They've certainly done a great job so far... not!

"The SEABL provides a tremendous opportunity for Basketball Australia to work more closely with the SEABL Clubs, many of which have significant numbers of domestic basketballers playing on their home courts each week.

What does this quote actually mean - just seems like fluff.

BA could have worked more closely with those clubs anyway - they are in most cases affiliates of their state bodies.

Why??

HO, do you think it means a chance to work directly with them, not going through the state bodies which in some cases are acting as roadblocks?

AFAIK Paul they can (and do) do that already - through things like Associations hosting international games, hosting Australian Championships etc.

I just think they really had nothing else to say - I cannot see any benefits for BA in running another league like this.

Were there benefits for BA in running the NBL? (Serious question.)

SEABL have been doing a lot of BA work now for some time. WNBL and player clearances. Not sure if anything else.

Whoooo
I thought Basketball Adelaide was taking over!

HO, I was thinking in terms of databases etc.

I am not sure Isaac that there were benefits in running the league, as opposed to benefits in the sport being "together".

I don't think BA ever said "we are better off running the league than you".

I think BA said "the sport is stronger if everyone is in the same tent".

Very surprised by the decision.You would have to think there must of been significant cost benefits for the clubs to vote in favour.BA don't have a very good track record running leagues.

Has anyone in Australia got a better track record of running leagues than BA?

So does this mean we could get a second division for the NBL?

I'm from Perth, and I have never really understood the purpose of the SEABL. I get that its nice to have teams from different states (and in area it potentially covers less our SBL) but to me it seems to operate in competition with the state leagues.
(I don't really know, just saying what it looks like viewed from afar...)
Personally I would prefer to see BA working closely with the NBL AND State leagues.

The biggest problem I see with the SEABL trying to be a "2nd tier" competition, is that it looks like history repeating AGAIN. A Victorian dominated league trying to go "national."

Be interesting to know from a club perspective what BA offered them to transfer across.

Good question Paul, now tell us what you mean by it.

I'm with you HO, Paul please elaborate on your statement?

Happy Days, you make an interesting point earlier.

What is the criteria that determines you are doing a "good job" of running a league like SEABL?

Good get for SEABL. Not so sure about BA. If you believe the stories that they're already stretched, I wonder why they would want to deal with this as well?

Anyone with any Club intel here?

Feel free to get WA in Dazz. SA were in it some years ago and withdrew because of costs. Team costs would go through the roof if WA were in it mate.
Sure its a vic dominated comp but it covers lots of regional Vic, Tassie, SA, Canb and Brissie. Great regional coverage IMO. NSW (4) sides withdrew sometime ago as well.

SEABL have always run a good comp over many years.Where they have lacked is in developing long term corporate partnerships generating additional revenue streams as they have nobody that looks after that aspect of the business.Staff tend to keep a low profile and its pretty much BAU.Theres got to be some cost efficiencies or a kicker to get clubs over the line.What that is not sure...

Harry,

The SEABL championship trophy currently resides in SA!

I'm not b____ing because WA doesn't have a team in the SEABL. If anything, exactly the opposite.
WA somehow manages to support a pretty good SBL, with regional teams that are a real bonus for those cities' fans.
I've just never understood the need for another league to sit between the State Leagues and the NBL.

Nor does it bother me that its dominated by Victorian teams.
My point is simply that any attempt to further expand the SEABL will create a massive s___fight with the state leagues. Furthermore, that successful expansion accompanied by greater revenue and costs will doom many of the Victorian teams.

More than anything, as I said looking on from afar, I just find the whole thing quite puzzling.

Zodiac and cluelss anonymous I said "Sure its a vic dominated comp but it covers lots of regional Vic, Tassie, SA, Canb and Brissie. Great regional coverage IMO."
See the SA bit?

Daz maybe take a moment to consider the quality of the SEABL competition versus other state run competitions. Clubs choose to participate in the SEABL because it provides a higher level of competition than the state completion can provide those athletes. In most cases these club have a development team or a youth team playing in a tiered competition run by the state association (e.g. Big V Youth League - the old SEABL D League).

Harry, think you confused them because the first time you mentioned SA you probably meant Adelaide.

#506955

I would argue that if it did not exist, Victoria would have a state league better than the SEABL.

Its a solid feeder for the NBL, but overrated in this regard, mainly because in the past the AIS was such a significant part of it.

Yes, I thought the same. Eliminate SEABL and wouldn't Big V and Waratah (or whatever the NSW league is) be stronger?

'960, Boti had a brief bit on his site about it. Mostly put Anthony Moore up as the reason for SEABL's faith in BA.

Big V is poor, Waratah generally is poorer sorry to say.
No Seabl means no MtGambier, Canberra and Tassie and Spartans and the list goes on. Did I mention Mt Gambier?
Why would Albury want to play Canberra FFS?

I specifically said Victoria. The others would not improve much, because they would only gain one or teams.

Harry - you some weird stuff that others hack you for unnecessarily but you deserve to be hacked for that one.

No SEABL means Mt Gambier plays CABL, Spartans play QBL, Albury play either Vic or Waratah... it doesn't mean they disappear.

Anthony Moore is now a Boti cult figure Isaac?

#507020

Maybe, or the Victorian SEABL sides form a new competition. Which btw, would cost much less to participate in and be more relevant.

If the NBL leaving BA was about money (what they were contributing to BA) wouldn't it be smart for the Vic SEABL sides to do the same thing. I am guessing it would save them tens of thousands (men and women).

You are all ignoring the fact that SEABL is an interstate competition, with a view to be truly National.

I don't disagree that the non existence of SEABL would mean stronger State Leagues, however the big plus so SEABL is lost.

There were reports in late 2011 that Albury had approached BNSW about playing in Waratah in 2012 but they stuck with SEABL & went on to win the title that year. The other half of the Bandits, Wodonga, already has a team in BigV Div2.

Anthony Moore is now a Boti cult figure Isaac?

GM1,

Who ignored the fact that the SEABL is a state league?

Can i be clear again for everyone?

I didn't content that all the state leagues get stronger if the SEABL disappears.

I am only suggesting that if the SEABL didn't exist, the Vics could rapidly create a competition that is better than the SEABL.

- Smaller competition
- less dilution of talent
- spend less on unnecessary travel (it is a large part of the SEABL cost structure)
- invest that regained revenue into coaching, conditioning, players or promotion
- more meaningful consistent rivalries

AND I said NOTHING, not one thing, about the league that already exists in Victoria.

I just hope that what isn't broken doesn't get fixed to a point where they do break it!

Just like I said above Bear about what makes a good league, perhaps someone should do a criteria for what being broken means.

In terms of being an NBL feeder, I think SEABL is broken, if not largely irrelevant. If it does not effectively act as the predominant NBL feeder, then there is not much point spending as much money as everyone does on it.

#507013

Just noticed your post, and realise it is meant to be funny.

If Waratah did gain Albury and Canberra, and drop its two bottom sides, it would be better, and probably by a margin.

How about we stop bagging an opportunity for people to play the sport they love..who cares about it being a feeder league or better or worse. It provides an opportunity. Something our government cant seem to do for students. I love the league and so do the players in it so that's all that truly matters. if you want the sport to grow and thrive, support it at all levels and stop complaining. Put some of this time and energy you got to troll and head a committee or open your own cub or start your own league and be the commissioner. the more leagues the more opportunities. At the end of the day its a kids game people not government nor a fortune 500 company.. keep it in perspective

"You are all ignoring the fact that SEABL is an interstate competition, with a view to be truly National."
It's dominated by Victorian teams, with token interstate representation. Any attempt to become "truly national" is doomed to failure and would lead to the demise of many of those Victorian teams.

AFAIK the SEABL competition has never aspired to be a National competition.
That's why it's still call SEABL. It was called the CBA at one stage unfortunately.

Dazz you obviously don't understand the culture of Victorian basketball living in WA.
Knox has 10 basketball courts? Dandenong 12? Kilsyth 10 courts including Lilydale.
Nunawading cant remember all in the s/e of Melbourne. Let alone all the other stadiums across the rest of Melb.
10,000's of kids and all with seabl programs. Absolutely no reason why the Melb clubs would disappear. Melbourne is Australia's heart of basketball and always will be.
Don't forget all the great strong regional vic clubs as well.

Good thoughts Michael. Can i just clarify a couple of things with you?

Is every competition and league serving the sports best purpose because it provides somewhere to play?

Are any of us allowed to even think about the structure of leagues in this sport, or is that now outlawed on the basis that the said league allows people to play somewhere?

Can we keep thinking as long as we stop writing?

If we all join a board or committee are we then allowed to think about writing something?

When did the semi-professional, interstate SEABL become a kids league? Is that new in 2015?

Do you love your partner like you love your league?

Did you and #507060 attend the same University?

Clear it up for me will you?

Good thoughts Michael. Can i just clarify a couple of things with you?

Is every competition and league serving the sports best purpose because it provides somewhere to play?

Answer: yes because the more people that play the more likely it will find its way to every living room and family. Last time I checked politicians have kids and if their kid loves the sport they are more likely to support it at the government level.

Are any of us allowed to even think about the structure of leagues in this sport, or is that now outlawed on the basis that the said league allows people to play somewhere?

Answer: Sure you can, My issue is the negativity. Come with ideas and solutions not just complaints.

Can we keep thinking as long as we stop writing?

Answer: I would just be happy if some of these trolls would think before they start writing

If we all join a board or committee are we then allowed to think about writing something?

Answer: If you all join you can make positive change and write up a great structural plan that will benefit every level of player not just the elite.

When did the semi-professional, interstate SEABL become a kids league? Is that new in 2015?

Answer: It's always been a kids league. Kids have been coming to SEABL games for awhile and have been inspired by it. Regardless of the structure of the league it gives kids a chance to dream about playing at a high level throughout their lives.


Do you love your partner like you love your league?

Answer: I love my Partner more but only slightly. I love the league like you obviously love sarcasm it brings me a bit of Joy.


Did you and #507060 attend the same University?

Answer: I went to Arizona State I'm not sure about him/her. Which qualifies me in a sense that I know that there is nothing like the structure for basketball you have here in the states. You can play until your 80 here and at a good level. It's very special and for someone who lives to play and does love the game of basketball as much as his partner its almost heaven.

Clear it up for me will you

Question: Is that clear enough?

That's a good response. Idealistic rubbish, and incredibly naive, but a good response. Enjoyed it.

"iI wish someone had said this to the VFL/AFL all those years ago."

OR maybe they should have mentioned it to the NBL before all those Victorian teams collapsed!
But hey, why bother comparing Basketball with, um, Basketball, when we could look instead at something completely irrelevant.

Have you actually LOOKED at the AFL?
There is a core of perennially rubbish Melbourne teams who survive only because of massive AFL handouts and revenue equalisation.
Most importantly they have a multi-billion dollar TV deal that actually makes it profitable to have unviable clubs.

Well HO I guess I'm in good company because they said the same thing to Christopher Columbus.. turns out he was right. And yes I also believe a basketball is round..lol

@HO, watching and enjoying SEABL for the pure entertainment it brings begs the question, does it need to be an NBL feeder?

Can SEABL not stay as the dominant winter basketball competition? It is good enough for some NBL players to stay here and keep their skills up..

I actually think it could foster some very good juniors, but lets face it the best juniors we have will go overseas in some capacity before they come back here.

To break SEABL would be a huge shame but to enhance it would require careful consideration on BA's behalf, something proven difficult in the past and something I hope can be improved on for the future!

The cost of SEABL now is an interesting point you make, is it over the top and do they throw too many $$$ at it, I don't know as I don't know how much it costs to run a SEABL program, I just know how much I enjoy it mate.

Oh, I also agree that if SEABL disintegrated the Vic clubs would be just fine on their own, they would go on to create a competition the envy of other states...

Anon^, I won't disagree with that...

"Well HO I guess I'm in good company because they said the same thing to Christopher Columbus.. turns out he was right"

Actually, Columbus was wrong.
Columbus and his backers believed that the world was limited to what had been discovered, and that therefore India must lie to the West of Europe.

I'm not questioning the grassroots support for Basketball in Victoria.