read your club's constitution.

How can the CEO of a league also be the CEO of the umpires association for the same league???Took 12 months for him and his respective boards to figure it out.....How can the president of a basketball association appoint himself with the boards consent as the CEO???

Happy Days is in his element, Governance talk gets him up and about!!!

Ashke long time no hear...

Most basketball committees and boards are generally made up of people with a vested interest in the club and the game, and with the best of intentions. Sometimes internal decision are made where people on the peripheral don't understand or have all the information, and therefore pass judgement incorrectly or just gossip. Most association don't like outsiders coming in and tell them how run their shop, and normally when an association /club doesn't provide the pathway that's members needs the individuals move on.

Potentially there could be just as much a conflict of interest by having a child in the program as having a child in another club. For example, a board/committee member influencing coaches on where their child is placed. Rather than making decisions based on merit,

It's almost as difficult as resolving the problem of having parent coaches. For example should you allow the parent coach at representative level? Lots of people will say no, however, I believe Lindsay Gaze used to coach Andrew Gaze.

CEO of Knox, was Chairperson of SEABL.
Chairperson of Knox Senior Raiders was also Chairperson of VJBL was also on the Basketball Victoria board.
Conflicts happen all the time it is just how they are managed.

Free Adelaide,

Excepting that there may be decisions made at a Committee meeting that create a conflict of interest, why would be a parent of a child at Club A prevent you from being on the committee of Club B?

And HD, I am not sure your first example is actually an issue (given I do not understand the implications), but your second sounds like corruption!

Maybe start by looking at what 'conflict of interest' means? Usually relates to a situation in which the director/committee member or a family member gains - or could gain - a financial benefit because of a decision in which the director/committee member was involved in making at board/committee level.

So, there is no [legal] conflict of interest evident in the first example in which the director has kids playing at another club.

There is potential for C of I in the case of the director whose company has a contract to supply uniforms but we don't know the facts. As Knox points out, the real question is how each issue is handled. If the director in that case absented himself when the board made the decision re the uniform contract there's no issue, I'd suggest.

Part of the problem is there is no layer of governance above these associations and most of them are made up of volunteers with little corporate experience and understanding of what governance is. As one president said to me, i'm a plumber and i haven't been on a committee before. He is now running a league with a turnover of $500k and doing ok for his first year in.

Happy Days "How can the president of a basketball association appoint himself with the boards consent as the CEO???" Good question, how does that happen?

A plumber is selling themselves short a bit there!

For one, a turnover of $500K is probably what a small-medium plumbing business would do. To be registered as a contractor with Consumer Affairs they need to have some formal business studies and to remain in business some business nouse in the form of seeking work, quoting, marketing etc and then they have to actually solder some bits of copper together, scratch their bum and say "it's not gunna be cheap luv.."

In terms of the OP's question, this has happened in the past, is happening now and will happen in the future. It might not be a conflict of interest as such, but it is not a good advertisement if the kids of the President of the club are playing at a different club. It implies that they do not have faith in the coaching staff at that club.

There may be a number of reason why their children are playing at a different club. They might be a former player at the club where they are on the committee and their children might be playing at the other club due to friendships/custody issues etc.

At the end of the day, they are a volunteer on a committee giving up their time and trying to make that club better. They should be congratulated for that.

LOL @ Southern...

This is sports.

The gripe about a parent working with one club while their kids played at another reminds me of a Seinfeld re-run from earlier this week:

JERRY: Hey, so where's my sneakers?

KRAMER: That's what I wanna know.

JERRY: What do you mean?

KRAMER: Well, I saw Mom and Pop this morning, but when I went by the store on my way home? The place was empty. Everything is gone. Mom and Pop - vrooop - vanished.

JERRY: So all my sneakers are gone?

KRAMER: I'm afraid so. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I've been asking around - they didn't even have any kids.

JERRY: Mom and Pop aren't even a Mom and Pop?!

KRAMER: It was all an act, Jerry. They conned us, and they scored, big time.

ELAINE: So. Mom and Pop's plan was to move into the neighborhood...establish trust...for 48 years. And then, run off with Jerry's sneakers.

KRAMER: Apparently.

ELAINE: Alright, that's enough of this.

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Interesting post. BV don't even have compulsory registration of players, tough to get them to insist on it for coaches and officials!

You can't manage conflict of interest by a list. You might prohibit some things, like saying that an administrator cannot also be a Board member, but that is not necessarily managing conflict of interest.

Interest is not limited to financial gain either, its more often in the volunteer context about access to information, which makes Board confidentiality agreements pretty important.

In answer to the OP, I can only offer you what I have experienced.

I have been on the board of a basketball club, then my sons moved to another basketball club to grow and devlop at a higher level of competition.

I still help out at the old club, I caoch and help run the club's committee, never had one issue at all.

I have coached many basketball teams, even against my own sons on occasions, once again, never had an issue as I have always been up front and transperant about what I do.

There are rules of operation, constitutions and policy that govern any incorporated association and every basketball club should also have adopted such guidelines of their own.

If you follow the process, have and open and honest relationship with others on your committee, then just do what you can to help it is usually seen as exactly that, nothing more to those around you with equal amounts of common sense and decency.

Problems may arrise through petty jealousy or envo, however people's egos are probably the worst thing you will encounter, outside of someone being involved who is there for their own interests or just plain and simple a crook!

People offer their time and effort in basketball for free in most cases, the clubs and Associations cannot survive without these volunteers.

Anyone who is out there doing it to help the kids and has this as their motivation should be held in high regard by their organisations, I agree that often the issues are percieved and not real!

Final piece of advice, if you have Facebook, well either get rid of it or make sure you do not link to anyone under 18 years of age if you are an adult yourself, this may save you quite a lot of percieved trouble...

...jealousy or envy...

^should read, sorry!

Yes ^anon, I know some people should not be involved in running clubs or linked to them, however answering the OP, the question is; 'How can people be on a club committee when they have 1 or more children playing at another club??'

Answer: Be up front, open, honest and transparent until you hand over the reigns to the next person. Understand you are only holding a position, one of trust and part of a team. It is not about you!

If the person in question does not possess the right attributes, well there potentially is your problem. Not saying find the perfect person, they don't exist, but find the right person and don't lose them, protect them and use your policies to help you do this...

Bear "Final piece of advice, if you have Facebook, well either get rid of it or make sure you do not link to anyone under 18 years of age if you are an adult yourself, this may save you quite a lot of percieved trouble..."

Best piece of advice on this forum for a while!

Facebook is a handy way of keeping in touch with a group of underage players, but if you are a coach and want to use it, you would be well advised to set up a profile as "Coach A" and use this to communicate instead of your personal profile so it is a specific profile for a specific purpose. Keep it specifically basketball related. The Coaches own personal profile should not used.

Liking pictures of underage players vomiting at parties, and commenting on teenage girls selfies when they are in bikinis saying "UR gawjus hun!" must be avoided at all costs. I have seen some coaches behaviour on FB border on behaviour Rolf Harris would be proud of.

BV doesn't have the time, money, or resources to support local associations which means that they are left to there own devices. AFL has independant commissions in place which govern football within there respective regions. All clubs and leagues within those regions report to the commission. The commission has full time staff inplace to help leagues and clubs continue to grow and plan for the future.If there is an issue it can be resolved quickly. AFL has a coaches association which means all coaches must be accredited. The money from those courses is then reinvested back into providing further training and development rather than state association funds which i believe happens with BV.

I think the key word is independance.Hard to make balanced decisions when you have a vested interest and most boards are filled with people that fit into that category. Need to make decisions in the best interests of the game, league or club .Most independant commissions have set criteria which means you have had no involvement at league or club level for a minimum of 2 years.

^Anon, that is a great theory and in practise will make sense to a point. Always the preference for an organisation to find independant people to run them, especially when it comes down to something like sporting organisations so we can avoid issues like nepatism and so on...

The problem, my friend, is that if you look at most organisations in the real world, their players and officials, who would make great club leaders often have kids playing for the organisation as well!

Unless you have big $$$ to bring in a qualified pro, you just need to be more selective when it comes time to vote these people in, perhaps.

The hard thing is getting the right people to fill the spots. Ideally you want somebody who is independant with a corporate/sporting background. Doesnt have to be a basketball person as there is so much knowledge that can be gleaned from other sports. We headhunt and do extensive screening prior to even meeting the person. The process isn't perfect but you are a better chance of getting the right person.

Anon, you make a valid point. You do get members playing the numbers game which is not in the best interests of the organisation.

Agree, that the right people are likely to be out there. Also agree that organisations often lack, for whatever reason, the will or the drive to search for them.

The right person, however may also just not want to do the job!

Remember that being on a board or committee isn't everyone's cup of tea, there needs to be an incentive for them to put their time and effort into this role.

Why do these parents, or past players, officials etc... feel they want to help out their clubs or Associations, what is the attraction for them?

We sometimes look at these matter with one eye closed and don't see it from both angles too...

Most people seem to forget that most of these clubs were set up from youth clubs or church groups that have grown over multiple years and some have become semiprofessional basketball clubs/associations.

Just about every single association is run by a volunteer board who in most cases are parents or past players. Of course there are vested interests people are investing their time and effort. It takes hundreds of thousands of hours of volunteer time to run most associations. Everything from team managers, coaches, age group coordinators, all the way through to secretaries, treasurers and presidents.

The most positive comment I've heard from a club president, when asked why they put their hand up to volunteer was. "... There is a former president and several life members who I see watch their grandchildren play at this club. One day I would like to see my grandchildren play at this club, so I hope I can contribute to the long-term sustainability of the club... and if my kids have children, get to see my grandchildren play here". At the time I think this Presidents child was playing bottom age under 14's.

I'm not sure how this would pan out as a conflict of interest or even vested interest. But at least he had the heart to put his hand up to volunteer and help, and in my opinion for all the right reasons.

Certainly isn't selling uniforms to players.

Sorry to hear that ^anon, but the question you may ask yourself is 'what could I, or anyone else have done about that at the time?'

I'm guessing SA District

Op, if you take your question away from basketball and put it in a different context, it would be:

How can people be on a school board when they have 1 or more children attending another school??

Or:

How can people be a teacher at one school when they have 1 or more children attending another school??

Or:

How can people be on a company board when they have 1 or more children working for another company??

It happens all the time and isn't an issue outside of basketball. Apart from ensuring the rest of the board is aware of the situation, why is it a problem?

Also in my experience where leadership in the operations area of a club based organisation is poor you will find poorly skilled people just assuming roles of responsibility for their own benefit but to the deteriment of others.

This parasitic behaviour only eridicates anything positive the organisation over time.

I've seen this time and time again. Clubs improve and go backwards because the consistently employ poor operations people or seek out through clever role structuring weak people they can effectively control and manipulate.

What about the club treasurer who's wife runs the association & for a long time handled the banking, door entries, accounts payable/receivable, reconciliation, etc & may still do? Now that's a conflict of interest not to mention poor governance! Especially in a business that gets a lot of cash revenues.

I heard the committee of the day sacked the association's GM mid season leaving parents to coach his teams, who was the association's founder, who had been a past president for like 10 years, who was a life member of the association, who had received a distinguished service award from BV. Then they changed the constitution so it became very difficult, almost impossible, to call for an extraordinary general meeting. Thereby ensconcing their control of the association. A number of those committee members at the time only got on the committee with the express desire to remove this guy because he either didn't pick their child in the right team (read 1st team) or they felt aggrieved that he didn't spend enough time or energy coaching their child's team. Oh and they also kicked out a whole domestic club from their association. A domestic club that this guy coached at. For most on that committee it was about furthering opportunities for their kids, for other's on the committee that didn't have kids, they were persuaded by older people on the merits of sacking him. In my time in sport I've seen plenty of this sort of stuff done by parents but this one takes the cake.