win but many said the college team would compete.

The talent in the euroleague would be much higher than the NBL. Still think college would beat an NBL team comfortably.

Back in the day with Gaze, Heal and the like they'd give Kentucky a very good run for their money. These days the NBL just doesn't have those elite players that could match up on the likes of KAT or WCS. Motum is about to fail getting into the NBA for the second season in the row and they're top 6 picks. Feed the post each possession and they win. Damian Martin is the NBLs best defender, could he stay in front of a young, super athletic gaurd for a whole game?

7 players last season took more than half their shots from 3 point range. All 7 players made more than 40% of those shots. And all 7 players exclusively do the catch-and-shoot (90%+ of their 3s were assisted).

Those players? Korver, Reddick, Babbit, Patterson, Green, and... Singler and Delly.

Makes him worth $5 million a season alone

I'm sure he'd trade a million or two a year off his contract for the few rings he'll get sitting on the bench

theres no denying delly is a top tier player anymore. $4 mil is fair.

Reggie Jackson $16mil
Kyle Singler $5mil
Baynes $6.5mil
T Young $12mil
Teletovic $5mil
Joel Anthony $5mil
Cory joseph 7.5mil

and I could add 100 more.

The you have Delly. One of the highest Jersey sellers. The guy who got the Cavs there 2 wins in the NBA finals. Played solid D on Rose, Teague and Curry in the playoffs. The best hustle in the game and a team first player. Delly is legit.

This is why he wont get $4million from the Cavs.

"CLE luxury taxes (not factoring in BH) right around $41.With Matt D. it would jump to $55m.
That would be $14m/taxes and $4m salary = $18m"

Highest Jersey sellers because everyone jumped on the bandwagon. i wonder if he sold 10 during the regular season

And how many of those players got paid that money to be third stringers? Joel Anthony would be the only one.

Played so much solid D on Steph he only averaged something like 27 for the finals

- No ones offered you more
- cavs don't want to pay you
- you aren't vital to the team

You can either:

Accept the qualifying offer, play for a year on the minimum and show you can play decent for an entire season, not just sporadic games through the playoffs then come play in the NBL when you can't and no one wants you

Or, sign for 3 years 6 million and enjoy your ring or two at the end of the bench

"One of the highest Jersey sellers."

Oh dear.

To the anon throwing around +/- stats above, are those adjusted? Or do they merely reflect the fact that Delly was far more likely to play with bench units who were generally 8 points per possession worse than the starters?

I'm not making a case for Delly at 4 mill but curious whether your argument is good, or just conveniently misleading.

Fair question. Got those stats from here. I believe it's his effect no matter the group he's with but I could be wrong.

http://www.fearthesword.com/2015/3/2/8127061/the-problem-of-matthew-dellavedova-synergy-sports

Thanks

But Paul, please explain to the uninformed why Nathan Sobey would smash Devin Booker. Forget the fact that Booker is taller, bigger, stronger and faster, not to mention exponentially more skilled, Sobey is 25 and plays in a "professional" league. The 19 year old "amateur" Booker would be hopelessly outclassed. Boys against men! No wonder Calapari doesn't take his team on a preseason tour of Oz. It would be a massacre!

Ah, how can I forget Scottie. A hybrid between the second coming and a Lebron / MJ love child in your eyes. They might not be shaking in their boots, but they would be seriously outclassed. There is a reason one was a lottery pick and two are in the NBL. Being a few years older doesn't matter much when you are giving up loads of talent and athleticism.

That's $4 million U.S. as well. $5.5 million Australian. Crazy

You know whats funny, I actually think that was Delly who commented!

Delly? Is that you?
Do you even like peanut butter and jelly?