Dean Parker, Ervin and Wright should all be charged with bringing the game in to disrepute too.

Tit for Tat.

Clearly Joey was provoked and it seems pretty clear who did that.
Joey's reaction is inexcusable how ever the charges come from the provocation clearly. The guy cuts up video tape what was he even on the floor for.

The game in disrepute? The game was on the front cover of the Sunday Mail and the news for the first time in what 15 years?

Disrepute my ass...

So Tat's provocation forced Joey to push a development player twice? Ok...

Going to laugh if this gets tossed out on its ear as well...

He'll get a fine at most. Joey will be found not guilty as well.

I'd be curious to hear Joey's side of what drove him into berserker mode.

All I could hear him yell was "Don't you ever touch me".

Still, he shoved a few people. Who cares.

Wonder if that sort of thing happens at training? Someone bumps into the coach and he chases them from one end of the court to the other.

Good for sprint work, I'd assume.

Greg Hire should be charged with disrespecting Adelaide.

Gary Ervin's performance from that game should also be charged with disrespecting Adelaide.

JOey's been charged. Tat should never have been there is the first place.

Joey was charged for striking, not for bringing the game in to disrepute or abusive language, which he should be (if comparing his behaviour to what Tat allegedly did).

Hey Barry,

1) Why exactly should Tat have not been on his own court?
2) He is not the video coach (that was last season; Adam Forde is the video coach now) he is now 2nd assistant coach aka the development coach. How is it surprising then that he is standing with Damian Scott, Louis Timms and Michael Vigor?

Can the NBL hurry up and conclude its investigation already? Its nearly been a week now and its still going on. I can understand if the league want to milk this for as long as possible given the headlines its created, but if this investigation drags into a second week, it will start to lose some credibility and its not fair on either team, who Im sure will want to receive their fines and move on.

Its been great for not only publicity, but to show that the league has some genuine passion, however it also exposes the NBL for being an organisation that can't wrap things up in a timely manner.

By comparison, this happens in the AFL every weekend, and is finalised by Tuesday during the tribunal.

Wildcats fans are lashing out again...

I know the Anons around here can come up with some dumb stuff but that just takes the cake.

"Clearly Perth have so much money they need to employ a sepo rather than an Aussie."

Yeah it's sad isn't it.
Get Ennis & Beal on the next flight home I say!

"Wildcats fans are lashing out again..."

Are we? At what?

"Clearly Perth have so much money they need to employ a sepo rather than an Aussie."

Where is Joey from?

So now Adelaide fans have resorted to racist jibes...classy

*sepos

Thankfully no one has employed a South Australian because from what I've seen and read in the past few days, they all seem to be a few cans short.

@8474,

You're being facetious, right? Right?

I'm surprised people aren't sulking, sooking or whinging about Hire taking 3 pointer

Situation, why do you have to lower yourself to such ridiculous comments. You really know nothing about anyone on this site. Basketball fans come from many walks of life. Surgeons, Lawyers, Garbage Collectors, Fire Fighters and Domestic Gods and ,Godesses, Men Women, Children and Granparents. They call it how they see it from their perspective.. Keep it to the basketball and your view of the court. Every team has a potential Boomer and we will all be behind them, will you.... with your fellow Australians.... Your generalizations reflect back on you, and the others who can't leave it alone and join in getting off topic...

"I'm surprised people aren't sulking, sooking or whinging about Hire taking 3 pointer"

Give it time, Steven.
First, after Adelaide's dobbing in of Tatalovich, Tatalovic has to counter-dob on Gary Ervin, then at his tribunal hearing he will counter-counter dob on Hire, and then FINALLY justice can be served by Greg Hire, the despicable instigator of this whole mess, finally copping his due punishment!

Greg Hire will pay for wasting his vertical on those stubby little non-dunking t-rex arms!

i loved the whole basketbrawl...absolutely loved it !!

I haven't seen this much passion in the NBL for years and years. It's awesome :-)

ShaneD

Dunkin' Dan I think you missed a directive here. Coaches can only dob on coaches, GMs on GMs and players on players.

Therefore by not reporting Marvin they avoided Parker being dobbed in.

By dismissing Ennis' charge they avoided him dobbing in Ervin who would then dob in Hire.

:)

Why would Hire shooting the 3 even be an issue? It's not like he carried on after he made it. It was a legitimate open shot that he took. Most games that have blown out this season have teams taking those shots all the time.

Who was it then?

"Tatalovich was charged on Wednesday with bringing the game into disrepute and for misconduct after the 36ers lodged a formal complaint with supportive evidence."

So Boti got it wrong, #523, or are you just making stuff up?

------------------------------------------------

The NBL released the following on Wednesday afternoon:



The NBL has issued two new charges stemming from the post-match altercation between the Perth Wildcats and Adelaide 36ers game on Friday night.

Perth Wildcats Assistant Coach Adam Tatalovich has been charged with:

- Bringing the Game Into Disrepute
- Misconduct

These charges relate to alleged physical contact and abusive language directed at Adelaide Coach Joey Wright.

They follow an official complaint lodged with the NBL by the Adelaide 36ers. Additional evidence has emerged to support the charges.

Both charges will be heard later this week. A date and time is yet to be set.
The striking charge against Joey Wright will be heard on Friday afternoon.
-------------------------------------------------------

Sounds pretty clear cut that it came from Adelaide

Anonymous posters might as well be Sixers GM's because neither of them have any credibility.

Joey should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. Most likely he's going to get off the striking charge so will therefore have no punishment. Is it really acceptable that no-one (Tat excluded here because as an assistant coach he doesn't really count) is punished after that whole incident and that the league deems that as acceptable behaviour?

Bingo!

Not just Boti, but Last night's TV news as well:

Channel 10: "After more complaints by the 36ers, Cats assistant Adam Tatalovich has been charged.."

Channel 7: "After a complaint from Adelaide, Cats assistant coach Adam Tatalovich has been charged..."

Can hardly blame "Perth fans" for thinking that's how it came about, when that is exactly the way all the news outlets are reporting it.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/basketball/perth-wildcats-coach-trevor-gleeson-labels-nbls-charging-of-assistant-coach-comical/story-fnhq5y0s-1226832764790

Reality 1 - Anon -3

No, that is completely untrue.

Hmm Tatalovich is a tool and Wright is a hot-head.

Bad combination in a situation like this one was.

Still - as people have pointed out - NBL is in the news a lot for once, and imagine the next game against the Wildcats and Sixers on 14th March - woah mumma :-)

ShaneD

Is that the same Boti who refuses to acknowledge that a "disrepute" charge should also apply to Wright, or that Ervin should also be charged for instigation/provocation, as he is so keen to drop Tat in the shit for?

Well I would certainly deny that the Wildcats had any involvement in "mallee", or anywhere else in north-western Victoria for that matter.

We may have had something to do with a melee a couple thousand km's away, however.

"Wildcats fans are rushing to exonerate an obviously much-loved assistant who most couldn't name before Friday’s shemozzle."

Maybe not you, Boti, but plenty in Perth were well aware of Adam and his NBA background.
Don't forget we still care about our basketball in Perth.
I don't see Wildcats fans rushing to exonerate him either. FWIW I definitely think he is guilty of removing an opposing coach's hands from one of his players and should be punished accordingly.

Nope, most Perth fans including the prominent ones in this thread have said from the start that Ervin instigated the intial conflict, Ennis accelerated it into a physical melee, Joey restarted it twice.

To break it down for the simple anons:

- Ervin said something to Hire
- Ennis overreacted after Gleeson had already moved Hire away from Ervin
- All coaches + Damian Martin managed to seperate the players
- Joey touches a Wildcats development player (who is just standing there) and says "Stay Back"
- Tatalovich overreacts by pushing Joey's hand away and tells him to "f*** off"
- Joey overreacts and push/punches Tatalovich and then pushes Wildcats development players when they move in front of Tatalovich
- Joey is forcibly restrained by BJ Anthony who accidently knocks his glasses off
- Tatalovich continues chatting
- Joey can be heard on the broadcast yelling "that's f****** wrong" over and over again (Despite what Ben Fitz will have you believe according to a recent tweet). He then proceeds to go after Tatalovich again but is blocked by the mass of players.

"- Joey can be heard on the broadcast yelling "that's f****** wrong"

You sure?
All I can make out is him shouting "Don't you EVER push me!" over and over
(or words similar to that. Might have been don't you ever touch me)

1:04-1:11 on this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3VjtaQ339k

I was wrong that he repeated the phrase above:
- something about being a f****** man
- "that's b******" X 3
- "That's f****** wrong"

That doesn't sound like Joey's voice to me. Sounds like someone else.

You have mistaken Gary for Joey.

Yeah I'm guessing Gary as well. Top of screen doing his best Patty Mills impression with a towel, near another cameraman and therefore another mic.

Oh that's embarassing; sorry guys :(

You have let us all down, Silencer. Like the Russian hockey team to Vladimir Putin, you have let us all down ):

hehehe I just worked out who you are elsewhere online Nathan of Perth :)

Anonymous, grow a set of balls and put your name up. Otherwise FUCK OFF

Yeah I agree. You're making people teste

This is really poor form by the NBL dragging this issue on for so long. Even the AFL can resolve an all in involving 44 players plus trainers and runners etc on the Tuesday following the weekends game.

This particular melee was nothing more than a bit of push and shove. No jumper punches and no players on the ground wrestling and no torn jerseys etc etc. bloody grow up NBL!!!!

Really poor by the NBL yet again, just shows how unprofessional the NBL really. How can you conduct an investigation, then charge 2 guys, then a few days later, drop a charge, then 2 days later charge another bloke. Why hasnt this been finalise.

Really poor by the NBL yet again, just shows how unprofessional the NBL really. How can you conduct an investigation, then charge 2 guys, then a few days later, drop a charge, then 2 days later charge another bloke. Why hasnt this been finalise.

Pressed enter too early. What the NBL should have done is. Review tape over weekend, issue charges by 12 noon, have teams 24 hours to response. Hear charges Wednesday morning, then issue fines or penalities. What are they going to do, wait until the finals and then say Joey suspended for 1 week. A joke.

^^ It would have been finalised if it weren't for adelaide pressuring the NBL into laying more charges against tatalovic. Its a joke that the NBL have shown no balls whatsoever and have laid new charges five days after the incident. Maybe Joey went beserk on the NBL too and they shat themselves!

Why does it matter that the 36ers lodged the formal complaint? They should have, the Cats assistant should definitely be subject to the tribunal, just as Joey Wright is.

Neither club has a moral high ground in this fight, both acted pretty badly and both escalated the fight.

Some of the red & black tinted comments, including "Dean Parker, Ervin and Wright should all be charged with bringing the game in to disrepute too." are ridiculous. Dean Parker? Really? Come on, son.

"Thankfully no one has employed a South Australian because from what I've seen and read in the past few days, they all seem to be a few cans short."

Honestly, don't ruin any credibility you might have saying stuff like that. Really not the most intelligent statement you've come up with.

Pathetic spiteful comments and people believing their club has some imaginary moral high ground is hilarious. Perth's CEO shouldn't have posted ala Dan Gilbertesque, Adelaide's Head Coach shouldn't have gone psycho, Perth's Assistant Coach shouldn't have gone psycho himself, Ervin, Creek and Ennis shouldn't have lost their tempers.... Both clubs acted equally as atrociously.

Anonymous, seriously, who cares what nationality the Assistant coach is

Its interesting too that it would appear that no referee reported anyone after the "incident." Would that be a true statement?
If so wither incompentency or they deemed nothing in it. I would have thought the former.

KET.......THANK YOU for speaking sense. Its about time someone did on this issue.

The way most Wildcats fans have come across about this issue has been a little hard to take. Its almost like they've tried to paint a picture which shows the alter boy `Cats all kneeling in prayer in the centre of the court after the game thanking God (Marvin?) for their existence and their overwhelming basketball ability which would leave the likes of even the Miami Heat chasing their own tails. Meanwhile those dastardly devils from Adelaide led by their coach Joey Wright and GM Dean Parker have gone psycho, killing everyone in sight not wearing a 36ers shirt.

Ok, ok, that is a very big exaggeration of the truth. But my point is that the Wildcats are just as guilty for what we saw after the game last Friday night as the 36ers were.

Good post KET.

Actually according to Boti the hearing for Joey was delayed until Friday (today) at Adelaide's request so that Lemanis would be back to be on the panel.

I am not sure why or how that works considering Lemanis is employed by Basketball Australia and not the NBL now.

HoldenV8, you thank KET for making sense, then blame Wildcats fans for their stupidity (have you not seen the number of people questioning Tat's nationality, o anonymous posters making stuff up?) while saying the Cats are just as guilty. They're not. I know what role the Cats played on Friday and have happily admitted who was wrong but the point is, and this has been made REPEATEDLY, is that only one person has been charged with bringing the game into disrepute, and that wasn't the dick who kicked the whole thing off or ran around the court loudly swearing, nor was it the guy who carried on like a complete moron after being touched and sworn at.

I am yet to hear one person give an explanation as to why only one person faces that charge.

KET. my comments about Dean Parker have been facetious responses to people's suggestions that Nick Marvin should be charged as well. Parker was just as active on Twitter on Friday night and the next day and he had his own stupid comments to make, so its not as if took the high road.

^ Didn't read, just an anon.

It was late in the evening when there vame a knock upon the door."Who is it?" Bruce asked. "It's me Bruce." said Joey."and I'd like a word with you."................." Where's the betterhalf Bruce?" Joey asked as he entered the room. "Aw, she's out the back flaming it up with Jarrid. Now, what's on your mind today?" "Well," Joey began." I wondered what to say on Friday and I understand that you're the key." "That's right! I am!! Now, you've been around the league forever and you've boxed all that time, while the racist has been here only one season and if you had punched him he would have gone down." Joey: "fine. That will be all." Just then Bruce's wife, Angela entered the room. " Get out! you Frye hater. Come here no more." Joey left willingly....................

o.0

Just a minor point.....Tatalovich wouldn't be facing any charges if the NBL didn't agree with the 36ers complaints on some level. Its just pathetic that it took complaints from the 36ers for that to happen. If he was going to be charged he should have been charged when Ennis and Wright were.

My own personal feelings on this whole BS is that the NBL should have handed out a few warnings and possibly a few fines to both teams, then just got on with the season. And it should have been over with by Wednesday. The fact that its a week later and this is still going on is unprofessional from the NBL to say the least.

"Tatalovich wouldn't be facing any charges if the NBL didn't agree with the 36ers complaints on some level."

Why would you presume this to be the case?


Agree that in hindsight, a series of modest fines and a general warning to don't be that dumb again to both teams, handed out in the space of the weekend, would have been the way to go about it. After all, despite talk of striking this or provocation done, the whole thing was surely a massive case of no harm done, no need to stress.

A. Because if the NBL didnt agree they wouldnt have gone forward with the charges

36ers had evidence provided to them that wasnt previously available and so they presented this to the NBL.

On the back of this the NBL issued the charges.

Not really, if a club goes to the trouble of lodging an official complaint it would have to be utterly spurious prima facie to not take the matter to a tribunal, and making that call would be politically awkward for them. They would progress through with the charge whether they agree or not, nothing can be derived from the fact charges have been pressed in this instance.

I want to know what this extra evidence is. Is it more evidence of the things that Joey stated to have happened (pushed in the chest, sworn at) or do they mean that the story of what happened has changed?

Camel, are you high?

Out of all the molehills being converted into mountains, Marvin tweeting that picture is by far the biggest differential between actual incident and the absurdity of response. There is absolutely nothing there, folks.

Except for a picture that in its singularity is out of context

"Marvin should be up. Posting that picture was a disgrace as it inflamed the situation. Perth fans need to man up about it."

Inflamed? How?

Considering Adelaide (fans or team) are not manning up and taking responsibility for what Wright or Ervin did, not sure why you expect such standards from Perth.

In my experience, there are very few times when the phrase "out of context" is not employed in a weaselly fashion.

It was firmly rooted in the context of a confrontation between Wright and Tatalovich. There's a lot you could say about the little sliver of time presented in the photo, but I don't see how you can claim it was out of context when everyone had access to the footage to compare it against.

The issue I saw with the picture was not the fact that it was posted but that Marvin indicated that it proved the "his" assistant coach didn't start anything.

It didn't prove that; it did prove that Joey wasn't the saint that some SA commentators on twitter were suggesting.

I've already said that he shouldn't have posted the pic, but I can see why he did it.

Go and check Chris Goulding's twitter from the incident, where he posted "just a coincidence huh?" ie blaming Perth for the entire incident. Have a look who retweeted it. The role of a CEO is not to apportion blame for an incident which he knew nothing about, particularly as he was dead wrong. So thats why Nick posted the pic - because your dickhead CEO blamed the Cats first.

Actually Goulding was blaming Ennis for instigating.

Whatever the case, Parker retweeted it. I'd say he provoked Marvin in to responding.

Yes, just nitpicking before a 36er fan does :)

Oh and Joey retweeted inflammatory comments as well so I really don't think anyone should be getting on a high horse over Marvin's tweet.

Marvin is always professional provided he gets his way.

"Its interesting too that it would appear that no referee reported anyone after the "incident." Would that be a true statement?
If so wither incompentency or they deemed nothing in it. I would have thought the former."
Pretty sure they were down the tunnel already at the time, and having not seen anything couldn't possibly have made any reports.

"He is the CEO, that is whats wrong. The role of a CEO is not to post a picture of a reported incident on Twitter."

So the non-posting of pictures is now the purpose of a CEO, well that just widened the available pool of applicants if we ever need to replace Marvin.

Not running the organisation and managing its public image and fortunes or anything like that. I mean, that would be unprofessional, right?

Right?

I mean he's just like a cop, he has to be impartial about the situ-WAIT JUST A MINUTE YOU TRICKY ANON. That isn't what his role is at all!

Referees are supposed to stay on the court until everyone has left the arena. Generally they run away as soon as the game is concluded to avoid a confrontation after the game has concluded, usually based on their poor efforts. This is another example of where they keep on failing that Cooper fails to address.

The refs at Perth usually leave straight away to a standing ovation from the crowd...

"The NBL has deferred Joey Wright's hearing to a later date. Due to unanticipated work commitments & overseas absence of panel members"

I've suspected for years that Camel is a stoner.

Yay, that means we can continue to analyse for days to come! /sarcasm

Seriously though now the cases will be heard over a week after the intial incident and both clubs will have played another game or games.

Now THAT is unprofessional!

Can't believe the NBL hasn't settled the matter yet. Amateurs.

Ludicrous situation.

Yep. Its a joke alright.

Thought the "fight" was great for the league when it happened. The buzz around the league in mainstream news was as high as its ever been.

But now I'm really over it - and Im sure every one else is too. Its now making the league look amateur that they haven't sorted it out by now.

yawn...

there is a lot of sand in lots of vagina's on here at the moment...

Wake me when a real issue develops.