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It is pretty sad that Forrestville would rather force Jesse to play div 2 than premier League out of spite and cause the premier league by-laws say you can. Not a very nice way to repay someone who has done so much for you. #letjessplay

Forrestville should give approval and be the bigger "person"

The By-Law States Forrestville can clear her to play Premier League they just chose not to. It's a stupid By-Law which a club requested introduced afaik years ago after a mass exodus? Yes the clubs can Veto it but BSA must approve the change.

Forrestville cleared her with restriction. Why? sour grapes, using a By-Law as a scape goat! read the By-Laws and Eagles can allow her to be cleared to play.

Just send the email to June allowing Jess to play and problem solved #letjessplay

I think you will find Jess has been cleared to Southern.

Southern were well aware of the By-Laws before having the two sisters cleared. They new once these clearances were completed, Jess was not able to be cleared for ABA.

All clubs know this by-law exists...

They banked on BSA providing an exception, which hasn't transpired to date, so now Forestville are the villan...?

Perhaps Southern should have thought carefully who they wanted to recruit as a priority.

My understanding is Jess can actually play with any club at ABA level except for Southern, based on the By-Laws, so to say she can not play is not accurate.

Anyone wondered why its taken this long to come out..Perhaps Southern have exhausted all back door avenues and public appeal is the last resort !

Then why not let her play aba? If she has been cleared to southern? What is the point of not allowing her to play? There isn't one other then forestville being spiteful. Who cares that the other players are sisters! What kind of comment is that. I am sure any aba team would be more than happy to have the interest of any quality players joining their team. Why prioritise? Ah well guess we will await the outcome.

Unfortunately the By-Laws don't allow for her to choose that club.

If the By-Laws allowed you a choice, clubs may choose to have 3 imports.

The reason they don't, is because the By-Laws don't allow them to, so they don't make that choice...

The reason is because once requested, a clearance must be granted based on the By-Laws..Nothing to do with Spite, just the rules of the competition as I read it..

Sisters have nothing to do with it, the point is if you read the By-Law that 2 players had already been cleared to the one club..

BSA actually prioritise based on the order the request are received...

Have a read, its all pretty clear in the By-Laws...

BSA also have a by-law that states that junior players can't move mid season. But they themselves have broken this by-law numerous times despite numerous clubs not wanting it to happen.

Just another highlight of Forestville having all the say at BSA level.

"Really!!!",

while your post is off-topic, I'll bite:

I know that Forestville did just the opposite last year by allowing an u14 junior to move clubs mid-winter season.

Unless you can substantiate your claim (which we both know you can't), any sensible person will assume you're talking out of your ass.

Just another highlight of a very sad keyboard warrior.

The Competitions committee actually rule on requests like junior players moving mid season.

This committee is made up from club reps, so its the clubs as a collective making the exceptions or not making them, not BSA or Forestville...

Not really,

If your gonna bite, get your facts straight. The play in question was not cleared by Forestville but by the competitions committee, to which Forestville protested that she shouldn't be allowed to move.

My post highlights that BSA itself can clear the player to Southern despite the by-law, on compassionate grounds.

Read the By-Laws don't presume.

It clearly states if a club clears 2 players to club a) it does not have to clear a 3rd player. it doesn't specify club a or any other club. It doesn't have to approve more than 2 clearances per season - Unless club approves to do so. Interpretation is the issue with bylaws again have a read you may read into it differently again.

As usual bylaws are like the in laws that become outlaws, great while you have to put up with them annoying after separation.

Simple facts are Forrestville can approve Jess to play Premier League, they cleared her with provisions to play D2 only.

Check facts it's not the Bylaw with holding its the way its used or worded. I wonder if any other league has this kind of crap or follows FIBA standard "Clear" rulings.

Oh and for the Muppet with the import comment "Sigh" Jess ain't no import your logic = Fail.

About five seasons ago two girls left Forestville for Woodville, a third wished to also move there but was told by Forestville they would clear her to any other club other than Woodville, she took up the option and moved but was disappointed that after playing all her junior years their she was not cleared to her team of choice.

Really!!!, my facts are straight as an arrow regarding the u14 player:

The competitions committee requested Forestville's approval, and the club obliged... There were no compassionate grounds as all the club had done was not guarantee the player's position in div 1. The coach and club management were disappointed, but moved on.

Jess has no more grounds for a compassionate exemption: it's a (semi) professional competition and Forestville are operating within the by-laws. Live with it.

What a shame for all involved. To stop a senior player imparting her years of experience to a group of younger players, (who do actually want to listen to her) is incomprehensible. To hide behind a bylaw to do it is morally pathetic. No one is questioning the existence of the law, but to enforce it in a circumstance where the player is at the end of her career and wants to see out her final season (2 if lucky) with people who value her commitment and hard work is simply wrong. As previously stated Jess has spilt more blood, sweat and tears on court for the Eagles than most of the current team put together. Basketball SA needs to look at what direction they wish to take that is promoting the sport in a positive light. To those of you who think "decision made, move on" try being told you can no longer do what you have loved and done since you were 4 years old because "there is a by law". Southern want Jess's experience, forrestville dont. Southern are trying to build a programme for the future, they are looking forward and knew there would be an issue with Jess but thought she was worth the fight with what she could bring to a battling player group. Let her play the game she has always loved, where she wants to play, with people who respect her.

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Then release her to play Premier League to help strengthen them then so the league doesn't become a joke, who wants to see teams flog another team week in and week out! even the comp up and make it entertaining or do all the Sturt / Eagles people want to bring pro/rel into this and watch themselves play against each other every week

All we have heard is Jess's side of the story being happily bandied about..

Thats why there is some emotion around this because there is only one side of the story being made public...

Always 2 sides to every story....

It is unfortunate for all concerned this has come out as I know Jess was trying to negotiate privately .her relations with forrestville are under threat where her and the club achieved great success the time has come for both to move on and hopefully both with success. being coached by the same coach for nine of her ten years and the way the women's team is heading she realised she had given all she could to their program. Her move to southern under a new coach is a chance to see if she could achieve any thing else before retirement to learn and give back to the sport that has been her life . I would hate to see this petty situation ruin relationships that have been built over her playing career at Forrestville the personal attacks on the individual s and a 15 year old that has nothing to do with this situation will not help the situation. I believe that after 10 years of loyalty that she should be cleared with forrestville only missing the next couple of playing years , but retaining the love she has for the club for years to come.

@Actually

Do explain what could Forestville possibly justify this with?

Yes its unfortunate that they have lost 3 players to transfer requests, should they be bitter? who knows, when they hold the power to say yes let her play or no she can only play x and chose to do the later I think they have dropped the ball.

Actually, Forestville have chosen to evoke a by-law to stop Jess playing Div 1.
WHY? There is always 2 sides to the story, you are correct. So lets hear why the Eagles are choosing to suddenly play by the rules. The by-law is only an issue when the club makes it one, which Forestville have. WHY? They are not losing an upcoming star of the future. She has surely done enough at the club to have earned some respect. So WHY evoke it when they could have just let her go. What point are they trying to make?

The reason why is because they can, and to make it clear to any of their up coming superstars that at the end of the day they have the power, this isn't all the Eagles fault, southern knew certain players from the Eagles wanted to come, should have chosen the two that they really wanted and not all three

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I don't know of any sport where a team can clear a div 1 player on condition they can only play div 2 for a year on the eve of a new of a new so called premier league. A league that allows a team to demote a player to transfer to another club .
Where are the cameras ?????????????
BASA VERSION OF YOUVE BEEN PUNKED!!!!
WHAT A JOKE

Easy fix to this problem, clearance fee, 2 free ones then 1000 bucks per player after, so in this case the tigers get the sisters for free but have to pay a grand for jess and this money comes out of the "salary cap"

Minutes played has no bearing, just if you are a registered player...

All these people all these rules
If you people truly love the sport you would let her play Premier League! The sport itself is surely bigger than an individual or a club!

It Should be the GAME OF BASKETBALL that wins out in the end not egos

" Play the game not the politics "

Sportsmanship, Respect, Fair Play, unfortunately none of these can be used to describe the club that Forestville has become, this is evidenced by their behaviour in all age groups from U10 to Seniors. It is not uncommon for an U10 Eagles team to absolutely humiliate an opposition team, spectators and coaches alike cheering with great enthusiasm to defeat a team by 100 points, what a great ambassador for girls basketball you are not! From one end of the spectrum to the other, we then have the Borrego debacle. BSA allow this club to exploit every possible loophole to 'win at all costs' and it is time BSA grew some as they have the ability to override ByLaws when and if it suits and they have done so before. There is the phrase "bringing the game into disrepute" and the Eagles should be held accountable for their bad behaviour. We do not have an abundance of female basketball role models and for Forestville to deliberately force out a player of such experience is simply disgusting.

Instead of posting on here everyone email their thoughts to

[email protected]

Flood him with complaints and he will have to do something, if nothing happens then you know he doesn't give a shizen or that there is only a few people on here making a lot of noise

unfortunate for former team mates and fans at Forestville as am sure they would like to see jess play where she wishes and would look forward to playing against her unfortunately decisions are made by only a few and they are caught in the middle of this crap

This thread has probably gone on long enough and has turned into a Forestville bashing session.

We're talking about one athlete, with a thread obviously posted by a party close to the matter and with an agenda.

Probz time to take this all offline and file consideration for an exemption with BSA, or deal with it.

Question is what's the point in stoping her playing? Forestville chose to impose the restriction when they didn't have to. Club bashing it's not it hasn't deviated but if they don't like the heat do the right thing and let Jess play!

Just another example of what a disgraceful club Forestville are.
For people on here to use the old "it's in the By-Laws" comment is a cop out. Yes it is a By-Law to stop clubs poaching players but when I club legend and a player who is a multiple championship player wants to leave then let her go. She doesn't owe your club anything at all, you owe her the respect to let her go and continue to play the game she loves and which she did so successfully at your club for 10 years.
Don't play the "By-Law" card, that's a load of bullshit.
The only reason she should be not cleared is if she owes money or something.
Other than that you are simply proving to everyone what we already knew, that your club is run by two people who have ego's that is bigger than the club.
I seriously hope you lose more than just one player from this as you have clearly already lost everyone's respect.

There is another player that they have refused to release, very similar situation to Jess and all she wants to do is play

Just an aside : Andrew gaze was never coached in Club Juniors by his dad. Keith Watson coached the tiger juniors back then.

Andrew Gaze was coached by his dad in the National Team whilst still a junior..

The reason Forestville are using the by-law is because of the rumors of a number of unhappy players. If they allow one to go, 4 or 5 might follow.

To be honest a lot of players leave for a number of reasons, one being they have been asked by another club. Others may be that the player is unhappy at the club or doesn't like the coach.
Sometimes it's just opportunity.
In every case there is a reason, hence why it is at the discretion of the club unless the governing body overall it.
You would think given the current situation and who the player is common sense would prevail.
I really don't think this is a case of poaching.
What do you gain to benefit from holding Jess out for a season?
A stalwart of your club, a multi championship player.
Considering you don't have a contract and i'm guessing aren't paying her big bucks, what is the point?
Do you realise you are doing more to tarnish your club than anything else.
I'm actually dumbfounded that the board or President allows for this to go on.

Ummm, if she doesn't want to play for Forestville and can't play for southern then play for another club. Problem solved.

No I am almost certain the rule only applies to Southern. But why stop a player from going to her club of choice just because you are hoping she stays.
She doesn't want to play at Forestville, why would you!!!

The Eagles have had enough time to demonstrate good will. BSA must now act and over rule in favour of what is good for the game and not allow this to carry on. Coincidentally the first round Tigers play the Eagles, If it were my decision I'd have emailed the comp committee to overrule weeks ago and handed it to lawyers to resolve by now. FIBA rules don't have this kind of rubbish in it and the bylaw is poorly written I think it's gone far enough.

I am seriously considering going out to that game just to heckle the Forestville coach.

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It looks like Forestville new something that no one else did!!!!!!!
If they let Jess play they would have lost by more lol
Aint Karma a BITCH :)

A genuine query. I have been part of the forestville club for a bit over a year and a half now and quite enjoy it.
If you swap the team names and Southern become Forestville and of course Forestville becomes Southern is this situation a problem or does it become HAHA sucked in Forestville?

I agree with being cleared to play I just cannot understand the hatred to Forestville on this site?

Forestville are considered the rich guys who win a lot

Anon. 521768
Very interesting
Thanks for that.

Jess suited up in Women's Reserve for Tigers on Monday night and played very well. So she has been cleared but not to PL. So it's at least a start.
Surely there is an independent tribunal that could hear an appeal process.
Jess is agreat player and I can understand her need to move on and the Tigers will be very grateful for her inclusion into their PL tean...and I can completely understand Forrestville not wanting to let her go either. Both clubs are depleted.
However it could be considered an unfair restraint of trade. Its baskeball. Life is far too short for such pettiness. Every situation should be assessed on fairness and merit.

Nicely put, BB.

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I was at the game Saturday night and had to watch Jess watch. As hard as it must have been for her she carried herself with dignity and pride. The sad part of this whole sorry saga is that as the season progresses, teams win and lose and top spots are jostled for, Jess will still not be playing. Forestville, please be the bigger person and LET HER PLAY

Surely someone can confirms if appeals or legal action under way???

I am surprised that Forestville is allowing their brand to be so badly damaged. Surely their sponsors are not pleased. You would think by now they would be trying to salvage some respect from the competition. Pity the full story will probably never be told.

No the article clearly shows no Sharon didn't think it was reasonable. It's unreasonable to honor Jessica's request to be given the opportunity to try something new after all these years of service. If there was another side it would have come out. They cannot defend the indefensible.

Forestville are playing by the rules like it or not, they released the sisters to southern therefore they don't have to clear anyone else, if southerns whinging president had been smart, instead of looking after his daughter in-law and her sister, perhaps talking with the coach and getting jess cleared as number 1 priority would have been the way to go, forestville would have had to clear her, they would have definitely cleared the fisher girl then probably her sister as well.

But instead of thinking about it, southern again has a president interested in family members before the club, and they jump on this site to complain, amatuer club that will go nowhere!

Load of rubbish the majority of the club wouldn't have a clue what's happened

Social media is going off, just checked #LetJessPlay, found three yes that's right three tweets!

"This is also social media."

It's not particularly 'social' when posting as avatars or anons: for all we know this thread is made up of <10 (nameless) people.

"Why have they prevented the Norwood clearance as well then?"

Who haven't they cleared to Norwood?

I would suggest majority of the posts come from southern

to THE RULES your obviously a "SIMONSVILLE " person rather thsn a Forestville person . After ten years at the club and 200 games this is the last thing she would have wanted to happen. As the friends and relationships she has at the club mean more to her than this crap . A t game one I had parents and spectators ask why she wasn't playing and they were disgusted after being told the situation . They hoped that she would be cleared for the next time the teams met ! that is the real Forestville people that a sporting club needs not playing by a BI.LAW.TO clear her to play div 2 is an insult to her and the div 2 competition . TO have one or two people dictate where and how an amateur plays and put the Forestville club through this media circus and in the paper will not help the club attract new junior and senior players I know and appreciate the time and effort the coaches have put into the the club but to have the power to stop a player that has given the club the service that jess has is disgusting and the board should be ashamed of how this has transpired.

OMG its amateur time people!!! This is not WNBL, this is not WNBA, at the end of the day, it is a piddly little state league with not much respect or interest, gosh wonder why?.

Yes we all agree Forestville are playing by the rules (as they always do!! pfft! bend it, shape it, whichever way you like it) as long as it suits Forestvilles purpose.

BUT in the interest of the sport, for the good of the sport, for the growth of the sport, good grief let an elite player play.

Again this just highlights Forestvilles blatant disrespect for all and sundry and personally IMHO it appears to be getting worse over the last few seasons.

As has been stated many times in previous posts, the bylaw is there, yes we know, but, Forestville have the option available to allow the player ( and in Simons own words, doesn't matter who the player is) to play the game.

Shame we can't ever see Forestville playing the game in the spirit it was intended.

so, in other words, you are saying Forestville also knew of the players intention 5 months ago?

I'm confused
Are Forestville the only club in the competition that knows / understands the rules of the competition? Did Southern not know the rules and by laws when they went for Jess?
I think we should get the rules changed every time something like this pops up. In fact, and depending on the club or the phase of the moon, we should have a vote on Hoops to see how the competition should rule upon anything that's outside the rules but morally should be changed. A referendum if you like. If the stating five from Norwood want to go to Woodville, and we the majority agree, then make it so.
I think Jess should be allowed to play, but I feel that there is a lot more to the story than has been disclosed.
Well done Forestville for sticking to your guns. Poor effort Southern for not knowing the rules of the competition but hoping Hoops will get it across the line. Well done to all the other clubs for not saying a thing.
Bring in free agency!

well, lets just say Forestville are the only club that knows/understands/rorts/and has the arrogance to exploit the rules of the competition to their own benefit, but immediately cry foul, or try to bend the rules to suit themselves when the opportunity presents

This type of rule is fairly commonplace , it tests the resolve of the player, usually it works by the club simply showing that they don't have to clear them, so the player or the recruiter backs down.

If they don't - then they get told by the controlling body that the player can go and play - but they have to go and play in a lower grade for 12 months, so then the player and or recruiter backs down.

This is the only time in an "amateur" sport ( that tries to claim its highest local grade is "premier) where the player has actually gone and played in that lower grade , and neither the controlling body or the original club has not acceded to the demonstrated fact that the player is absolutely firm in moving.

I am in no way suggesting that the following is relevant in this case, but I do know of situations interstate where the clearance ( in contravention of hindering by-laws)was pursued all the way by the player, and was eventually granted, basically because the player or their parents, were seeking to remove themselves from situations that would best be described as "un-healthy" .

Re - :This is the only time -
"in my experience "- should have been added - sorry

Seriously reality check, it's a bylaw designed to stop mass exodus. Forestville cleared her it's that simple they couldn't keep her so they cleared her.

The wrong part about it all is they are usuing a by-law as justification to screw Jess over. A decade loyal player who has done so much for the club asks to be given the chance to try something new and is treated like crap in return.


At the end of the day when you remove the clubs from it and the he said she said it boils down to Jess not beaing able to play Premier League, she's not banned she simple has been shafted by Forestville who can allow her to play by giving the ok but chose to punish her, Jess, not Southern because they still have a team.

To Milan and Sharon, I cannot understand what you personally think is the benefits to your decision? At the end of the day your club loses out either way you cannot change that.

What you can change is the ability for Jess to continue playing Premier League and making Forestville and the competition look a bit better at the same time.

if Forestville are the only team that's knows the rules well enough to exploit them, then the rest of us are a bunch of amateurs. I think we all need to toughen the F up a little bit, stop sooking about it and if the clubs think a rule needs to be changed, then change it. But I wonder why the rule was put there in the first place?

Then the Karma gods have seen to Jake Rios not being released to play Premier League from FIBA yet

This tweet sums it up " I think there should be a steroid Olympics. Who wouldn't want to see the athletes jump higher and run faster than they already do?

^ Um makes no sense? Ok #letjessplay

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And the worst thing about this is this could be Jess's final season, what a way to go out.
Way to go Shazza!

I'm so glad someone has put me onto this website.
I'm taking my children out of Forestville immediately. They seem to be too much drama and trouble to be a part of such a club..!!

They need to ask themselves, what if someone did this to my child?

Goodness me!

Unhappy mother

You seriously need to get over yourself, if as you say you are at forestville, your going to punish your kids and not let them play for the rest of this season because if they have played 1 second this year they won't be getting a clearance either!

Even if they are not playing Premier League?

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Unhappy mother yes read the rules

Hoopster by the looks of the results they won Saturday night!!

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I think I might pull my kids as well !!!!
This club was sold to me about family environment,success etc, but if this is what they do to loyal players and with some of the other unscrupulous things I have read that they have done, I think it is time to leave and i'll be letting other people know as well whom maybe unaware to what has been going on!!!!!

Hoopster now you are just making sh1t up they have only played two games, lost 1 won 1

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My apologies, I have no idea why I thought there had been three games. Second game was a win but still heard Sharon didn't rotate players very well. It's been a long week at work an I'll blame it on that.

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For many years Forestvile has had a great bunch of women's players and the bond between them during there 3 peat championships , it was due to the players being able to adapt to the task at hand they all respected each other and played for each other. Even having Carla borrego come in late the team had to adjust there game around her and thus sacrifice their own game for the team . Since their last flag the team and its ethos has changed their is no respect that's evident last year when the captain was told not to talk to the younger players as they don't know or respect her. When the captain played her 200th game and it was left to the opposition coach to congratulate her in the presentations after the game . In the last game the captain was benched in the last minutes . I wonder why she contemplated retirement or a move to another club . Having a meeting with the club president at seasons end he indicated he was sorry to see her go but if she decided to play on he would clear her to the team of her choice . Then what happened? He knew she wouldn't be returning to forrestville . So why would a coach have a say as to where a player plays. When she has nothing to do with the current playing list .I thought a board made decisions with the club as a whole and the senior coach who would answer to the board and not control it . It seems to me that the forrestville basketball club needs a clear out and try gain some respect from the basketball community. Also if Jess won't get cleared to southern they should encourage her to go to another club to continue her career. As playing div 2 is a joke for a player of her ability and at this stage of her career.

If you're referring to me I'm not an ex player. Never played for forestville and based on what I've heard about the club I'm not unhappy about that

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It might be within the rules that Forestville can do this, but my advice is to think long term.

One day they will be a knock on the door at Wayville and.....

"Hello Forestville, my name is Karma, and I am a biatch!"

Oh me Oh my it's getting a bit petty her people.

What has happened to Jess is a shame, @Bemused I think has given a fair spotlight on Jess's possible reasoning for leaving, aside from the opportunity of being coached by a great coach in Tracy York. Jess by now would have started to bond and gel with the Tiger girls so why would she want to pick another club. She only moved based on the opportunity to be coached by Tracy is what I heard.

At Unhappy Mum - you can get your child cleared mid season rules say it can't be done but the comp committee can over ride it. If your child is going to quit if they can't get out and go to another club because they are truly unhappy. Request can be made to and granted by them to save a kid leaving the sport.

There are ways around this Forestville your name is still being dragged through the mud.

Unhappy mother.
This site is full oh hate towards forestville. I think if
the situation was reversed against forestville this site would be loving it.

213 posts!

The thread that keeps on giving ....

Great news everyone!

Premier Weatherill has announced this will be turned into a feature film and made by the SA Film Corp.

The role of Jess will be placed by Elsa from Frozen.
Asher Kettie will be brought in for Tracey York with Kat Stewart playing the assistant.
No Australian film is complete without Jack Thompson, so he'll be on the Forestville board. Darth Vader can make a cameo.
The orcs from Lord of the Rings are still playing Sturt people, so they are unavailable, but Paul Fenech and his bogan hunters can step in for Southern supporters.

Poor taste Jack

Well we have reviewed this movie Jack but we are unaware of whom you are referring too as far as the assistant for Tracy, in this role as they have a cast of a thousand here!!!
But one we recognized was Ed O'Neil {Al Bundy} playing a superb job as an assistant and we both think he could get an Academy for best supporting actor :)

west and Sturt coaches trying to work out what they are doing ?

Heard the men's game was a bit scrappy, anyone explain what happened? Was there for the women's game, is anyone gonna get close to beating norwood? The two big girls, foley and Roberts were incredible.

The thread that keeps on giving :)

I Recon Forestville wished it would die a quick and quiet death. Not going to happen though till they #letjessplay

Really #502992, I dislike the Jess decision probably as much as anyone but where would you think she should sit? Their next game is against Sturt so you'd hardly think she'd sit behind their bench. Many coaches scout upcoming opponents' games if they're doing their homework and a strategic analysis on how another team tries to cope with them doesn't seem sinister to me.

Number 25 maybe, Roberts was on the back of her jersey

Also the full court press on a team down 40 was nice to watch on Friday night

I'll defer to the coaching etiquette manual if that's the case but note that at most SA venues space restrictions mean it's not really feasible to sit near or behind another team's bench except at Pasadena or to a lesser extent at Wayville or at St Clair where there's no other option.

Yeah that makes sense. Duke and foley are one hell of a tandem. Bell back to back games with zero minutes now. Loved seeing the norwood coach rotate through her bench players at the end even if only for a few minutes each. Makes it worth the drive for them in the very least. Why bring 11 to play really only play 6 or 7

I'm going to close this thread now. If you'd like to continue discussing the actual games and women's season, please start a new thread and keep it relevant. I think when people are talking about who sat where, it's probably time to wrap this one up.