Too many knobs running things. Bring back jenny clarke!!!!

Why did Berry and Schroeder leave? They both coached at Norwood for a long time. What is the problem?

Berry lives in Adelaide so that's not the reason. In any case if the rumours here lately are true he'll be coaching at another club next season. To me that says there's a problem.

Congratulations to Troy Schroeder and good luck to him on his new journey.

I suspect things are dodgy at nwd. Their results plummeting whilst a club out nth reaps the benefits.

Agreed, poor state of affairs. Please help us BSA!!!!

Not sure what the anon poster expects BSA to do? The PAID members need to demand an Executive meeting to execute a swift resolution. Not sure what this postponed AGM is about or results from but it surely shows weakness at the club be it due to an internal squabble or some other issue it's taken to long to resolve and people don't like uncertainty..

Not a fan of the club but its up to the members to demand action and take control.

Jack I agree with all bar 8.

Sturt do! look for "next best thing" they do! certainly approach players and actively recruit better players from other clubs.

The one thing Sturt also does is seems to manage its players well in terms of grouping - building core 1st and second year teams and keeping numbers low.

Whilst forestville and South have 113 teams and surely not 113 quality coaches Sturt have 79 and while they probably don't have 79 quality coaches Quality control, management of players and coaches is a lot easier.

Sadly Sturt have the benefit of "attraction", some coaches want to go there because they get to work with quality players, players want to go there because they get to be on teams full with good players and winning history.

Like Moths to a Flame - Flys to Shit etc etc.

Sturt approach good players from other clubs so point 8 isn't entirely true!

Sturt approach good players from other clubs so point 8 isn't entirely true!

Don't think everything is all too good at sturt! Watch this space announcement imminent

You only see the players that change to Sturt. You don't see the other players that they approach to which families decline

There will be announcement with a coach leaving for another role. Everything at Sturt is not what it seems. As long as Meseche stays at Sturt this will now help basktball in SA

the whole culture at Sturt now is negative. So abusive, angry and nasty. Only coaches who treat players like objects are being promoted.

Lack of respect for players and parents, starts at the top.

But the brand and the brain washing still working well so parents continue to believe you have to play there to win, on the boys side.

Girls program falling apart very quickly.

Sturt attracts coaches because there is no bullshit there. Coaches want to:
-spend most of their time Working with players, not parents
-have communication with their peers that are normal, intelligent ppl. Snds silly but some -clubs seem to attract wierdos as coaches and working with these types is draining.
-players that are motivated and self driven. U have to build an environment that encourages ans supports these traits
- an environment that measures, respects and rewards achievers and eensures accountability
- coaching director that understands pathways for junior athletes, and coaches.
- in an environment that they feel has a vision for their club, players and coaches.
- committees that realise that their 2 yrs of watching jane play u12s does not make them experts and a coaching director thats able to make decisions without a democratic committee on every single decision around selections, plays, team standards etc

U bring this into ur club environment and u will not only attract coaches but players as well. If not, well there are examples of what happens out there

what rubbish

sturt attracts coaches for the same reason it attracts players

because they want to win easy.

All Clubs including Sturt have the issues listed above, that's just part of junior sport.

^^^ Anon you are either one of the Sturt coaches or have no clue to what goes on and are guessing. There is plenty of bullshit going on and the committee hates Meseche with a passion but don't have the guts to terminate his contract due to a president who thinks he is doing an ok job.

^^ and there is the problem. If u dont know it's broken then how are you going to fix it??

AK-47, I can't see anything in The General's posts that suggest any inside knowledge at all. What are you trying to prove? Whatever it is you are drawing a pretty long bow.

Anyone who thinks Pritchard is coming back in to save the day is sadly mistaken. He was the start of this whole mess back when he took over the JCD role previously. He only cared about his own kids teams.

My mail is that the new committee won't allow him to continue to feather his own nest by buying ABA championships. But rather will be shown the door cause he backed the wrong horse, and has run the club dry.

You have way too much time jack,

I'd like to think Norwood has a plan with the calibre of coaches they have at the D1 level.
Trudy Ireland with the 12 girls. Wigzell with the 14 girls. Murphy 14 boys. Helder Borges 16 boys.
So 2 state country coaches, and a coach who has played basketball overseas.

I feel for kids at Norwood who have done the hard yards only to have kids continually recruited over them. See what changes will be happening in winter season. If it wasn't for their senior program where a lot of money is spent the output of juniors is abysmal for a club who professes to be top 3. A good team here and there occasionally but no system for continual improvement across the club.

^^^ Well if you feel for the kids at Norwood, how do you think the kids at Sturt feel?

Yes Sturt and Norwood are similar in one respect - you risk getting recruited over BUT once at Sturt you do get developed compared Norwood

All these peanuts that talk about recruiting. So, a kid is jacked off at their club. OK, so stop them from moving and let them go play another sport??? Get a grip.

Some clubs just don't do a good job and players/parents as they move through realize this. Normally it's the better kids that see a gap in the coaching they're getting in other programs (school/state/NITP etc) and in their club environment. 99% of the time parents/players make the approach first to move. If this is the case you can't really turn them away.

Not at STurt, it is 99% Meseche chasing and poaching the better kids to bring over.

Anonymous 807 - that coaching line-up is hardly striking fear into the hearts of opposition clubs.
Most clubs have a stronger line-up than that.
Also what about the age groups you left out. What about your Under 18 coaches. Last I checked you don't have any.

829, problem is that the kids are promised the world and then realise that it is not all roses and in the end they leave as well. Are you serious about 99% of the time. I guess I am the 1% so I can work out who the other 99% who approached others are.

Some kids leave strong stacked clubs from winning Div 3 teams as 1st years which shows strength in abilitys hoping for Div 1 gig as 2nd year and more than capable only to be used to prop up the 1st years that haven't developed well in Div 2. The Div 1's take on the superstar 1st years knocking out 2nd year opportunities to develop in a good all 2nd year team. Those Div 1 teams generally don't quite get there as the superstars mostly have not matured and developed a team attitude and up against smart 2nd year defence are taken out of the game. Sturt boys are strong because they rarely do this and keep most age/year groups together. Its not just about skill and potential but maturity and building a team that know each other and equals. Many teams that are successful start together and move up together and go interstate and have success. Clubs need to look at the formulas and see what is working on the whole. Sturt girls on the other hand do the same as most clubs fast tracking players only to miss the opportunity to develop the 1st years in Div 2 to make a winning Div 1 team as they mature together. Forestville is the anomaly as it somehow aquires a dispropotionate number of talls... Come on clubs change your formulas and the tally board will look substantially different. Only then can a Div 1 and other coaches have a team to work with who are all in the same page. Clubs please remember that the younger the superstar the less likely they will be mature enough to handle the team concept. If you make a nine year old feel like they are better than their team mates then you will get a player who plays that way. When schools fast track kids they have a long process of interviews to discuss issues with parents and the student. Perhaps this needs to happen in sport too. On the flip side you lose those potenti strong and maybe late developing 2nd years you pushed aside to other sports or emotionally knock their confidence.

Some kids leave strong stacked clubs from winning Div 3 teams as 1st years which shows strength in abilitys hoping for Div 1 gig as 2nd year and more than capable only to be used to prop up the 1st years that haven't developed well in Div 2. The Div 1's take on the superstar 1st years knocking out 2nd year opportunities to develop in a good all 2nd year team. Those Div 1 teams generally don't quite get there as the superstars mostly have not matured and developed a team attitude and up against smart 2nd year defence are taken out of the game. Sturt boys are strong because they rarely do this and keep most age/year groups together. Its not just about skill and potential but maturity and building a team that know each other and equals. Many teams that are successful start together and move up together and go interstate and have success. Clubs need to look at the formulas and see what is working on the whole. Sturt girls on the other hand do the same as most clubs fast tracking players only to miss the opportunity to develop the 1st years in Div 2 to make a winning Div 1 team as they mature together. Forestville is the anomaly as it somehow aquires a dispropotionate number of talls... Come on clubs change your formulas and the tally board will look substantially different. Only then can a Div 1 and other coaches have a team to work with who are all in the same page. Clubs please remember that the younger the superstar the less likely they will be mature enough to handle the team concept. If you make a nine year old feel like they are better than their team mates then you will get a player who plays that way. When schools fast track kids they have a long process of interviews to discuss issues with parents and the student. Perhaps this needs to happen in sport too. On the flip side you lose those potenti strong and maybe late developing 2nd years you pushed aside to other sports or emotionally knock their confidence.

That's your problem right there! Pick your best 8 players for div 1, next best for div 2 and so on, worked when I played and there wasn't much changing clubs back then!

Best player definiton is not always the one who can do the fancy tricks and skills and pop a few shots. Thats pretty much useless if they have no team concept and cannot stick to plays and as soon as good defensive pressure they turn it over. Thats poor Ball IQ. Most trainings have no decent pressure and its against the Div 2 weaker 1st years so hardly a measure of game time. Sturts high low help and split line defence breaks those players every time. For every shot made there are missed opportunites, lazy defence creating holes as always waiting for the fast break and glory goal and for my money I want some smart players who can create assists across the board and move the ball around. Best teams in U10 don't always equate to that in U16 either so ensuring you can develop some size is also important. Last years nationals displayed SA lack of size and I wonder if a different approach can rectify that over time.

^Anon I agree, also don't forget that quite a few players aged 10-11-12-13 who dominate this group may have already peaked in maturity, their bodies may be advanced to a stage where they can monster other kids, only to see the bean poles grow and tower over them by under 18 level.

Seen this many times, the junior team of early devlopers stop growing at 5'11" and then revert back to football, where many of them belong!

Wigzell gone after the winter season. There will be others that won't continue in the navy blue beyond this coming season. Poor state of affairs, North not far behind. Centrals the club of the north, it is hard to believe but true!

Once Norwood gets into gear they will comeback quickly! You watch, 3-4 yrs time Norwood will be back, with some better results starting sooner rather than later.

So 1 or 2 years back when Norwood were claiming to have all these great coaches coming into the junior program from SA Country, I was one who laughed because I knew of their track record and zero results. Fast becoming club hoppers who burn junior groups with short term recruiting and self ego inflating. Not to mention being clueless.

Political problems now at Norwood.)) With insight now Centrals are laughing and trying to forget.

Where will it be next??

trying to fast track success by brining in "state country coaches" who attract "state country players" does not work unless they commit to the club. Div 1 players need to train twice a week. It's ridiculous to promise kids Div 1 spots over kids that live close by. It only drives a wedge between players and creates an "us and them" at the club.

Agreed

Murphy has been at 4 clubs, Ireland 3-4? Dragging country kids from one club to the next and then burning the locally based players in the process. Bad fit, next club they lob at beware!

I'm not sure you could say that these country coaches did too much damage at Centrals. The girls program was basically non-existent before they got there. The club had a 1xgirls div 1 team that was getting belted each week, coached by a local Dad with virtually no basketball experience and 25 girls playing in the club in TOTAL! This represented no base to build on.

By turning a non-existent program into a program that had numbers, div 1 teams in every girls age group (for the first time in history - that's EVER) it provided competitive teams for the local girls to play in (some local girls were good enough to make div 1) and the chance for girls that were only capable of playing div 2 to play at that level, not filling in holes in div 1 like they had to previously. Not each everyone of their teams were not getting thumped by 60+ points each week, infact some teams started making finals and U14 Nationals. Previously, with no suitable, adequate, girls coaches locally, mostly parents, non-basketball people coaching girls teams it created momentum shift.

When you create teams able to compete in the competition, pathways by having div 1 teams competing you attract players and coaches both locally and from country areas.

Only problem was that they did not commit, moving to Norwood.

However, the benefits outweighed the negatives, with girls teams having winning seasons for the first time ever, actually getting teams in div 1 competitions, growth in numbers and some future Australian Camp reps actually moved down to the Gawler area from country areas as a result. This change in performance, growth, winning culture, improved coaches only makes it easier to attract and retain local girls.

It has been impressive that Centrals girls program has bounced back from the hit it took when the country girls/coaches moved on and continues to build. Well done!

You will find that this season there will be lots of new country girls added again. They are choosing Centrals because of the fact the club has div 1 teams and actual coaches. These same players would have drvien past the club 5 years ago.

019, you sound like you have inside knowledge on Centrals, were you a CD there?

Ireland coaching Immanuel College. Sturt only had her for 1 season before she moved to West.

You are talking about Hopgood. She played at Norwood.

Trudy Ireland is coach from York Peninsula.

Rumour going around is that two state U18 players are going to Norwood Another great development effort by the club. I wonder what happens to the players displaced by them especially as the team made the GF. I guess the development in Div 2 will bring them back better and stronger players for the future!!

From which club are these players? North Adelaide Rockets???

Why would they go there? They don't have a coach. Maybe ABL.youth league is selling point??

I've heard a rumour Mavs U18 Boys have folded.

So what is coming through in the lower age groups?

What happened to the super team of U14's coming through - where are the U16's Div 1's?

Yes at this level you mention it looks all glossy and fine but underneath that paint is a collpasing infrastructure!!

its ok, the ABA women are spending all your money again, you can bask in their glory

Oh my god people.

Why bother with the sniping and hate?

Do you feel better about your Club, your life because you can say negative things about someone else.

What an embarrassment you are and I hope your not a member of my club as I certainly wouldn't like someone so insecure and weak to be involved in the club I am.

This whole thread is an indictment on basketball in this state and how horrible it is.

I think the problems at Norwood have not happened overnight. They've been progressively occurring over the past 7 or 8 yrs. The loss of Jenny Clarke roughly coincided when the problems started and the club has dug itself a progressively deeper hole since then.

Im not convinced the loss of the u18 coach caused the problems. He was actually a part of the problems. Im pretty sure with cooper on board, a new president and soon to be new coaching director it will be turned around in a very short space of time.

Fully agree 462439 - this is a really sad thread... Some people just really get off on rumours, speculation, hate and dragging down everyone around them. ... Who really cares.... Just play ball peoples...

"u18 coach caused the problems. He was actually a part of the problems. Im pretty sure with cooper on board"

What rubbish - I think you've got it back to front! At least one of the people mentioned cared about his players workloads... pity he's no longer there.
Norwoods significant loss will be another clubs gain.

But they have the ARC - surely this and their professional development of competitions outside of district basketball is counter intuitive to what anon above is saying

ARC is the most expensive court hour they have. Costing money whenever they use it.

And sorry,but only 2 out of the 5 courts are regulation size.

Leisure centres are bloody expensive if privatwly run for councils. Marion Leisure Centre old as they come was council run and charged $33 an hour for a basketball court. YMCA came in and now almost double the cost for same thing so can't imagine cost to ARC users such as Norwood. Pasadena the same, pay BSA who pay Education Department so cheaper to hire externally. Coats to clubs that are non BSA owned are huge.