Can't believe Harry Froling missed out

Wtf lol.
I know perry was injured...
But no froling? Surely something happened to him?

W.white/Wilson
Vasljevic/krebs/glover
Mcveigh/Clark/j.white
Blagojevic/McKay
Hunter/Gak

No vague either...

I would have included Vague in for Gak, otherwise I have no problem with this team. Harry could have come in for Gak also but not ahead of Vague for me. They obviously have selected him for a reason.

This team will try to outscore everyone they play, it isn't flush with lock down defenders or players who pass to the post well, so all the post players in this team will be working hard to pick up scraps and rebound out of position. This team is abundant in shooters and scorers with not much rim protection. Froling wouldn't add to this anyway, but Vague would have. Good luck to them though, hope they do well.

Are we not getting a little ahead of ourselves here, Froling may be injured or something. Best big at Nationals, sure if you count stats based on over 35 minutes per game in a team that gives you the ball every 5 seconds, who wouldn't get great stats based on that and being his size? Duh

Froling still young enough to make under 19 team in 2017, what is the fuss about really?!

We needed at least one descent rebounder in froling.
We don't have any on this team.
If the shots don't go down, we have no chance of progressing far.

The Froling omission notwithstanding this squad is pretty much as good as could be expected given the absences of Humprhies, Adel, Bolden etc. Without a lot of legit size here's hoping the "outrun your opponents" strategy pays off.

Pretty much a guaranteed silver medal and possible gold vanished with the absence of...

Simmons
Humphries
T.maker
Bolden
Adel
M.maker
Perry

We are going to be the Fast Breakers and Sharp Shooters from Down Under, go Emus!

Lol gems squad...
Dennis over hellessey?
Pirini?
No skinner?

Magbegor has one busy couple of years...

Wallace/Pirini
Tupaea/Seaton
Maley/sharp/horvat
Froling/smith/Dennis
Scherf/magbegor

Agree Hellessey is a Gem for sure. Should be in that team, but not sure who for. Always tough to squeeze 13 into 12. :)

what about Johnny Comelately

Overloaded at the guard and wing positions. If Hunter of Gak get injured during the tournament the team will look really small.

I would say Glover out and Froiling in. (given that Perry is injured). That would be my only change.

Or Con Decending perhaps?

I think Ken Venient was unlucky

Amanda Huggenkis was a lock I thought?

The selection of this team is a massive missed opportunity for Australian Basketball. We have gone from a position were we had the players and talent to win it in a dominate (US style fashion) to well, read on.

I can only think that Froling is either injured or on the outer with Caporn.

I say this because the team Caporn has picked is so very very unbalanced (which you might get away with at the u17 level but not at the u19 as bodies are far more developed). I understand picking to a strength but having 10 guys who are being developed to play from the 1 to the 3 spot is just crazy!

There is essentially no power forwards in this team. At the centre position both Hunter and Gak (who will be really good) are both underdeveloped at the moment. Harry Froling was the only definite in the bigs and Vague had the most experience at this level, both are not in the team, again just crazy.

So far this under U19 experience has been a fail for basketball Australia and Adam Caporn. Fewer camps and tours than in the past, didn't get one player based in the US to commit to the team (even after a FIBA acticle expressing confidence he would get a few) and given the reins at the CoE to develop players for Australia's basketball needs resulted in an unbalanced team (lacking in height and weight in the bigs).

I am aware what is written is critical but this is one of the most talented groups of juniors to come through at least since the 1997 U21 champs (possibly ever) eg Mckinnon, Antsey etc. and it is a massive missed opportunity.

It is a massive missed opportunity because quality planning is at BA is still missing and that is what we need because I want to see Basketball succeed in this country...

Where does Mike Hunt fit into the equation?

I agree.. Hellessey over Dennis.
Wonder how fareo went in camp?. Thought she would get the nod over magbegor because of her size and experience.
Be interesting to see.. They might push froling or smith to centre when magbegor comes on.

I.P daily, I would have thought. Might have a spot on the bench.

Just to be serious for a minute, sorry, but I think I know how tall these guys are and if I am right and we lose Hunter or Gak to fouls or injury our next big is Blagojevic or Clark at around 6'7" or 6'6", is this how others see it? If so, then god help us against any teams with 4 genuine bigs if we can't shoot at around 55% from the field or better!

What does Dennis bring to the gems squad?

^^Greece, Serbia, USA, etc will eat us up with there height

We are in group C against Canada, Italy and Tunisia. If we some how get through to the next stage we possibly come up against, I don't know the draw or how it works?

But, some power teams in other pools exist and they are renouned for their size:

Pool A Croatia - Iran - USA - Egypt

Pool B Argentina - Spain - China - Turkey

Pool C Canada - Italy - Tunisia - Australia

Pool D Dominican Republic - Korea - Greece - Serbia

"I.P daily, I would have thought. Might have a spot on the bench"

That is slightly amusing.

Gak only in because of injury to Perry.Glover always in.

The only teams who don't have size are Korea and Australia.
We match well in our group to start, but Greece and Serbia in the next round....I'm not sure we can make a go of it.

Wow, from memory there were some great bigs at nationals this year and last year, where are they? Never mind, we can do it with our magnificent shooting and brilliant running. Because no one in the world can out shoot or out run us :(

Italy and Canada apparently have really good back courts this year.

@ 330 Hence why our team has 8 guards! Brilliant Caporn...fml

A great back court will get you to worlds, but a dominant front court can win you a medal at worlds!

Caporn has got this all wrong. Happy to be proven wrong this time but his track record with selections is hardly convincing. He continually overlooks deserving players for selection in teams/squads/CoE (whose performances at National Champs and other tournaments warrant selection) in favour of the same group of players whom he seems to favour for no logical reason.

I hope the team does well but If they don't, Caporn has to be prepared to cop some serious flack for it because he, whatever way you look at his selections, hasn't come close to picking the best team available.

Nothing personal here, as all of the kids deserve selection on their effort and merit. Glover and McDowell-White are very young however and also eligible in two years time. I am just wondering, other than their talent, if more mature bodies and size at worlds would not have been a consideration?

All the respect to the selectors and players who obviously did their best with what is available, once again nothing personal at all. This is worlds however, we are there to win, it isn't a development tournament, just saying!

Greece, who is the host, announced their team. As it stands now:

Point Guards

Nikos Diplaros '97 - 1.90 (6-3) Esperos Patras (Greek 3rd Division)

Dimitrios Stamatis '96 - 1.92 (6-4) Panionios (Greek League)

Vasileios Toliopolous '96 - 1.88 (6-2) Kolossos (Greek League)

Shooting Guards

Vasileios Mouratos '97 - 1.93 (6-4) Olympiacos (Greek League / Euroleague)

Michalis Lountzis '98 - 1.95 (6-5) Panathinaikos (Greek League / Euroleague)

Small Forwards

Vasileios Charalampopoulos '97 - 2.06 (6-9) Panathinaikos (Greek League / Euroleague)

Dionysis Skoulidas '97 - 2.00 (6-7) Peristeri (Greek 3rd Division)

Power Forwards

Kostas Mitoglou '96 - 2.09 (6-10) Wake Forest (NCAA Division I)

Ioannis Michaloutsos '97 - 2.04 (6-8) Estudiantes Lugo (Spanish 4th Division)

Centers

Georgios Papagiannis '97 - 2.18 (7-2) Panathinaikos (Greek League / Euroleague)

Georgios Tsalmpouris '96 - 2.17 (7-1) Iowa State (NCAA Division I)

Thomas Kottas '96 - 2.07 (6-9) PAOK (Greek League / Eurocup)


Greece already has two major players missing though. As both their starting point guard Antonios Koniaris (MVP of the international under 16 tournament), and their starting shooting guard Kostas Antetokounmpo (the younger brother of Giannis and Thanasis), are already out of the tournament. Koniaris due to an ankle injury, and Antetokounmpo because he could not get out of school engagements in the USA.

Still, even with their starting back court missing, Greece has a very strong team, and they are the hosts.

Let's hope we can avoid them until the final then!

check out
http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2015/groups#tab=round_1

we need to finish 1st in group C

and we will then likely miss both USA (if 1st in group A) and home team Greece (if 1st in group D)

This would be great, but would mean Spain at some stage

Great, how big are the Spaniards then?

Can we play Angola at any stage, by chance :)

We have our own giants anon^ but we continue to foster the 3 point shooting agenda. Plus how many giants do we lose to footy and other sports that Greece probably doesn't? That said, I look forward to seeing how we go, maybe we can find a David to slay their Goliath :)

Yes agree, so many tall kids who have trouble even getting up and down the court with any sort of speed, no real athletic ability, quiet often are out rebounded!, seem to be given preference just because their tall.

Morons^ ^^ will agree with each other no matter where they come together. Have you idiots ever thought that really big kids need more time to mature and develop? Love seeing three point shots bounce off the rim and your opposition dunk at the other end do you? Basketball will always need bigs but what it needs more is coaches and people who understand how to develop them and use them. Many more small kids out there who think they can shoot, where will they get us in the future? Morons :0

I am calling BS on that comment, far too much emphasis is being placed on 3 point shooting and not enough emphasis on technique and individual development for your information anon^.

There is one thing for sure. You can't learn height!

Truly, what would the result of a straw poll of US college coaches be when asked the question of what do you first look at when you need to fill your roster? Among other things, I think size and height will be one of the key components to making up the best college teams. Just ask the coaches of Duke or Kentucky or Kansas or anyone else for that matter. The idea that big kids can't run up the floor or the NBA is all about the '3' ball is narrow minded and lacks any knowledge of the game. Time isn't wasted on big players at under 19 level. The issue is that there is not enough time, not enough understanding and patience and not enough technique put into them in the small window of junior sport.

Too many 'shooters' who can't actually shoot, either. The point has been made before, but how many kids come out of the AIS/CoE with shots that look like Delly's? How many 'shooters' barely hit 30% from 3? The great thing about Curry is that he gives every little, skinny, unathletic kid hope. The disastrous thing about that is that doing what he does requires you to be the best shooter ever. A lot of imitators who just can't hit the shots will follow.

Guards that can shoot are great, guards that can shoot, also play good defence, know how to pass into the post, get a good percentage of their team's assists, get a low turnover ratio and genuinely make their team mates better on the court are desired. Too often I see stats used as an excuse and some player with a high score touted as the best or recognised for shooting 9 from 39 with only 1 assist and 7 or more turnovers with zero team play, it is becoming a bit of a joke really. We are only going to worlds because Vague and Krebs pulled us out of the shite against NZ and DJ was lucky to hit a miraculous 3 pointer on the buzzer, otherwise we would be talking about NZ and their big players facing the Greek giants!

Well given Froling is a both a good shooter for a big man as well as being coordinated, neither of those seem like valid reasons for his exclusion in the group.

Anon^ that is just stupid. Tall kids who can't catch don't make it through past domestic ball. But even small kids who can't pass shouldn't, yet that is what we get. Small kids (probably one of yours) who can't pass and just jack up shots all game. Wow, bet the future would be right if you were a selector? Have you ever actually watched a game of basketball beyond that of a three point shot being jacked up? Do you know what an inside game is, bet that term is foreign to you!

Anon^ is confused he doesn't realise this is a hoops forum, not a football forum. Now it is tall kids over 6'4" who can't catch and have zero ability! You are seriously a waste of time, you have no idea. Tall kids who are considered for National selection are 6'9" or 7' tall mate and guess what they can catch and run and can score and can protect the rim. Something your kid obviously can't do, so go back to footy mate and watch your kid run around a patch of grass in the rain and mud why don't you? Basketball does not need more kids like yours.

I wonder if when considering which bigs to take Caporn and his staff weighed up the future prospects of the players involved against their current ability/output.

Of the bigs who has the higher ceiling? I'm a little hesitant to name names when comparing players' value given how young these players all are, but is it the player (and I can think of two prominent names always mentioned as among the best current bigs in the junior ranks) with the solid fundamentals and well-rounded for his age offensive skills, but with limited (by elite standards) athleticism? Or the big who is still developing and expanding his offensive repertoire but possesses the sort of length and athleticism which will allow him to compete at the highest levels if he can develop those other skills?

This is the old development versus results debate about underage tournaments like these I guess.

True, anon 530489. Even though tall players can not shoot three throws and three pointers as good as shorter players, they can grab rebounds and block shots a lot better than midget players, which more than compensate for their weaker shooting touches. Not to mention they can alter and distract the shots of
short players in front of them because of their height advantage. Rebounds, block shots and ring protection win matches.

Leaving your bigs at home gives the coaches an excuse. Everyone can then say how "our boys did really well against much bigger opponents". I remember one year when WA got flogged (again) in the junior nationals, they were out rebounded about 2 to 1... over the whole competition.

Anon#489 it is blatantly obvious that it is you who is the ignorant one. Your knowledge of the game appears to be so narrow minded that all you can do is name some NBA players and refer to the 'Hack a Shack' to bolster your afguement.

I actually pity you and truly hope you are just another kid who borrowed his dad's lap top and you don't have kids of your own. If you do, please leave junior sport as you are emabarassing yourself.

Most of the rule changes in basketball in recent decades have been to take the advantage of height out of the game and give more influence to the smaller players. Three seconds in the key, goal tending, three point line, no charge circle and probably others. The result of this generational push to make these so called 'out dated big slow dinosaurs' irrelevant in the modern game is to have the game now dominated by 6'7" point guards and 7' athletes. Any players under 6'2" have to be phenomenal freak players to get a look in at the top levels of the game.

There's a good Zach Lowe piece about some of the cyclical nature of the way different skill sets are valued. He's referring to the increasing ability of teams to switch pick and rolls, which means a screen no longer creates a 4 on 3 situation on the rest of the floor. If a screen can't do that, but you've got a guy who commands a double team on the block, that's worth more than it was before teams started switching the pnr. A few years ago it was 3-and-D wings and stretch-4s, but the game will move on from that as well, as those guys need to be able to do more/different things.

If you want to run an offensive or defensive scheme built around a few specific abilities, it's not hard to see how a really good player who doesn't have those skills misses out. Big or small, sometimes the system trumps individual talent.

Bear: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-interrupt-this-eulogy-for-the-nba-post-up-game-to-bring-you-its-rebirth/

What do expect from a Wollongong bench player?

Harry Froling named QLD player of the year last night at BQ awards .....cant make Australian team.

Jack McVeigh??

the Spain squad of 14 players


Francisco Alonso 189 1996 Cushing Academy Base
Pablo Pérez 183 1997 Valencia Basket Base
Sergi García 190 1997 CAI Zaragoza Base
Marc García 198 1996 Manresa Alero
Xabi López 198 1997 J oventut Alero
Diego Gallardo 200 1996 B. Sevilla Alero
José Alberto Jiménez 197 1996 Unicaja Alero
Xabi Oroz 192 1996 Iraurgi Alero
Jacobo Díaz 200 1996 Estudiantes Alero
Yankuba Sima 207 1996 Eleven Ganobake Pívot
Ramón Vila 203 1997 FC Barcelona Pívot
Samuel Rodríguez 202 1997 RC Naútico Tenerife Pívot
Jaume Sorolla 207 1997 FC Barcelona Pívot
Marc Bauza 204 1996 Joventut Pívot

We have a very young team, don't we?

Anon^^ troll, YOU mean what YOU will see, don't YOU?!

The team we could of put up would of rivaled made us a shoe in for a medal and possibly could of taken home the gold

I mean

Humphries
Maker
McVeigh
Adel
Mcdowell-White

Would of been a starting lineup that could of given us the gold medal.

^^^

Can't believe i forgot Simmons

Humphries
Maker
Simmons
Adel
McDowell-White

What a lineup that would've been. A future top 5 pick and 4 potential first round picks.

shame non of those think Worlds at this age is important enough to commit

Wonder how many of those stars listed above will make a commitment to the senior mens program

2 days after getting off the plane the emus had a good 101-90 win over Croatia with the highly rated Dragan Bender playing.

Box score?

Scoured the net...cannot find a boxscore either.

Lost to Spain overnight

Practise games obviously, tournament starts 27th June!

box score and report for croatia game

http://www.hks-cbf.hr/vijesti/u-19-reprezentacija-hrvatska-porazena-u-prvoj-utakmici-na-turniru-u-spanjolskoj

Australija - Hrvatska 101:90 (32:18, 17:20, 20:27, 32:25)

Australija: Vasiljević 28, Glover 11, Krebs, Wilson 12, Blagojević 3, McDowell 14, White 13, Clark 2, McVeigh 10, Hunter, Gak 8, McKay

Hrvatska: Kapusta 4, Šabić, Majcunić 13, Badžim 20, Božić 10, Vraneš 20, Anzulović, Damjanović, Bender 18, Jurica, Karačić 5, Bajo

Final standings at tournament..don't expect to see it at BA website anytime soon

1- Croatia U19
2- Turkey U19
3- Greece U19
4- Croatia U20
5- Australia U19

USA???

Played in the Anericas so didn't make the top 5 of this tourney. Good question though.

Practice before the worlds was it?

What tournament are you referring to anon^

warm up tournament. Its an internet search away

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2015