There is a deterrent, techs for flopping only issue is we need a ref with some nuts to call it

Had no impact on result, best team all season won, congrats Perth after two tough GF losses.

But it was an incredible step backwards from three of the best refs in two areas where I thought there'd been some decent progress this year - flopping and how they call the charge/block. A shame.

Get over it, players do whatever to get a foul whether it be nbl afl. It's up to the refs to contain it. Don't blame the players. Cats 6 time champions

I actually think the refs, overall, did a pretty good job. A much better series to watch than the rugby like play allowed in last year's series.

As for the flopping, I actually think it's better to just not call anything and let the play continue if the ref's think it's a flop. If you flop and don't get the call, you're basically one defender down and the team with the ball has an advantage. It also keeps the game flowing instead of stopping it for free throws.

Of cause it makes a huge impact on the game. After one or two flops of cause that is going to affect the team who are getting fouls against them, they are going to drive differently, they are going to fight over the screens differently they are going to be less aggressive on the rebounds. To say that it doesn't have any impact on the game other than the single foul is a joke and very naive.

Any nbl fan please answer this. Do you actually think its a good idea to resort to flops to get calls that often wouldn't be called?

Carfino, mentioned flopping way to many times when they weren't. Commentators influencing the perception of what a flop is.
Saw a tweet, can't remember who, but maybe some are not great at balance and no threshold for pain.
Also, players do what they can to win. You don't like it, don't watch it. What soccer, urgh wait....
Years later, people aren't going to remember players for flopping, they will look at them as smart players who played the way they wanted and won. Redhage being one of them.
Its up to refs to call it.

Sore losers, please!!!
Most 36ers fans would say Perth deserved to win it best team all year and it showed today, but the flopping Redhedge & Knight do is weak as piss for their size.
I've used the same tactic myself when you know the ref will fall for it when it's someone twice your size. Those 2 use it when the smallest players on the floor breathe on them.
I just don't understand how NBL refs still fall for it when it's highlighted so much.

Saw looser

"Congratulations Perth on the title."

Admit that was damn hard to type....

You just need refs to not call charges when players flop.

It's up to the refs to call it. But I must admit it's a pretty gutsy call to make either way when it's live.

No doubt Perth deserved to win the series, but I agree that the flopping in today's game was a disgrace. It's not just this game though. Unfortunately the NBL's refs prove time and again that they just aren't up to calling a balanced game. They are so easily conned and it affects the game to the point that away teams know that they can't attack the basket or play defence with any aggression. IMO the only way to win a final on the road in the NBL is to just shoot the lights out, because you're not going to be allowed to compete evenly on the physical side of the game.

Hmm...I don't recall the outrage at the flops by Schenser and Teys in the first quarter of game 2.

^^^ LOL

Agree there should be the threat of suspension from a league review for really blatant flops, but for plays where there is actually contact but not enough to warrant a charge it should just be a no call if the defender falls over.

Some of the calls that went in Perth's favour today were atrocious. As much as I'm happy to win, I'd kinda like to see a fair fight. Not to take away from Perths outstanding execution but it's silly to reward them for some of the things that did or didn't happen.

I'm also still hungover/drunk so I may rethink this comment later.

Commiserations to the Sixers and their fans. It was a great season for you guys.

Perth deserved the win - best team all year and this series. Well done to the cats.

Redhage is the best flopper to ever play in the league and unfortunately that is what most people will remember him as - not a great legacy.

When commentators, past players, neutral fans are all calling you out on it not much else needs to be said. NBL needs to ban players from games next season to stamp this out.

According to Wildcat fans we had the 'best' umpire in the world and if he cannot pick a flop then what hope do we have unless players start missing games

Techs are not the solution.

Referee training is.

The tech rule is currently in place and I've never seen it used on a wildly overt flop. I don't watch as much NBL as some, but I've only ever seen it used on 50/50 calls that could have gone either way. Which is not the intent of the rule.

Earlier this year for example I saw Russell Hinder called for a flop tech in what was an actual offensive foul (offensive player charged, but Hinder embellished the contact and took a dive as well so both parties were guilty. Wouldn't have been a flop under the NBA's interpretation because the contact was legitimate and Hinder didn't really sell it very hard but got whistled for the tech. This was in a one possession game with a minute or so left, which effectively ended the game right there on a stupid technicality.)

The NBA has done a great job of cleaning up flopping (albeit it's still very much a work in progress and will get better), and I don't think it's because of the fine system: it's because refs will more often than not get the call on the floor right and call a no-call a no-call, a charge a charge, and a block a block; regardless of theatrical embellishment and salesmanship.

I would also like to add that as a neutral viewer of that game 3 (ie. not an Adl or Perth fan with a vested interest), I found the entire thing pretty much disgusting to watch as a basketball fan, and pretty much the worst advertisement for our sport I could think of.

Of course Perth would have probably won anyway, but that's beside the point, because the outcome had no importance to me as a neutral viewer. As sports entertainment it was entirely devoid of any value.

The league has created a rod for its own back with the flopping. They rewarded it for years in the Goorjian Kings era, a defensive player will not get a call unless he sells it, and the refs seem to want to either let contact go or call an emphatic charge. Sure, it's tough to make the correct interpretation on the spur of the moment , so I think a fine system should be introduced.

The refs have enough to worry about than trying to determine a guy falling over was legit or not, because they have got plenty of flop warnings wrong too.

Such a shame a great season by Perth is being somewhat overshadowed by this.

Redhage is an arsehole.

He's the bloke who everyone hates (except Perth fans. obvs).

Fine him, deregister him, deport him.....blah blah (tongue in cheek).

Hope the league stamps out the flopping. Bad press is the last thing the league needs. Carfino didn't help by mentioning flopping consistently throughout the call.

Well done Carcus.....

Refs = 34 point differential.

Seriously, the grapes...they are sour.

I reckon the unwarranted* booing is just as bad as the flopping in terms of the spectacle / quality of product.

Adelaide are the worst fans for it. Hopefully this will ease off next year.

* Unwarranted is when it's premeditated and not spur of the moment based on something which has happened on the floor. ie; if someone strikes a home team player or flops badly or spits the dummy etc then booing is great (and encouraged). The idea of booing someone because they are a star is BULLSH!T and must stop IMO

Whoops, sorry.
What exactly was Mal Cooper brought back into basketball to achieve?
To make it more entertaining and in Hollywood style ? (no pun)
The flopping must be part of that.

Flopping doesn't make you lose by 34 points

How didn't flops have an impact? You take those fouls out the game and there wouldn't have been any big Perth runs. Fairly simple idea to grasp

There's a difference between the few really obvious (and disgusting) flops that Redhage did today, and the fighting for defensive position and having the ref call an offensive foul... You can't put Knight, (who would fall into the latter category, despite overselling a few things) in the same bag as some of the crap that Redhage pulled today... I don't think the thing with Carter was too suss, it certainly looked like Carter got all up on him, so it's not a stretch for the old man to take a tumble, Carter's reaction and subsequent refs call is entirely Carter's fault.

I just cringed whenever the defensive player wasn't set and instead of a line call being a no call, it was registered as an offensive foul... Fixing this, as well as an after-match review for the over dramatic soccer-like performances, I think will go a long way to tidying up the game. Like Mick (I think?) said above, we don't want to punish the 50/50 calls, as often the punishment outweighs the crime, we want to stamp out the dramatic ones and I think if the players knew that those sorts of things would get a review after the game and sanctions such as fines and suspensions for multiple offenders will get applied, we'll see them pull their heads in...

i think the refs have shown an inability to correctly call flopping and it ruins the game.

i think having a weekly review whereby the nbl can review the games and hand out fines and even game bans for repeat offenders would stamp it out.

what are the cons of instituting such a thing?

i cant think of any bar the time/cost which should be minimal. i mean someone at nbl should already be reviewing games already.

the pros would be obvious. stamping out a hideous part of our game that has been getting worse. video review would allow people to make an informed choice and decision based on evidence.

if a player has been fined and knows the next time he does it he will fined much more or banned for a game he will be less inclined to flop and more inclined to stay on his feet and try to make a real defensive play at the ball, which is what we all love to see.

i mean , who wants to see matty knight fall over when you could see him make a defensive play at the ball? i know what fans would rather see and what is better for the game.

Clearly the flopping has to stop. Mal Cooper really needs to look at this in the off season. Cats benefited from a lot of calls today and throughout the series, result could of been different overall. A lot of sixers fans and other fans not happy with the flopping and the way the Wildcats go about playing the game.

What about the call on wag staff, where Cadee drove and jumped up/forward and passed then landed on/near wag staff and hit the deck like a sniper shot out his knees!

First call on Petrie for the game would have been a great call if Aylen called a double. Both players doing the wrong thing and initiating contact.

1 foul each simple education that if you want to carry on, it's going to cost you both a foul and no one benefits.

I love it how people post like they were in the teams and some how team x winning was their doing, the charges/flops their fault.

Objectivity please.

Perhaps focus on what you'd like to see next season rather than dwelling on the terrible series we just had.

Bring on the NBA finals. They know how to rig a game so it's still close.

I think the cats supporters are missing the point. I doubt you'd find a 6ers supporter that thinks the refs cost them the game. You can't win too many games scoring 60 points and shooting at 30%. That's what lost them game 3. That said something needs to be done about flopping next season. Seriously, the Perth court must be the cleanest in the league as every second play someone slides 6feet across the floor. No call would be a good start, then a few techs followed by reviews and fines. Wouldn't take much to get it out of the game. On the positive side great turn around from the sixers this season. Let's hope most of the group can stay together next season and go one step better.

Alexkrad, I've just read my 250th post on this grand final game and I don't think a single 36ers fan has said that the 36ers would have won this game if it wasn't for the refs' calls. There is however a lot to be said on how the game has been officiated and the disgraceful tactics employed by the Wildcats.

Also I would like to add, game 1 of the grand final series saw Perth 47 times to the free throw line compared to 13 for the 36ers. There was a lot of errors in officiating in that game that went Perth's way. The 36ers lost it by 7 points. What a difference this grand final series would have been if the first game was called fairly and then the 36er won the 2nd game at home. Today could have been a total non event.

Boti just put a post about flopping up on his blog and as much as the timing seems like sour grapes I agree it's an issue that needs to be addressed, and pretty urgently.

If the NBL truly wants to grow in the Aussie sports market, it can't be a league renowned for exactly the type of shenanigans that the average aussie sports fan despises. We take the piss out of soccer for this stuff, and the NBL is at serious risk of being lumped into the same category if it continues down the current path.

This season was supposed to be about the benefit of the doubt returning to its rightful place - with the player on offence. That was very much the case early in the season. Gotta wonder how we ended up back here back at square 1 with what happened today.
As I joined in with a shitload of *trumpet music* "Charge!" shouts during the game today, I couldn't help but shout "Not!" after many of them, such was my guilt about getting those calls in our favour.

Have the refs forgotten that just not blowing their whistle is still an option for them?

I really don't blame the players for diving on board the flopping bandwagon. Seriously, it is smart to do so if the refs are rewarding them. Further to that, it's almost silly not to. Players who let their integrity as basketballers get in the way of their flopping are actually costing their team.

I really don't like it. I hate it when my team's players get in foul trouble because of it, and I feel bad when they're rewarded for doing it themselves. And it's bad for the game.

I really hope the NBL takes a legit stand on it next season and sticks with it.

EC conveniently forgets that Adelaide also got home cooking on Friday and the Cats lost by less.

You are all missing the point these are prof players they like AFL NRL NBA or any other prof sport will take any advantache they can get its not cheating they are playing for there jobs

I said earlier that I was baffled by some of the calls and flops that Perth were being rewarded with. But as Boti has just said, EVERY team has floppers. Highlighting the "worst" or singling out those that play for a team you really dislike will not solve anything.

Marcus, it doesn't change my point. If game 1 was fairly called, it could have gone Adelaide's way. The 7 point loss was far less than the potential points that could have been gained if they didn't have to wear mistaken fouls. A 3 point win at home in game 2 would have sealed it.

Could have, would have, should have, EC just accept the sixers loss.

EC, in game one Adelaide were playing very tentatively. They were shooting floaters and jump shots. You are not going to get rewarded with foul shots when you play like that. Perth were attacking the basket and that contributed to a lot of the shooting fouls.

I've said this before, at the end of the third quarter in game 1, the foul count was 20-16 (Sixers had 20). They were losing by 12. The foul count ended up being 26-19 (if you don't count the six intentional fouls in the final minute) yet Adelaide cut the margin to 7.

All that tells us is that repeating the discrepancy in fouls and free throws does not tell you that there is where the game was won or lost.

Flopping is weak and pathetic. If we wanted to see stuff like that we would watch soccer

Aaaaaah Jack - at half time with the lack of goals I thought you'd sent Adelaide Utd over

Jack...so is kneeing other players in the groin and punching the opposition coach....but Sixers fans don't have a problem with that.

Weak and pathetic is scoring 59 points in a grand final.

Flopping is weak and pathetic.

Perth deserved the series win but game 1 officiating was a disgrace. 47 to 13 free throws. Take out the 5 fouls in the last 55 seconds and it is 37 - 13. Still seens lopsided to me. For the record game 1 was the most lopsided grand final game in NBL history. If you take the 10 foul shots off at the end it is the second most lopsided game but that game was 48 minutes long. Perth fans were crying foul after game 2 when there was a difference of 6 FT's. If these statswete reversed and you also were on the end of the flops you would questioning this as well

Carfino certainly fed the perception of flopping, I don't think it was too bad either way and in any event, it's the refs jobs to call the foul or the flop so it's their problem. Carfino also admitted to bias in his call for game 2 because he wanted to see a game 3. Time for Carfino to go I think, the commentating team to be lead by Jeff Van G.

Absolutely time for Carfino to go. His call of Game 3 was disgraceful. Really did initiate more fire into the whole flopping issue. Yes there was flopping, but Carfino made it out to be a lot worse than it actually was.

His call yesterday further reinforces a long time suspicion that he's always hated the Cats. And that is not good for the "lead" commentator.

Would like to see him go completely, or be relegated to colour commentary only (which he's good at) on a part time basis.

I liked the fact that Carfino was highlighting the bad flopping, and by that i mean not the falling back in a charge/block situation, to me that's not flopping, i mean falling over when someome simply blocks out on a rebound.

Kudos to Carfino.

Flopping did not affect the result.

Flopping affected the spectacle.

Basketball in Australia is no longer my No. 1 sport.

Are we that short on commentators that Steve Carfino is the best we have? Imo he should stick to kings games.

"I lost interest after Redhage started flopping, man I hate that guy."

+1

If Carfino was balanced, he would have made comment that there was no need for Carter nor Gibson to initiate contact with Redhage off the ball. They did, and he made sure the refs saw it. Carter then followed up with an undisciplined verbal spray that saw him get a tech.

Both incidents were a case of poor discipline from Adelaide players yet Carfino chose to focus on the reaction rather than the initiation.

Think there are many things the league needs to fix up. Flopping is a significant one. So is the disciplinary system and the need to create tougher sanctions for unprofessional conduct.
Both ADL and PER have done some silly things this year - Perth with the flopping and ADL with Joey swinging and Ervin kneeing Goulding.

Neither team has being an angel this year.

I think the thing everyone can take away is that you shouldn't judge a team, its fans and the entire city based on what one or two persons did.

Ervin and Joey were the ones who made mistakes, so don’t go attacking everyone else connected with the team.

Redhage and Ennis were the ones flopping/acting like brats, so don’t go attacking everyone else connected with the team.

A few NBL greats are also hypocritical. I'm not sure why Sav has taken it upon himself to be captain of the Flop Police but he never seems to make mention of Demos, Hinder, Wortho and others flopping.

I think most unbiased fans hate flopping, the only people who ever like that is when it benefits them, but to be honest i hate seeing it all times, and wish no one ever did it.

Stamp it out NBL, tech them, fine them, get them to stop, no matter what team they play for its ugly and ruins the game.

^ Yep - every team has its villains. Even the loveable battlers Wollongong and Townsville :) It just seems like an awful lot of attacking against big bad Perth.

I don't think anyone actually likes it, biased or unbiased. The bias is shown when certain circles only complain when one team, or a few players from that team, does it.

I never thought Wortho was that bad for flopping.
I'll pay more attention.

I must admit, he isn't as bad as he used to be. That might be because he doesn't play with much effort any more ;-)

If the NBL is serious about stopping the flops why don't they do something about it. Get tougher on it by all means. Perth are not the only floppers in the NBL despite what you read on this forum.

@marcus i'm an Adelaide fan and was outraged when Ervin kneed Goulding. I don't care what anyone did or said before that incident happened there is no excuse for that kind of behaviour. I was glad he was punished for it by being banned for a game

Jake, free throw attempts yesterday were dead even. Perth won by 34. Your stats mean nothing.

Video review is the only adequate option. Financial penalty or suspension (as Boti suggested) is the decision to be made. Something like Goulding in SF2 where it was a completely obvious flop should be penalised significantly to wipe out the practice.

Saviour the victory @thesituation. We have all said the better team this year won the series.

But if you want to bang on then......

Game one was the most lopsided game in NBL grand final history!!! We now are only playing 40 minutes so it shows how lopsided it really was We lost by 7.

Your team and in particular Flopage has been called out by the media, ex players and neutral fans. Even ex wildcats players are embarrassed about his flopping. Great legacy to have being the biggest flopper in NBL history.

The stats over the series show the NBL we be reviewing this and that changes will be made. Look at the G2 thread and see all the Wildcat fans banging on

Game 3 would have been far better had the Perth Wild Flops not come out in force and the umpires had not seen it for what it was. If they cut that rubbish out they still would of won and the game and it would have been far better to watch, and a far closer contest. Some of what went on was farcical, Shawn Redhage is a disgrace, the quicker he retires the better and Matt Knight is not out there to impersonate a feather. As a sixes fan I think the club coach and players should all hold there heads high despite a game3 that was painful in the extreme. Perth had a fantastic team and know one could say they weren't deserving winners, we should just be talking about them being deserving winners but we are not. Every sport has its equivalent and no fan of any sport likes seeing it, the "GAME" is the loser in the end.

Perth you were awesome but look in the mirror if you don't like this thread

daerht siht ekil t'nod uoy fi rorrim eht ni kool tub emosewa erew uoy htreP.

Three years ago, Redhage was told he'd never walk again. It took him a while and a shitload of hard work but he has not only overcome that early prognosis, but has bounced back to have a great sesson and win another title. That is in no way an excuse for him to flop but for fans to pretend his flopping is all they'll remember him for, instead of what he has achieved, is pretty ordinary. Hell, I even wished Hinder well in retirement and I never had a good word to say about him.

Redhage deserves just a tad more respect than the shit he cops.

Respect is earned not just given. He may have earned respect for his comeback but has lost it with his unsportsmanlike conduct.

I still think the good far outweighs the bad.

I think a lot of Sixers fans would agree kneeing someone in the nuts or chasing another coach around a court is weak a piss but they were in old threads and we're talking about flopping in this one.

Redhage will tangle someone up and when they try get free will act like he's got shot.

I actually did the same thing he does to the man himself about 10 years ago and him and his team mates looked like they wanted to kill me.
I did it because I didn't have his talent or size and he was killing us. It was a last resort.

I understand you've got to sell fouls to the refs but he oversells it, especially with someone with his talent and size against someone half his size.

Hey 6ers fans easy fix - finish on top of the ladder and then you can sit back and listen to the morally courageous posters attack you (but you've still won so who cares).

Flopping is annoying but no way is it the epidemic being cited on here.

Also in regards to Redhage - Joey obviously gave instruction to rough him in game 3, bump ...bump..bump and he throws his hands up and gets the foul. Stupid coaching and it was Adelaide's ill discipline and questionable court roster that cost this game.

Personally I hope Joey believes his hard luck story, if flopping was eliminated through fines/fouls ...hate to break it to you - Perth still win.

I think a lot of people on here are confusing selling a foul and flopping. Selling a foul is legitimate play. That is when a playing charges into your chest and you go down or your are legitimately fouled. Flopping is when a player brushes against you and you act like Shaq just ran into you at full speed and then shot you. Contact is allowed in basketball. It is the over selling of 50/50 or even no calls that results in the refs calling an over the top number of charges or lose ball fouls that needs to be stamped out. Any game with 50 free throws taken is not fun to watch at all.the referees are 100% to blame as they are both inconsistent an easily influenced.

Maxymoo - as constantly stated Perth Deserving winners and are an outstanding team

The Situation - Respect is hard earn't and easily lost, you can't fight reality

That's fine but Gary Ervin's NBL career won't be defined by kneeing someone in the nuts or for starting a melee for no reason. He'll cop shit about it but he will ultimately be remembered for his good play and MVP season. I dislike him immensely but I'd be an idiot if I said "the sooner he retires the better"

Anonymous you obviously don't remember the severity of Redhage's hip injury. It doesn't matter that most people east of the nullabor hate him he helped Perth to a title.

Thanks for setting me straight anon. You clearly understood the point I was making.

The Situation - Redhage is a cereal offender when it comes to over acting and flopping. That said " sooner he retires the better " will take that back, going too far. Wont defend Ervin on what you have mentioned.
Redhage is far too good to carry on the way he does and deserves to be criticised

Redhage is a player you love when he's on your team & hated when he's the opposition.
Of course being on one of the best performing teams who was again for the 3rd year in a row on the grand stage the finals are, highlights it even more.

He has a few years to play and if he continues with flopping it could tarnish what has been a great career. People can have very short memories.

In regards to hating on Perth I admit watching the Wildcats over the last couple years I noticed they seem to piss me off more than any other team and I hated all teams over the past decade because we've never been good enough.

It was little things like watching Wagstaff get in between people and the ball when they were trying to grab it and inbound the ball after a basket and Lisch was just anoying to me for no good reason but could really ball.

Martin is the one I couldn't stand a couple of years ago but love watching now .

Cereal offender Murdoch. Think you meant serial offender. If you're struggling with English cats4life can give you some assistance.

Fuck off anon. I checked two articles since your outburst and both said that he was told he would never walk "properly". My mistake. It still doesn't change the fact that you're too stupid to understand the point, or have the maturity to correct my error like an adult.

"Redhage is a player you love when he's on your team & hated when he's the opposition. ".

Fair call, and I think that goes for players too. He's essentially a one-club player (yes, anon, I know he briefly played for the Breakers) so he hasn't built that rapport that plenty of other players have with each other.

I don't believe Redhage is especially liked by much of his own team. But yes, often a very effective player whatever you think of him.

Hey Roger - you hold that head high , Gibbo/Petrie bitching after any call, Carter propelling himself sideways in game 2 to get a charge on Ennis ....though you stay noble.

Dress it up all you like, I'm not bitter and Perth were the better team ....BUT....

Redhage is a champ and has the W to prove it.

You lost, build a bridge and if you want to attack faking - you got a couple of targets too.

Defend Redhage all you like.

The guy is the biggest flopper in NBL history. He has been called out big time across the country after this series.

Ask some of the Wildcat legends what they think of the flopping.

When your own teammates disprove of your play and your not that well liked within your team it sums it up really.

Sources for these "facts" or it didn't happen people.

Whom at the Wildcats doesn't 'like' Redhage and your source please.

Lots of big statements without basis here.

Redhage was set to leave the Wildcats 2 years ago. Perth fought hard to keep him by moving on the people he didnt like. Others haven't been given the same graces and have got pay increases to cover it.

Jake will hear and believe anything he chooses, and extrapolate it in to something he thinks is a fact.

Sorry Jake I was trying to speak to the Cats players but the flapping of the Championship banner, constant playing of 'We Are The Champions' and chinking of champagne glasses meant it was too hard to hear them

knight looks the silliest, while flophage lovers enjoy it

Maxymoo - not talking about whinging to umpires talking about a " Serial " ( thanks Steven will be contacting cats4life for some much needed assistance ) flopper. No one is an Angel and everyone has their moments but Redhage makes an art form of it and does it constantly. Flopping is the most irritating thing in basketball and I hope people whinge long and hard about anyone who constantly does it as Redhage will continue to do. Have been complaining about Redhage oscar credentials for a long time. I take it you enjoy players getting a foul for a flop.

Redhage supposedly not liked within his own team sounds fictional to me unless someone can prove otherwise.

"I take it you enjoy players getting a foul for a flop."

No not at all. I think most people's issue with this discussion is that criticism is only ever directed at Redhage. Is he the worst? No. He is up there as one of the worst though but we never hear about Demos, Hinder, Bruton, Madgen etc.

Do you guys actually want to stamp out flopping, or just find a reason to have a whinge about something Perth does....again?

Redhage IMO is the worst and his reputation is earnt, no not the only one clearly but he has brought this on himself. Why on gods earth would anyone not want to get rid of it. No one likes it, Perth most of all should see why its not good. Would it not be better if we were talking about a great 3 game series going to Perth in the decider and great crowds in Perth and Adelaide.

So stop talking about it.

"Redhage is the worst by a long long way!"

Chalk that comment up as someone who is only complaining about it because Perth does it.

Let it go Adelaide.

I think the league needs to stamp out hypocrisy. It's a blight on the game to see fans and players complain about the antics of one team, while ignore those same antics when its done by their own team, or former team mates.

Since my first post all Ive done is reply, if the NBL take notice I hope people keep talking about it until there is nothing to talk about.

Look, I agree that Redhage is bad, but it's a problem that's been in the game for years. It comes down to the referees. If the players didn't have to 'sell' a foul, and the game called the way it should be interpreted, the problem wouldn't exist.
I may be showing my age but one of our all time biggest floppers/ exagerator of fouls in the league was also out most decorated, Andrew Gaze, with CJ Bruton a close second. Although I loved Gaze, I think the way the referees had him as a protected species started the ball rolling on the flop era. The same with CJ. Both legends of the game- but both academy award winners too!
So my point, yes Redhage flops (or sells fouls), but he isn't the first and unless the referring stops rewarding it, he won't be the last.

So you're making a mountain out of a molehill in order to try and take the shine of Perth winning again?

Fact is he doesn't flop like a bitch when he's hitting the body on a screen or a dodgy ass hookup through the key! He's a blight on the game, a charge is a charge agree but selling it like he does is weak, Pathetic and he should have been Teched - Piss weak referees to blame.

We have let it go. Wildcat fans are trying to defend the biggest flopper in NBL history. He has been called out by neutral fans, past greats, the media and you cannot accept it . Celebrate your win

We are not defending him Jake. We are saying he isn't the only one, and if flopping is such a blight on the game, why do these neutral fans (ha, thats laughable!) and past greats ONLY talk about flopping when its done by Perth.

Brian Goorjian is considered basketball royalty in this country and his teams, particularly the recent Kings teams, played almost exactly the same way as the recent Cats teams do. Thats why its just laughable that Sav keeps tweeting about flopping. He was always a poor sport though.

What does Andrew Bogut think about flopping?

Ring-ring!

Is it a telephone? No!

Is it a doorbell? No!

What is it?

Redhage's championship ring collection, of course!

I'm a genuine neutral fan (dislike both Adelaide and Perth for differing reasons but ADMIRE the piss out of the Perth organisation and what they've achieved in Perth. Anyone who has been to Perth Arena should agree with me that it's the best game day experience by panels).

Anyway, back to flopping, the reason why everyone gets up Redhage is because he is so easy to hate. Someone in a previous post said he is one of those you either love or hate. His sportsmanship is appalling. He's an arrogant annoying arsehat. But he has game. He has a sweet jumper. To me he's the leagues worst flopper. Earlier this year I thought Wagstaff was at his level but IMO Redhage went to a new level post season.

The league does need to do something. Game 3 was a rubbish spectacle and a little embarrassing (as a neutral fan remember). IMO, Redhage does more harm to the brand than good.

Good old Nate from Perth. The only man in the country that thought the umpires did a great job in Game 1 even though it was the most lopdided foul count in NBL GF history. Not surprised to now see you supporting the biggest flopper in NBL history

Jake, the only man in the country that keeps on blaming the refs despite being told repeatedly how misguided his justification is.

Both sides say they're misguided. Cearly no one's opinion is going to be changed, it's just sniping at this point, fellas.

Nevertheless, a good read.

Agree with Statsheet a good read with Jake providing comic relief

Situation's because i said so attitude in arguments is boring and uninspiring

So you can't find anything to disagree with, just the delivery? Thats cool, says more about the substance of what you're trying to say.

"It's not fair to expect the Refs to police flopping."

It may not be fair but it's their job!

Maybe a post-game review committee should review flops and other controversial calls and make statements about whether they got it right or wrong, and in the case of flopping maybe issue some fines or some other form of deterrent (eg three strikes and your out for a game).

But the NBL aren't really in the habit of dishing out serious penalties.

It's not fair to expect refs to effectively police flopping in real-time.

And no, coaches and players aren't going to do anything about it until there's a serious disincentive. Maybe make it a yellow/red card type situation. Blatant flop like Goulding SF2 is something like a red card and misses the next game. Something a little grey-area is a yellow with a suspended financial penalty attached. Second yellow means you cop the fine plus a game suspension.

There are players who just don't have that blatant cheating (which is what it is) in them. For any that do or are considering it, clean it up and keep it out of the game.