Bulleen Youth were beating Sth Pen D1 men by 16 at 3 quarter time.

What was the end score Happy Days?

ringwood vyc beat coburg Yl2 by 50ish

Dont know they stopped posting them at 3q time.

Sorry, thought you might have attended the game given your love for Southern Pen

Didnt know it was on....Must of been top secret!!!

So because Happy Days didn't know, it must of been top secret! HOLY SHIT!! HAPPY DAYS DIDNT KNOW SOMETHING!! What is the world coming to. NOOOOOO

I use to like you Happy Days, but you have changed.....Your lack of knowledge is a turnoff.

Any games on next weekend that we know of?

Sorry to disappoint....i have a few other slightly more important things to do with my time than watch a D1 team get beaten by a youth team.

Ouch! But true....

Knox YL beat Sherbrooke YL in OT.

On a total side note, Eric Williams will not be back at Corio Bay. They have signed 2 imports. A point guard and a small forward.

Only a practice match, wouldn't be to concerned. All about getting some match fitness.Get the import in and see how they go.

Practice matches are just that--Practice... While you ideally want to win every game you play it`s about finding out what your secondary guys can provide during the year.

Most coaches will know what there 1-6 guys are going to give them.


Add to that Preseason is filled with similar results every year with youth sides doing this. Different style of game.

hahahahaha annon, your comments regarding Luke just go to prove you have no idea what so ever about basketball.

Did Southern Penn have their full team? If it's their first game I would not be
to worried. Takes time for guys to jell a little but in saying that the season
is only 6ish weeks away

Ashke that comment was made by me, forgot to sign in. Comment was made tongue in cheek, not sure how Luke himself was tested without taking the floor. First game in charge of a new group with new systems in place. Im sure they will do fine. With out Davey and import for the game were they not.

Or should we just start a whole new Bash Sunderland and bogut academy thread?

Corio Bay should make an announcement shortly on there new imports?

Promote your club, brand awareness, sponsorships, memberships....

This will please Happy Days. Corio Bay announce one of their imports, The Rock!

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-7333-0-0-0&sID=143617&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=28095433

New import for Corio Bay:
http://iballuni.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/duane-johnson-signs-first-pro-contract-to-play-in-australia/

Excuse my ignorance but never heard of him:

The Stingrays clearly value their big-man stocks and to ensure they develop the club signed legendary former Australian Boomer centre and CBBA Life Member Russell Riches as assistant coach in 2014

When did he play for the Boomers?

He played in Lindsay Gazes era

Cheers MB. Bit before my time and probably yours.

Why would Osborne play for a Melbourne
Club and not Corio?

Because Osborne likes to be a big fish in a small pond.

Camberwell Men team named on the BigV website. You'd think Graeme Anstey would do pretty well at Div1 level even though coming out of retirement.

I don't really know any of the other guys. Can't imagine they'd make finals with that roster.

Still Sunbury, Chelsea and Mildura who seem like the favourites with Blackburn as the smokey

Wow, that isn't a good result for Sunbury! Lucky practice matches don't mean much. I did leave out Geelong as a favourite, Goodgame and Loader will be massive for them

Wouldn't be reading too much into the Sunbury vs Keilor game. The Sunbury Men did a tough 1 hr Personal Training group session before the game in 40 degree heat, were missing 2 starters through injury, 12 players rotated evenly and the game was played 4x10min qtrs no clock stopping so effectively half a normal game. But in saying that full credit to the Keilor boys, they were very good.

Is there any games this weekend?

wow, interesting how not many teams are playing practice games Vs teams from their own division. Whats the pro's to this? I would imagine its just simply to "mix things up" for the team?

You play teams from other divisions so you don't have to hide anything like new players, offensive sets, defensive systems, etc.

That will be a tough game for the Keysborough
YL team. But they will learn something.

Them and Coburg would be front runners.

The idea of most teams playing teams
Which are not in their league is great.

Great viewing

VYCM - ringwood vs sherbrooke on sunday

Melbourne Boy, really? Like the 1st 3 minutes of a game wont expose that anyway..... But each to their own i guess.

Anon #45661 - that's just a dumb statement. You have no idea why Stefan has moved and maybe you'd understand if you knew anything about NCAA requirements for eligibility.

I think its more of a case as to who is available. Ringwood playing SEABL Geelong and Frankston this weekend.

Ashke, the saying goes "If you fail to plan you're planning to fail"

How can you possibly determine a players strengths and weaknesses that quickly? If the game program says a guys 6'8, hey better but a big guy on him! what if he's a 3pt shooter and has already nailed some before you know it. Also how do you determine your match ups and where in the offense the main players are getting their points? How will you play a guy on an on-ball screen? Who will you sag and help off? the list goes on.

From a team perspective why give anyone a free scout on what you're doing? Most times teams play Practice matches within their own division they just play basic man to man and don't use many sets, against another division you are free to practice whatever.

I guess you're right though, each to their own.

The 7 Ps is a British Army adage for Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

Goodgame playing for Geelong
Hutchison playing for Corio Bay

#456813

Mt Gambier playing BigV? I thought that was only Brisbane and Knox.

Quoting Urban Dictionary....

Sarcasm

A tongue of which the user speaks of something the complete opposite of what the user means. It often has the best comedic value.

Bulleen men played Nunawading Seabl team and lost by 8 last night

Fair enough Melbourne Boy, just think its a bit over the top really but each to their own i guess.

Seems like too much worrying about others than worrying about yourself. Wouldn't you want to play teams within your competition so you know what your up against as much as getting through your stuff? What's the point of being able to execute offense perfectly against a lesser team? As for worrying about people knowing what your running, well they are going to get a good understanding sooner or later AND if your systems are good enough it shouldn't matter what others know about it

Who says you play lesser teams? you play teams in divisions above as well.
And no matter how good your systems are on both ends of the floor they'll work better if your opponent hasn't seen them.
And knowing what you're up against is all about scouting, so the coaches who are prepared to do the extra work see the rewards, yes they'll eventualy know if you play them a second time, but alot of teams you play only once per season in certain divisions as well.

Sometimes you play whose available, like the Bulleen YM v Keysborough. Both has other things worked out, they fell through and now playing each other cause they're both free and had planned to do something that night..
Sometimes you want to see where your place, what your group does against other defensive systems and, finally, you can only play internally for so long.

Anyway, after week one can't everyone get copies of the game tapes? Makes hiding things irrelevant.

So if your playing a team I'm a division above, there is then a team playing a lesser team right?

Id say good coaching is having systems that allow you to still win even if the other team know what your running.

The AFL don't run pre season tournaments against VFL do they? They run it against teams they are actually going to compete against in the normal season. The NBL run pre season practice matches with NBL v NBL not NBL v SEABL Because when it comes down to it, they need to practice against teams they will play against.

Maybe you're on to something Chook, you should call Greg Popovich because he has arguably the best systems over the last decade, tell him he should sack his 15 or so employees in the opposition scouting department because their systems just do the job, thats coaching!

Plus there's a fairly big gap between AFL and VFL, and NBL and SEABL to play against each other, alot more than within Big V divisions.

And yes Big V isn't remotely close to the NBA as in my first example here, but it's all relative, state leagues still have players who shoot well from the corner, guys who can't shoot outside 10 feet and guys who couldn't defend a perimiter player to save themselves, I guess if you coached a team you'd just wing it hey?

Do you have Pops number? I'd love to give him a call and discuss all of this. That would be sensational.

Gaps or not, there is still a plausible reason to play practice matches against the opposition you will face in the season.

I wouldn't wing it but I would definitely want to know where my team is at by playing practice matches against other teams within my division if possible. (As a few have mentioned, sometimes it doesn't work that easily)

I reckon a good scout could tell you before a game without even seeing a team play who is going to shoot the 3s and who won't shoot outside the paint, as for the defensive side of things, why wouldn't you test every player out on every night?

A lot comes down to who is available at that time. We have the game planned against Bulleen this Saturday, yes by league status we are ranked two leagues below them. For my guys it`s a fantastic opportunity and I am greatfull that Mike has given my boys the opportunity to compete against a side in a higher division.

Its a great test for our boys to be tested against higher competition. Should we come away with a victory I will not jump up and down and expect to be elevated to State youth cham, the BIG V is a long season where many factors inlfluence ladder positions and eventual champions, at the end of the day these are practice matches. A chance to run things and try out new concepts without the worry of the reslut at the end effected your chances of making finals.

The past three games against Youth 1 or sides in our divison have resulted in 20, 30 and 40 point wins meaning we got nothing out of it except for giving new guys a run.

There are some coaches that are protective of what they run heading into the season and if that is the way they choose to go about things then so be it, it`s there team not yours!

There is merit to not playing teams in your own Conference. But only at the elite level. I think form and development is the difference from the first 3 months of the season to the last three months. So In Div-1 down I don't think it makes much difference. just get games in whenever you can because it helps you find form sooner which equates to more wins early. If you are worried about the scouting aspect then don't run your entire arsenal at them. Teams rarely stay the same from beginning to end. A div 1 team probably wont look the same as the Spurs even if they are running the same offense. Players make systems..systems don't make players.

Well Said!!

You make some good points michael, but i have to disagree with it making no difference below elite.

I guess if i happened to coach a Div 1 team with mostly new players and new systems, i'd rather have practice matches against SCM and Div 2 teams so that at least for the start of the season my opponents won't have seen anything, surely you'd agree there is some advantage to doing that?

Seriously it should not matter. Everybody who knows anything about basketball/NBL knows what the Melbourne Tigers run and yet struggle to stop it. If you run your stuff well it wont matter

And imagine if a team played the Tigers back then and didn't know what they were going to run, Gaze and co. would have picked them to pieces.

There's always the higher risk of injury when the two sides are not of the same standard. But games are games and any you can play are good.

Were Keysborough and Chelsea
Both at Full strength ?

And Keysborough had all their players?

Good hit out for both teams is suggest

A division team should never lose games to a youth side.
#concerning

Decent Youth Champ teams would beat Div 2 teams, and only the top couple of Youth Champ teams would be competitive in Div 1, the bottom half of Youth Champ would struggle to win a game against both.

youth champ teams would beat any d2 team and the best youth teams would beat most d1 teams and even some scm teams.

twist the bottom 6 Youth Champ teams last year were young and terrible, Div 2 teams would smash them.
The majority of good Youth Champ teams would struggle with size, experience and imports vs the higher divisions.

The top 4 Youth champ sides would win Div 2, make finals in Div 1 and come last in SCM.

yeah you're probably right ^. I don't think theyd come last in scm though maybe 3rd or 2nd last, they could beat melb and sherbrooke.

Speaking to one of the Sherbrooke players from their SCM team he is not at all confident that they will be able to get a win against Pakenham D2M this weekend.

Im tipping a close one.

Is there any other being played this weekend??

I see the McKinnon SCM playing Southern Penn D1M and the Vic Metro u18 boys

Sth Pen playing Frankston youth 2pm Sunday week (23rd)

Happy Days is back!!!!!!

Im always there...depends how busy i am with work.

Bit of a shock to see Pakenham go down 70-49 I think it was in the end!

Was not expecting that at all. That's a great result for Keysborough
might have to get down to the Cougar Cup and have a glimpse.

I heard Sunbury beat Keysborough by 40 today.

Sounds like Keysie D2m are real bad this year.Saw Sunbury lose to Keilor and they hardly looked astonishing.

Looking at some of the results Ringwood SCM will be very very good.

How did Melton D1M and Weribbee SCM go?

A few people are a little off in their information. Which tends to be the norm around here.

Sunbury did not beat Keysy by 40. They played their own YL after Keysy pulled out due to player availability. I wouldn't have a clue if game is being rescheduled or not.

After the Pakenham result on the weekend lets hope the local Pakenham rag gets off their tip. I'm sick of reading about how all their players are guns and going to take over the world and Coach Rogers has them all motivated etc.

Fact, Rogers can't coach and the if the Pakenham players were any good they would be in higher divisions.

Men in Geelong on the weekend:
Frankston SEABL defeated Geelong SEABL by 10+
Geelong SEABL lost to Ballarat SEABL by 4
Ringwood SCM defeated Frankston SEABL by 10+
Geelong SEABL defeated Ringwood SCM by 6
Great event ran by Geelong - well done.

Jetset, did all SEABL teams have imports? Ringwood could surprise a few SCM. Nice import combo.

Why would Ringwood 'suprise' anyone this season?
They would have to be favourites after Bullen no?
Lose Sam Belt, bring in Latham and a new 2nd import to go with the runner up team from 2013?

I wasnt suprised about Ringwood but some our learned colleagues on here were happy to write them off. I think they are a top 2 team.Second import has slotted right in.

Whilst the imports that Ringwood have will be effective, they are an example of what poor junior development we provide here.
Both are small combo guards who can shoot it really well, they shouldn't need to be imports, we should be producing those kind of players at a dime a dozen.

Imports should be have skill packages and size well beyond these kinds of players but because we fail to develop them they are imported. These are basic D2/3 college guards and there are thousands of them in the US coming out each year. Each team used to have a couple of back up guards off the bench like these guys.

Couldn't agree more Jetset, though I don't think Ringwood is alone in this case.

Having no direct relation to anyone or anything at Ringwood Basketball it is pretty poor for a club their size with their success at BIGV level to be so poor in VJBL. No teams really every compete in VC even their 1st teams. Just a little strange

Ringwood are a perfect case that if you're prepared to spend a little money on players you can build a strong roster, if it's in their budget it's perfectly ok. Usually it depends on how much money they make from other things at the stadium outside of Ringwood VJBL.

I gather when you say recruiting under 12's and 14's you mean internally rather than from other associations??? I think the problem is everybody wants a quick fix and there isn't one.Invest in your juniors now and you'll reap the rewards in the next 5 to 10 years no different to football clubs.