classic tweet

Adelaide killed Melbourne 45-24 on the boards. With the 36ers having that much extra ball is it any wonder Melbourne lost? That and Melbourne's love of shooting 3's that last night weren't dropping like they did a few weeks ago.

Sure, the refs were their usual crap selves last night, but they didn't lose the game for United. Maybe they need to look within. Players arguing with the coach and assistant on the sidelines isn't a good thing.

McRae shouldn't be openly whinging like this...but let's face it, he is right.

If the nbl ever decides to start enforcing the 3 second rule, BJ Anthony will be out of a job. For example check the 4th quarter, 7:26 to 7:13, he stays in the key for 13 seconds resulting in a score. This was a minute after several Adelaide players were in there for 4 or 5 seconds as Petrie had the ball from 8:29- 8:24.

Many of Melbourne,s 27 fouls were soft, too. We could call this home cooking.

So 1. Stop the home cooking and 2. Start consistently making foul calls 3. Look up the rules and check out the rule about being allowed in the lane for 3 seconds on offense. All 3 are justifiable complaints. But as I said, McRae should focus on the game. He's too good to get affected by Adelaide BBQ, and niggles from lesser men like Creek

Melbourne got a good run with the refs in the second half when they made their run. The game was poorly called, as sadly most are at the moment, but neither team got a great advantage of that.

Just rewatched those 2, to be fair Anthony was only in there for 11 seconds or so. And Petrie 6 secs on the first one- 8:30 to 8:24. They love pitching their tents. The 36ers should be sponsored by bCF or Ray's.

Seriously though, Adelaide's offense is heavily reliant on curl cuts, high lows and posting up, if I was coach of an opposing team and we had a game coming up against them, I'd quietly make mention of this to the Nbl.

I guess if I barracked for a team that's allergic to paint I'd spend my time complaining about the other team going in there too!

Haha. Good call. I'll pay that one.

LV you are right.

The three second call has just been forgotten about.

Melb shot way too many threes last night - 30 odd?

I do wonder whether the love for the three ball is a result of the poor reffing and the fact that players are getting discouraged from driving to the rack because of the probability of getting absolutely hacked and not getting the foul.

Melb lost the game last night no doubt but i do wonder whether there is a correlation there.

LV,

2nd Quarter 9:54 (a touch under)-9:48 Kickert in the key
3rd Quarter 3:24-3:19 MacMillan in the key

First of all, let me say that the United lost this game last night, not the refs for them.

However I find it odd that when the Sixers get home cooking, it is OK.

But when the Wildcats get the odd call, there is a huge conspiracy all the way up to Marvin.

@Marcus Camby, what home cooking did we get last night? LV has two post about 2 calls (which Melbourne also got away with 2 3 second calls) and makes a generalisation about the 27 calls.

So I ask where was the huge discrepancy of home court calls?

Tomlinson and Kickert both had a whinge on Twitter about the refs too, it's beyond pathetic that nearly a third of the team would sook publicly about the refs after they've just been soundly beaten by double digits and were outrebounded by such a huge margin, it wasn't exactly a Darnell Mee / Damon Lowry call.

A lot of double standards in this league

— Nate Tomlinson (@Nate_Tomlinson) December 12, 2014

We will be watching film. Adelaide will be watching film. I wonder what the other 3 blokes on the floor will do?

— Daniel Kickert (@kicks14) December 12, 2014

Very unprofessional

Home cooking? Must have been at a different game!

The officials missed as many as they called, and called a good few that were barely there if at all, but it was good to see them calling some of the holding, shirt-tugging etc that passed for Melbourne defence.

My issue was the amount of time Worthington, in particular, with D-Mac not far behind and Walker also weighing in, spent talking one-on-one with Melbourne referee during breaks in the game. Never one of the others - just the 'main man' from their home town. Maybe he was the referee and the others were mere umpires.

I'd like to think those attempts to influence the officiating resulted in extra reluctance to favour Melbourne in any 50:50 call, though saw no evidence of that, either way.

Could explain some of the petulance though, if the usual tactics failed to influence the officiating outcomes.

And was it just me, or have the officials woken up and changed the mechanics so there is not a referee/umpire camped adjacent to the team benches where the coach can double as a referee assessor - and attempt to influence the calling?

Sixers get a very cushy ride with the refs when we're home.
Every single team does. The umps are way too easily swayed by the crowd.

@Hendo8888 "Sixers get a very cushy ride with the refs when we're home."

When has this happened this entire season? Not once this season at home has Adelaide had this advantage.

Tomlinson, Kickert & McRae should all be fined for those tweets - absolutely ridiculous. Webster got fined last year by the Breakers

@Hendo8888 "Sixers get a very cushy ride with the refs when we're home."

At the end of R9, the average foul count was 18.6 to 20.4 (H:A)

On the home courts.
NZB: 20.7 v 20.1 (+0.6)
MEL: 21.0 v 20.6 (+0.4)
TVL: 20.8 v 20.7 (+0.1)
WOL: 16.2 v 18.5 (-2.3)
CNS: 17.2 v 19.7 (-2.5)
PER: 15.0 v 17.7 (-2.7)
ADL: 21.2 v 24.3 (-3.2)
SYD: 16.3 v 21.7 (-5.3)

If you looked at that alone, Sydney gets the dream run and NZ get stiffed. However, teams plays basically the same style and so if the refs were consistent would expect the foul count at home to be similar to the foul count away. Just looking at the home court fouls doesn't take into consideration the team's play style. Looking at the home vs away foul count is a much fairer way to consider any "home court advantage". Teams should attract fouls at the same rate regardless of the court.

PER: 15.0 vs 19.8 (+4.8)
CNS: 17.2 vs 20.3 (+3.1)
NZB: 20.7 vs 23.3 (+2.6)
WOL: 16.2 vs 18.4 (+2.2)
SYD: 16.3 vs 18.4 (+2.1)
ADL: 21.2 vs 21.7 (+0.5)
MEL: 21.0 vs 20.6 (-0.4)
TVL: 20.8 vs 20.3 (-0.5)

Based on that, the true "home court advantage" ranges from Townsville getting stiffed -0.5 fouls per game and Perth get an advantage of 4.8 fpg. Knowing that the away teams gets an average 1.8 fpg, the team with the most home court advantage is Perth with 3 fpg. They are also the team with the lowest average fpg on their home court (15.0 fpg)

Jack Toft don't use logic on Melbourne fans

or Perth fans

Yeah, I know!

When I was young, it seemed that the NBL was so wonderful, a miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical.

I have never understood why the foul count is supposed to relatively equal.

I agree with Harry, just because a foul count isn't equal doesn't mean it's favouring a side.

Not making any excuses for the refs though...

LOL,
Adelaide logic = "Teams should attract fouls at the same rate regardless of the court."

And why is it so, Einstein?

Pure genius!

Possibly for the same reason that teams should score the same number of points, should have the same number of turnovers, same number of rebounds - regardless of the court.

It makes sense. After all - both teams have the SAME number of players on the court - regardless of the court.

The stats are pretty simple this year, Perth conceding twice as many free throws away as at home. No question the crowd plays a huge role.

peterward, if you decided to read properly, as hard as that may seem to be for some people, you would have seen that the argument leveled against the Adelaide fans is that the 36ers have an advantage in the reffing through strong bias in extra fouls called against the away sides.

What you're saying is really what the opposing fans are arguing and the contrary to what Adelaide fans are arguing. You're going to need to 180 on that one.

If you had read Jack's post, which Paul rightly interprets, is that a team such as say, Perth, seems to foul considerably less at home games then they do in away games which would suggest either a hint of home court favour, or they play a completely different defensive style away. The former is probably more likely.

You can't just add the fouls up and say ooooohhhhh advantage Club X.

It's just a ridiculously childish and simple way to look at stats and attempt to make a judgement on bias.

Not really. When there are major discrepancies in the stats it makes sense to ask questions.

As for an opinion, I think home bias is pretty common in the NBL (and many other comps) and it seems the teams with the biggest crowds and best organised defences (Perth and NZ) benefit from it most.

Ah, all the Adelaide supporters suddenly don't like it when the Shoe of Home Town Bias Accusations is on the other foot!

the nbl is in trouble agen, being sued for copyright
the reason for the legal action is the impersonation by nbl refs being too close to the three blind mice