I heard that Southern men are on the hunt for a new coach?

If anyone was at the Tigers V sturt game they would have kept hearinbg the sound of EAT IT from the sabres bench. Especially from Gower as Wood got his dunk blocked by Forman. It was damn funny to see gower on his feet yelling out EAT IT toward Wood.

Gower is a sook - he likes to push and shove, but when he gets called for it he complains. If your gonna be a hardass, be one and don't complain about what you don't get a way with. Anyone agree or disagree?

OK, I'll take your bait: How were the refs looking after Oscar? The refs have nothing to do with 6 of 10 threes going in, or him hitting more than 50% of his shots (almost every single one of them from outside the key too).

He didn't go to the free throw line at all in that game, and only one player from the Tigers picked up more fouls than he did, so where was he being looked after?

Was it just me or was it true that every time the Tigers fan yelled out "clang" Oscar's three would be nothing but net?

The result of that game was decided by field goal percentage and not much else (given that the Tigers won the boards, hit more threes, went to the line more times and converted at a better rate, but lost the game by 16).

isaac,
i am a tigers fan myself, and am a little disappointed that someone who is as classy as you are would jump at that bait.
oscar was clearly best on court in my opinion and i was very impressed with his shooting, and overall game. dont bother responding to some persons cheap shot, as he clearly has no idea what he is talking about. i thought the umpires were fair on the night, despite ben mcdonald teching bowley for saying "No"....he has no idea, and has almost zero ability to talk to the players. he is hopeless, neil was good.

I think its unreasonable to say Oscar was looked after, the lad can shoot from everywhere and did so, although Shane Boal kept him scoreless for the last 4 minutes.

16 points doesnt reflect the true story of the game, Sturt blew out to a massive lead early, Tigers showed great spirit and heart to get back in the game and were only down by 6 points with 2.00 to go.
Same late 3's by oscar and Darren sealing the deal.

**of note**
Shane Boal played the best game of his brief ABA career, his head to head battle with Shep was a game within the game itself. One would think he may be putting his hand up for academy selection.. He has the heart, time and the work ethic required to compete at that level.

As for the Ref's..... Neil was servicable.
Ben Mcdonald... WAHT A F***N JOKE.
The guy is a blight on the game, as much as adelaide needs ref's to hang around, they dont need him. His personal stouches with Billy Hopkins in the past have been well documented, and this game was no exception. After his efforts the public should ask for their money back.

This was a very good game to watch with both teams making runs and battling hard, if the Tigers had shown up for the first Qtr, who knows what could have eventuated...

Sorry for a double post, apparently the sabres out scored the Tigers by 1 point over the last 3 quarters.
Some food for thought.....

I agree regarding that Bowley tech -- I didn't hear him say anything besides "NOOO!" and it wasn't really that aggressive or anything (seemed to be saying No as a personal reaction first and then was turning to go and talk to the umpire). Is it a tech for questioning/reacting to the umpire like that, or do they get a warning first? I mean, he wasn't aggressive, didn't swear or intimidate, etc.

The highlights of the game for me were Oscar (even if you remove my brotherly bias) and Darren (has been in excellent form over the last three games), Boal vs Shepherd (good spirited battled), and Gerlach (how many times did he save the ball when it was an inch from going out of court, or pop up in exactly the right spot for the rebound?).

Only dunk in the game was Gower in a bit of traffic, and drew the foul (but missed the FT).

ben mcdonald was embarrassing on saturday night, i will be the first to admit that. however, i think when he can realist he is human along with the players, and realise that people are going to get emotional (even him), and he can learn how to better deal with those emotions, rather than just reacting and giving bowley a tech, or by ignoring a player, then he can be a good umpire. i think we should support our umpires, and work on their faults rather than just saying "he is crap"....ben does need some work.

I think Ref B was a disgrace. He has now called 2 techs this season i have seen - 1 for the word "what" and one for the word "no".

Are these new hip swear words that I'm not down with.

I think he was just upset that he thought Coach Hopkins made a comment regarding his sexuality (he didnt).

What he actually said is that he likes Sixers not Fellas

Anyway Ref B you are a "no-face" translate that as you wish

i am assuming that you are ben mcdonald or someone close to him. if you are going to tech someone for saying no, then to be a consistent referee you will be handing out 15-20 technicals a week...clearly you are not doing this, so stop reacting on the spot to a player just because you realise you may have made a bad call. also get some personality skills, so that you can take some constructive ffedback, umpires make mistakes just like players and coaches. now here is the complicated thing. play the game, dont say anything......you idiot!

Anon# 42007

People questioned calls all night. Especially feisty young vaughan as he continually got drilled by Shane Boal.

Not to mention the crap he got from sour face Gower...

Crucial calls at crucial times, ben continued to disappoint....

oh dear ben....getting T'd for saying NO is ridiculous, why cant you understand?

42021....i agree that benn has some very good attributes, he just needs to learn to deal with his own mistakes, and the fact that players are going to argue with him occasionally with out them deserving to be T'd for it. His ability to talk to the players is disgraceful, his refereeing abilities are quite good in my opinion.

Crowd was rather vocal. Game was close, i didn't hear bill make any of those comments. I did see Ben fire up at Bill during the game.

I believe the standard of the game played tested the collective ability of the umpires to control the game. It was by far the most physical game i've seen played this year. It wasn't violent - a pat on the back to all players concerned that egos were kept in check.

There were some blindingly obvious wrong calls down the scoreboard end, particularly the rebound/out of bounds call mentioned previously.

anonymous, you have absolutely no idea. you cannot T a player for saying NO....that is the bottom line, that is absolutely ridiculous.

i was at the game but was not in a position to comment on what was said or whether particular fouls were warranted. However it is a pity that a keenly contested game that produced the three highest hoops SA ratings for the weekend have attracted so much crap that is detracting from what was a damn good game. Looking at southern men's team they were very competitive and maybe one key player away from a finals campaign.
Given the lack of refs maybe it would be better to let the ref evaluator provide feedback.

Well that would certainly clear up this topic.

Dingo, I think everyone agrees that the game itself was good, but I believe the umpiring was a little "lack-lustre".

Would've been an interesting conversation, me thinks.

It doesn't matter what words are used. If a player loudly disputes a call so that most of the stadium can hear it, then the officials are being treated with disrespect - the player *can* be given a T.

Key word here is "can". Usually a general warning can be given for an intial non-offensive, yet loud dispute.

If words are spoken quietly, there is room for more leniency, unless what is said is personally offensive.

At any volume, referring to or speaking to an official using offensive language *should* earn a player a T - no warning given.

i give up whoever you are anonymous, it is stubborn referees like you that cannot take constructive feedback or any feedback at all that disappoint me the most. i understand that everyone makes mistakes including every single player out there. however my piont all along has been that a player saying NO should not be T'd, and if you are anything near consistent then you would not T a player for this otherwise you would be handing out 15-20 a game.
thanks for the correspondence anyway, it has been interesting.
i agree with the above post in that it certainly was a good game.

i rate the following referees quite highly....
phil haines
wayne maidment
neil
nathan durant
the other nathan? wieland i think
that would be my top 5, i think they are all fairly consistent and are prepared to have a discussion with any player that asks a reasonable question in a respectful manner.

top stuff getrude, can't complain with those choices, and i personally would add Mike Gibson to that list - he did the womens game sat night.

you asked me who i rate as umpires...and i gave you my answers.
did you not understand, i was also emphasising that to be a good umpire, i think you need to have some people skills, maybe you did not understand that bit.

down boys ! its enough!! neither of you is going to win by having the last word....it just increases your chances of swallowing a fly. This thread is no longer adding to basketball knowledge or contributing to world peace and harmony.
THE END.

dingo is obviously some kinda of God to be able to get both Gertrude and anonymous to stop posting, but dingo is only one god, not the god... Lets face it, dingo isn't Issac.

Hey, did anyone see that tech on Dave Bowley on Saturday night? I couldn't believe that one...

I've tried not to go there, but thats just another issue that was hopefully dealt with by the Umpires Observer thingamejig person.