There have been YLW games with 40+ TOs and less than 30 points in the past.

Sorry less than 40 pts ^^^

WOW.

Just Wow!

Pakenham have a good experienced coach. He will turn this around long term. Understand Youth Basketball.

Perhaps they decided to enter way to early into the league. Talk that they will be bringing in 5 players from the youth team at Dandy next year. This will defintely help, but my question would be why do they need a senior womens team in the first place?

The whole selling feature on proposals from club to get into the BIG V is that they need a senior team in order to not lose junior talent.

If this is the case why didn`t they go down the same path as Corio Bay and go into Youth League.

The Pakenham side would not beat the bottom side in YL2W.

No different to club who say they need a YL side to keep juniors, then they have tryouts and fill a team with not one local player, how is this a need for a youth side?

Pakenham are playing another very poor team this weekend in Keysborough`s women, if they can`t be at least competitive in that game they shouldn`t be there at all.

It`s been well docomented on here the poor coaching ability of the Keysborough Coach and the fact that the team is in bad shape. If Packy want to show that they belong this is the week they have to do it.

Happy Days and TP how many experienced PG`s are going to drop to play D2 basketball? If they are decent they won`t be playing at that level. Unless a team is opening up the cheque book, which seems to be happening more and more at this level with the amount of imports floating around Metropolitan teams in D2.

The Big V still has not updated box scores form the weekend and the ladders are still 'after Round 1'

Does it really take 3 days to upload this information. My domestic competition has it done over night. Every time!

Interesting?? Battle it out to see who can miss more shots and get the most turnovers.

Well she will be able to prove that this weekend wont she!! I am tipping a horrible game but Keysborough by around 20-30.

Will they try to recruit a female equivalent to Brett Rainbow?

Maybe go back through the files of WNBL in the 80's and see if they can get someone? Rumour had it Brett was on 6k and didn't have to train.

Big v is too busy filming the next big v tv that no one watches according to the facebook page but they can't update simple ladders and scores from the weekend. Get the priorities right, big v tv is pathetic.

Packy is Keysy 2.0 Only they are doing it without spending money.

Keysy having to pay a heap of money to get people to their club in mens and womens. Import for two years running in the mens, plus Kevin Benn and Miraflores dropping from state champ (Nothing to show for it)

The womens side has brought in players from everywhere and is still struggling.

Womens and Men`s coach both need to have a hard look at themselves and start developing from within rather then having a high turnover year after year and poaching from elsewhere.

Take out the import and Keysy would struggle to win a game, poor form from a team that won a title with its Youth side last year. Word is that only 2 from the squad of 18 were brought back, how does that work?

Looking at stats most seem to be having success elsewhere.

All the D2m teams have imports except Collingwood

Darren Galloway, played his first game on the weekend.

If you think the shortage of officials is bad just wait till SEABL goes back and the SEABL Women's comp goes to 3 officials this year...

I know of heaps of officials doing double headers on the saturday night and games again on Sunday already.

You watch the shortage once SEABL starts up.

The league is growing at an unmanageable rate while the number of available (let alone experienced enough) officials is currently declining.

Everyone in league has been saying this for past several years but the league has not listened

Also heard a rumor most of the officials from the top 3 panels will refuse to officiate BigV this year and only make themselves available for SEABL this year due to the difference in environment/treatment they get between leagues and workload..

IM sure they will spend some money or get some players from Dandy who graduate from Youth in the coming years. Not all those players will go onto play SEABL at Dandy and will be looking for a home where they can do as they please.

What is wrong with Big V TV? When they get the stats right on the web site and things get up and running again, it is actually quite entertaining. They split the competitions and the shows are easy to navigate. I think they do a good job, considering they probably do it for love!

Has the database fallen over? BigV stats are missing for some games, players don't have whole game stats for some rounds because of this? I hope they don't rely on their stats to nominate league MVP's!

Ashke, What do you base that statement upon?

Yeah regarding the player stats from the weekend some teams only have it down as 4 players playing the game.

Its ok Ashke I heard its free entry so you can get your money worth

Be lucky if there is 70 points score total in the game

Ashke Casey whp are arguably the favourites to take out the title in that division and beat Packy by 70 plus points only just shot at 42%. This is BIG V not the NBA. Not to many games where both teams are shooting 40% plus.

Exactly my point Ashke, so how is it you then judge the two bottom sides having a good game or not if they are shooting at or above 40%.

Alot of teams struggling to get to that point in state champ mens consistantly.

You are right in the sense it will probably be a very poor standard of game, however having walked passed these two playing at the BIG V tourny I think Keysborough should handle them comfortably.

I have noticed also that the Big V Overtime magazine has not continued its publication since November 2014?

What is actually going on at Big V at the moment?

So, the Big V is advertising for a new communications coordinator! Is this why nothing is being done, has the video guy quit?

Callum is no longer there having moved over to BV so they are looking for someone new to fill the role obviously with it being advertised.

Keysie should not lose to Pakenham at all.
If they do something needs to happen ASAP down there. I do not see Pakenham winning a game this year. Still cant understand why their committee would force the issue and put them in the league. Surely someone there has enough basketball IQ to decided to go down and watch a few games last season to get an understanding of the level and realise that their girls arent up to it.

If Keysy lose the coach is done it is that simple. Spoke to the guy who runs the club last weekend at their men`s game and they will be watching this game closely. They said he already had a player walk out on him before round one which this person had to council, if Keysy are not successful this weekend he is gone.

They have a lack of confidence in that fact that he is the right person to lead their women`s program in the right direction.

Great leadership from their "board" if that's the case.
Only coach to have success there. He probably doesn't fit their culture of no accountability and chasing has been players. Any wonder the club has never taken off.

Apparently the fact that he chooses to do things his way and doesn`t do anything to help out at the club are amoung other reasons they want to push him out.

Abusive to players, shows up late to training sessions and a general disregard for anything the club has tried to build for the past 2 years.

The way this person made it sound I am surprised that they have kept him this long. The guy seems like a real piece of work and will find himself out of the system pretty quickly I am sure.

Triton I recall speaking to someone at the end of last year who said that he was offered a few gigs at a higher level, but knocked it back to do the Keysy women's role in an attempt to try and turn things around for that side of the club.

I know a few people down at the club and they have overheard people mentioning a number of the things raised on here.

Would make you wander if he is still happy he stayed. I guess that is a question only he can answer. Certainly seems like a bad situation.

Who'd wanna be a coach!!!

Lol the guy has run their social media and attracted sponsors over last two years.
Abusing players? If you're not getting drunk with your players and not holding anyone accountable on court I guess actually coaching them would look a bit odd.

The problem is the men's coach 'ash'. The yl coach from last year should have replaced him

Abusing players & kicking drink bottles = good coaching?

Anon, I was at that game yesterday I didn`t see any abuse or drink bottles being kicked. Please clarify what you mean?.

More players have walked out

Yes the club was informed overnight of another player that has called it quits and left the team due to the poor standard of coaching.

Seemed to be many club officials standing behind the bench listening and taking in how the game was being coached at the keysy womens game.

Must be a fun situation having your every move watched and words evaluated. People I was with had discussions with the GM among other people at the game and were told that their has been a vote of no confidence in the coach.

Seems the guy has made a lot of enemies at the club. Must be something pretty bad that he has done by the way people within his own club are rubbishing him.

As mentioned earlier, actually holding players accountable and trying make players perform, something that hasn't happened in a senior team there from day 1.

The women's coach at Keysy is better than the 2 coaches in the men's program who neither have any clue

At least he's trying to coach the other 2 just try to give everyone equal courting and play happy families

Leave the bloke alone it's kinda getting old bagging a guy who 2games ago won a championship and was coach of the year

Re post 523149

Pretty sure Keysy don't have a GM as they are completely ran by volunteers

Nice try

^^^Might want to re-think that statement, It is actually publically listed on the internet who there GM is, if that isn`t true then why is it posted.

Does anybody really care?

Don't people have anything better to do then pay out on clubs/people (especially if they are volunteer based)?

Its as bad as the bagging of Mornington, Casey, etc

Worry about your own club and use this forum for more useful purposes

It is a well-known fact there is plenty of people within that club who want to stick the boots in and see the guy fail.

He`s rubbed enough people the wrong way over the years that he deserves everything that is now coming his own way.

I Don`t rate his coaching ability based on the feedback and things I have heard. He doesn`t seem to be able to keep anybody happy at all.

I do find it funny that people from the club come on here and deny a number of the things are being said. Yet they are consistently saying stuff to people about the coach and the fact they don`t want him around.

Can`t come out publically and say you are happy with someone then tell people you arn`t in private.

Strange as I am pretty sure that the coach actually thinks he is pretty good friends with the people who want him gone, how wrong he is.

BIG V is a small world, if you talk it will get around and get back to people.

Do yourselves a favour Keysy and get rid of the guy, it`s just bringing you negative publicity for every moment he is there. Surely it can`t all be worth it.

#523171,

Where is it publicly listed? I just looked at the clubs website and nothing there. Also no mention of it on Facebook or the Basketball Vic and Big V websites

Sounds like you are just trying to cause trouble like all the other keyboard heroes
If you going to make a claim like that put your name to it

I just googled about the above and it did come up with someone listed as a general manager for Keysy. Perhaps this was someone in a past role.

General Manager at Keysborough Basketball Association

We wonder why the sport is in the star that it is when all we do is bag volunteers who try to help grow the game

I think this all comes back to accountability, if players are leaving this team in droves there must be an internal issue or problem with the culture.

That has to start and end with the coach, it is the responsibility of the coach to build a culture or team that can be competitive on the floor and work together off it.

If what is being said above is true then that doesn`t seem to be the case here.

Why is everyone bagging Keysborough so much? They are a small club who battle away every year, aren't ran to make money but to keep costs down and provide an opportunity for players who wouldn't otherwise get a chance. People need to ease up on them.

Anon I don't really see anyone bagging Keysborough! seems like one person in particular is copping the brunt of people's criticism. General consensus from reading this post is that he doesn't have the support of the club behind him.

Not sure if any of this is true obviously but a few people have made points or mentioned speaking to people at the club who you would assume are in the know.

51 point loss on the weekend wow

Dead man walking coming through!

I was at the game yesterday.

Don't be to critical against the coach. Chelsea Come out wanting to prove a point after being smashed by Casey a few weeks prior. Chelsea's Bench has more talent that Keysy Starting 5 (Billie Lucas started of the bench!)

Issues i see with Keysy is that they don't have the depth in the roster. and just shows that there development in Juniors isn't providing them with enough Junior Talent.

Will Be interesting to see the Pakenham vs Keysy game in a few weeks, that will prove if Craig has anything to be worried about.

I was at the game yesterday.

Don't be to critical against the coach. Chelsea Come out wanting to prove a point after being smashed by Casey a few weeks prior. Chelsea's Bench has more talent that Keysy Starting 5 (Billie Lucas started of the bench!)

Issues i see with Keysy is that they don't have the depth in the roster. and just shows that there development in Juniors isn't providing them with enough Junior Talent.

Will Be interesting to see the Pakenham vs Keysy game in a few weeks, that will prove if Craig has anything to be worried about.

If the guy knew how to coach why the hell would he be starting his best player and one of the better players in the league on the bench. A player who leads them in all statistical categories and he starts her on the bench vs the top side.

Pretty darn arrogant if you ask me.

Did he think that because his team beat the Cavs that they were just going to waltz right through chelsea.

What a joke,

Doubt it has anything to do with the coach.

Playing group just not up to it. The coach has done well with the players available.

This constant harassment of a volunteer coach on a forum is pretty sad and pathetic if you ask me.

Can we talk about how pathetic the refs are in Big V and the serious lack of anything being done by Alan Garroway?

Why are the Big V not investing in refs?

Charge teams an extra $100 and put that towards retaining your best refs.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the entry fee has hardly gone up in like 5 years and it only costs about $50 a year more than it did 10 years ago. that's well below CPI

They have the same record as they did last year and he has brought in SEABL, State Champ and VYCW players. That has to be on his head.

Watched them play a few times now as they have been at venues I have been at. They play with no pasion or intensity. That is a culture issue and the coach is responsible for creating that within a team.

If those players he brought in to DIV2 were of any calibre in seabl , SCW YLCW then they would not have entertained dropping to a div2 standard.

^ Anon, in some cases yes but in others I disagree. I have seen very good players drop simply because they want to play with their mates, guys they have played with over the years and just want to enjoy the game for what it is. It also means that they don't have to take it so seriously and can just enjoy it.

Results speak for themselves and so does attitude.

I have seen that team play a number of times now. You add that poor attitude and enviroment to the results that they have been getting and you know there is a major culture issue within that team. The coach is responsoble for creating and maintaining the culture.

If Keysborough are serious about building a strong womens program long term, they will swing the axe and solve this issue before it is to late. If they don`t they are just going to end up in a position where players walk now or come seasons end.

Context?

^^ Was it not written above that the coach made a poor decision starting his best player on the bench?

There were no comments for a month. Sounds like a troll.

Dead man walking

Got beaten by 25 by a Casey team with only 8 fit players and starting with 2 development players in the starting 5.

Missing ryder by the looks of it, but still a tough loss especially after beating casey earlier in the season.

Can`t coach, get rid of him. Spends more time complaining to officials and trying to step on the court then anything else. They are where they are on the ladder because of his lack of coaching skills, the team plays with zero passion so the coach clearly isn`t getting through to them.

It`s official... The Move has been made and coach informed early this morning he wont be coaching the team in 2016. A replacement has already been told they have the position, the same person the club had been speaking to since early in the season about taking over.

Club didn`t make the call during the season for fear of players leaving and not being able to field a side.

Those who said this was all smoke and mirros will look pretty silly now.

How is all that even related to this forum topic?

Perhaps just change the heading of this and the Mornington posts Issac. To Keysborough Coach bashing thread. Would be a lot more appropriate then.

Cougars Coach has been let go after a very poor cseason for the women in which no improvement as shown. Was told see ya latter last week, club has advertised the position on BIG V website.

Ah no, he resigned. Nice try though!

Anon you sure about about that? Spoke to someone at their mens final sunday and they said that they had let him go.

Yes im sure, spoke to him about it much earlier than saturday.

Good riddance the club can now finally move forward, especially the women`s program. I tip them to be big improvers in 2016. Feel sorry for whatever club gets stuck with this guy going forward.

So let me get this straight, Keysy don't have domestic in juniors or seniors yet they still have affiliation and are able to participate in VJBL and BIG V? Right!!!!

Ha the hiring of the century this one, stay tuned for the ship to hit an iceberg. Can`t run a team and can`t coach.

Watch this space, can see a very frustrating and eye opening year for the lady gulls with this guy in charge. Pretty irresponsible appointment if you think about it. Unproven and bottom of the ladder in D2. Hey let's give him the reigns to a D1 side.

Pretty low to attacking the guys personal life. Issac could you delete that post?

Disgraceful comment re his personal life!! Over stepping the mark

Looks like everyone is getting a little bit prescious, If it is all true then what is the problem?

You reap what you sew...