Anonymous
Years ago
SEABL 2015
Any word on more signings/whispers for the 2015 season?
Seems to have gone pretty quiet
Anonymous
Years ago
Any word on more signings/whispers for the 2015 season?
Seems to have gone pretty quiet
PJ
Years ago
Ballarat announced the signing of New Zealand national team guard Everard Bartlett today.
Former NBL Slam Dunk champion.
Looks like a handy pickup.
With him and Booker back for 2015- not a bad start to a squad.
GM1
Years ago
Has gone pretty quiet - Is Brad Hill returning to Mount Gambier?
Nobody
Years ago
Hill was going to Hobart apparently, yet has re signed with the Mount.
Long to Dandy and creek to Dandy as well supposedly. Polk has re signed with Blues.
Ben Allen has quit Braves apparently too.
I heard a couple of teams were after Ben Waldren, who has played with Hawthorn in Big V last couple of years, but don't know if any eventuated..
Greg
Years ago
Ben Allen left the Braves due to schooling requirements and not being able to transfer or something. May end up in Canberra due to it, unless he decides to sit out the season completely.
Any word on chapman and were he might end up?
I could think he'd fit a few programs pretty well...Kilsyth & Sandy come to mind as both need extra bodies as they both had no bench.
Hard to see him not end up at Rangers with his mates down there.
You would hope he left Frankston on good terms. Club stalwart and one of most respected players around the league.
Creek will be at Rangers, wanted to play with Montreal.
Chuck Long to Rangers as an Aussie.
Ben Allen couldn't play for Bendigo due to Uni course will be in Canberra.
Odigie sitting SEABL year out.
Chappy rumour to Rangers happens every year.
Been waiting to here where Raiders players will end up any news. Frankston signed United development player.
Happy Days
Years ago
Page and Linton to Frankston. Chapman to Dandenong as its closer to the Gippsland lakes and rivers for fishing :)
THE Arena will play host to a basketball bonanza on the final weekend of March.
The McDonald's Geelong Supercats and Lady Supercats will be joined by the men’s and women’s teams from Ballarat, Dandenong, Nunawading and Sandringham, along with SEABL men’s defending champion Mt Gambier and Albury-Wodonga’s women, for the Foton Geelong Pre-Season Weekend.
Matches will be played on both the Showcourt and in the Annexe on March 28 and 29 a fortnight out from the opening of the 2015 SEABL season.
"We are very excited to have some of the best SEABL teams heading to Geelong for this weekend," McDonald’s Geelong Supercats CEO Dean Anglin said.
“Basketball fans will be able to see up to 20 games of top quality basketball all in the one place over the two days.”
Entry is free for 2015 McDonald’s Geelong Supercats members or by gold coin donation for non-members.
The fixture for the Foton Geelong Pre-Season Weekend will be released closer to the date
What if
Years ago
Seems Creek will not be at Rangers this year but has changed his mind and decided to play in NZ. Where is Chris Patton playing ?
Oswald Cobblepot
Years ago
Might be an idea if the SEABL website kept an up to date list of the in / outs.
Michael
Years ago
the SEABL website has been very quiet for the past two weeks.
Oswald Cobblepot
Years ago
MEDIA & COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER
Dale Crotty
Mills also gone from the Referees commissioner role too replaced by Carey.
Patton won't play at Rangers.
Apparently Rangers never looked after him as a junior and he left on bad terms before college. Warren Dawson days I've been told. Pretty sure he won't end up at Rangers.
Happy Days
Years ago
Consolidation of resources resulting in cost savings for the league.
Happy Days
Years ago
Luke Nevill may play SEABL this season.Has recieved a number of offers which he is weighing up.
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/hobart-chargers-sign-shane-harris-tunks-for-seabl-season/story-fnj92b0f-1227218062818
any rumors as to who the mentioned US forward might be?
Nobody
Years ago
So the merge with BA has seen 2 of 3 seabl staff leave.
sportsfan
Years ago
carey runs this reffs from BA so thats why you would think his going to take over the SEABL as well
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/american-imports-cameron-bennerman-and-kyle-hunt-to-click-quick-in-hobart/story-fnj92b0f-1227239740735
"As small forward Cameron Bennerman touched down in Tasmania on Tuesday night, club president Steve Lance confirmed yesterday the second import slot had been filled by power forward Kyle Hunt.
Hunt, from Queens, New York, is a 208cm, 104kg big man who is just as comfortable inside the paint as he is from long range.
The 25-year-old is set to arrive in the state at the weekend and will again join forces with Bennerman, who has already had a training session with the Chargers.
Two years ago, Bennerman and Hunt were selected in the NBA D-League draft by the Austin Toros — development team for NBA champions San Antonio — which could help reduce the time needed for the pair to find team chemistry with Hobart."
Well hobart played a practice game last night :/ wow, gravely concerned after what I witnessed. Short of 28 points from Shane Harris Tunks (by far the tallest guy on the court) a very much average performance. Tom Wright played very little part after rolling his ankle early and Tiri Masunda was a no show. Canmerson Bennermann looks interesting to say the least, but early days since he arrived in Tasmania, Unsure throwing new import Kyle Hunt into the mix will change much personally, but here's hoping. Most likely starring down the barrel of another horror season.
Assist149
Years ago
Masunda was playing NWBU for Wynyard. Result of the game never in doubt as All Stars were one pass and shot to try and showcase their skills but that offence either leads to a win or loss by 30.
Depth a concern and Bannerman seemed disinterested at times.
Maybe when the head coach is there is May change for the better.
anonymous
Years ago
So no Masunda, no Wright no 2nd import and gravely concerned. Another horror season now it seems.
Maybe you think Hawthorn will be terrible this season too.
The Lady Supercats have announced a new signing - after losing Kate Willey & Grace Parker last month, yesterday they annouced they signing of Rosie Fadljevic.
Anon
Years ago
Frankston only running one import this season.Very average roster will struggle to compete in SEABL.Bottom 2.
According to the article released by the Supercats - Willey has returned to Brisbane for family reasons while Parker has decided to play netball this year.
Anon...
Same Thread...
"Frankston only running one import.Long season by the bay........."
"Frankston only running one import this season.Very average roster will struggle to compete in SEABL.Bottom 2."
You got an axe to grind pal?
LarryLegend
Years ago
Wouldnt be surprised to see Alex Sheedy back to Lady Supercats after graduating from Fresno State
Happy Days
Years ago
Hearing nothing out of Canberra in regards to players. Delayed there redevelopment until at least 2017 so might be a squeeze for $$$...
the Lady Supercats do have 1 roster spot still open - so might be another inclusion to be announced or something inseason. Be interesting to see if they do fill that spot or go in with 11.
Frankston Women list now up on SEABL site - looks a solid and tough group. Fryters- McKenzie - Bowen tough front court.
Combined with the reigning league MVP (Garrick) & Kate Gaze in the back court also, they will be strong again.
Nuna signed couple of imports in the men..... Any word on Dandy second import?
Happy Days
Years ago
Chuck suppose of signed with Dandy but does that mean they will sign an import.Seems to be up in the air.Who are Nunawadings imports?
Heard the ex knox import heading to Nunawading...not sure who else
Regardless of how likely he is to go wherever people think is a "good level" the fact Bendigo have Tony Lewis (11.6 RPG last season) and now a 7"1 centre has got to be a concern for a lot of teams.
Simon Conn from Nunawading has destroyed many teams simply through his inside presence, and even my poor understanding of height wouldn't put him at 7"1.
For the Braves, this is a damn good signing given the fact that this has been rumoured to be "the year" for the final time under Harvs.
How deep do Bendigo's pockets actually go? Considering they'll most likely have a crack at the womens flag again too...
Conn is 6'8".
Delwan Graham announced at Spectres.
buckets
Years ago
Conn is not 6'8! I guarantee you he is at least 6'10. I mean sure, he's not 7'1 but don't try to tell me he is 6'8.
Bendigo Braves sign Jordan Vandenberg.
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/2922440/braves-sign-vandenberg/?cs=81
You guys may have to split the difference, CONN is listed as 206CM or 6'9" on here:
http://basketball.australiabasket.com/player/Simon_Conn/Australia/Nunawading_Spectres/52551
We all know listed height has a bit of sauce on it too..
Lets say 6'8" in bare feet!
Who plays in bare feet anon^? All basketballers are listed with their playing, or on court height these days.
Well i don't know about you but the only accurate standardised way to measure height is bare footed.
Anyone go to the games in horsham able to some reviews?
Anon fan
Years ago
Mitch staying in Adelaide playing Premier League for Woodville Warriors, last years Winners. He replaces Alex Starling last years athletic swingman import. Dr Darren Ng former Sixer and now Sixers club Dr also plays in the team. Mitch established with his PT business and Sixer off season commitments.
Anyone see the Frankston vs Sandringham game yesterday arvo?
I saw 3 and bit of the games in horsham. Some of my thoughts were.....
Bendigo appeared to be at full strength, they have some work to do to be competitive (they only beat Pioneers by 1 who were missing Hill and Daly). Not sure that there import Johnson is good enough.
Nunawading were without there bigger import. Think they will be up there again but will be heavily dependent of Conn, if he misses games with injury or gets in early foul trouble they will struggle. The McDonald/Conn on ball screen is still incredibly effective.
Ballarat were hard to get any read on at all. They were very light on in terms of regular player. Barlett can shoot the ball, with Booker and fisher also come back they are going to be deadly from the three line and I think score a large chunk of their points from there. The swaping of Horton to their new import will probably be similar. I think overall they will be similar to last year and if they dont have injuries will challenge.
Pioneers were missing Hill and Daly obviously pretty significant outs. They might be a bit light on in terms of height in the front court but will be atheltic as hell in the front court. Lee and Johnson will need to stay out of foul trouble. They will tough again to beat because they can get you from so many different spots. Will be up there again in defending their title.
Bear
Years ago
Season opening for Ballarat is a tough one, home against Bendigo and then next day rock up at Geelong for another hard game.
I wonder why it is they have these double header games in quick hits, I know why they do the Tassie doubles, to save costs, but surely players need a break at this level for the duration of the season...
Did Bendigo have Josh Wilcher playing or was he still o/s.
josh wilcher wasn't playing so that will help them! it will be interesting to see how he fits into there rotation. I dont think there import fit is right even more so with wilcher to come back in. Time will obviously tell!!
They're still pretty tough:
Vandenberg and Vigor
Lewis and Johnson
Wilcher and Probert
Plus Kevin Hogan and Taylor Bell
Bear- I think the 2 games are fine - bit unfair its Bendigo then Geelong the first weekend of the season.- rough start for Ballarat.
2 games is fine.
It used to be 3 games in Tassie with a road trip Sunday morning and a 2:30pm or ealier game.
One year there were 2 Sydney based teams and a team in Wollongong. Played over a weekend. With a night at the Penrith Leagues Club mixed in.
The younger players especially love those types of weekends as it usually leads to minutes. Especially now with the 40 minute game the top 3 players will often play 35mins + when there is just the one game for the weekend.
anon
Years ago
Ballarat were a playoff team last season. Bendigo not.
new hobart import kyle hunt looks to have settled in playing his first club game last week with 26 points/18 rebounds carrying much of the load for his team.
tiri & bj both looking good with 3 consistent games so far. tiri also having a couple solid games for wynyard in the NWBU
harris-tunks and bennerman both look to be struggling even at club level :/
Sandringham beat Frankston. Pretty scrappy affair from both sides. Frankston minus Brandon Polk and Matthew Hodgson. Sandringham at full strength.
NSW used to have 3 or 4 teams in at various times. Various 3 game road trips.
Comets, west Sydney, Penrith and Illawarra.
Then there was the Mt Gambier and Murray Bridge double header.
buckets
Years ago
Double headers happen in every league in the world. They are just a part of competitive sport. Its part of the challenge of being an athlete to be able to bounce back the next day and perform again.
Why the surprise at Double headers?
They've been happening since SEABL began.
Even, shock horror BigV do them occasionally.
two game weekends are a must for the league to survive in my opinion. They are tough but the clubs must and do prepare for them accordingly. What is important however is that the double game weekends (and there are those that are tougher than others) are equalized between the clubs as much as is possible.I think that is the key. Sure they are tough but if each club has the same load over the course of the season then things are equaled out.
^^ apparently so!
tonight's effort from Bennerman
32:30
FG 7-18 @ 39%
3P 2-9 @ 22%
Turnovers 5
Rebounds 5
thinking hobart got another dud
Vodka94
Years ago
Bennerman and Hunt came to to hobart for SEABL/NBL ..not for these measly SBL games that means nothing. the only thing that matters is the season that starts on April 10th.
if that was the case and im certainly not questioning it. why would Hobart allow him to play SBL games? obviously they are the ones with plenty to lose should the injury get more serious? especially 3 weeks out from round 1
paul
Years ago
Gotta get some game fitness, I suspect that's what he's doing.
Just looked at the SEABL "Signings", can someone please explain how is it possible for 1st College players, returning for their break be listed in these teams? it is Clearly a breach of NCAA, NAIA rules for them to play in a Pro league. Are Coaches and Administrators at this level lacking in that much intelligence?
Whom specifically are you talking about?
DIvision 2 and JuCo is allowed.
Semi pro league with plenty not getting payed, I'm guessing that's the loophole
Rangers vs Franga Women prac yesterday. Both had key guards out but it was a tough pre-season hit out.
Rangers by 12 in end but both teams to be around the mark this year.
Anonymous
Years ago
If they are coming from div one colleges they can train but not play, div 2 or juco as has been said are permitted to play, but not get paid. Most just train though. Some may have chosen to finish college and not return, if that's the case they can do what they like.
SEABL Watcher
Years ago
Bandits get wins in both trail games against the Miners on the weekend.
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/2962111/bandits-beat-miners-twice/?cs=10
In other news, Steve Smith's man-crush on Brad Chalmers seems set to continue.
taken from facebook
North West Tall Timbers Thunder 81 have defeated Hobart Chargers 66.
Monzaigo 21 points & 5 assists
Brad 15 points
Kyle 12 points & 8 rebounds
Fred 11 points & 9 rebounds
Mason 11 points & 4 steals
Joe 6 points & 4 rebounds
Lachie 5 points & 2 rebounds
THUNDER UP !!!
was only 1 point in it at 3 quarter time
buckets
Years ago
Do you have the stats for the Hobart Chargers as well? Really only interested in the imports stats.
Assist149
Years ago
Masunda 22
Wright 17
Hunt 14
Harris-Tunks 4
Bannerman 3
The 3 new non local players scoring only 21 between them. Ouch.
So who will last the longest this year?? Coach or Imports?
Assist149
Years ago
New coach has good structures in place and expects a high standard of play.
Hunt could be a legit force in the league at 6'10. This is the Chargers first pre season game and still have two weeks to iron out the kinks.
agreed, hunt looks the goods to me!
harris-tunks and bennerman however....
did BJ play? he has been pretty much dominating the SBL games..
Alice Kunek to Sandringham women. Trying to keep it quiet but everyone knows!!!
Assist149
Years ago
BJ played but wasn't really a presence on offence or defence .
Could get lost in the mix like most SEABL seasons.
In SBL he would be touching the ball most of the time on a two man team.
credit to bennerman, after a glimpse on instagram/twitter he seems pretty determined to turn his performance around.
I reckon those pix were before last Saturdays game.
With the season almost upon us, what are everyones predictions for this season, conference champions, overall champions, MVP and so on
Top few pending injuries: Dandy, Mt G, Nunawading, Kilsyth, Geelong
Ballarat beaten by 20-30 in every preseason game.
Booker hasn't got Ken Horton to help him this year, new American import not looking good enough.
Opposition side will just double team Booker- Going to be a long year after such a great year last year
my tip is mt gambier for the title again. much the same roster so chemistry should be good. I think the loss of Allen and replaced by Lee is an upgrade, very athletic team on offense and defence. Also burdon will be much stronger this year, missed most of last season with ankle injury, and now in much better shape
Geelong and Bendigo have recruited very well- and Mount definitely a force - maybe a 3 sided comp this year
Albury-Wodonga surely to make a decent showing this year? look to have recruited well and have had a good scoring spread in all the practice games.
Bennerman missed another SBL game last night. starting to become abit of a joke when the SBL themselves are starting to mention it in post match reviews for facebook.
"Grenadiers (4-3) without their import Cam Bennerman for the 5th time this season"
meanwhile Kyle Hunt got schooled by Corey Davie...(23pts, 15reb) vs (14pts, 2reb)
LC
Years ago
Women's previews now up on PnR.
SEABL 2015: Women's preview
Early season predictions of the championship being between Hobart & Kilsyth from the South or Ballarat & Dandenong from the East.
Thoughts?
not expecting much from hobart honestly.
hurt losing cayla and ashton from the starting 5, but alex finlayson and isabelle morgan were both quality bench players.
cant really say the same for the current bench group.
Michael
Years ago
It was a mistake not to mention Sandringham. I believe they are talented enough to win the Women's South.
South top 4
Sandy
Kilsyth
Launceston
Bendigo
East
Nunawading
Dandenong
Ballarat
Geelong
No way Nuna top, they will struggle to make the 4 with that lineup.
Sandringham and Kilsyth both struggle city, neither any depth. The Kunek experiment at Ballarat worked well - not! Bendigo and Frankston to top South as per last year. Might take Bendigo a few weeks to gel but will be fine. Frankston deeper than last year with Gaze and McKenzie. Dandenong certainties to top East in Larissa's swansong year. Not sure where the excitement towards Nunawading is coming from - much prefer Ballarat and Brisbane's roster.
Big first game tonight, witha grandfinal rematch between the pioneers and Spectres at the icehouse.
Spectres have beaten the Pioneers twice in the preseason. Will that form continue? Or will the Pioneers recent history of beating them in the big games continue?
It is the Pioneers for me at home to keep the incredible winning streak at home going (I think it is close to 20 in a row!)
Looking forward to Daly v McDonald matchup yet again, I think Daly will carry on his impressive form from the GF and get the nod. Some other great match ups and looking forward to how the additions to each team will impact the structures from last year.
Pioneers with the addition of Lee I suspect will be super athletic at both ends of the court and should play an exciting up tempo style!
Looking forward to it!
Finlayson has an Achilles end of season injury and one of their new players has done an acl apparently.
Ballarrat women .. wow, so much for them being contenders
Sabres win, Miners and Spectres.
Chargers lose with a score of 61 and Sabres score 64 in 40 min of basketball. Both will struggle if that remains the case.
It's Round 1 - always takes a couple of weeks to get things firing particularly for new coaches with new rosters.
soooo hobart imports, 1 from 2 isnt too bad i guess!
kyle hunt looks the goods, dominant performance that got hobart to a flyer.
bennerman however, absolute spud! wonder how many games he'll last...
^^^ would have taken that over bennermans FG 3-23 @ 13% & 3P 2-13 @ 15%
or even shane harris tunks fouling out in 12mins!
Whitey
Years ago
Tunks got robbed by soft early fouls. He was a great defensive anchor. Hobart are only going to get better.
Haters going to hate, Rush has a good thing going with their chemistry. Bannerman will be a lot more effective when he buys into team ball, not just step back jumpers.
Step back jumpers he can't hit! It was laughable. At one point all the people sitting around me just laughed at him.
Nice effort sinking those late 3 point shots, but we've seen all too much of that previously from deba. Difference being more often than not he'd hit them and finish with 30+.
LC
Years ago
In a defensive minded match, the Hobart Chargers have fallen 61-64 to the Sandringham Sabres with their star import, Cam Bennerman, struggling in the season opener.
Rough Start for Hobart Import
Bendigo never looked in the game against Ballarat.
Is there any Live streaming this year- seabl website is a shocker this year, no pregame previews,- hopefully somebody can get it all sorted
If Bennerman's on the outer maybe look at the Head Coach for hiring both imports and Tunks. 1/3 isn't good.
Will be interesting to see how Ballarat back up against Geelong tonight?
I'm no coach, but a large majority of the shots Bennerman attempted weren't there to be taken. Both court/bench players showed frustration, I think a few words were exchanged by players on a couple occasions, yet Ben Rush continued to let him do as he pleased. Really liking the look of Kyle Hunt tho!
Not sure why but looking at K Hunt on the boxscore makes me smile.
Chargers have Supercats next. Good luck with that.
no deba george for the bandits tonight? injured i assume?
Upsets continue. Miners beat Cats. Gunners lose by 40. Sabres beat NWT and the Sabres aren't that good. Franga lose which probably isn't an upset.
SEABL Watcher
Years ago
Well there goes my tipping record for 2015.
how stack is the mens dandenong seabl team?????
LIke the Bendigo team of recent years. Gotta win it however
There will be blood on the floor after tonights game. Chargers Vs Cats.
22- 38 at 1/2 time. Chargers scoring a measly 7 point in the 2nd and about 7 minutes scoreless.
Didn't think bennerman could play worse than last week, apparently I was wrong
Melbourne United refusing to release Matt Hodgkins to Frankston for another 3 weeks.Not sure why, maybe its a contract thing.
Chargers have serious issues. Bennerman useless, Harris Tunks more so.
although unlikely isnt hugh greenwood dude back in tasmania? sack one c.bennerman replace with h.greenwood equals happy days
Braves getting done by the Bandits, bit of an upset.
Lady Braves smashing their opposition, again.
looks like deba george had one to forget first outing for the bandits however
Tony Lewis was the only one out there who really bothered to play hard, chase a lose ball or take a chance. A couple of guys off the bench played with great effort but the rest of their starters pathetic!
This Vandernberg bloke is a downright ditsy! Doesn't play D, looks lost on the other end and can't rebound. Seriously the worst player I have seen get minutes at seabl level for quite some time. Grant Johnson looks serviceable, but not a huge scoring import which is maybe what the Braves need.
Look at Lewis, he was a beast at Dandenong. Why? Because of good coaching AND the fact DQ takes a lot of attention. Now, he's the man and nobody else wants to step up. Big thumbs up for Tony's effort tonight but the rest of the Braves need to lift or it will be one very sad season.
Poor round one against Ballarat and way way worse tonight against the Bandits
Wouldn't read too much into the Lady Braves smashing albury.. Albury will be lucky to get a single win this year. Sad really.
ATM Dandy losing, as is Ballarat. Kilsyth and Sabres neck and neck. Geelong down too.
MOst games now a lot closer.
Dandy up,Miners up, Cats by 1, Specs by 2,Sabres down by 8.
Spectres lose. Cats lose, Dandy lose, Sabres lose, Miners lose, hows the tipping going?
schoolofhardknox
Years ago
What happened with Conn and McDonald last night? Was surprised they didn't never saw the court for the 1st quarter I was there for
" Albury will be lucky to get a single win this year. Sad really."
Smh..You have no clue.
Frankston down by 20 in the latter part of the 3rd.
Frankston team apart from Page and Polk is Big V standard. Cobras took foot off the pedal as they were out by 30.Going to be a long cold winter for the mens program...
SEABL Watcher
Years ago
It looks like we're in for an impossible to pick season.
Bendigo and Hobart on the bottom of the ladder. Winless.
Vandenberg could be gone soon from some of the comments.
Frankston, Bendigo and Hobart all have issues. Depth, stability and quality imports are important in the SEABL.
Theyve got nobody else...Tindal was given his marching orders but if you listen to there radio show its all red roses for the mens team.
Page is SEABL standard. The Blues have one import and a bunch of injuries. Bendigo and Hobart have spent money and are in the same boat.
"Is Page SEABL standard"
Really???
Cue the haters.
paul
Years ago
Really enjoying the unpredictable results early, hope this continues.
Pressure building on Bennerman and Tunks to perform.
won't be too many bigger upsets then canberra beating dandy at dandy coming off a game in Mt Gambier.
Surely if Bennerman and Tunks can't put some numbers up during the first away trip it's game over. 4 less than acceptable SEABL performances for high profile signings is enough opportunities, added to the fact neither has done anything at all in a number of SBL club outings.
has he finally arrived?! lets hope so for hobarts sake
http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/28374/14/43/08/99q5TbIrvUl2o/
C.Bennerman
34:52
FG 19/32 @ 59%
3P 6/16 @ 38%
OR 2
DR 4
Chargers Vs Mt Gambier with no Mick Hill getting belted. Tunks still zero points and 1 rebound. Hunt 5 points. Bennerman 18 points.
Blood on the floor. Rush under the pump.
Assist149
Years ago
Bennerman ok tonight. Teenager Barker leading rebounder with 10 and Tunks with 2.
Big difference between a kid playing for free and a 6'10 paid player.
All eight players hit the court in first quarter. Maybe too many subs too early?
tunks should hang up the shoes now and call the season over! cant see it getting any better for him.
Rush subs like an u10 kids game, these guys are athletes and should be expected to play 30+ minutes at full tilt.
^^ hit the nail on the head. a discussion suggesting exactly that between a board member and spectator was overhead during last weeks game against geelong. a few other people in the immediate area had a few things to say about him and his coaching at the time also. behavior wise on the sideline he is an embarrassment to hobart.
^^ not a SEABL quality coach, kitted out with a team that is not SEABL quality. It had disaster written all over way before the season started. Hobart's recruiting has been horrible for 2 seasons now, and with a limited budget, and a results based fan group you can't afford to make mistakes. Home crowds only hanging on right now based on the Lady Chargers results.
Assist149
Years ago
Why spend near import money on Tunks?
Why recruit Bennerman who is a guard when they already have two starting guards?
Why not get a proper 3 man who can play outside and in?
What really shows is the lack of bench depth because there has been no junior development in the last ten years. Krebs,Greenwood,Inches,Masunda were always talented before entering the program.
Love your thoughts assist149. you were the one that I seem to recall that was so supportive.
Enuff said.
Assist149 said "New coach has good structures in place and expects a high standard of play.
He may have high standards undoubtedly, however its a shame his coaching skills don't match his talk.
Stat not often dissected: Subs Hobart 41 Mt Gambier 24
That simply says no idea. Either that or the side the head coach selected can't get the job done. If Hill had played they would have lost by 40. That needs to be remembered too.
Dave
Years ago
You cant blame the coach if there are no SEABL quality starters in your line up. Could be ugly v Kilsyth. Biggest issue at the moment is they struggle to score over 60 which will win you ZERO games.
You can blame the coach for selecting them.
They might beat Spartans next weekend seeing as they have lost their import and assuming CJ doesn't suit up. People will be leaving in droves if they lose to Thunder the following week.
No real upsets looming, lots of close games down the stretch.
Bris over Sandy, Canb 1 point winner over NWT, Braves and Spectres 1 point diff at 3q time, Blues 1 pt in front of Rangers with 3 min to go, (upset. Supercats 8 in front of Bandits 1/2 way in the 3rd.
Cobras smash the hapless Hobart team by 22.
Chargers now 0-4.
Ben Rush or Shane Harris-Tunks to get sacked first?
"He's more than just a workhorse," Rush said. “Shane’s a guy who’s going to do some of the dirty jobs so to speak — the screening, rebounding, defending. “He’s also got a great understanding of the game, and his skill level is high for a big guy. “So it’s a mixture of skill, experience and smarts, along with some of those dirty jobs.”
"Part of the attraction of coming to Hobart was getting to play with Rushy again. “We’ve had a relationship for years, so that was exciting to get to play for him and for a coach I know.”
2 points 1 reb in 16min. NO wonder he isn't playing NBL. Rush hand picked him.
Rangers fortunate to beat the Blues in a ripper contest.
Do who we singling out this week to criticize ?
i thought we were still ripping into hobart? bennerman is safe for now! but figure we drop ben rush and harris-tunks into the fire
The Coach is doing that himself by getting ejected during the Cobras game. 0-4 speaks for itself.
not surprising at all.
he was given 2 warnings during the geelong game and should have been ejected for his final outburst but somehow managed to stay (most likely due to being a handful of minutes remaining).
considering the number of kids/younger basketball clubs that attend hobart chargers home games i would have thought hobart management would be cracking down on it pretty quickly.
Lot of time spent in the selection process only to find that all the credentials in the world don't equate to people skills and a fundamental understanding of the game.
Supercats showed they are contenders, Bandits were hot favourites with the scribes but went home tails between their legs, licking their wounds.
One great import apparently. George inconsistent.
"We went on what I think was a 19-0 run in the third quarter and our defence was just off the charts as they didn't score for about eight and a half minutes," Richard Hill said.
Steve Blackley will coach Frankston Blues in 2016.
Anon
Years ago
Why would he? Simon Giovannoni is doing a great job given his roster
Why would Frankston replace a guy they have invested in for 2 years with another rookie coach?
I believe Simon G has signed for 2 years anyway.
Agree Simon is a very good coach but he is also running on a showstring budget.He would be better at another club with more talent and budget to work with.
wow! i thought for certainty either ben rush or harris-tunks would go first :/
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/hobart-chargers-oust-import-cameron-bennerman-after-four-games/story-fnj92b0f-1227327171207
anyone in the know of possible replacements? surely being such an early sacking opens plenty of possibilities
Wrong person sacked. Rush is way out of his depth.
he wont be around much longer if they dont beat brisbane, cant see them winning any of the following 5 games regardless of what happens friday night...
Chargers likely to name an Australian replacement sometime today.
Happy Days
Years ago
NBL guys would be keen for a gig the way things are going.
The Mercury reported this morning that while bennerman had improved his performance on court in the last 2 outings, it was ultimately lack of cohesion with the playing group that led to his sacking
I think bennerman was a bad egg from his body language, etc...
Hard to make a call on an import sight unseen when it comes to those things.
I think the replacement is an NBL player from Sydney...
There is no cohesion because the players know that Rush cant coach. No plays for Bennerman at all, hardly any for Hunt and Tunks having more fouls that points and rebounds.
Kevin White in.
Happy Days
Years ago
Kevin White is not known for his shooting...Interesting.
HO
Years ago
So do we have one just constantly anti-rush person here or many? Didn't rush coach the Tasmanian U209 Boys team that played earlier this year? Seemed to do a good job of that.
Happy Days
Years ago
Under 209's... couldnt of been too many teams running around :)
Plastic Man
Years ago
On a serious note.
I'm 50 - do you think that is too young to try out for the under 209's or should I wait a few more years until I'e got a bit more experience behind me?
SEABL Watcher
Years ago
White has always shot pretty well when playing in Waratah League. I don't recall his shooting record in SEABL when he was with the Miners(& all the old stats links seem to have gone since they switched). It's only in the nBl that he resembles a deer caught in the headlights when he gets the ball in a shooting situation & even there he's had a few games when he's been on target & dropped some decent numbers.
HO
Years ago
Pm and HD, the 209's are an integral part of the COE pathway - why are you guys making light of this....
Dave
Years ago
He did have about 20 one game for the Kings. Outside that I think his highest was about 4. Chargers would probably take 4 per game. Last years effort is starting to look ok.
He also had a lot of capable support staff around him and a very capable group of players...let compare him to Chris Scott in the AFL, he didn't coach Geelong to a premiership when he took over the club, the players carried him to a premiership and now times are tough with personel he is struggling to actually do the job he was hired to do.
Rush doesn't do himself any favours court side..removed from the stadium against Kilsyth and should have been ejected against Geelong at home also..
Plastic Man
Years ago
You're right HO made a rookie mistake, shows my immaturity and that I'm too young and not ready for the 209's
Rush inherited a very talented side from Justin Schueller and therefore its his crowning coaching achievement. Other than that he had no coaching success up until a few months ago.
Many totally dislike what he has managed to do to a once successful club in such a short time.
^^ pretty obvious during a home game on the balcony. Regularly overhear discussion of people voicing opinion.
Dave
Years ago
Bennerman summed it up on the news tonight. The club has unrealistic expectations with the players available. The President - White brings better defence to the group. News flash - you are struggling to score 60 each week. That won't win many games.
60 a week will be fine if the other team gets 59.
There was an import sitting on the Frankston bench on Saturday night - he didn't play just watched them lose (again). Has Frankston signed him as their second import? Anyone know who it is? Lord knows Frankston need one. Same boat as Hobart - can't score. The players do their best, but it's a roster that would struggle in Big V Champ Men. Are things that bad down there that they refuse to spend any money on their senior Mens team?
White? You can't be serious. Of all of the current players available, he wouldn't rate at all. If he was that good he would be already back in the SEABL. Tunks is trying to get back in the SEABL and a personal selection by Rush. A bust.
So where is the problem? Who selected the imports? If it was Rush there is the problem if it wasn't Rush why not?
I think the question is how many players/coaches can hobart sack this year? Can they do better than last years 3? White won't do the job required, Tunks is definitely a spud and Ben Rush surely doesn't have much faith left in him. We could be looking at 7 sackings within 12 months in the coming 4-6 weeks
President will have issues when sponsors start walking away and court side boxes/seating empty due to team performance and a coach with anger issues!
Two weeks ago the coach was right behind Bennerman! Fact is when someone is behind you, it's the best position to push you off the cliff. If the President, who weirdly is also the major sponsor starts taking some hits, expect Rush to be next one out the door.
I wish that were true. The President chose to sack Bennerman and not Rush. The president was at both games and in fact witnessed Rush's meltdown and subsequent ejection in Kilsyth as well. Rush is that inept at coaching and managing his own 1/2 time tirade the whole team had no warm up before the 3rd and were in fact late out onto the court.
Coaching with meetings foremost, long warm ups, incessant drills and no scrimmaging is kids stuff. The Chargers have a kids coach who can't coach men.
Someone point the board to this forum. You know you have a problem when 80% of an forum seabl discussion is about the woes of one club.
Bit like Knox...and we know who was right there.
White confirmed.
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/chargers-snap-up-sydney-kings-guard-kevin-white-to-replace-axed-cameron-bennerman/story-fnj92b0f-1227328824227
Happy Days
Years ago
White adds some defensive grunt but where are they going to get enough points to win the game.
Brisbane undefeated and both sides minus and import. All of a sudden Chargers gets a win and Rush is a star. They should beat coe and maybe Ballarat where else will the wins come from.
Funny how the knives coming out for Rush.
He's got the ability to build a solid culture in Hobart. Something that has been sadly lacking for years. Axing him now will kill the club.
Previous coaches were handed their jobs on a platter then whining when they're dumped. Rush has the CV so lets hope the player buy in.
I guess his court side behaviour and game day coaching isn't in question either? His a headache waiting to happen based on behaviour alone.
What utter rubbish. The only culture is my way or the highway. He's coaching adults now not kids.
SF6
Years ago
Congratulations to Chappy on his 300th game.
a great achievement.
assist149
Years ago
How was the last coach handed a ready made winning team?
Three starting guards were signed before he was appointed.
Stewart was handed veteran laden teams and never developed any juniors in his time as coach and kept bringing back 30 year olds to win now not for the future.
Rush isn't even based in Hobart so how is that the best way to build team culture?
Besides Rush's silver medal at Junior Nationals what is his adult coaching success rate and what leagues?
Mitch Chapman - great bloke and well deserved 300th. Shame Frankston couldn't get him from 297 to 300. Played there from U12's.
We are talking about Frankston the "community club".Its three years now since Bill left and the place is in worst shape than ever.Board got sold a Porsche and ended with a second hand Hyundi Excel.
Mitch Chapman was the Captain of the Frankston Blues. The Captain. He left of his own accord. He hasn't spoken to anyone (management or coaches) there about the fact he has left.
chargers win, tunks still a spud and rush still looks out of his league
Some of you guys need to get off the grass. Tunks does all the shit jobs and saved that game. As for Rush, give him a chance after all he is stuck with a bunch off "BOYS" who weren't taught the fundamentals in their local junior development clubs, that's where you should be dipping your sticky noses into and sharing your apparent knowledge in there and actually DEVELOP these kids. Then we wouldn't look so damn stupid. You people who sit there and judge every coach we get, how about you try getting behind them and support your team or go find something else to do with your Friday nights.
Not sure you watched the same game I did?! But if looking like a stunned rabbit in car headlights everytime Tunks got the ball is doing the "shit jobs" then yeah I guess he did.
Rush still teaches drills every day. Day in day out. If they dont know it now, they never will. How about scrimmaging. Tunks still had 2 points. Still a bust.
Whats white going to bring to the table? Defence supposedly. How about scoring consecutive games over 80.
Tunks will stay because he was picked by Rush. Lose to Thunder next week and rush should be joining the unemployed queue. Of course 3 the president sat on the selection panel and pickwd Rush. Conflict of interest anyone.
Dave
Years ago
Rush can coach and has lots of experience both pre and post the AIS. His personality has a history of getting him off side with people but the lack of talent in this group is not all his fault. If there was local talent Harris-Tunks would be a good addition. The two starting guards make no one better.
If you think Tunks can play. Everything else you just said is so wrong.
He may know the play books well but has a dictators mentslity and the personality of a fence post. He is unable to have any decent relationships with players and yet again the board have discussed moving him on. Thsts for the 2nd time.
If you think Tunks can play. Everything else you just said is so wrong.
He may know the play books well but has a dictators mentslity and the personality of a fence post. He is unable to have any decent relationships with players and yet again the board have discussed moving him on. Thats for the 2nd time.
If the board have genuinely discussed moving him on the only thing currently keeping him in the position would be lack of appropriate people willing to step into the job. For the sake of the Chargers season I hope that changes soon...
There would still be no chance for the Chargers if they keep their starting guards. Those two play to much hero ball. Unfortunately Rush must be hitting his head against the wall with the bunch he is stuck with. No wonder he is frustrated, they can't even get in the right positions.
Billy
Years ago
No, about Frankston being sold a Porsche and not getting it. The Porsche needed new wheels, the squeaky ones weren't getting it done and impacted in a bad way.
Mr Mitchell sided with the squeaky wheel, wouldn't help the Porsche help him to win the race, so the Porsche parked itself in the garage.
Now Frankston has neither the Porsche or Mitchell to show for it. Egos ruin things for the greater good of the club.
That said, Giovanni is like Brett Brown with the Sixers. There's little talent and one bona fide gun, but the team plays hard within their experience and capability. If they want better results, they need to wait and let it build, or open the wallet.
Simple.
Always was a problem appointing rush. Undoubtedly qualified with kids and ais. Yet once appointed he was always unavailable until early 2015. Pointing the finger at the players after game 2 as being unfit, he was told if they had a decent preseason and you were here we might be fitter.
Their future will be determined playing Thunder this friday. They lost by 15 with a poor Bennerman performance. Losing by anything other than a small margin will finally alienate the fans.
Anonymous
Years ago
The Frankston management were given a Porsche by Runchey and the previous administration, but no one knows how to drive it! The once respected club is now being laughed at.
The current board wanted to build a Taj Mahal but with out realising that you need money to do it.State and federal funding dried up so it was never going to get over the line no matter how much spin you put on it. Hopefully somebody with some business acumen will grab the bull by the horns and do a clean out.
Hobart currently on top of NWT... interested in hearing reports on tunks and whites performance
Chargers snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Rangers in deep trouble.Gunners likewise. Other games all within 6.
If anyone could lose a game they looked like winning it would be hobart.
Must have been an interesting game. Williams scoreless. Neither benches worried th scorers and with tunks getting 4 pon5s and 7 rbs you would wonder how long hes got left. Hunt had 16 and 7.
White 8pts is hardly import quality. 20 to with 12 from 3 players is bad. 4 each to tunks barker and hunt. Ratcliffe scoreless in 22 min.
Kyle hunt quiet with 5.
42 nwt points amongst 3 players 39 amongst 3 chargers players. 59 points wont win the too many games and wright was quoted in the paper saying their defence is better than their offence. Tonight he was (w)right
Chargers better in most categories as well.
Frankston lose again.No wonder they call it the House of Blues!!! Feel sorry for Brandon Polk and the coach considering what they've got to work with.
Interested Spectator
Years ago
"what happened to Kyle Adnam tonight (3 mins played)?"
Hurt his knee. Didn't appear to be a collision injury but on a baseline drive movement. He went down then hobbled off. Iced up.
Has Tunks done enough to keep his spot? 2 bench players put up similar numbers in half the court time...
Assist149
Years ago
It's interesting that Sam Harriss was let go by the Chargers years ago early in the season and was putting up the same numbers as Tunk and at 1-5 will letting Tunks go solve any problems?
It's one thing to play great d but if you can't score over 60 per game you won't win many games.
Thunder import Williams is way too inconsistent and too small maybe they need to replace him with Bennerman.
Might not solve any problems initially, but he would be on a decent pay to have relocated from the mainland. Putting court time into the likes of Willis and Baker makes more sense to me personally. I like the look of Willis at times and Baker has been solid on limited time.
Assist149
Years ago
They may as well start either Barker or Wills in the 4 spot.
Starting two 6'10 centres limits what you can do when neither is going to put up shots from 15ft and Tunks isn't showing a low post game.
Has Frankston suddenly got a lot of extra money ?
First adding Coletto and allegedly Matt Hodgson and import Eric Williams soon will be in the SEABL team ?
Horse has bolted.Wont make playoffs now.Neither the mens or youth mens have won a game...
Barker will return to college soon. So what then? Assist149 you talk about them not scoring more than 60 and playing great D. Yet thunder going on an 11 -0 run is terrible D and exactly when they choked and lost the the game.
This side is almost as bad as last seasons. Tunks for some reason still has a job as does the coach who personally selected him.
Eric Williams signed with Frankston late last week.Waiting for a clearance from Colombia.At 0-6 better get the whips cracking....
Soo it's Monday afternoon and Tunks/Rush both seemingly still have a job...
Yes. Shame their last last coach was treated so poorly.
Whitey
Years ago
Rush has a vision of where he wants the playing group to be. He is trying to teach them how to achieve that level.
Sacking him would achieve nothing. The club needs to believe and trust in his ability and back him for this season and next.
He has a two year contract, so lets just let him try and do his job. We need to solidify as a club whilst under pressure.
"They (the Thunder) are a free-scoring team while we are strong defensively and for most of the game our style was working."
So how is an 0-11 run strong defensively? Was Rush asleep at the wheel when that lapse cost the the game?
Offence averaging less than 60. Sheesh. Talk8ng d up is pointless if you let some go on an 11 - 0 run and you have no go to guy offensivly.
Double down on hunt like kilsyth did and then what. Hunts a great player but he aint no polk.
sportsfan
Years ago
so anyone have any ideas who is looking good to win SEABL this year in womens & mens
womens
nunawading , Kilsyth looking good
Mens
not sure few had star players out games with injuries
Early Days - like the AFL some teams have had a soft opening draw.
People who want Rush sacked are the same ones who slammed the club for axing Davie?!
Where does it end. If a few people would shut up and give him a chance things might turn around.
Sour grapes from the local basketball know it alls who just want to poison the club as they're trying to make positive change.
Sad that such backward thinking keeps dragging the club down!
Pallas72
Years ago
how does a coach who has constantly showed a lack of professionalism with his sideline antics and immature philosophy of basketball deserve a chance while a player like Bennerman who clearly has proof in his resume that he can play (despite the first 2 games) gets released? they never gave a highly documented player a chance, Rush surely doesn't deserve one.
thats without mentioning his continued faith in Tunks despite him not having even a performance worth mentioning in 6 starts now.
Tunks is hardly a local boy playing for a free mainland trip and a couple meals, by all reports they are paying him solid money. certainly enough to justify relocating from the mainland.
And replacing him with who?
If he was an American he would have been replaced by now. Just like Vandenburg in Bendigo, you'd be just cutting a player who is underperforming and not able to replace them with anyone. Depedning on the contract, you may also have to pay out the rest of the salary.
Sack an import and bring in white. Yes that makes no sense at all. Dont pay tunks the money he is getting and go without.Or alternatively sack him and bring in an american import for the same money.
The club has never had had a culture like the dictator that Rush is.
He simply cant coach adults and the players have no respect and reason to play for him.
How about some accountabilty for player selection? If you are a local you will know that one of the reasons the last coach got the sack was poor on court performances and poor player selections.
Rush is an outsider and has consistently been unavailable pre season to conduct any pre season. He had already accused the players after 2 games of being unfit. He is convinced (himself and the board) they play hard D. Crap. Yet he as a coach cant coach them offensively.
Clearly not the players problem. He runs no plays for Hunt who sits on the 3 point line and he believes thats where hunt can play. Put tunks out there, he's useless inside and Rush believes and has been quoted that tunks needs to adjust to the play. Ffs hes supposed to be fringe nbl and Rush keeps making excuses for him.
The board know they have chosen the wrong guy and pre season should have got rid of him when they had the chance to do so.
Massive time in player selection and a personal choice by Rush of Tunks should see him gone. That wont happen and the board now lnow t hey hot it wrong. Yet another chargers season down the gurgler. Shameful
its hardly good defense, its nothing more than scrappy basketball...
We know. Rush doesn't. Nor those that defend him.
I've just read through the last 200 Hobart posts. I'm starting to form the opinion that you don't think Rush is the best coach for the Hobart program.
No one does. Except his few defenders that will jump when he says jump. Some people like being sheep.
No one does. Except his few defenders that will jump when he says jump. Some people like being sheep.
Stumbled across an old Ben Rush juniors skills camp flyer last night. Even the prerequisite 2 years experience u15s would have been a handful for his coaching ability.
Think someone didn't get the job and has sour grapes!! Your just raving like a crazy crack head!!
When a coach signs a player he is always going to support him in the media...u don't sign a guy and say we had a small budget and coudnt get anyone else with size so he'll do!
Get over it results across the season will determine if he keeps his gig and Tunks as well.
Yet last season the head coach was sacked for poor player selection and poor on court results.
No sour grapes what so ever. Rush is simply out of his depth and the board know it yet wont do anything about it.
Make no mistake he is the highest paid coach the club has ever had and now is worst coach they have ever had.
Can this be changed to the Hobart 2015 thread. Getting boring. How about some real SEABL news.
Obviously new here. The knox thread is 4 times as long from last season. Get over it and dont read it.
What happened to Kyle Adnam on the weekend? Only played 3 minutes saturday and looking at the box score didn't play sunday. Neither did Tim Lang. Will both be right for the weekend? If not do Frankston have a sniff....?
^528228 yes I'm new but why not take your issues directly to the club? Just sounds like sour grapes from one or two people.
Franga big chance vs Kilsyth - I believe Williams and Hodgson are in.
http://m.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/coach-refuses-to-panic-at-chargers-tough-task/story-fnj92b0f-1227355908855
Yes the Chargers are clearly as talented as the Sydney Swans , Rush says in the article above. Great to see Tunks improving with 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 4 fouls and 2 points. Yes he didnt foul out so thats an improvement.
With the bench contributing 2 points and 2 players not even getting on court he clearIy has the mix right.
Well done 569. That comment outlines exactly why the Chargers are struggling. The poison that surrounds them at home. You failed to mention they actually won last night in a game they were not tipped to win. You fail to mention that this year the coach has put more faith in the bench than any time in the 6 years I have been watching them.
With fans that shit can them for loosing then go silent or dig through the stats to find negatives when they win I doubt the club will have any hope of looking to the future.
Solid effort last night by the Chargers. Slow start and moment of hesitation at around the 5min mark in the last. But held on.
Nice to see Tiri finally step up and throw down some solid numbers. Kevin White looked magic during the comeback in the second. Chargers still look to hesitate and play with the ball too much offensively. while Tunks certainly performed a lot better he still looks like a stunned rabbit when included in the plays, hopefully a few nice passes/touches in the last do wonders for his confidence. Kyle Hunt fought a solid battle inside offensively despite being double teamed all night.
Ballarat women just lost to Albury.. who was it at the start of year saying they would take the East?
Who was it that said Albury wouldn't win a game?
Maybe the same person
578 you are seriously saying Rush has faith in the the bench who scored 2 points and he didn't play 2 players. If you have been watching this season you clearly can see that Rush has no faith in the bench.
This I don't like Rush guy is awesome.
Someone give him/her a hug.
Lady chargers had 5 points off the bench and 3 players that did not hit the court yet Mark Nash is not getting any hate??
Or maybe someone just decided they don't like Ben Rush and imagines sooking on here will help somehow.
Hard to have faith in your bench when they aren't as good as their starters. Most teams are like that in the SEABL. Ask Rod Popp. Plays his starters into the ground. That's the point. It's a 40 minute game!!
You can't criticise a guy for playing his starters and in the same breathe have a crack at him for subbing too much. Rush and the Chargera are on the right path. They are disciplined and play together. They will get more wins - long season ahead.
Rush actually gets more out of nothing than most coaches would from a spectators point of view.
seabl has turned to shit after BA took over, hardly any live streaming. No promotion
Why didn't Bec Cole play the 2nd half for Nunawading yesterday. Injured?
Bec went down with what looked like a bad knee injury.
^773 that would be devastating news. Kid has worked extremely hard to become a fantastic player at WNBL/SEABL level.
Great player who work very hard, hopefully it isn't as bad as it looked and she can have a speedy recovery.
I'm tipping the kid comes back again better than ever. Made form the right stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nunawading-Spectres/497133743654133?fref=ts
Anonymous
Years ago
Didn't she do the same a couple of years ago, hope it's not the same one, too many of those boomers injuring themselves perhaps time to look at what preventatives they are doing or what perhaps they are NOT doing.
let us not start questioning what the boomers do or do not. the club and the players have some of the best programs in place. time to just extend our sympathy to Bec Cole and to send her the best wishes on a speedy recovery.
Anonymous
Years ago
^ think they need to take a good look at their conditioning, as these injuries are costing them dearly, the players even more so. Excellent program for building and developing , but not if it's going to have so many injured players.
ACL is no minor injury and can happen to anyone, but either boomers are plagued with bad luck or something is going on with how they prepare and condition.
It's one thing to develop good players and another to keep them sound. Let's hope she makes a great recovery but it's a yr long process which is heartbreaking for all involved.
Pretty sure its the "other knee" and she used Lars Surgery first time around so I'd suggest she'll do the same this time too - 12 weeks recovery. She'll be back in time for the WNBL season.
Who else from Boomers has actually been injured? Jarry? and Bec Cole? Who has had 2 reconstructions before, if I am thinking correctly? Both before she played for Boomers.
This just seems like an average number for a team of athletes? Doesn't seem like the Boomers are doing anything wrong?
Chelsea Poppens also did her knee while playing for Melbourne.Just an unfortunate coincidence,I think. Hope Bec makes a full recovery like Penaluna has.
Anonymous
Years ago
Moult, and one of their development players too.
Moult was injured before she signed for Boomers.
ANON
Years ago
Just bad luck The Boomers fitness and stength and conditioning programs are very professional.
Anonymous
Years ago
Injuries are not anyone's fault but could put into question whether all players who have Nbl or Wnbl plus seabl teams are possibly putting too much pressure on their bodies?
Some silly comments here.
You need to look at the type of injury first before questioning the validity or professionalism of a strength and conditioning program.
Are we looking at repeat stress/imbalance/over use type injuries such as hamstring strains, tendonitis, core strains?
Or are they acute injuries that rely on mechanical force to occur such as shoulders, rolled ankles and ACL ruptures.?
No amount of S+C will overcome someone falling across your leg and snapping an ACL or landing off balance and rolling an ankle.
NNG
Years ago
We are also aware that the boomers season ended in mid February, aren't we?
Bec has been in the Nunawading program since. Not that they are to blame either, because freak accidents and bad luck do happen, but it's unfair to pin responsibility on a team she has been out of season with, for 3 months now.
It's funny to see the Boomers zealot on here always saying how they are the best at everything.
How about the kid did her ACL and it's just shit luck? why is there a need to blame people?
Jason S
Years ago
I do love there has been 20 post since any Ben Rush hate
Anonymous
Years ago
Well let's hope Bec doesn't go back for more LARS surgery
We all know the Nick Malceski story. The Swan played 86 days after rupturing his anterior cruciate ligament in 2010.
There have been 10,000 LARS ligaments implanted in Australia since 2004, about three-quarters of which were for cruciate injuries.
Over 300 surgeons around the country perform the ligament augmentation and reconstruction system (LARS) surgery, which, with the use of a synthetic ligament, repairs the torn tissue.
If Alan Toovey, Taylor Walker and Kepler Bradley had LARS surgery - assuming their individual injuries allowed them to do so - they could have been back by about Round 18.
So why didn't they?
Dr Cameron Norsworthy performed LARS surgery on former Carlton forward Brad Fisher in 2010 and said the technology is promising but still imperfect.
"What we know for sure, and what I counselled Brad with as well, is that the LARS will always fail ... we just hope it fails further enough down the track that they have completed their career," Dr Norsworthy said.
"Anything man-made that you put inside the knee will eventually fail; it's just the environment of the knee and the stresses and demands upon it."
Dr Julian Feller says LARS surgery is attractive because of its faster rehabilitation time and the fact there is no need to take a graft from the player's patella or hamstring, causing "niggles" in that area.
But Feller said more LARS reconstructions have re-ruptured, in percentage terms, than traditional reconstructions.
"I'll always discuss it with players and encourage them if they want to get some opinions on LARS ... to do so," Dr Feller said.
"But it seems to me that most of the players I've dealt with in recent times are not that enthusiastic about it."
Dr Norsworthy said plenty of work was being done to improve the technology.
Well it would be a great concern if she had LARS in both knees.
Playing Pro Basketball will only form a small part of your life, you need healthy joints for the rest of it, sometimes its best to think long term before jumping at short cuts.
From an article in the Leader newspaper about Cole:
"I was very upset the day it happened, but I wasn't as devastated as I’ve been before because I already knew the feeling from doing the injury previously, I knew straight away it was the ACL,’’ she said.
“It is so upsetting because after all the issues with my other knee, I’ve worked so hard to get back and prove myself.
“It’s another year out, but I’ll be back. I can do it.’’
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/sport/melbourne-boomers-and-nunawading-spectres-guard-bec-cole-out-for-12-months-with-ruptured-acl/story-fnglemo4-1227361289661
Anonymous
Years ago
Ahh feel for her, but I'm sure she will be back
Pioneers thumped Kilsyth. Think pioneers might be starting to hit their straps. Kilsyth did look completely out played though in the second half. Is their some unhappiness within the camp?
And then the pioneers travel to Bendigo and come away with the win! A good weekend for them.
A high scoring round, an overtime game, and it would seem most results somewhat more predictable!
No one mentioned the Chargers losing to the Bandits and the Rangers. Oh wait they will get better.
Assist149
Years ago
Thunder at 6-3 have cut Monzagio Williams. BJ Jenkins expected to be replacement.
Who picks the player of the week awards - what a joke.
All of those weekly awards are based on stats, I wouldn't get too excited by them anon^
chargers choked twice over the weekend...both games they should have won
Anonymous
Years ago
Stats never show the defensive efforts of p,ayers
Yes we get it anonymous 980 you hate the Chargers! Did you follow the games at all? They were coming from behind and missed out barely both games to good teams. If you have an agenda to push you won't get far on here. The rest of the world doesn't care!
Blocks and steals are defensive stats are they not? What about defensive rebounds?
But agree little value if given to defensive players by award givers/voters. If it were Damian Johnson would be in everyone's top few for league mvp but safe to say he is not.
Mvp and similar awards
Like weekly mvp are almost solely considered
On the amount of points u can score!
You seem to care anonymous. Are you one of Rush's yes men?
Where were you anonymous to know all this inside info? Just read the box scores like so many here do. Yet really have no basketball experience. No we are not the same posters. Lose by 2 or 20. No one cares its a loss. Rangers and Bandits are mediocre teams this season. Chargers have beaten Brisbane and Nunawading yet fail to beat far lesser teams.
Rush doesn't care about the bench nor the development of the bench. No personal development of the kids cos he lives in Launceston and is never available in Hobart In his own words if you aren't up to this level, pine time.
He's never coached men and is way out of his depth coaching men.
#006 - did you bother watching the hobart games? Or even looking at the box scores..
Hobart had all the momentum at the end of the Albury game. They let them back in solely by playing too deep defensively against a team with a trio of excellent outside shooters.
They led Dandenong by a solid amount and gave it up in the 3rd..definitely no come from behind in that one..
Sure the team are doing some good things. Players haves stepped up to the mark, with plenty of glimpses of magic. But it's quite frustrating seeing them get done on the line when they were the better side on the night...
Is this the same coach that choked in the under 20's grand final. Up 2 with less than 30 seconds to go, fouls to give and managed to do nothing, allowing a score and the loss of the game. Yes.
Whitey
Years ago
"Rush doesn't care about the bench nor the development of the bench"
A few weeks ago you anon posters were complaining he was over using the bench, and subbing players like a U10's game.
Have you spoken to the bench players? Have you seen the time and patience he IS giving to the local players who don't have the knwoledge or skills to be competive at this level?
Our local junior development has let the region down. You cant expect him to come in and turn around decades of neglect and mismanagement. SMH
What local players are actually averaging over ten minutes a game?
Whitey I think you greatly over estimate the talent it takes to play SEABL these days.
The standard of the league has fallen.
Wills,Barker have been far from disgraceful in their minutes.
I don't think people complaints have been he has over used his bench more so the too frequent rotations of subbing three on three off every three minutes.
So when Barker goes back to college what then?
Ffs the bench scored 3 points a few weeks ago.
Rush is never there to do 1:1's like under Stewart.
If the dont have the skills and knowledge at this level why are they playing at all. Sure the talent is poor but blame the Chargers for that ever since they started. Of all the coaches they have had they have all been locals.
Rush is the least able to help local development because he lives in Launceston. He's the highest ever paid coach plus a car, when he's in Hobart he stays with the players. How bad us that.
No one is complaining about the bench, its the childish subbing of the bench like u10's because he had only ever coached kids.
^^ if thats the case, damn i feel sorry for the players he is crashing with... a team should be tight, but regardless of the situation most want to let steam fly away from the court... especially in the current situation
hobart up by 10 in the 3rd. have led for majority of the game. no claims of come from behinds this game. does the rush choke claim another game they should have won?
Maybe Ballararat are worse than the Chargers.!
Yes it's true about Rush staying with players.
Frankston lose by 44.Excuse to sack coach this week.
Basically the chargers game was 2nd bottom Vs 2nd bottom that no one cares about except Rush winning.
Rush will never win in the eyes of the anonymous 'supporters' on here. I am pretty sure he has been running more individual training sessions than any recent coach. I have no idea what he is getting paid but I am prepared to bet it is nowhere ne'er the average wage. The board selected him knowing his situation hang shit on them or get behind your team.
Assist149
Years ago
It is laughable that someone suggested Stewart actually did individual training sessions.
I fail to understand how a coach living in Launceston and visits 3 tims a week and one of them is game day has any time for individuals let al9ng with many players that actually work.
Yes that pre season was outstanding starting in Feb. Normally they have scrimmages and fitness underway sometime in Nov.
Rush was building his house and doing u20. Far more important than the chargers.
What has the average wage got to doing with anything? He is the highest paid coach in chargers history + a car.
In game 2 he accused the players of being unfit ffs. One player said, well if we had a decent presesaon we may not be. I guess you either didn't know that or conveniently forgot that.
Tunks is far from performing one import sacked and little contribution from the bench. All Rush's selection. No board interference in selection and he asked for and got more money.
Guess you have selective memory.
Any ideas on why Mt Gambier Vs Frankston is down as a draw on the SEABL ladder???
Mt Gambier smashed them on the box score.
Ballarat sack Kodi Augustus? What a joke. Was a great performer for the team.
Happy Days
Years ago
Resad the press release.Obvious there were some significant issues off the court.Interesting that Ken Horten is now available which may of escalated his excit out the door.
Horton going back there would make them extremely tough now booker is really hiring his stride!!
Always interesting when a player goes for off court issues...Surprised the last remaining hobart import last year managed to escape the season without being let go for similar reasons
You just don't sack somebody playing well on court for no reason- there was obviously issues- On a positive note- I cant remember the last time a player hit 7out of 7 3pointers in the last quarter of a match like Booker did against Thunder- he hit a 3 on the buzzer last year to beat to win by a point. Its taken a while for him to get back to 100% after his injury- If speculation is right and Horton returns to Ballarat- Booker and Horton were the best imports last year- Booker points until injury and Horton on the boards, should be good to watch.
Choppy Galopy
Years ago
Horton in that side makes them very interesting. Rebounds, runs the floor and shoots a nice 3 ball himself.
Mark banovic. 2008 to single handely beat geelong in a semi I think.
Yep, Banovic hit 8 3-pointers in his 29 point final quarter in the 2008 prelim. Can't recall whether it was 8 from 8 but I don't remember him missing!
Charon65
Years ago
heard a few NBL teams looking at Bennerman. Its sad that after just 4 games you release a player of his stature.
Bennerman was the only player working with the footie club for extra conditioning and things because the club was getting the team what they needed. He was encouraging other players from the team to join as well. I used to always see him in the gym and talking with guys. Maybe im beating a dead horse but as a country we have to recognize the ones who are really making a difference even though they may have a bad game or 2. No Rush is trying to go behind Bennermans back to use those same resources.
ive also heard about Ben Rush living with the players as well. Staying up late waiting to see what time guys get home from being out like they are kids. I was told it wad extremely strange having him in there. There was also no preseason at all. Im just a bit pissed that an import of Bennermans resume had to be the sacrificial lamb for Hobarts ignorance.
from what i understand Rush did not even want Hunt.he did not think he was good enough for seabl and Bennerman had to convince him.
there seems to be a lot to thank Bennerman for down there in Tasmania. stubbornness gets you nowhere fast.
Spot on. Glad someone else knows the truth. Don't believe Rush's sock puppets here.
So he works out with a footy club to get conditioning for playing basketball, sounds like he is looking for a new career. there is a lot of money in football
They've been better since he left.
Maybe it was the right call???
I agree if he is staying players that's awkward. Surely someone else in the club/ community could put him up?
They've won games without him - not sure what the big deal is. Seems like they removed the problem and everyone has moved on except for a few bitter people who want to continually vent on here.
Green46
Years ago
After a 0-4 start hard to say.
Bennerman will be fine. Chargers will be the Chargers.
Bennerman was hardly training with footballers...using the football clubs gym facilities which is happened to be shared by a local strength and conditioning coach...
I have found it interesting that Cam decided to stick around in hobart. So he must have a few options open to him. Can't imagine he is just enjoying the scenery.
Hogwash25
Years ago
Apparently released on the weekend that Jess May has also been cut from the Ballarat Rush team. That marks two players in a week.
Bennernan loves hobart and is exploring his options.
Is that a fact or just rumour Hogwash?..any official media release?
http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/3129838/basketball-rush-cuts-jess-may-mid-season/?cs=63
Hardly a surprise, numbers looked awful and she looked disinterested.
Funny how the 2 highest paid players have been cut or am I reading to much into it ?
How is Jess May a highest paid player ? she is Cheryl Chamber's luggage at Melbourne, hardly getting any court time.
Anonymous
Years ago
Highly paid players are expected to perform on the court, and I wouldn't say that what Jess May was doing on court for them performing. But article makes it seem like it wasn't just on court, seems like off court issues included.
Off court was probably never showing up to do anything, seems like she's still too caught up hanging out at Knox.
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/chargers-import-kyle-hunt-heads-back-to-us/story-fnj4f7g3-1227393408441
wow. hobart are lost :/
Spend more money sack an import and another walks out. Must be coincidence.
"But he's a great coach I hear"
I guess Rush will have more room with his boy Tunks now.
Siska44
Years ago
What a great loss for the Chargers and Tasmanian basketball. A pleasure to see Kyle Hunt on the court. Is it any wonder he is leaving - nothing but turbulence since arriving in Hobart and he still gave it everything each and every time on the court. Very challenging circumstances for any player - a valuable lesson for everybody directly involved with any sporting club and those on the periphery. It takes a lot more than simply throwing a group of talented players together - the very best results will come from a supportive and united environment and from one on the sideline, everybody involved has failed miserably. All the very best Kyle - we were lucky to have you and a big thank you for your valuable and inspiring contribution.
Absolute commiseration to Kylie hunt for coming all the way to Tasmania as a proven champion basketball player from America and to be treated so badly on and off the court in such a toxic environment. . Without doubt the best player the Chargers had . Gave one hundred percent on the court . And an absolute gentleman off the court. SHAME SHAME to all concerned. No doubt you will return to a brilliant career back in New York.
Green46
Years ago
It was HUGE mistake Bennerman and Hunt going to the Chargers. From what I understand Hunt came bc of Bennerman. Bennerman left, Hunt leaves.
Clearly Ben Rush is a negative. No one seems to be able to get along with the guy but robots.
I hope the Chargers are happy now with no more Americans to place the blame on.
I saw Bennerman yesterday. He is still here.
Hogwash25
Years ago
yea i heard there's a few seabl/ NBL teams considering Bennerman, should be interesting.
sad news about Hunt.
feels like he just gave up.
the Chargers organization seems to trust a rookie coach more than the players. bad bad bad.
Jeff
Years ago
What is this talk about Hunt being successful and proven in America? He bounced around low level universities and then had a very brief time doing nothing with a minor league NBA team and then played in illustrious places like Uruguay
^^^ if that's the case and how you chose to look at it..he sure made a fool of plenty of the "proven" seabl big men over the course of his stay..
Speaking of low level. Look at Rush,s CV for a lesson in mediocrity.
I would rather be fringe NBA than have a coaching CV like that. Do you play SBL anonymous? Is that the limit to your basketball credentials?
Just another Rush putz yes man.
He has single handedly destoyed a once grat club. He will come back caliming a massive achievment and spuiking we all got the job done and we are as good as the sydney swans (cough, cough) again.when they beat the CoE kids.
Wow.
Grow up moron. Don't waste your time typing with one hand in your dark bedroom. Tell him to his face if you feel so hard done by. Won't do any good sooking on here. The Chargers slide from 'greatness' started years ago not with the arrival of Rush.
I have told him to his face. He simply cant cope with the truth. He knows it and rest assured the board knows it. He has a 1 year contract. Simple. Readvertise the position and lets see if he gets it. He's a prat and ocd. I don't hide behind a keyboard. I will tell him agsin if he's here at seasons end. The sock puppets here are the only ones in town that like him.
Ffs he comes from Launceston. Nuff said.
That must be the problem, he comes from Launceston! Nothing to do with the board that appointed him or presided over the years of decline.
Assist149
Years ago
Rush has a 2 year deal!
Rush has nothing to do with the SBL and most of the Chargers players do NOT dominate SBL!
Well one year to go of the dictatorship the. Lets see if it lasts and how much off court support he gets between now and next season then. He is lucky to have the gig now. Long way to go before seasons end. He loves sycophants.
Watched Dane vs F'Ston women and saw Larissa still coaching the SEABL team. Thought she might have handed the reigns over to concentrate on WNBL.
It was a cracking game of womens' basketball by the way.
Frankston Blues on fire 1-11.They can thank the board and CEO for the second rate roster.Pay peanuts you get monkeys!!!
I was expecting some positive posts about Hobart's weekend. On the road shorthanded and come back 2-0. Not a bad result.
F'ston women also the only team in the comp with zero restricted players.
Why would Larrissa hand over the reins right now WNBL hasn't started plus half her team will be in her wnbl team anyway !!!
hobarts efforts on the road were impressive..
interesting to see if they sign a replacement for kyle hunt prior to the albury wodonga/deba's return to hobart friday night..
what would be more interesting is if the real reason for kyle hunt departure became public..
Jason S
Years ago
To the goose who is anonymous - if you tell Rush to his face then you don't have a problem signing up to be a member and using your real name?
I have played for Rush and it wasn't the easiest. Plus I know the chargers very very well. I was involved in the Launceston tiger back in the day and very close friends with some of the current Hobart players as well as past player.
So lets get to the point - Rush is trying to coach like its a junior team in seniors..... right? Really that’s the point, but what is he working with - who cares where he lives. I coached in Perth and I travelled to Bunbury for training 2 hours each way, they didn’t care. So why should you? That’s right Hobart people have a complex about people in Launceston, I only lived in Tassie for 5 years and I saw that.
Ok he hasn't learnt how to talk to adults well enough, so i personally think they need the right assistant for Ben (maybe Chris Symons needs to be his assistant. Chris has the personality traits that is Ben's short fall. )
There is no doubt Ben can coach, he is great with X's and O's but there is a problem with his communication.
As for the 2 imports that aren't there anymore, why aren't they there? have any of you talked to them? or are you bashing for no other reason? that’s right you hide behind Anonymous input.
Hobart has been falling since the retirements of there senior players a few years ago, the worst thing they ever did was let Chuck and Polk go as they were strong people in there locker room for the young guys to use as support (watch how some anonymous person will bash this comment with no real knowledge).
Management and expectation on the team are 2 major issues Hobart has – good luck fixing those
unfortunately based on this article i dont think chris would be interested nor would the club welcome him back. strong words were said
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/former-assistant-coach-chris-symons-savages-chargers-culture/story-fnj92b0f-1226994186103
instead they carry an inexperienced playing assistant coach..to be named on the team sheet but not suit up..
I know the team and I spoke to hunt the othet day as he us a friend. Why would I join the membership base when Rush is a cancer. Ask the players you know them. Mentioning Long in 5ge same sentence as Polk is a joke. Clearly you know nothing about why Long moved on.Do some research mate and find out the real reason why Long was CUT. Polk took a large payrise and went to Frankston. How do I know? He told me.
The assistant is a playing asst coach because Rush indeed needs assistance. Rush needs a yes man at his back. Nathan seems like a nice guy but as a player on the roster he is taking a spot from someone else.
I know far more about the club than you will ever know.
Rush tried to secure Symons as an assistant and after his outburst in the press, Rush was told NO to Symons. Being involved with the Tigers upteen years ago has exactly what to do with anything? They left a decade ago?
you agree with me on the communication area, you admit he's a difficult coach to play under and you agree about the not coaching adults.
The point of the Launceston thing is that 5 he is never availabke locally. Hell he didn't even have the gonads to sack Bennerman face to face. Because he wad unavailable. Pre season essentially none and then he accuses the players of being unfit. If you really are a coach all these pointers should be sending off alarm bells.
You really don't know that much at all.
Stop typing 'sock puppet' boy. It has taken years for Tasmania to convince the North Islanders that we are not inbred uneducated rednecks now you have ruined all that good work.
My job here is complete. Mission accomplished. Please stay in the north. They deserve you.
Hogwash25
Years ago
from what i was told Bennerman was responsible for bringing Hunt to the Chargers in the first place. Bennerman was a big brother to those guys to a degree.
Once Bennerman left, Hunt left.
They are a great team played together before. Someone ( not Rush ) scouted them as a team.
Bennerman is loving Hobart and has a lovely girlfriend now. If as you suggest he left because Bennerman got the sack, that would be wrong seeing as Cameron is still in Hobart. Sure they are tight and still are. Hunt has returned to the US. Shame that Rush has caused this to happen.
Anonymous
Years ago
Gee, Frankstons SEABL program is in better shape since they sacked Runchey!! Jolly good times down there.
Any news of a possible Kyle hunt replacement at hobart?
Congrats to the chargers great weekend great team effort.
How about them Pioneers? Looking positive from Blue Lake City. Coach Hill has got everyone doing their jobs like usual and their record of 10-2 and a 7 game winning streak speaks volumes of the team.
Great test against the Supercats on Saturday night and the Miners on Sunday this upcoming weekend.
Frankston on fire 1-11.CEO delivering on his vision!!!Totally butchered the program.
would be great to have some posts about something other than hobart!
I agree the Pioneers are flying at the moment.
Huge test this weekend against Geelong and Ballarat both on the road.
Get two more away wins this weekend and surely they have to be clear favourites for the title?
thoughts?
Still no replacement named for Kyle Hunt? Last statement I saw from Rush he was confident he'd have a replacement for tomorrow nights game against Albury?
They just win give up the trolling...maybe they feel like they can't get the right import in so just putting faith in his team to get the job done!
Cant get the right import?. A lot of time was invested in getting those 2. The chargers vaded thrir team around them Rush even expectef to use hunt at the 3 point line!!!
Cant get 2 chances. This late in the season.
President personally involved in selecying rush. Bennerman and hunt.
You figure it out.
Noticed on the box scores tonight Rangers lost again at home. Montreal really struggling to make a shot past month or so really poor FG%, no Chuck long and second game Chris Patton hasnt hit the scoresheet.
Do they have injuries? Lucas Walker has been a great signing for them and for such a talented squad, maybe some troubles inside the camp.
I would be tipping Tom Daly if true. Outside of McDonald clearly the best pg in the competition.
Wearne went to College
Chuck in the USA
Patton has "quit"
Why did seabl let BA take over- the web site in a mess - old news paper articles, no previews, it only took them 9 rounds to stuff up a very professionally run site, no pregame interviews or previews- no wonder they have trouble attracting corporate dollars. If I ran my business like they do- the for sale sign would be out front.
Happy Days
Years ago
Its been disappointing this year.Definately dropped off in coverage.BA does it again....
I've been told that @ Rangers Chuck has gone to a family wedding, Patton out injured (season), Wearne off to College and Harms light duties.
Still no excuse with such a poor win/loss record and stacked team.
That's what happens when you sign part time playing & Training group.
Always going to implode with want to be ego fuelled roster.
tonight we learnt that shane harris tunks is actually a sack of potatoes!
for someone that is often one of the tallest on the court with the biggest arm span he is rubbish offensively.
while he took a decent number of rebounds defensively, i lost count of how many times he also fucked up a play, knocked the ball to the opposition or just fumbled the ball out of play.
What was their last winning margin vs albury? Lots I think.
Discovering tunks is a sack of potatoes just now. Everyone knew that after game 2 I reckon.
Strange that Rush is trying to recruit another big aussie. Not sure who he will get but he's missed the boat with a great guy. Ma6be he doednt have the contacts. Ballinger has signed with the Spectres.
Anyone got the chargers score after half time? The stats seemed to stop with Hobart in the 50s?
Live stats had the full scores. Chargers won the first quarter only.
Shane McDonald signs with the Breakers.
HO
Years ago
"Why did seabl let BA take over- the web site in a mess - old news paper articles, no previews, it only took them 9 rounds to stuff up a very professionally run site, no pregame interviews or previews- no wonder they have trouble attracting corporate dollars. If I ran my business like they do- the for sale sign would be out front."
I agree and disagree. Without doing any analysis there is arguably more content than in previous years, particularly with Roy Ward's stuff. The video shows have disappeared, but I did once describe them as life-threateningly dull here.
The confusion for me is where SEABL now sits, with content across both BA and SEABL sites... its a strange lack of focus.
financial stability moving forward... haven't had a major sponsor in a couple of years.
Rsts deserting the ship. Quinn the only onlynone left. Still a great asset to BA.
I don't like clicking on a link at the seabl site and being sent to the BA site.
Happy Days
Years ago
Frankston lost again. 1-12 Feel sorry for the coach.
Are Sandringham Women that bad? Lost by 20 tonight to Ballarat.
Happy Days
Years ago
Gaff not doing much for Geelong?Might be last season.
Gaff isn't always on score board but on D he protects the rim really well.
Anonymous
Years ago
Another 2 losses for Frankston men! What the hell is going on down there? They used to make finals every year.
Hobart sign Anthony Freeman jnr for the remaining seabl season.
Now now...Zac White looked good...just thrown in the deep end at the wrong end of the season and unfortunately had injury niggles...he still plays in the nwbu with penguin and dominates week in week out dragging the team over the line often enough
Dave
Years ago
Can someone please put a muzzle on the Chargers President.
"Players like Anthony come out late, so they aren't signed by SEABL teams and they work away in a competition like the NWBU for a chance like Anthony’s got here or to earn a spot for the following season"
Don't comment on what you don't know. Anthony was in the state before Bennerman and Hunt.
Therein lies the root of the problem. Money and a dictatorship. That's why Rush will keep his job. Personally selected by him and he is clueless about basketball.
He even put himself on the selection panel.
If they were clever they would have given White another crack. Probably another Radford connection anyway.
Hobart need a media liaison, the less words spoken by Rush and Lance the better
GO THE CHARGERS DON'T EVEN GIVE THE TIME OF DAY TO THE WOULD BE'S THEY NEED TO STICK THEIR HEADS BACK IN THE SAND AND BLOODY LEAVE IT THERE.
Far worse season than last season. Little to no press for starters and a coach who has the personality of a block of wood and a media presence equally as bad.
He's compared the Chargers to the Swans and a shot from White equal to Delly.
Spin it all you want Rush, you simply cant coach at Seabl level. If there was a replacement he would be already gone.
I defy anyone to ask any of the players 'can Rush coach'. I bet the answer will be no. Certainly not at seabl level.
- hobart win
- tommy wright kills it again
- new import fouls out in 13mins
- harris tunks still a spud
Assist149
Years ago
Zac White was played out of position and was cut to save money.
Freeman was far from the worst player on the court.
SEABL is at the worst talent level across the league.
More importantly the crowd has voted with their feet. Possibly the worst crowd Ever. That will be the ultimate test. Chargers rely heavily on their gate. Yet another poor selection from Rush. They are are now in a worse position than last season now. Ultimately it wont be about winning. It will be about bums on seats now. If they get into the finals and fail to secure a home final they will be under the pump.
Assist149
Years ago
Tunks has not produced at any level and I think opposition teams actually target him as the weakest link and he probably has zero confidence.
The crowd have no connection with the men's side like they used to.
When the home side is introduced there is seriously 5-10 people in the stands clapping.
Last night wouldn't have been the worst crowd ever! The worst this season yes!
No double header with the women contributed but still over 800-1000 people.
Trying going to SEABL in most interstate stadiums where 200 spectators is a good result.
Who cares what crowds are in another state. Most teams are non crowd reliant because they have pokies and a large club base behind them or just supported by a large club infrastructure. The Chargers rely very heavily on gate receipts to fund them. A 1/2 full stadium is a terrible result for them. Yes there is no connection with the crowd because a Willie or a Sharky or a Stewie isn't coaching. A local that people know and support. Rush spends no time in the community and little time with players and even less time scrimmaging. He certainly is an expert at drills.
A flawed decision by the selection panel, the President and Board.
Harris Tunks has to be the most frustrating player to watch. He fumbles the ball, gets lost in plays and when he does get the ball he looks like a rabbit in headlights.
Assist149
Years ago
The connection also comes from players that are interactive with young supporters and fans not players that think they are awesome when they have achieved nothing.
It used to be a privilege to suit up for the Chargers as it meant hard work had earned you a spot. Team culture and comradary was still great until the time Polk and Long were released and the gap between club and crowd exploded.
One thing you can't blame Rush for is last year.
Who do you blame for the last two years? The board!
I do agree the men make absolutely no effort and it certainly doesn't help pull crowds.
Look around the court after the women's game Amy, Klara and Kath all make the effort to talk to the younger spectators, pose for photos and what not. Hence its no surprise we see youngsters with banners and the like.
Can't say I've seen any holding any signs relating to the men.
I won't drop names, but it'll be pretty obvious to many. But have witness 2 particular men's players ignore the approach of kids wanting photos prior to games starting on numerous occasions. After a few years in the system ID have thought they would have learnt to appreciate fans.
By all means drop names. They need to be accountable. The culture has changed and yes the old guard has moved on but today's group gave no pride in the club. The senior group were tight and club proud. The current group don't care and all they want after a game is to go out. No passion, no blood and sweat for their club. Having a coach who can't relate to anyone is a terrible problem. Woeful Pr presence and the dame in life.
Additionally the women continue to win. Everyone loves a winner. I am sure that no one was lining up when the women were winless.
Loyalty is a two way street. If the club and supporters don't put it out. Hard to expect it back. When is the last time you saw the give aways the kids used to get on game night? It takes a whole club working together not just the guys on the court. Most of them are only playing for the 6 wedges and 2 partie pies they get after the game. Sacking imports they have just had time to get to know and a local arse rag reporter that puts the most negative slant on everything and publishing, it doesn't help build a positive culture.
Assist149
Years ago
Problem is that 5 players are getting paid decent money to perform!
The Chargers championship teams never received this sort of money!
Loyalty and hard work out the door with old teams, show me the money and no effort from most in the latest!
Rush even asked for more money!
He's getting paid the most a head coach has ever been paid, plus he gets a car.Its laughable.
He is the only paid coach and that was his decision. Given a budget to spend how he pleases.
The car he has like most of the cars provided by the club is just road worthy.
He is not the only paid coach the club has ever had and his salary is substantially mote than those before him.
Can we please change the title of this thread to "Baseless, Constant Hobart Chargers Criticism 2015".
Just to keep the thread title more in line with the content.
FML can someone start a separate Hobart thread to unclog this one?
Strange isn't it that last season when the Chargers were a basketcase no one complained.
New President and Board and look what's transpired.
A forum is s place to post. Tell us your personal seabl stuff by all means. Cant wait.
Predictions for tonight's game? Local derby in tassie! NWT vs Chargers...
I'm tipping 10 points to NWT on the back of another 30 point game by the Jackson, I can't see any of the hobart players closing him down. Tunks is a spud and the other guys too inexperienced playing on a guy of said caliber.
Would love to see Tom Wright continue his good form and throw down another 205+ game however.
Each to their own my bet is on the CHARGERS GO GUYS ONWARDS AND UPWARDS at the right time of the year,,
NO Kyle Clarke will make a difference for the Thunder.
Chargers lose another. You cant score 11 points in the 1st and 21 in the last and expect to win. Bench scores 8. Everyone has always talked about giving the kids the opportunity. Well they have it. Unfortunately with the subbing that Coach Rush has, no one knows what will happen.
Tunks still a bust. The new import at least didn't foul out and managed to score 3 points and 7 rbs in 15 mins. Clearly out of his league.
Thunder 2 points from the bench. But maybe they haven't got back stabbing sooks for supporters to bleet about it. The game was much closer than most would have tipped.
How can the tallest bloke on the court (tunks) come away with the same number of rebounds as a much shorter bench player playing 1/3 of his court time...
Thunder has no need to play the bench when every one else contributes is there. Closer than you think are you serious? With one of the best basketball prospects around (Kyle Clark)away on national duties the Chargers were lucky to get that close.
You also fail to mention that after scoring 19-6 the Chargers lead by 6 and then somehow managed to lose. Take the blinkers off.
Sounds reminiscent of the Nationals where Rush found a way to lost that one too.
Awaiting the late season sacking of the new import and rush to follow him, it must be due..
He has rubbed so many people the wrong way. 2 schools of thought it seems sack him for sure, but if that occurs who will replace him. Certainly his courtside demeanour is terrible and many fans are commenting on that as well. Not a good example for the fans.
Do you all cut yourselves because you like the pain? Get some help. If it is so offensive to you stop paying to watch it.
The pioneers get their 12th straight win. This time in overtime against the Rangers. With Kurt Russell turning back the clock and hitting two huge threes in overtime. The umpiring was appalling, it affected both teams. It had a greater impact on the pioneers with foul trouble early to the two imports. Daly was great. Keep the pioneers in the game during the first three quarters and came up big in the final minutes. Walker needs to stop flopping.
I love the Rush supporters. You challenge them with the facts and all they can do is have some lame retort.
It's sad to report on the near demise of the Chargers. Last weeks crowd was estimated at just over 100. Worst crowd ever.
A big upset. Frankston getting over nunawading, they should be killing it but aren't! Also Hobart over Ballarat!
If Wright has a good game there is every chance Hobart will win. Provided someone else does as well.
Wright has had a pretty big past month or so now...single handedly dragging hobart over the line on occasions...
Nuna missing conn and graham will always make them vulnerable. Good win by Frankston thou and good crowd support for a team that's been struggling
Wasn't aware graham was out, because of the problem of not being able to see the box score for away teams on a device! conn has effectively been replaced for now by Ballinger, not sure how it will work when he returns.
Think Balls is still fitting in and finding his feet, he looked a little rusty Saturday but you can see he'll be great once he gets a few more games under his belt.
Conn's loss is huge cause you can't replace the understanding him and MacDonald have in the Onballs.
Not sure how it will work when they get Conn back but not sure how long Graham's out for either, if he plays they prob get over Frankston.
Hey guys,
Rather than start a new thread can someone explain the player rankings for me. The A,B & C rankings should IMO be located on the SEABL website for all to see but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
I'd like to know what each ranking means, how many of each ranking are allowed and in what variations. If this info is explained somewhere online, please point me in that direction.
Thanks in advance!
In SEABL there are 3 classifications of a restricted player.
Each SEABL team can only have a maximum combination of three A, B or C restricted players - and no more than two A or B restricted players.
An A restricted player is any non-Australian required to hold a Foreign Players License.
A B restricted is any player who averages more than 18? minutes per game in the previous NBL/WNBL season before the January deadline or a Boomer/Opal, or played professionally in another League.
A C restricted player more than 12 mins NBL/WNBL.
As it says, only 2 fully restricted players per team and a C restricted player.
You can have:
A + A + C
A + B + C
A + C + C
B + B + C
B + C + C
C + C + C
It's certainly been done here before. Not sure where sorry.
Actually 1 more question.....What is the player is home grown talent?
For example,
A home grown junior playing 12 plus minutes in NBL/WNBL - Would they still be a "C"?
A home grown Junior playing 18 plus minutes in NBL/WNBL - Would they still be a "B"?
Can anyone explain to me how Bendigo are able to sign Elyse Penaluna after the entire first half of the season is done. Will Penaluna be finals-eligible? It would be an absolute JOKE if she was able to play finals for bendigo..
She is available and will play finals. Bendigo's cut of for eligibility was last weekend as they had only played 12 games. AW has until this weekend.
Well done HOBART CHARGERS GREAT WEEKEND AND MORE TO COME IT'S BETTER TO GAIN FORM LATER IN THE. SEASON ESPECIALLY AFTER HAVING TO PUT UP WITH SO MUCH TOXIC PUBLICITY KEEP IT UP GUYS
Well done HOBART CHARGERS GREAT WEEKEND AND MORE TO COME IT'S BETTER TO GAIN FORM LATER IN THE. SEASON ESPECIALLY AFTER HAVING TO PUT UP WITH SO MUCH TOXIC PUBLICITY KEEP IT UP GUYS
Toxic publicity where? There has been little publicity anywhere. No even a mention in the local paper after their choke / loss on Friday night.
Unfortunately beating bottom placed team Canberra is nor really an achievement. Now they play bottom placed Frankston. Clearly peaking.
Ha ha. Good one 'Capital Man' you managed to coax 'Sock Puppet Boy' out of hiding. Should have done the rest of us a favour though and not bothered.
It's a forum idiot. You have your opinion many others have mine.
Penaluna situation is a disgrace. How can the clubs stand for this - they support the COE by allowing them to play and then when they've had their fun stuffing up the comp the players can sign with another club. Absolute joke.
Penaluna situation is a disgrace. How can the clubs stand for this - they support the COE by allowing them to play and then when they've had their fun stuffing up the comp the players can sign with another club. Absolute joke.
TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS - WHAT AN ABSOLUTE FARCE !!
COE played BENDIGO Sunday week ago. Fortunately COE won, how would that look if the result was the other way and 24 hours later Penaluna joins Bendigo.
Toxicity whether on a forum in a magazine or a newspaper is the same right idiot
The Chargers have never been in such turmoil. Were you at the game when there was less than 150 people there? Please tell me I am making that up.
spurs 16
Years ago
If anyone gets a chance the new thunder import (jackson)is one of the best i have seen for a while
This weeks road trip will be a good test
Chargers in much less turmoil than same time last year. But you must not let the truth get in the way of a good story. Don't know where you get 150 from for the crowd the other week, crowd was way down but 300 - 350 would be closer to the mark. Last week would have bee closer to 1000. Not bad for seabl games. Not a huge fan of the current coach but to constantly peddle doom and gloom on here it just pointless trolling.
The club has struggled from the time they moved Dan Krebs out of the men's coaching gig. They simply will never have the cash to attract the personnel to instantly compete and struggle to find local talent.
If we don't support them they will go the way of all of the other upper tier teams in Tasmanian basketball history.
Wow don't tell Stewie about him being a failure then and all the finals they were in after 2008.The new President is investing a lot of his cash into the club and Rush got an increase in his player budget so lets not let that fact get in the way of the truth either. I understand that the official count was 125. Of course you are going to get a good crowd for the local derby. Its a shame that they choked. That home W will be critical again to the remainder of the seasons home crowds as well.
The local talent is simply not up to it agreed. yet Rush persists with his stupid rotations.
Right now if there was a replacement he would be gone. If there is no replacement at seasons end he will continue on.
GO THE CHARGERS YOU CAN DO IT AGAIN ANY WIN IS A GOOD WIN IN MY BOOK IGNORE THE KNOCKERS BEST THEY STAY AWAY FROM THE GAME ALTOGETHER.
Good on ya mate. Great to see the Chargers playing another bottom of the ladder side. Clearly its important to you. You obviously forget that when White put up a last minute shot (that we equally to a Dellie shot according to Rush) they would have lost. Obviously that doesn't matter eh.
Lets see how they go against the Spectres minus Conn.
Anonz
Years ago
Spectres will walk all over the Chargers.
Ballinger fitting in well with Macca, and the young kids are starting to hit their straps.
Struggle street for the Specs last weekend. Balls still fitting in and a few absentees for the Specs meant a loss to Franga on the bottom. Chargers winning by 11 is unconvincing. Franga scoring 8 in the first is game over. Both teams won 2 quarters each and the Chargers should have won far easier.
Braves lose. Thunder for 2nd it seems once the CoE crap is over.
FalconsTV
Years ago
I believe that the SEABL double header from Hobart will be livestreamed this Friday. The stream will be available on different sites but you will be able to pick it up here: www.dufftv.com.au
CONGRATULATIONS KEVIN WHITE YES FROM THE CHARGERS A WELL DESERVED RESULT . . WHERE ARE ALL THE KNOCKERS NOW
Lol, I like the way Kevin White plays..but really...an NBL player playing in seabl resigning to another NBL...it's expected hardly an achievement?
Don't patronize me just keep taking those tablets which apparently are not working. GOODLUCK TONIGHT CHARGERS GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT THATs ALL ANYONE CAN ASK FOR.
^^^ definitely requires tablets to sort out that mental issue
Yours sincerely "a chargers supporter"
REALLY YOU COULD HAVE FOOLED ME LOVE OUR LITTLE CHATS
Soo chargers spectator numbers are down, so they decide to stream the game instead...well done chargers, saved me some coin...I'll sit at home and enjoy instead...
Not a chargers supporter but good on them streaming the game, good promotion
Stream was one of the better online broadcasts I've seen recently..thumbs up to hobart for that one!!
Tunks on the other hand shouldnt even be playing local basketball, time to give it up mate..once again a rabbit stunned by headlights whenever he recieved the ball..as for the incident, just a dirty low act by him..no place for it!
How many tech fouls has the head coach had this season? Another one last night.
No livestats for Thunder game. Braves 22 - Thunder 4 min minutes to go in the first.
What was the incident with Harris Tunks I missed it.
Livestats now working. Braves 50 - NWT 49 7:13 left in the 3rd.
Bennerman is playing for the Brisbane Spartans.
buckets
Years ago
Just reported on the local Tasmanian news... Shane Harris Tunks suspended 3 game by the Hobart Chargers board for the incident on Friday night. Big blow for the Chargers with a big game against Mt. Gambier coming up on friday night.
I am sure they will miss his contribution from the spud. It's a shame that the refs who ejected him didn't report the incident.
Exactly right he will be missed. Everyone has a breaking point and with taking so much crap on this forum I dont know how he lasted as long as he did, Shane is a really lovely young man.
Undoubtedly he is, but look at the vision of why he was suspended. Dragging a player to the floor and then kicking him is not required in basketball or any other sport.
If he is reading this forum he would have exploded about 4 months ago based on your comments.
What a joke Seabl is, somebody kicked on the floor and the refs did not report him.
Excuse me wrong again mate I have never made a comment on Shane Harris Tunks until 22/7/2015 get your facts straight or keep them to yourself
Sooo a player kicked whilst he is on the ground leading to an all in blue and the BA lead SEABL says nothing to see here, no reports no nothing, serious enough though for his club to suspend him for 3 weeks.
Sorely missed?!? I don't see hobart missing his 4 fouls, 20% shooting and handful of rebounds despite often being the tallest player on the court. Might be a lovey guy, but can't play bball
Unfortunately with a very senior SEABL Vic ref in charge, other that a DQ foul no report was made.
All refs are equally culpable for their failure to report SHT.
With a 3 game suspension for SHT, he might as well go home.
HOW ABOUT DEM MIGHTY CHARGRES SCORING 51 POINTS IN A GAME. fINALS HERE WE CUM BABY
OF course tunks was as the game because SEABL is very much lacking with its responsibilities. Kicking a player and nothing ? WTF
Adam Smith summed it up perfectly. Insipid.
Last week despite getting a a flogging from the Braves Rush was touting that the Chargers were capable of breaking the Pioneers streak. Not sure what planet he is on. He has always been on about their excellent defence. More rubbish. He is successfully doing more to drag the club into an abyss from which they will be lucky to ever recover. Fortunately the Womem are keeping the program together.
The Pioneers train rolls on with the Thunder losing in O/T 86 - 83.
Next weeks reverse game should be great.
So Tunks spent his first game suspended drinking beer in a sponsors box!!
Good punishment!!!
Yes what a joke they are now. Where are all the Rush supporters now?
Living their life. You should try it some time.
Yet you still post here.
I have a fantastic life and unfortunately can't sit idly by and tolerate what has happened to this once great club.
You clearly don't know anything about the club and if you pretend you do you are indeed part of the problem.
51 points would be an all club low. Embarrassingly so.
Rush craps on about excellent defence. It's crap and the worst part of it is that there offence is far worse.
Rush this season has talked about the club being like the Sydney Swans, White's shooting like Delladova and last week stating they were capable of breaking the Pioneers streak. There isn't even any smoke and mirrors just bullshit that has been found out.
That's great that you have wonderful life,shame about trying to destroy so many others trying to work their way up to having one .
Isaac, any chance this thread can be renamed? Some of us are over the constant attacks on the chargers and rush and then the defending of the same. Can we have a new SEABL thread that is actually about the competition itself and all the teams involved as opposed to just 1?
Try posting your clubs seabl 2015 thoughts here then eh.
Destroying ".. so many others trying to work their way up to having one". Rush won't be back next season. So who else?
OK so moving on. Supercats , Leon needs to do something, bigs not doing their job and Medved away on holidays. Come on Geelong lets get it togethet.
A 2 point loss under the circumstances isn't that bad?
Has any other team dominated a seabl regular season in the manner the pioneers have so far. I mean they are 7 games clear at the top of their conference! They are on a ridiculous winning streak, anyone no what the all time mark is? Considering they won there last 10 games last year they have won 28 of their last 30! They only lost 4 games for the entire season last year and they on tack to beat that mark. I haven't followed seabl for long so don't know the history of the league, anyone know what the best all time mark is? Lastly their record at home over the last few years is also impressive they were undefeated at home last year and have dropped just one this year. I think they had a very good home run to finish in 2013 too they must be close to having lost just once in about 40 home games! Would love done info from longtime seabl followers!
It has to be close to some sort of record. One would think they wouldn't have to travel until the Big One back in Melbourne at Dandenong.
Who from the other conference can go with them?
Dandenong? Geelong? Nunawading? Albury?
Pioneers finish the season with a Albury/nunawading road double. That will be tough! Might put an end to the streak?
They are certainly on a streak, having home finals should pretty much secure the
A GF berth! Only dangers I see are All in the other conference.
4 games to go for the Chargers and now that Callum Barker has finally left and Tunks on the sidelines for the remaining season who will replace them both?
No other bigs on the horizon that's for sure.
Do you know what taking means in sport? Clearly not.
Barker was always going to college in late July and Tunks is a frustrated basketball player who did probably the dumbest thing I have ever seen in any basketball game. From his point of view he won. He should have been reported, He's now got another 3 weeks here and doesn't have to play. Seasons over.
Rush has successfully overseen spending the highest budget of the Chargers history, been the most Tech fouled Coach in Chargers history, and been the first ejected Head Coach in Chargers history. Not only that because Rush was so greedy he took a lot of that player spend for himself.
Demoralising the players and successfully dragging the Chargers to their 2nd worst performance ever.
Great season eh.
Stick to kids Ben when they wont answer back.
You also need a personality that is affable and media savvy. None of them are applicable either.
This was an annus horribilis season and the President and the selection panel should hang their heads in shame.
Let all the Rush family please explain why I am wrong.
Assist149
Years ago
Yes I do know what tanking means!
In this case when a club is losing money if they were to slip into the top four and finish third or fourth it would mean a road trip. That means spending money they don't have and have run out of places to borrow.
They never knew for sure when Barker was leaving and originally he was not a required player. Then to top it off Rush tried to talk him out of going to the states to instead stay with the Chargers.
spurs 16
Years ago
Great game at the thunderdome saturday night
Mt gambier amazing defence last quarter and ot
Have they the best 2 imports in the seabl
My opinion is yes from what ive seen
Dj great d does it all and big tyronne solid all round
Daley was super saturday night and they seem to have a great coach/program
The place was packed saturday nightand loud got there 20 minutes before the game and was lucky to get a seat
Lucky we have a entertaning team to watch unlike hobart who are lucky to score 50 at 30% boring rubbish
The finals thing is always a dilemma and taking is the wrong word. The Ladies are supporting the full program now and they have home final/s.
It was never a problem when in 2008 finals when the Men were on the road forever. Times have changed.
Tanking requires gaining an advantage. The Men despite all of Rush's verbage were never finals material. You should know that.
Rush is that much of an idiot that trying to talk Barker out of going to college proves how much of a lunatic he is.
Barker has gone backwards since playing under Rush and I am sure he cant wait to get away from him.
let's address all the other issues where I am wrong.
Assist149
Years ago
The board is tanking not Rush.
The three referees didn't think the Tunks incident was reportable and the SEABL weren't going to do anything but the board suspends him for three games ensuring it isn't blatantly obvious by letting him come back for the last game.
They didn't sack him as they have looked like the biggest mess over the last 18 months possible and the fan base has voted with their feet like last week when a lot of the crowd left after the women's game.
Let's see how much love the women get next year without Scheer.
Anonymous
Years ago
Best run in recent memory was the Braves in 2013 - they reeled off 16 or 17 in a row mid-season.
Had their run stopped by Dandenong, who then proceeded to beat them in the conference final later that year too
Local newspaper yesterday:
Chargers president claims home game attendance isn't due to the poor results the men have had recently but more so do to the uninspiring style of play. suggesting it isn't entertaining to the average person!
He also goes on to suggest that they wish to restructure the team during the off season in hope of returning to the high scoring flamboyant offensive style of play.
Rush really does have him strung up like a puppet
GOOD LUCK TO THE CHARGERS PRESIDENT NEXT YEAR I WOULD START BY TRYING TO BRING BACK KYLE HUNT AND LET HIM PLAY HIS OWN STYLE OF GAME AND GET A NEW COACH THAT NOT ONLY REALIZES HE IS NOT COACHING KIDS BUT SENIORS ALSO NIT FEEDING HUS OWN EGO
Yes and the President continues to mimic Rush's words by saying that we play great defence.
Therein lies the problem. Lance will lose face by removing his hand picked hopeless coach. So it wont happen.
Unless he quits at seasons end for personal reasons.
Pioneers train rolls on with a down to the wire win. Leading by as many as 14 the Thunder scared the Pioneers by outscoring them 27 - 16 in the last. No overtime this weekend but an 83- 80 point win is still enough.
Choppy Galopy
Years ago
Wouldn't mind seeing an elite defender like Johnson from the Pioneers win an MVP.
since when did hobart start scoring 92 in a game?
BJ has been allowed to play. He wont score 21 every game. Wright kept quiet and BJ finally gets a chance to play. Go figure. BJ ain't a game winner every game but he's experienced and capable. The spud is not playing, and surprise surprise they win. Many have said locally they play better without him. BJ goes from 19 min a game and 3ppg to 33 min and 21. Shame Rush hasn't got a clue. Tomorrow will be a good test against the Braves
Let's see how they bounce back against a losing Cobras and with Polk in town for the last home game look out.
Great work chargers very refreshing to see with just a simple change in the right way BINGO
Rush does not have the Chargers using the post player and hasn't all season particularly since hunt left. Evidenced by the number of shots the 4/5s have been able to take a game. Taking Tunks out would not have altered the established game plays. Rush is like most modern Australian coaches, they think the bigs are only on the court to clean up the rebounds from the hail of rank three point shots they are prepared to put up.
Callum Barker going to college. The idiot Rush tried to stop that too. You would be better learning from me. Oh please.
Most modern dat coaches here have absolutely no idea how to play bigs into a game. Sitting and watching spectators who have a better idea walking out in frustration at how badly they coach is laughable at times.
Rush said "It's more about being a basketball side that the community is proud of." Clearly got that wrong.
"I think we have a nice mix,” Wrong again.
Yet again, "He’s more than just a workhorse,” Rush said. "Shane’s a guy who’s going to do some of the dirty jobs so to speak — the screening, rebounding, defending. “He’s also got a great understanding of the game, and his skill level is high for a big guy. Wrong again.
"Tunks said "It would be great to get back to the NBL, but to get there I have to focus on here and do what I need to do for Hobart, and if I do that the rest will take care of itself.” Yes it will.
“I think one of the reasons I got the job is I’ve got the history and have shown my ability to help develop people and players.” Wrong again. Players have gone backwards under the Rush system. Barker, and BJ especially.
No hate just the truth.
Choppy Galopy
Years ago
Anyone watching first half Dandenong v Miners. Booker shootings lights out.
Booker 7 /11 and 5/9 for 21! and the 2nd quarter isn't over yet.
Chargers rack up another 54 point losing game V Braves..
Cobras next weekend. NO Tunks, they are in trouble ;)
Rangers lose at home to Miners. Ouch. Booker obviously caught fire.
Been a pretty disappoining season for Rangers stacking the roster with Chuck Long, Lukas Walker and Chris Patton. Thought with that group they would dominate the league with little trouble.
As the season gets a bit more serious seems as if Mt Gambier are going to be the ones to beat, especially with a home draw. Who will be the other contenders Braves won both on weekend without Grant Johnson, NW Tassie just got piped by Pioneers and got Nunawading easy, Geelong can beat anyone with there best basketball...
Can't wait to see finals unfold.
Why did grant Johnson not play this weekend? Injured?
Thunder have enough to get the Pioneers eventually. If they meet make sure you get there.
Women's conferences look interesting, dandenong in a canter, Launceston keeping finals hopes alive v Bendigo for that last spot with a big win over Nunawading who have only won 1 game in over a month.
Nuna locked in a battle with Brisbane for 3rd, Some critical games over the next 2 weeks.
Dandenong in a canter, what?
Ladder:
Mt Gambier 19 wins
Albury Wodonga 15 wins
Geelong 13 wins
Dandenong 12 wins (same as Bendigo, Tassie and Nunawading).
SEABL women is close and if anyone is going to canter it might be the Mt Gambier girls not the Rangers!
That's men^ my bad, yes Dandenong women look too strong this year, canter indded!
Sorry, yes Women play SEABL too, thought id change things up from the monotonous Hobart rubbish..
You obviously were never here when the Knox 'rubbish' was about.
Big game coming up between Albury and Sandringham in the womens - who do you think can get their 3rd W?
HO
Years ago
#540831
To be fair, some of the Knox rubbish had some basis... the Hobart stuff is different class.
Women's is really tight...Dandy look the class outfit thou. For me Nuna have been really disappointing this year, on paper they are tough so if they get it together they could be a danger just haven't seen it yetto have faith this could happen.
Brisbane women also a danger as match up well with other finals teams.
Nuna are a disappointment, they look like they don't gell or have structure at times and are too perimeter focused. Brisbane are a dark horse in this.
In Nunas defence they lost Cole who really was the catalyst for them as the whole offence etc seemed to revolve around her, they don't look like they have made any adjustments since her injury.
Really wouldn't surprise if Brisbane made a good finals run
Dandenong women have played without a full squad practically every single game due to injuries, national commitments and general family life.
Nuna lost one player!
Didn't dandy do the same thing last year and lost
Nuna lost Cole and replaced her with an even better player.
Can't use that as an excuse.
No excuses just appears since she went down it isn't working, offences are horrible and were centred around her and appears they've made no real adjustments to the changes in personnel.
^ Agree. No adjustments appear to have been made.
It's also dangerous to center your entire offense around 1 player and scoring from the perimeter too.
You need options and balance.
Double overtime win by the Lady Supercats was one hell of a result for them. Do we think this mob may have overachieved this season, if we are saying Nunawading have been a disappointment?
No Blicavs for Geelong though, there's 20 points a game.
They will struggle without her, why wouldn't she play next game?
As a new follower of SEABAL who does everyone think are going to reach the finals
Geelong pips Mt Gambier in Mt Gambier - leading by 11 at the 3/4 time, the Pioneers made a strong charge home, took the lead with just over a minute to go but Geelong got up with late basket to Duck.
Chargers lead by as many as 12 and lost by 10.
Final score Cobras 63 - Chargers 53.
That was an enormous victory for the Supercats Men tonight, well done to everyone, very hard to beat Mt Gambier at home. Confidence is going to mean heaps at finals time.
Not sure my gambier were fair dinkum tonight. Daly didn't play. Burdon didn't play in the last quarter bench guys got some good minutes. They looked disinterested for most of the game. Nothing to gain by winning or going all out. Young point guard who ran the show for them tonight showed some promise.
Guaranteen playoff spot on the line and Rush must think he is still coaching the under 10's. Never seen 4 players subbed at the one time.
Import playing 21 mins is a worry and White 1/7 and 1/5 3pa is a bad night for him.
Polk next weekend will be another test for the Chargers.
"Import playing 21 mins is a worry"
5 fouls might have something to do with that.
claims of tanking to fund te womens finals campaign more realistic as the weeks progresses
Yes 21 mins and 5 fouls is a worry.
The Mercury journo called their effort last night keystone cops.
Nunawading women drop another one, this time to Ballarat, something's not right with this group, on paper a much better team, they will finish bottom 4 and still make finals.
Anyone got an update on the Frankston Vs Bendigo game, no live stat's available.
Frankston Blues @FrankstonBlues 42 minutes ago
GAME OVER: The Blues lose a close game to the @BendigoBraves 78-90
Chargers season over. Spectres lose another.
Canb beat Rangers by 1.
what is going on at frankston, Kate gaze let go why? rob Gaze let go why? mark gaze let go why? hearing rumors for two people just getting rid of people down there, look out senior coaches bet your next on the list..
It's not rumour if it's already happened. It's fact.
WELL HOBART CHARGERS LAST GAME FOR THE SEASON HAVE A GOOD ONE AND ALL THE BEST FOR NEXT SEASON
Dave
Years ago
I hope Steve, I mean Ben has started to think about his entertaining line up for 2016. A return to the glory days would be great.
Will Rush be there next season is the burning question. Many hope not. Unfortunately if he doesn't take up his next season, someone else has to pick up the pieces.
Well if anyone was keen to understanding what was happening in the SEABL in 2015.. They would learn that pretty much everyone hates Ben Rush and Shane Tunks..
I'm starting to realize why Australian basketball is declining.. Had a chance to speak about positive things/ people that were going on in the league. Rally and speak of your favorite teams and players.
Why is no one speaking about the playoffs or the MVP races?
anon
Years ago
No hate for either of above mentioned. Love the competition that has a quality side like Nunawading fighting for a play-off spot in the last round of season. The Hobart stuff is a sad indictment on those that have perpetuated it. There are good/bad players and coaches in all sport. Rest assured most of, if not all, are doing their best and wouldn't be playing/coaching if they were as bad as some posters make them out to be.
Mt Gambier will he back to the big dance for the third straight year and think they will take out the title for back to back championships. Damian Johnson should win the MVP by a mile fills up every stat category and has been first or second in each category for the team in so many games this year, but fear that he doesn't score enough points to win the award because usually it simply awarded to some close to the best average points per game.
What are the thoughts of others???
For the punters out there Sportsbet have been running markets on most games this year, odds don't go up until day of the game and are, on most occasions pretty fair prices available.
I don't think anyone hates Tunks. He simply not very good.
Based on what exactly anon^, your expert opinion?
How is the MVP race decided.. Regular season only or regular season + playoffs..
Mt. Gambier is by far the best team and I think Johnson is a bit too inconsistent and he has a lot of players around him that are playing well. If you take him off the team then they are still a top 2 team in that conference.
Yeap based on my expert opinion.
Do a google search what can you find about seabl in the last year then look at the past years.
I was bored so i did a top 6 MVP analysis LOL
-Roy Booker (Ballarat)- (1) Scoring, (3) Assists, (1) 3-Pointers Made, (1) Turnovers
--- Roy Booker is a scorer! No surprise here. Has basically willed his team back into the playoff hunt and should definitly get a lot of credit for that! Averaging over 5 turnovers a game (113)!!!! and isn't in the top 25 for steals, probably shows he doesn't care much for defense.
-DQ (Dandy)- (2) Scoring, (2) Total FT Made
--- DQ can also score but has also put up a lot of shots to get there. Has shot the ball over 20 times in 10 of his 22 games. Is shooting 29% from the 3 and 43% overall. No question Dandy would struggle without him and probably would be a fringe finals team with another import. (Hard to really say tho)! When he is hot he is pretty unstoppable but he doesn't rebound at a high rate for a guy of his size in this league, not even top 20 (only 7.9)!
-Cory Dixon (Albury)- (3) Scoring, (2) Rebounds, (2) Offensive Rebounds, (4) Blocks, (3) Total FT Made, (4) Turnovers
--- Averaging a double-double (21.2 & 11.2)(14 double doubles) and shooting the ball at 54% (Only player in top 5 scoring shooting over 50%). Albury is #1 in the division for the first time in probably EVER. Before the season started i would have said this was going to be the Deba George show but obviously not the case. Shoots very poorly from FT (62%) but is actually leading the league in the amount of FT attempted by over 20 (100-161). Blocks some shots (32) and is top 15 for steals (26). Averages over 2 turnovers a game.
-Tony Lewis (Bendigo)- (4) Scoring, (1) Rebounds, (1) Offensive Rebounds, (3) Turnovers
--- Reigning MVP and double double machine (19 of 24 games)!! Would have said Tony was a for sure lock to repeat, first half of the season was very strong. Second half was just OK. Last 12 games shot 8-47 from the 3 (17%) but ended the season shooting 33% from 3 and 43% overall. Not great numbers especially from a undersized PF. Rebounded at a high rate all year and won the rebounding crown by a good amount. Only had 3 blocked shots all year but didn't foul much, so he obviously was just keeping his hands up on defense. Lets be honest Bendigo would be a train wreck without him.
-Shane Mcdonald (Nun.)- (1) Assists, (3) FT %
--- Played solid all year and really made his teammates around him better (8 assists a game). Had to deal with injuries and inconsistent play from his team, basically being knocked out of the playoffs really hurt his chances. If Simon Conn doesn't get hurt and he had more consistent play from teammates than Shane is a top choice. Great year though and wish him the best in NZ.
-Damian Johnson (MTG)- (5) Offensive Rebounds, (1) Blocks, (2) Steals
--- Monster defensive season (84 blocks and counting & 53 steals)!! Team finishes first overall and basically owned the league all season. He always filled the stat sheet but only dominated on the defensive end. He was on a team with a lot of talent and wasn't required to score a lot (15.7 points) so he was able to focus more effort into the defensive end. He shot 27% from the 3 and 61% from the free-throw line. My personal opinion is i need more from the offensive end from him to earn MVP. He is NO QUESTION Defensive MVP. It would make a easier case if he is doing these things for a team not as talented. Also if he was in the Top 10 for rebounds (#11) and averaged a higher assist clip (2.4).
My MVP vote- ....... very very close race between Tony Lewis and Cory Dixon!
All those stats are from the SEABL site and the numbers in ( ) are where they rank overall in the entire league! Most of the teams still have a game or two to be played still.
Chargers men get Frankston after trailing by 13 with 1 1/2 minutes to go int third. Frankston men only 3 wins for season. They haven't seemed to recover from the Runchey sacking. Women lose to Frankston in a great contest but vista us 2nd place.
great analogy of the MVP race!
I just think there is to much emphasis placed on stats particularly the offensive ones. It would be great to see a defensive beast win the award. Take Dj out of the pioneers and they would have lost many more games. He willed them over the line and stepped up when needed on offensive end in the stretch, it is not always about how much you score but when you score. He block shot numbers and steals are ridiculous, and when you add to this the number of shots he must of changed or caused turnovers by players second guessing themselves is ridiculous. It is also a good point that he could score far more than he does as could many of his team mates but they all play their role on any given to get the win in my eyes that adds to your value as a player rather than detracts compare this to someone like Booker who appears to be all about him (offensive end) compared to team.
Lady Chargers screwed but inept kids reffing at SEABL level. Pressure was on down the stretch in the last of the final quarter. Someone apparently yelled from the crowd with a technical foul being called on the bench. Nash protested the call and was immediately pinged for walking onto the court as he protested and then ejected. It clearly shows how good communication skills are required as a ref and if the refs listed to Nash and the court captain none of this should have occurred.
Unfortunately the refs who are teenagers have little of those skills and immediately under the pump adopt the these are the rules and we will enforce them to the letter of the law.
No person was singled out as the offender and this is where the letter of the law should not be enforced.
Incompetence at it's greatest resulting in 3 free throws being awarded and 2 free throws for the initial foul. Why 3 free throws were awarded is equally as mystifying.
Let's hope the SEABL investigate this one unlike the Tunks kicking and resultant non interest.
3 free throws awarded bcs it was a shooting foul outside the 3 point line. Then 3 tech fouls. The coach carried on like a moron. Should be more worried about the rebound count 61-28.
Dave
Years ago
Maybe Nash should review his communication style. Lucky for them the Torns lost and they get a home final.
Pretty hard not to be upset at the poor reffing decision that caused the incident in the first place. I am unsure if it was a 3 point attempt or not. 7 shots were awarded in the last 6 seconds.
Scheer fouled Fryters, Chilcott tech. Tech foul on the bench for the crowd incident,(which is clearly wrong) a tech foul for protesting the incorrect call and walking on the court, then Out.
Very poor reffing.
Nash openly admitted in the paper about their pathetic rebounding and never used the excuse for them losing other than playing poorly.
Been complaining about refs for ages, when they could not see a player getting kicked on the ground. which his own club suspended him for 3 weeks is beyond me.
The worst part about that was the fact that 2 very senior refs did nothing other than eject Tunks from the game.
i don't think I've left a hobart game thinking the umpiring was well done..week in, week out they make some shitty calls..it doesn't bother me personally who wins, although it's always good to see hobart get over the line. it's more Friday night entertainment..more often than not it's inconsistent and favouring the away team
I was there the other week and to use the word entertainment is laughable. No crowd interaction with anyone simply because there is no entertainment at all. The Cheerleaders dance and are now being prompted to support the teams which has never been an issue ever. I saw the Lady Chargers team manager begging the cheerleaders to get involved in the game. Such was their disinterest. All of the activities at half time. 1/4 time etc have disappeared. Entertainment only now comes from the laughable subbing and Rush's antics sorry to say.
Plus Nash getting ejected was laughable.
So Hobart finish 1 game out of play offs with that horrible roster and your upset!! Wow!!
Yeah its terrible isn't it. Coached by the James Hird of the SEABL its far more than about losing out on a finals spot by one game.
Rush has no chemistry with the team. Team members have said worst season ever, glad it's over. Alienating fans and crowd support seeing the lowest crowd numbers probably in the whole history of the club. Coaching a very talented Tassie side that he inherited that has been playing together for the last 6 years, doesn't equate to being able to coach adults.
More tech fouls awarded to him that in the whole of the Chargers history and he's that dumb to get ejected in the Kilsyth away game because he is so paranoid about the x's and o's that time ran out.
Poor media skills, poor after game speeches consisting of talking to the ground when speaking.
It will be interesting to see if Mrs Rush wins and Mr Rush stays home next season. My bet is hopefully Mrs Rush wins.
Assist149
Years ago
So the Chargers finish the season 10-14 under their new highly paid coach where last year the team finished 9-17 with 3 coaches and 4 players gone at seasons end.
20% of the crowd left after the women's game finished and another 20% left at half time of the men's game.
Where to now for this once proud club?
Kevin White would be the only starter you would want back 100% and then see if Masunda can help bring his teammates into the game if he stays. Time for Wright and Tunks to go. Wright and Deba feuded on the court all last year seeing who could shoot first and as much as Deba cost the team wins with bad shots he got them over the line a few times, put bums on seats and interacted with the fans.
A couple of good juniors have just returned to Hobart so if they stick around with some solid imports the finals are achievable as SEABL has no real depth across the league with the exception of a couple of teams.
Can we get back to the season?!
Big surprise is Nunawading not making the playoffs.
A roster Hobart and Frankston would kill to have. Shane Mac, Conn, Ballinger, Graham and Hogan as imports. A solid SEABL level bench with O'Hea, Steele, Casperz, Van Rennen. Losing Grand finalists and East Conference Champs in 2014. No action in 2015? What happened to them?
So when did Conn and Ballinger play together? Most know what happened to them. You don't
So who are people tipping for the first round of playoffs? I only follow the mens competition so will only post those games.
Mt Gambier v Bendigo
Pioneers for me. They have been cruising for the last few weeks resting players in preparation, they will be cherry ripe. Tony Lewis was very ordinary last time he played in Mount gambier. Bendigo will need a huge game from him if they are any chance. Pioneers by 10 points.
NW Tasmania v Kilsyth
Kilsyth havent put it together this year. With Narburgs out I think they will struggle down in Tassie. Thunder are a good side and could cause some upsets this post season. Thunder by 10 points.
Albury Wodonga v Geelong
Although Albury have been top for most of the year and at home I think losing their point guard will hinder them. The experience of Geelong I think will get them the win. Geelong by 3 points.
Dandenong v Ballarat
I think Dandenong will win this comfortably. They have found form at the right time of the season with DQ on fire. I dont think Ballarat will have an answer for him. Booker will try and win the game himself which will actually hinder his team. Dandenong easily by 15 Points.
Think nunawading missing is a surprise but you look at stats and they rarely had a full roster and once Conn went down were always gonna struggle & you could tell Balls was lacking game time. Also the import graham went down for a crucial part of the year.
Also they got the import selection of hogan wrong he was terrible, held the ball and one on one stuff all the time he made them look horrible when having to run the point which hurt with McDonald missing games early and have no rest once back.
Every year I reackon 1 team always misses out that on paper should be in playoffs normally its injuries, poor imports or bit of both. That said you'd expect Biwer & nunawading won't take missing playoff lightly so you'd expect some changes as with all rosters that miss playoffs
Graham and Hogan both waste of money and nobody expect them to be back next year. Ballinger looked like he enjoyed playing with the Spectres so could be back next year. With both Conn and Ballinger the team will need to look for a very athletic small forward or they become too slow. More time for the younger players will also strengthen the team overall .
Saw a few games as not sure the young guys are at the level or will ever be. If they make 2/3 keys changes and keep balls they'll be there a abouts pretty quickly
That's the point. Nunawading have depth to cover injuries. Cut the crap their line-up is/was loaded. Other teams don't have that level of depth.
Agreed they have depth but think ppl might overrate a few bench guys whom haven't done a lot, outside of Ohea off the bench what other depth did they have
Looking at the stats Cadperz hasn't played many games in 3 years, Hrounplous hardly plays and games he gets minutes they loose or numbers aren't great, Breda never really plays, Vanreenan appears a defensive guy in limited mins.
Not sure bout the depth when you actually lay it out when you look at Dandy playing 7 deep the with young players performing in SEABL pushing for more minutes & Kilsyth good kids pushing for time, that Pleating kid is case in point
For young players they need to take there chances dandys kids did this year as do NWT kids when they get minutes.
Dave
Years ago
Huge Tas clash in the women's this week. Torns v Chargers in Hobart should fill the stadium. Tip Chargers by 8.
Chargers need the home final to refill the empty coffers.
I'm sorry, but a line-up consisting of:
McDonald
Ballinger
Hogan
Conn
O'Hea
Graham
Steele
Vanrennen
Should 100% be playing in the SEABL post-season. Even with one injury and they have the depth to cover. Canberra, Frankston, Sandringham, don't have that much depth. Even Kilsyth aren't blessed with that much depth. This season is a failure For Nunawading. Simple. Dandenong as they are currently aren't as deep (if they still had Patton, maybe). Yet they made finals.
JMc
Years ago
Agree. Big failure for Nuna. No other way to describeit. Had enough to cover the injuries
Anonz
Years ago
For a club like Nunawading, appearing in the post-season is an expectation, however the club had a really rough time with injuries.
Conn went down with a long-term injury which is when they picked up Ballinger (so he's a late entrant). Took Adam a while to mesh with the system, which is more than I can say for Hogan who didn't ever really mesh. Conn then ripped up his calf muscle, which is a terrible injury for a tall and takes a while to rehab.
Macca remains the best PG in SEABL however the bench, aside from Matt O'Hea, is made up of developing Nunawading ex-Juniors. Steel, Cooke, Hronopoulos, Breda and VanRennen are all still developing, and Jesse Caspersz is still coming back from a horrendous injury.
Don't forget last season the Spectres had Tommy Greer on the Court and a unit of Macca, Ohea, Steel, Greer and Conn is not to be sneezed at. Delwyn Graham isn't a good fit although had some good isolated performances. Aside from Ohea, no real perimeter threat.
Conn was injured again late in the season, as was Ballinger, and Macca was still rehabbing his ankle early in the season, so yes an unfortunate set of circumstances. The young guys are expected to step up next season, and you'll see much more of Jesse Caspersz, Jon Cooke (a 6'9" Centre who's returned from US) Breda and Hronopoulos. There's also a bit of talent in the YLM squad who will transition into the SEABL squad in the next season or two.
So an unfortunate set of circumstances, two injuries to key offensive player, and poor fit with imports Graham and Hogan. All fixable.
Ladies rivalry in Tassie heats up for the intrastate semi. Should be a beauty.
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/rivalry-heats-up-for-seabl-semi-final/story-fnj92b0f-1227488876695
Lady Chargers ready.
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/lady-chargers-ready-for-derby-against-launceston-tornadoes/story-fnj92b0f-1227492258249
Everyone's supposed to wear black.
Dave
Years ago
Torns recruitment met their needs much better than Chargers. No centre was always going to hurt.
Cloud over Nash returning for Hobart Lady Chargers.
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/lady-chargers-coach-cloud/story-fnj92b0f-1227497600975
Moves
Years ago
Rush and Nash won't return. Family reasons has been thrown around for several weeks as the reason. Neither has groomed a successor and there will be another scramble.
Club is planning a major reload if Lance remains as sponsor//president, if. Board to be gutted and attempt repair massive loss with public.
Money will be a major problem - Lance or not. Also don't expect many players to return bar the handful of locals.
Talk that they want Stewart back as their face. Greenwood to footy also hurt.
Stewart isn't interested right now. Rush has another year to go on his contract. Stewart is keen to get back to coaching and said on TV the other night he's interested in 1 -5 years time.
Nash spends 3 -4 days a week working in Melbourne and with a young family and SEABL commitments that's a tough gig.
As he said in the article above players play for the coach and that could be a problem if he doesn't go ahead.
The Lady Chargers were what kept the Chargers alive last season and who knows where they will go without Nash at the helm.
Rush has alienated the general public and there were more people going to the Ladies game than the men's.
Rush has certainly run the players into the ground mentally and I spoke to a player not long ago and the quote was I am certainly this season is over. Would they play under Rush again? I doubt it. The young kids aren't at SEABL level, but who would coach the Men? The only reason Rush was selected was that on paper he was the most qualified.
That means mothing as we all know now he can't coach adults. No chemistry with the team, no passion for the club and the personality of a brick.
The excuse when he quits will be family reasons. Let's hope it happens and heaven help the new coach.
If Lance quits the club they are gone.
Control F - Rush
Occured 156 times... I would have had money on over 300.
Best part about all of this is that there is every chance he will be gone and next season HUSH on RUSH.
Disappointed that it was only mentioned 156 times. Did you look up the word cancer too? Clueless? 4 subs at once? Best defence ever? Ugly basketball?
Dave
Years ago
Only one member (import) joined the Lady Chargers since Nash took over. WNBL contracts to Whisler and Chilcott is the reason they won't return and Nash won't want to coach an uncompetitive team. The club may miss Steves money but he is more unpopular than Rush.
Yes he may be more unpopular than Rush but without his money the club would have folded.
He did sit on the coach selection panel and helped chose Rush. He allowed Rush to take his own salary and car from the budget he was allowed for the players.
No one has ever been paid a lot as Head Coach and many in the past did it for nothing or not much.
Mainly because they loved the club and everyone involved.
In Rush's first and hopefully last foray into the adult world he has dragged the club into an all time low. Last seasons bottom of the ladder performance was a cake walk compared to the my way or the highway coaching.
Lowest ever crowds, no atmosphere and no crowd interest or involvement in their team what so ever.
Poor game presentation, worn out volunteers and a general malaise about the club.
lance got his way with the removal of Davie last season and is now the captain of the Titanic.
First and major problem is the Chargers are now so disconnected from the local basketball community, the trip back may just be to hard.
It comes down to cash and culture in SEABL now.
You can spend s little less in your local players if the culture is good and people want to keep playing, this hopefully allows you to spend on better imports or recruiting missing pieces to fit your roster.
NWT seem to do this quite well as do Albury at time (if they get imports right) it can be tough with imports but often just as tough is culture to get those extra locals.
Hopefully hobartget back on track and the politics doesn't play out in public as it hurts everyone and let's be frank the dudes who tip in will want a say so understand that's how it always works
Finals on in the seabl and all the news articles relate to weeks and weeks ago.
Richard Branson
Years ago
Virgin Mobile Hobart Chargers, it's got a ring!
Thunder are cashed up compared to the Chargers. Always have been. Let's face it in Tas there is never enough local talent anywhere near SEABL level. You have to buy a successful team, the NW Coast and Launceston stick to one team. Hobart will never compete trying to finance a men's and women's team. No home court, no bar no canteen takings. Relying on sponsors means relying on success. Expect a few down years to come I fear.
Same with Frankston. Down years ahead for both programs. Poor leadership.
It's a shame that the Thunder don't have a women's team. Then the pain starts. So when Tall Timbers doesn't contribute where will the Thunder be?
Right now the Chargers would be better leaving the Men behind and go for the WNBL. Yet Nash may not be there so that's another spanner in the works for the crumbling Chargers.
Assist149
Years ago
There is no way Hobart could support a WNBL team financially or with the talent they have.
Hobart have shown that they cannot support 2 SEABL sides. Revenue would have to increase at least ten fold to even consider WNBL level so not realy an option. Need a home court venue and the backing of a whole association like manyof the other SEABL teams.
Chargers will never get the backing of a local association. The crowds have now fallen to an all time low, and the disconnect between the basketball community and the chargers is massive. As an organization, when you set out the disturb the fabric of local competition, I guess where the results are felt are at the door. It's a nasty circle, no door no money, no money no players, no players no results, no results no door. I guess when the president is also the main sponsor you can afford this type situation, in the short term!
Assist149
Years ago
President pulled the Australian imports out of local league as Tunks complained it was too rough. One out all out was the presidents decision.
Oh that's right a few weeks later Tunks pulled a guy down by the neck and kicked him.
No team culture and what history and success the men's program had has been lost because of bad board decisions or cashing the dollar instead of treating people the right way.
Can't afford a WNBL team? You obviously don't know how much money they have wasted this season then.
How much for a WNBL team incidentally?
Talent is a different story of course and they don't have the talent obviously and it will get worse if Nash isn't there next season.
If Rush leaves who will take over? The only reason he got the job in the first place was he was the most credentialed applicant. Just proves that papers and coaching kids, doesn't translate into the ability to relate to men, let alone the ability to coach.
Hopefully we have seen the last of Rush. It will take years to rebuild the damage Rush has done.
Assist149
Years ago
So spending $70-80k for a SEABL team is comparable to a WNBL budget??
For the women only of course. Add the 2 teams together and there is sufficient money. However not the talent in the playing dept nor coaching dept. Don't even start me on the refs nor bench.
Wnbl at least 400k to be competitive/ sustainable
200-250k players
coaches and admin 100-150k
Other buget e.g. entry fee, accom/ food 50-100k
So Assist149 how is your boy Rush going? Will Mrs Rush rule?
If you seriously think that the Chargers don't spend over $200K, then think again.
Rush's player budget was at least $90 - $95K alone. Of course he took his $20 - $25k ;) from the players.
The Chargers are quite capable of affording a WNBL team.
Braves Vs NWT going down to the wire. 71 all with only a few mins to go.
Wowsers. NWT capitulate down the stretch. Losing by 10. 83 - 73.
Currently just b4 1/2 time the Rangers are down by 10 Vs Geelong.
Supercats make it to both finals in their conference, great effort that!
Greenwood' spin on why he let the Cats.
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/hugh-greenwood-rekindles-passion-in-new-code/story-fnj92b0f-1227506103061
No surprise Geelong is there. Didn't both teams make the final last year also?
Bear
Years ago
I would just like to congratulate those eight teams going into conference finals this weekend, SEABL is in a healthy place I feel, we have teams from all over Victoria and on the boarders of S.A and N.S.W.
Shame QLD and TAS dropped out, but to have the spread we have at the end, or near end of the season bodes well for the competition IMHO.
Good luck to Bendigo, Mount Gambier, Geelong, Albury/Wodonga, Dandenong and Kilsyth, we the best teams win.
As long as they are wearing red of course, Go Supercats ...
:)
Bear
Years ago
Oh, for those about to pick me up on my math, HO, the Braves and Supercats have both men and women through, that makes four, cheers!
Dave
Years ago
Rush resigns from his position as Head Coach of the Hobart Chargers. All the knockers will need to find a new target now.
Strange that in the last 17 yrs of the club that there has never been so much angst since Rush's appointment. Hardly co incidental.
The idiots gone. Hopefully there is no chance the Chargers will make the same mistake again.
Despite all the hoo haa about Davie coaching the season before the current President got rid of him. It is the current President that personally participated in Rush's selection and now look at the mess the club is in. It's a far more complicated issue than just a coach who can only coach kids.
He's now got his wish and as BTAS development officer in the North, let's hope he doesn't stuff that up like the Chargers. Hooray and good riddance.
Stewie has already expressed interest in doing it again, so here's hoping.
No hate here at all. Launceston needs to experience the craft and skills that Ben Rush has.
Glad to see he has been promoted based on merit. His short tenure at the Telstra Hobart Chargers was a mere stepping stone to more achievements.
Looks like Mrs Rush won. Family reasons as predicted. Even if he didn't get his new job he wasn't coming back, nor wanted.
I don't think he chargers board would have found any players locally willing to play under him if he came back for a second year...would have been an interesting scenario...
100% spot on. To quote a few playets. Longest and hardest season ever.
More on Rush leaving.
http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/local-sport/hobart-chargers-to-search-for-another-coach-after-ben-rush-resigns/story-fnj92b0f-1227515993829
Dave
Years ago
Apparently Matt Paton is a chance to move to Hobart next year. Could maybe bring a player or two with him.
Hobart need something well before next year. With the Board overlooking Joseph and appointing the cancer in Rush, the President threatening to walk out if Davie wasn't sacked they have minimal people to go to in this time of crisis.
Nash wont do it again so a double dilemma for the Chargers.
Coupled with massive financial losses, the time under Rush was a total disaster in anyway you can think.
Dave
Years ago
Lady Chargers are no more. Well done Nash and Lance.
Guess you are wrong Dave. Amazing the stupidity of posters here. Seriously what idiot thought Rush could coach. Equally what were the Torns thinking.
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