Dave Ingham is kicking goals.

to zone or not to zone

It has a lot to do with Dave Ingham. If I'm not mistaken he removed the initial coach for being a tool and put the current coach in who just won a National Championship. Worked out quite well I'd say.

Vic allow zone even at U14 level (in the Classics).
I think this is the first year at the Classics where U12 were not permitted to play zone.

Perhaps Vic should update their rules to follow the rest of Australia - then perhaps their results would be better...

Dave Ingham and Viki Valk also completely reshaped the curriculum for NITP. All those SA Metro girls are trained by Ingham and Valk for 2 hours a week at NITP (along with some other coaches). How can anyone in their right mind say he has had nothing to do with it?

Have some perspective. Each and every player has a series of coaches, team and support people who have been there with them along the way since a very you g age.The credit of success can not be attributed to just one coach. Be humble BSA and those overt supporters and acknowledge everyone involved over each girls journey in bringing success. Some of the players in the team have been coached for years by the preceeeing state coaches so they have had an impact whether you like it or not. Teams are not built in a year and certanly not players. It is years of work and growth. State coaches are handed players already skilled, primed and ready to learn more and become part of a team from many backgrounds. Yes they have achieved success but that is not to say the previous could not have done the same.

948 - CLEARLY YOU ARE ONE OF THE FORESTVILLE FAMILIES. Do not speak o behalf of others.

Can they have only had 10 trainings total.

I don't think anyone here is arguing Ingham is solely responsible for the sucess. I'm just saying it's stupid to insinuate he's had nothing to do with it because he's only been here "5 minutes".

Realistically, if he is responsible for the gold for one team, is he also responsible for all other teams failing to medal at all???

Duelling banjos a plenty here!

^ 2 girls teams in top 4 for 18's (can't remember boys) a gold medal in 16 girls and 2 teams top 6 in 16 boys. I think that's pretty succesfull. All those are products if NITP

Too early to judge. Ingham had little to do with this years state team performances. Not saying he is doing a bad job but to insinuate that there has been a step change in performance since he came in, delivering this year's outcomes is just naive.

Ingham will be primarily judged by the powers that be on the number of national and international athletes that come out of Australia. For this to happen his work starts now with 12/13 yr olds through TI and ensuring those kids are getting the right development at club level. In 5 or 6 yrs time we should begin to see the outcomes of his work or not.

Way too early to tell at this stage.

975 - just stop will you. It is not about 1 person is what everyone else is saying. do not use a teams success as fuel for your personal atracks.. that is disgusting.. what everyone should be doing is ringing up BSA and asking when are they going to start celebrating the states success and using it as a vehicle to promote this fabulous sport. and once again the successess today are as a result of hard work of many over
many years so acknowledge it. you know it is okay to say this has been a team effort. nobody can do anthing alone. so the problem here is the person glorifying the results as the work of one or two. it is offensive to everyone elss efforts

987- I (975) wasn't attacking anyone. I also posted 969. I was just responding to the above comedy that was saying Ingham was responsible for other teams not medaling if he is responsible for the meddling teams. I completely see that point if view, I was just pointing out that all round it has been a pretty succesful year for nationals for sa teams. NOT that Ingham is responsible for it all. Maybe you misread the meaning of my comment? Don't see how that could possibly be taken as an attack on anyone? Obviously Ingham isn't responsible for it all. Anyone who thinks that is crazy. But as the state high performance manager he does have to take SOME credit for how the state high performance program is running doesn't he?

*coment

Winners are grinners but that said the talent pool in this age group across the states is low so I wouldn't put my house on this being an S A resurgence or apportion too much kudos to coaches as there are a number of factors involved.

How about everyone BE HAPPY FOR THE GIRLS!!!!!

Well done to the SA girls, they played hard and certainly played for each other when it counted. Lynne has been part of the NITP for the past 12 or so years, so has certainly earned her stripes. Regarding results, I wouldn't get to ahead of ourselves. If the finals fixture was as it has been for the past 25 years (top 4) or top 2 from each pool then there would have been no medal at 18's and the boysrresults from 16's would have been different again. All in all there are a lot of factors at work here and you are kidding yourselves if you think the turnaround has happened overnight. In saying that well done to the girls, what a great memory to always have.

anon - both boys teams finished in the 3-4 bracket in their pools (so 5-8 overall) - so both boys teams would have ended up with the same "semi" x-over, and same result. Just took an extra game to get there.

When the competition structure changes from what it has been forever, it is unfair to rate this against previous results at Nationals. I would say there would be many teams from every state that could have medaled in the past 20 years had this finals system been put in place. I personally like the new format as it seems to give you a second chance, in the past if you lost two pool games your week was toast!

Clueless commentary about talent.

I am talking about the girls now, but I find it funny when Victoria don't come out on top, that there must be a lack of talent around, or the standard has dropped. Maybe its just coming from elsewhere nowadays, and some are finding it hard to handle

The format now including quarter finals is what it is and most people actually like the idea I think.

Previously you would have a team missing out on just a small percentage and having no chance of finals because they may have dropped one tight game or they were in a stronger pool for example.

On the other hand teams that traditionally end up one or two are now having to play an extra knock out game against an opponent that may actually be very dangerous because they have been in the tougher pool.

In the end it is finals and winners will progress, I like the new quarter finals format, it should stay IMO.

I like the addition of the quarter finals element. It allows more teams to experience the 'pressure and environment' of finals basketball and I think it will increase players competitiveness and in the long run will benefit basketball in Australia by exposing 8 teams to finals basketball as opposed to the top 4 of the past.