Mate, if Neil put as much effort into the JNR referee's on a sat morning and Friday nite then we would be leading Australia in up and coming referee's. Instead we are the laughing stock, cause our Referee's director is to busy worring about a stupid web page that nobody's going to read. Well done BASA on another great choice on how to get basketball in this state up and running properly. 5 STARS

phantom - you have to walk before you can run.

The problem of refs not being available is being addressed directly through the 'availabilty form' which is now accessed off the site.

All up-coming referee courses are now publicised online, adressing the issue of poor communication which is evident across all basketball levels (IMO).

This website will allow for awards or accolades acheived by referees to be shown the public, giving the refs something to assire to.

I think it is a great step in the right direction!

Agreed. As long as it doesn't detract from real-world action, it's a positive.

Great idea. But in the meantime, we have little or no recruitment of referee's that are able to handle ABA, Reserves and Div 1 juniors.

So the few that have stuck around will ref in comp's where they are out of their depth. Do a sh*tty job and get depressed because somebody has a go at them. They will then quite and somebody else who isn't good enough will get a game and do a job that is just as bad and the cycle will continue.

A web site will not fix the problem. Recruitment and education.

There are going to be no good referee's coming through if u don't educate te referee's on a sat morning and friday nite. It has nothing to do with availablity forms. I do feel sorry for guys like Matt Coombe, Alex Jordan(wanker) and Joel ekers who have been thrown into the deep end. I saw matt coombe ref with Wayne on sat nite and matt was so far out of this depth it was a farce. But the group of kids that we have coming through now, need a lot of work if they are ever going to be ready for senior basketball. If we have guys like matt, alex and joel that can't even do a good job or contol a U16 or U18 boys game then what hope do we have for the younger ref's coming through. But instead spending time on a web page is more of a benefit to the refereeing community. Yeah that makes sense.

phantom -

there are many problems with ref's no one is denying that. Here is how the website is going to help those kids on a friday and saturday night.

-Website has availability form
-UIC's get more time to do rosters
-UIC's can identify if more ref's are required.
-This means UIC's will (less often) need to umpire.
-As UIC's are umpiring less, they are watching more.
-UIC's are able to provide feedback to all their refs, rather than having to fill gaps in rosters as is the status quo.
-These refs get more feedback, and are able to imporve quicker and more effieciently.

do you get it now?

Sorry I must be a bit slow today, how does a web site help get UIC's more time to do rostering. If its because the ref's can go to the web site to get n/a forms, instead of having it posted out then that is just basa being anal. and cost cuting, like they have been doing to the ref's for the last how many years.
In response to the UIC helping younger ref's. Im sure the Port Adel, Wayville and Mars UIC are all very good teachers, when they are not sitting on their arse in the bar or in Port Adel case catching up the door lady.
THe only UIC's out there that want to c their ref's improve would be Dan from M/Vale, Mike from Marion, Chris from Starplex, and Josh from H/crest.
I c ur point, it is good that something is being done but the refereeing situation in this state is only going to get worse very quickly.

Dr Dunkenstein,

I am yet to see an UIC talk to a ref during or after a game! Even at stadiums where there are enough too go around, all I see is somebody sitting around who thinks that their job is to program ref's for the games.

The UIC are not even good enough to ref high standard games. How are they going to be able to educate ref's so that they can improve to that standard.

Up at the Hillsone night, Neil had the chance of allowing two young ref's to ref the games and for him to evaluate them. Instead he chose to do the games himself and have his wife with him. Looks to me like they made a bit more monmey that night and stoppe the development of a couple of young ref's. If this is the attitude at the top then what is going to chance. Nothing!!!

Phantom

and Matt @ Pasadena.

Okay, i'll try to slow it down a bit for you.

Situation at the moment. UIC's ring their umpires during the week to organise them for friday and saturday games etc. = weeks notice

The availability form (if you took the time to have a look before shooting your mouth off) is a monthly form. = 4 weeks notice.

I appreciate some people dont know their work roster a month in advance or whatever, but at least the UIC's can get some refs organised weeks (plural) in advance, and a guage on how many people they have.

Its not perfect, but its a start, and its better! Get it now?

LMAO. Thats why we are the laughing stock. Way to go Neil!!!!!

I am aware of how the system works, but u still didn't answer my question. How does have a web site make it easier for UIC'S. I have been a UIC before, and damn I wish I have a web site to make it easier for me.

what is LMAO??

damn you are having a slow day!

Website has a monthly availabilty form. Monthly avaiablilty means more time for UICs to orgainse rosters. More time for rosters means having to do less games themselves. Less games themselves means being able (whether they take it upon themselves or not) to watch the junior and other umpires. Being able to watch and monitor other umpires means they can give more feedback. More feedback means more efficient umpire improvement.

did you follow that?

Or,

Easier for them to sit on their buts and get paid $60, or whatever it is to d nothing.

anon - did have availablity forms, haven't for a little while, weren't effective. hopefully now, with it publically availabile it will be more effecitive.

JPS - i think you may be making gross generalisations. have a look at Wayville's Neil or Matt, or Pasadena's Matt. I see them regularly and they all are uite involved in junior umpries development.

U have totally miss the point. Having a web site will not make it easrier for a UIC, for the purpose of the hole monthly purpose. It has been the same for at least the last 10 years with the email or posting out. Now some IT geek from NSW want to help improve refereeing in SA by making a web site available for UIC to help them with rostering. Yeah that make a lot of sense. Well done.
P.S. the clown at wayville on Sat morning sorry UIC knows nothing about the game, coulnd't handle a div4 mens game so how on earth is he going to be able to teaching jnr ref's about the game.

PHANTOM - You are more than welcome to come out to PASADENA on a Friday night and you will see me talking to referees during time-outs and qtr time and half time. If you don't see me watching Court 1, I am probably watching Court 2 or Court 3. If not, I might be at the front desk organising situations there. If neither of these things are occurring, then quite possibly, I am umpiring games!

"THe only UIC's out there that want to c their ref's improve would be Dan from M/Vale, Mike from Marion, Chris from Starplex, and Josh from H/crest."

I think all UICs want to see their referees improve!

JUST PLAIN STUPID - "Easier for them to sit on their buts and get paid $60, or whatever it is to d nothing."

First of all, we do not get paid $60.

Second of all, we do actually DO something.
Do you see referees at the stadiums? Yes. Thus, the UIC has had to contact them and find out their availability.
Do you see referees umpiring the games? Yes. Thus, the UIC has filled out a roster, accommodating all of their officials.
Do you see referees at one stadium changing from one Friday to the next? Yes. Thus, some referees have become available for that week and the UIC has had to ring around and find new refs. Also, sometimes the notification has come on a Thursday night or a Fri when a referee is sick. Trying to organise a replacement at the last minute is extremely stressful.


According to the refs website, their is a UIC Position Available for Sat mornings. Anybody thinking that this position is easy, and you are willing to "sit on your butt and get paid $60, or whatever it is to do nothing" (as "Just Plain Stupid" incorrectly put it), then please ring Neil.


I want to see all of my referees improve! Seeing some of them attend the Australian Junior Country Cup in Albury at the beginning of their year, and even some of them being selected to referee at the Nationals this year, has made me very proud of them. I want my referees to succeed, as do all UICs!

Matt, I saw u friday nite and u were standing there in between crt1 and 2. WE had a problem on crt 1 and even when asked if u could watch these two ref's u just stood there. Didn't approach them during a time out or a relevant game break. U just stood there talking to a ex ABL ref and didn't do a thing. Now as well as educating ref being a UIC is also about PR. But seening matt u can't even get a GF at a county cup then are u sure u should be a UIC or maybe still learning from a more experienced UIC. Sorry Joel Ekers doesn't count.

P.S daniel hughes is doing the UIC thing on a sat morning at M/Vale, much better than daniel troy. Hat off to u Dan Hughes

Phantom, I believe I know who you are now.

In relation to the "problem" that you alluded to, I spoke to the referees about your concerns after the game, when I had more time to explain it.

I believe I should be a UIC and I am constantly trying to improve. I accept constructive feedback and am willing to work on new things.

I would be happy to address the "no GF at a county cup" issue with you, but not on here.

Thanks again for the input Phantom (and I genuinely mean that). No hard feelings!

anon - yes

matt - lol, no u do make a good UIC. But ur experience would be used much better on the court with them. Soz about the country cup that was a low blow. My main beef is with this KNOB Neil that is more concerend with a stupid web site than improving jnr ref's on a fri nite and sat morn.

Phantom - All good mate! As I said, "no hard feelings"...and i mean it!

You know I'm only joking when I have a go at you about that "organ" thing....but I wouldn't do it on here. In person, fine, don't have a problem....Problem was it was on here.

As I said, no hard feelings! It's all good mate!

lmao very good matt. u do know who i am. nice work

Hey Phantom,

People can have a go at me about my "organ" thing too....or more to the point, "LACK OF organ" thing!

(PS. I won't tell anyone!)

Matt by ur organ problem I have a solution. VIAGRA

I'd like to apologise for taking this thread on a different tangent....

Back to the issue of the ref's website!

phantom -

"My main beef is with this KNOB Neil that is more concerend with a stupid web site than improving jnr ref's on a fri nite and sat morn"

I can't explain it any more clearly to you, seems you have your mind made up anyway, what does this sort of close-mindedness do for our game?

If you have individual issus (re:matt friday night), address them individually instead of trying to take down ref's as a group.

That is very sad Dr Dunkenstein. My main beef is the waste of money and resources on a web site, instead of jnr referee's. For some reason ur the one that has brought this rubbish about N/A forms. With regards to UIC'S, I am not bagging the job that they do as I know from experience that it is a hard and time consuming job. Everybody knows that the number of referee's in this state is decrease at a very fast rate. I just think that the money should be put into, maybe the referee getting a pay increase or other incentives like a free pie or donut for referee's that spend all night or all morning at a basketball stadium. NOW DO U UNDERSTAND MY BEEF

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i'm not going to lower to your levels on this forum to rebut that rubbish, you've got my e-mail, Take the initiative .

lol the truth hurts. Just go back to ur little corner of the world and keep dreaming wanker......

anon u make some good points. The money would be better spend elsewhere though. eg. jnr referee's

now you've gone and done it. I really dont like people who gloat about themselves on this forum, but when you talk so much rubbish...

I played Juniors Div 1, went to Albury as a Junior, started at Albury as a top age 18. I have been to the USA twice to play ball, the second time as the captain of the senior team. I played reserves for two years while in 20's, i dont play reserves anymore because i have other things in my life and can't commit to trainings. Hence why i am div4 player/coach and still probably half your age.

back to the topic, If there was a perfect solution BASA would implement that, unitl you can provide one, they have to try different things, some will work, some wont. I support them trying things, whatever they are. It is better than sitting on your hands hoping. If you have a better way to fix a problem, BASA, i am sure would gladly hear it.

I can't break it down for you any more, you haven't followed my logic at all yet.

oh Dr what ever u are so amazing, we are all not worthly to be on here. Good to see that u have also been to top referee as well. Until u know something about refereeing i think u should stick to ur has been career.

no, "sorry doc, i shouldn't have said your too old to play". or "sorry doc, maybe you can play some."

Although i didn't really expect it, all you have been is rude, narrow-minded, negative and presumptuous.

Dont try to remove your foot from your mouth just to swap feet. I haven't been a top referee, but i have told Neil (UIC) and Matt (UIC) that i will help out whenever i can.

Its weird how some people can take what was intened to be a 'pat-on-the-back" for a pro-active move and turn it into a dirt slinging match.

anon - in the most, yes.

except for
(#39679) - critiscm without reason, sarcasm, negativity
(#39702) - sarcasm and more negativity, without basis.
(#39725) - nothing post.
(#39748) - personal attack (did use some facts)
(#39762) - admits his real problem is with one person at management.
(#39804) - changed beef, but some valid points.
(#39813) - personal attack
(#39818) - nothing post
(#39826) - sarcasm and took his right foot out of his mouth only to cram in his left!

im sorry, but all i can see negativity and personal agenda's getting in the way of what i had intended would be a positive thread. I should wish as much.

Just ignore him Lachy.

Wow, is this post to be continued?Great reading............hey Lachie, what you've achieved and what you will contiue to achieve is an absolute credit to ya kid!! Keep it up.

Hey guys,

I found out some info about this website.

It is not funded by Neil or anyone involved with BASA. In fact, it is a free page set up by Basketball Australia. It's the same case with the clubs putting up their websites, with links from BASA: it is a free page by Basketball Australia. Thus, I think it is unfair to say that Neil is "spending money" on this website (when in fact, he isn't).

Also, this information, ie Availability forms, and the like have also been on the website before now. It is only now in just the one place! Neil gathered all that information and put it in the one spot.

Just some information I have found out. If I know of any more, I will post it!

Great to see we've got a web site now, it'll become quite useful! Less time hassling Neil for stuff via phone or email because it's already online!!

It's a positive move in the right direction!! GOOD WORK :)