Think the last thread was about the women's team not the men's, and they certainly will have a talent filled team

FYI, Adam Caporn is the coach of U19 Men's team and he's been working with the CoE (SEABL) and non-CoE players in the past few months instilling a current style of play, which is not based on the shuffle.

Now whether he will invite OS players would definitely depend on the budget, but personally I think Adam will look at the positions and then consider his options. I'd say Maker, Bolden and maybe Simmons may be invited but this will also depend on their commitments - I don't think LSU would accept a call up with the open arms during their season. Same thing with Maker if he decides to change the class.

You also gave to add in the un17s that will be playing at worlds in the next week or so, they I imagine will also be looking for berths with some good players possibly getting a run over a few older ones. Though Oceania qualifiers are in dec this year so not long to get teams together for both men and women, when will the next camp be?

Unless these college kids have it in their contracts they won't allow them leave to go to camps or Oceania . Worlds they could do as it's just before they have to return to college or just as they are returning. They will not be running camps in Hawaii , as they would have to do the same for the women it would blow the budget unless of course Joyce will take a pay cut!

When schools and colleges are paying big money for scholarships then they do have every right to say no, unless the player has thought to have a release written into their contract agreement. The USA kids can go as the camps would be in the same country, but for the Australian players that's not the case, and the cost involved to be running camps in another country would be pushing the already thin budget past it's limit.

^ obviously you don't know the system. Before they sign at a college they should indeed ensure that any obligations that may be required to be met during their term at college is part of their acceptance and put in writing. Some colleges do not allow them to miss games/training not even for country representation commitments. Worlds should not be a problem but it's the camps and qualifiers and tours that will be.

The budget has been thinned considerable by the reduction of funding from the federal government, Joyce's exorbitant salary and the ongoing costs associated with running the opals and boomers Evident already by tours being cancelled due to lack of funding ,camps non exsitent due to lack of funds and players having to pay to attend overseas competitions for the un17/19 groups
It is not a bottomless pit, and whilst this year has been a big year with un17s and wheelchair worlds and opals and boomers tours,camps and upcoming worlds Next year will be not much different as they begin their prep for Olympics. And with Joyce and lemanis spending much of the funding flying players around the country just to train instead of using the facilities at the AIS, and wanting to do extended tours overseas as part of the "norm", the funding will continue to evaporate. So do you really think they will be putting more and more money to have camps overseas just to accommodate athletes who have chosen to go to college, this is un19 it's NOT opals and boomers and as much as you might like to think it's the be all and end all (the men in particular ) I am sorry to be the one to break it to you......it's not in the eyes of BA

You're telling me that this is the best possible team???

PG - Tad Dufelmeier / Tanner Krebs / DJ Vasiljevic
SG - Deng Adel / Tom WIlson
SF - Ben Simmons / Jack McVeigh
PF - Thon Maker / Jonah Bolden
C - Isaac Humprhies / Jock Landale / Harry Froiling

Let me break this down:
PG - I agree with Tad he's the best point guard his age. Tanner is not a point guard, so I'll slide him in at the 2... DJ Vasiljevic... I'm sorry but no. Bring in Kai Woodfall or Jaden Weldon. (Dufelmeier/Woodfall/Weldon)

SG - Dend Adel, I don't see him playing on this team, and even if he does, I don't see him sliding in at the two, he's in the 3 spot AND tom wilson? No he's out, no way he's part of this best possible team. Tanner Krebs is here with Kai Healy or Joel Smith. Don't sleep on either of them, Healy's at college in the WCC right now so I expect him to see major improvement between now and worlds.. and Joel Smith is an athletic freak. (Krebs/Healy/Smith)

SF - There's a big pool of good players in the SF/PF area.. but Ben Simmons is not a SF. Here I'm putting Jack Mcveigh and George Blagojevic. I'll also slot in Deng Adel in the unlikely situation he decides to play.
(Mcveigh/Blagojevic/Adel)

PF - Not even a question... Simmons and Bolden.. (I expect them to be on court together, but position wise at the time being they're both PF's... Bolden is the closer of the 2 to a SF)
(Simmons/Bolden)

C - Again not even a question... Landale isn't even this age group, and Frolling is ways away from being at this level. He's a stat guy in my opinion, he gets his shots up, but no effort or heart. Don't get me wrong he's going to be good, but not now. So easily we have Thon Maker and Isaac Humphries at the C spot.
(Maker/Humphries)

Let me know your thoughts

@hooper 79, I mostly agree with your list, also your summation is interestingly blunt and to the point too I guess. We would have to consider timing and the age of players in the team, not too many 16 year olds currently would be up there, I agree on that for sure, Humphries is one exception to that rule.

He and Maker would make an interestingly diverse pairing at the 5 spot, one a power player the other more athletic and face to the basket type, could work quite well and pose significant problems for opposition defenders.

I am not that familiar with Woodfall or Weldon however D.J. is more of a shooting guard than a point, agree on that.

Krebs at SG picks himself, not familiar with the other two however I understand you are looking at athleticism here. Wilson is tall, athletic and has a great shot, is a good decision maker and has excellent ball skills, maybe he is younger than those other two but I would like to see them all on court at trials before I decided to out him.

Agree 100% on Simmons and Bolden at PF, especially if we are after athletic guys who can also post up. They are very similar in a lot of ways and can really play well above the rim, so a third option with a little more of a post defense may be considered but not probably needed.

If we could get your selected team on court they would be very strong I imagine...

@hooper 79

I would probably side with most of your list. While there is plenty of athleticism on your team, I would say it lacks shooting power. So I would replace Weldon (he is actually SG not PG) with Wilson (he plays this position for CoE) and Smith (been out due to injury for some time and very average shooting ability, he is athletic for sure) with Vasiljevic. I like Healy - probably the most underrated player I've seen, but again not a real threat from perimeter. From memory, he mostly played 3 on the state team.

I am not sure about Maker's ability to play C, so might drop him to 4 with Bolden dropping to 3 instead of Adel or Blagojevic. If Perry recovers he could be a 5, or maybe Gak.

But I guess this would be a wish list. In reality those who have played for Caporn will get the first look. I personally don't agree with some statements in regards to quality of onshore players. Indeed there is some serious talent in HS at the moment, but "making up the numbers" is rather an insult to the kids here. If we are talking about THE TEAM, than I would take most of U17 kids simply because they've been together for some time, played in several tournaments and are going away soon to the World's. IMO the team will win, not 12 individuals, so a real question is how these great individuals would play together.

@Bear,
I agree on Humphries, although with him moving to a high school late this year it may change things... but I doubt it.

@Alpha,
Ok, I see where you are going with Wilson, he's a solid player but I don't think he's a natural point guard at this point in time. He can shoot the ball, but at the same time so can Weldon. Weldon is around 6 foot, can shoot, and is one of the quickest guards his age... and he is a natural point guard. Around changing Smith for Vasiljevic, I mean I agree that he is still raw and coming off an injury but I don't see Vasiljevic sliding in at the 2, he's too small for the position @ u/19 level.

In regards to Healy, I agree with you 100%, I like his game as well. From what I can see he was playing mostly the 3 solely due to the height of his state teams, not skill related. He's right around 6"5' or 6"4, very strong and a solid all around player, I see him playing 2 for this team with no problem. A great matchup I saw was Krebs V Healy @ U20'S, Krebs the better shooter but Healy the better creator.

Now in regards to the big men, I'm just putting Maker at 5 right now due to his height. Not saying Humphries and Maker won't see time on the court together. I don't know about the match ups but I'm sure with this team we could really match up nicely against USA.

It'll be interesting to see what actually happens with Caporn and this team, I guess we'll have to wait until the u/17 world have finished and how everyone performed there to see how many of those guys will have a realistic shot at this u/19 team.

@hooper 79
I guess a matter of opinion whether the size or ability would prevail. Patty is not tall by any measure yet is the starting SG. Not sure if you watched any of the CoE SEABL games, Adam played Vasiljevic as 1, 2 and 3 on occasion, Wilson mainly as 1 and 2. Although undersized they both performed well in these positions against older and stronger oppositions. I might be biased but since I have seen these two play together on so many occasions I'd give them preference over other players. In the current structure I don't believe that Weldon or Smith, regardless of their natural abilities, would be given an appropriate consideration.

I'd say due to all restrictions the team will consist of onshore players. Unfortunately I don't think we are going to see Dufelmeier, Humprhies, Simmons, Bolden, Adel, Healy, and many others OS... on this team, maybe Maker gets call up for the obvious reason.

IMO the following players will be invited to the selection camp (if something like that is actually arranged):

Wilson, Vasiljevic, Owies, Woodfall, Krebs, J. White, Noi, Blagojevic, Gak, Humphries (may be part of the team for the qualifier), Froling, Akintola, Clark, Perry, Vague (not sure if he is onshore), Smith... not sure if the White brothers would be considered, although I like them too.

I hope they will look at some other players who have been flying under the radar playing in SEABL, BigV...



And to respond to the last anon - the squad has not been picked, this is just our wishful thinking :)

The future of Aussie basketball is definitely looking bright.

Let's hope the coaching staff at BA can get all this talent together for the 2015 edition of the U19 World Champs. A gold medal would be a realistic chance.

Yes girls china tour got cancelled so to camp due to lack of funding, next camp is September to pick Oceania team that will go to Fiji n nov/dec so etime to challenge for worlds berth.

With Froling twins, Wallace and Fareo all starting in USA college system this year not sure who they will take but definites for me would be in addition to these in college if they are a available
Lauren Sherf
Allanah Smith
Rachel Antoniadou
And maybe
Mikayla Pirini
Meg Essex
As top age players

After that it's anyone's guess, but thinking maybe some of the un17s from worlds squad the likes of
Alex Sharp
Analli Mali
Thalia Tupaea
Chloe Bibby
Georgia Pineau
Ella Hellesy

For starters the CofE women's group are an eclectic mix of ages, with the likes of talbot,Lavey burton too old for these junior worlds so you would have to ask the question should they even be there. Then you have the good players who choose not to attend the CofE because they and their parents are focused on the academic side which they really do not get at the CofE. So again not really the best of the best up their. Then men however have chosen appropriate ages to develop, so the question needs to be asked what is the pathway and purpose of the CofE. And even in the men's group the strongest players have either chosen USA or education as well, so it's not really a true representation of the full pool of talent here in Australia.

On to those who gave chosen USA over Australian pathway, in the past they have not been considered and/or not been available. And I would imagine the same will occur this time going from the nsw basketball release of the next gems squad camp
Four NSW girls have been selected in the Gems squad to attend camp in Canberra on 20th-23rd Sept, 2014.


Congratulations to:

Montana Farrah-Seaton

Jasmine Forcadilla

Elizabeth Tonks

Tahlia Tupaea

Below is the entire squad
RACHEL
ANTONIADOU
16/10/1996
VICC
Dandenong Rangers
St Pauls Anglican Grammar

CHLOE
BIBBY
15/06/1998
VICC
Horsham/ Dandenong Rangers
Methodist Ladies College

MADELEINE
DENNIS
14/01/1997
WAM
Kalamunda
Mount Lawley HS

MEG
ESSEX
29/10/1996
QLD
Ipswich

West Moreton Anglican College
MONTANA
FARRAH-SEATON
27/11/1996
NSWC
Commercial Club Bandits
Catholic College Wodonga

JASMINE
FORCADILLA
17/09/1997
NSWC
Gosford City
CCAS Erina

ELLA
HELLESSEY
14/05/1997
VICC
Southern Peninsula
Padua College

CHANTEL
HORVAT
1/06/1998
VICC
Geelong/ COE
Geelong College/ Canberra High

MACKENZIE
HOYCARD
29/10/1998
WAC
Goldfields
John Paul College

ANNELI
MALEY
01/09/1998
VICM
Eltham/ COE
Eltham High/ Canberra High

CARLY
PERSO*
17/01/1997
VICC
Wangaratta Hustlers
Galen Catholic College

MIKAYLA
PIRINI
29/06/1996
WAM
Willetton/ West Coast Waves
Willetton Senior High

LAUREN
SCHERF
7/03/1996
VICM
Dandenong Rangers
Catholic Ladies College

ALEXANDRA
SHARP*
04/02/1997
VICM
Diamond Valley/ COE
Our Lady of Mercy/ Canberra High

DEMI
SKINNER
9/04/1997
SAC
Central Districts
Trinity College

ALANNA
SMITH
10/09/1996
VICM
Nunawading Spectres
Wesley College

ELIZABETH
TONKS
24/05/1997
NSWC
North Sydney/ Coffs Harbour
Loreto Normanhurst

TAHLIA
TUPAEA
01/06/1997
NSWM
Sydney Uni Flames/ Penrith
St Mary's Senior HS

KRISTY
WALLACE*
3/01/1996
QLDS
Southern Districts/ COE
John Paul College

*Players are injured/unavailable for camp
Head Coach - Paul Goriss
Assistant Coaches – Jonathan Goodman and Larissa Anderson
Manager – Michele Menso
Doctor – Dr Maja Markovic
Physiotherapist – Jessica Thornton (2014)


With Perso injured recovering from shoulder surgery Sharp injured shoulder surgery just had Wallace un available in USA college. So no frolings no Fareo .

^have done

At a guess...2017!

The 2015 one is only just starting lol, give them a chance

Qualification for 2017 un 19s will begin with Oceania which is always late move early dec the year prior so 2016, selection process would have already begun and you will probably see first wave go to Auscamp in jan 2015 for the development camp., then they start looking at un16/18 nationals next year and building from their it's a never ending rotation of players.

Un19 for this coming qualification in December have their selection camp this September but those players have already been in the system for the past two years some more.

Women have a camp 20 to 23rd September and men the week after that are going ahead so must have funding, they need to pick teams for Oceania or they won't qualify for worlds

Isn't it the guy who is coaching them AIS men? Women have Paul gorris he's head of women's program at AIS

^^ You've got to understand where BA get their revenue from.